Wholesale Deal Structuring

Wholesale Deal Structuring

Wholesaler · Knoxville, TN · Member since 2016 · 247 posts · 76 votes

Hello BP Investors,

I have a straightforward question - unless you somehow are able to make it complicated.

How do you structure your wholesale deals? With the seller and with the buyer?

Example - the seller:

How long to you make the assignment contract good for before you and/or the seller can walk away? 30 days, 90? Do you generally pay earnest money or a deposit? Do you use a one page contract or several?

Example - the buyer:

Do you ask for proof of ability to buy? Approval letters or lender's contact information so you can call them and prove they're real? Earnest money from them?

I just finished watching Phil's video on Freedom Mentor about 'Controlling the Buyer' and it has my brain asking a million questions.

As a newbie, do you suggest I write the pieces of how I plan to structure my deals down, like a checklist? I think I should. I know me and I'll get so excited I'll take verbal agreements on every aspect and find myself standing alone at the title company come closing time.

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Rental Property Investor · Claremont, CA · Member since 2015 · 292 posts · 374 votes
9y

I've listened to nearly all of the podcasts (coming up on 200) and consistently there are people on there that wholesale.  Certainly there are plenty of noobies that try to wholesale and end up "playing games" but perhaps it's not always intentional.  @Benjamin Barredo is on here asking so that he can do it THE RIGHT WAY.  To come back with an answer of "don't wholesale, just buy and hold" would seem to dismiss a portion of the BP population who are legitimately interested in helping people that have no other alternative but to sell their home quickly to investors via a wholesaler.  While I agree with you, buy and hold is the way to go, you can't deny that wholesaling can be a means to FUND those buy and holds.  I am curious to get your thoughts on my reply @John Thedford?  

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  • Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2016 · 40 posts · 24 votes
    9y

    @Benjamin Barredo

    I am going to keep it very simple: First, prepare a list of potential investors, unless you have money to fund the project. See what areas do those potential investors purchase properties, what kind of properties, range etc etc.

    Then, look for properties in the areas your potential buyer's invest. Find a deal, run the comps from a flippers perspective, not as a wholesaler. See how you can make money from that deal as a flipper. Take a rehab guy with you on the property before signing a contract with the seller. Have a written estimate ready from the rehab professional before you offer a price to the seller. 

    Now you know all the numbers and if it makes sense from an investor's perspective at the price you want to sell, then go ahead and sign a sale & purchase agreement with the seller. BP has some of them for you to look at them. Go find them and modify as per your need. Do not over complicate the sale & purchase agreement. Keep it simple.

    Now have a professional presentation ready with details on the property including the rehab estimate made by the professional and present it to your investor. Now use your sales skills and show him why it would be a great investment and back it up with your numbers.

    If your numbers were right, the investor will certainly jump on the deal. Always, make sure it is a great deal for your investor. Closing in 30 days should not be a problem for a serious investor. Ask for a non-refundable deposit in escrow within 24 hours of signing the purchase agreement from the investor.

    To answer some general questions you asked:

    1. You do not require a proof of funds from seasoned investors. That's why you make a list and talk to them to see if they would want to do business with you.

    2. 30 days closing should be enough to close a deal. Have a clause of 15 days extension if the property has title issues and it takes time to close the deal, not because of you but the issues in the title.

    It's not that complicated as other professionals here have outlined. Be honest, work hard and you'll be just fine. 

  • Wholesaler · Knoxville, TN · Member since 2016 · 247 posts · 76 votes
    9y

    @John Thedford Honesty and professionalism is what I'm all about. That's why I asked my original question. Now if I worded the question is a way that made me seem like some weasel of a wholesaler than I apologize but that's not me.

    I understand all the possible ways to get a home with little money. I'm currently networking and trying to build rapport and relationships with possible JV partners and/or private investors. My family is poor and I don't have a ton of friends because I am quite introverted at heart. But I'm working on that as I cold call and talk to strangers.

    Any advice on how to build relationships that can lead to private money, JV, and/or other creative financing methods? As far as Sub2, that's what I'm hoping to find in my wholesaling but I also know that I have to first find that deal.

  • Wholesaler · Knoxville, TN · Member since 2016 · 247 posts · 76 votes
    9y

    @Account Closed

    Great advice my friend. Thanks a lot. I am working with a BP wholesaler on creating a buyers list. I'm going to the big KnoxREIA tomorrow and networking to find those big players in the area. So that's in the works. I have a list of questions to help create a criteria for the buyer's wants.

    As far as looking at a deal through a rehabber/wholesaler POV. Isn't that what I should already be doing? At least that was my approach anyway. However, there's also the renter property investor POV that's going to be different from a rehabber, right? Or approach them all the same? I mean, I figured a rehabber would need a lower LTV ratio than a landlord but you tell me.

    Thnx

  • Escrow Officer · Temecula, Ca. · Member since 2016 · 418 posts · 152 votes
    9y

    As an Escrow Officer, I have seen these deals close in 10 day all the way up to 120 days...every deal is different and so is the motivation of the seller. The average wholesale deal is less than 45 days, though, for the investors/wholesalers that I work with.

    I have also seen 1-3 page contracts. Depending on how much "fluff" is included, you can get a lot on those few pages.

    I always tell the newbies I talk to to that they need an assignable contract and the buyer needs to know what is it up front. Often times, my sellers know, also, because the wholesaler is honest and full disclosure give weight in this industry.

    Ca is a disclosure state, if you don't want it disclosed, don't do it.

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    9y

    Get out and meet people at your REIA. Find who the real lenders are in your area that may be interested. Lots of people make promises but then don't deliver. Generally, you will need some skin in the game. Assume at least 20%. You may find someone willing to take less but generally you will need a track record for anyone will to take less down. I would concentrate on buying sub2 if possible. Find people that want out, are willing to negotiate, and work that angle. Make sure you keep the payments current so you don't cause the seller problems. Be prepared if the note is called as well.

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    9y

    Well, I was mentioned otherwise I probably wouldn't post except for the fact that John Chapman posted.

    First look to the basic legal requirements of having a valid contract, go ahead, drop all the way down to business law 101, competency of the parties, meeting of the minds, adequate consideration, lawful purpose, ability to perform.......now, wholesalers bump up against each of those requirements except competency (hopefully, but I sometimes have doubts). 

    Is there a meeting of the minds, no, the seller thinks the the buyer is buying!

    Adequate consideration, probably not, $100 is just BS for a home purchase.

    Lawful purpose, not really as the wholesaler is acting as a straw-man, an agency capacity lacking the intent to perform as agreed.

    Ability to perform, no, they can't buy and have no intention of buying.

    This means the contract is voidable, it's not accomplished in good faith and that's where John's seller was going, my bet is that his seller didn't have a good attorney willing to fight, the seller caved in and John won from employing his professional skills. 

    You have to meet all of those requirements to have a binding contract, not just some. 

    If you use seller financing and then pay your note off ten minutes later you can wash away the intent, ability to perform, meeting of the minds issues, you actually closed then you sold. Transactional funding does the job as well, just know you can obtain funding and you can then have the intent to perform.

    Now, as to throwing around "making $10,000 for assignment fees", not only do those wholesalers don't understand valuations of real property they also don't understand fair trade and dealing in pricing services performed. Valuations of property or services don't come from thin air! 

    So, if you assign at an inflated valuation, you either screwed the seller or the buyer to make room for that inflated fee for your services. 

    Charging arbitrary outlandish fees is unethical. Breaking the law is unethical. 

    The service performed is basically the same as a Realtor, work wise in reality it's the same thing and the fees should be in line with customary commissions. Anything higher should then be justified by additional services that a Realtor would not do in the course of that job. 

    If you have a license, use it, list it, because wholesaling only takes you down the "Net Listing" road, especially if you can't perform. Have any of you brokers forgotten why you had to get a license (?) does protecting the public ring any bells? The license laws are there because the State doesn't want a bunch of yahoos dealing with the public in the sale of real property, especially homeowners who lack specific knowledge. So, now you just think you can use sale contracts and avoid the responsibilities and ethical use of your knowledge as a licensee for your personal gain. Again, take title and avoid the ethics and legal ramifications. Or, charge any commission you can and justify a higher commission based on the degree of difficulty to market the property!  

    Avoid this mess and take title, then sell, at that point you're not a straw-man, you're an owner, owners can set any price for property without being seen as a service provider.

    And "disclosures", LOL, get your seller to agree to you "selling" the place, you just arranged a brokerage deal, say you're buying and don't you're scamming regardless of what you lead others to believe.

    So, let's also drop this "down with wholesaler" talk, bashing them or belittling them as they accuse me of doing, I just told everyone how to do this stuff legally and ethically, but for those who continue with assigning voidable contracts, you put yourself in pot to boil. 

    :)   

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    9y

    @Bill Gulley out of your 21,000 post this is one the better ones  very succinct.

    there was a heated thread on wholesaling... and I get that many of these wholesalers want to make far more than traditional RE commission would pay on low value assets.. I totally get that

    I would not waste 2 seconds at a 3 or 6% fee on a 30k property...

    So I talked about my early days in the business where I sold ranch land and recreational acreages and Trophy ranch's... as a broker.

    and this goes to your point exactly... many of these properties were very tough to sell.. ( just like hoarder houses or junkers that many wholesalers deal with) and it took special skills to even find most of the properties.. I mean I was driving 20 miles back into the national forest and Identifying them Via Quad topos.... and then finding old survey monuments or Blaze lines. Very special set of skills needed.. Therefore I justified charging 15 to as high as 30% commissions ... and or flat fee commissions.... And the sellers paid me.. Mainly because I was one of the few that would even work on them. the other realtors stuck them on MLS and hoped for the best.. I personally showed every property and I doubled ended EVERY single one. .I did not even put them on MLS it was a waste of time for that product..

    So these wholesalers / investors.. if they want to act as agents they can do that and they can negotiate commissions.. up or down.  Now I am not talking about better class of property that the only thing a wholesaler brings to the party is taking advantage of a seller who knows know better. There is no value they bring they just take SEllers equity and put it in their pocket simple as that.

  • Investor · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 477 posts · 426 votes
    9y

    @Benjamin Barredo Not to take this thread WAY off topic, but you said earlier your long-term goal is to get into Buy and Hold, correct? And that Wholesaling is just a way to raise funds for that?

    If your goal is B&H, and you're a Veteran (Thank you for your service!) than why not use a VA loan to buy a 3 or 4 unit property, live in one unit and rent out the other 3? If I remember correctly, you can do real, true, no money down VA loans up to ~$400,000, pay a ~2% 'funding fee' and be off to the races (or you might qualify for an exemption from the funding fee - I don't know your situation.)

    If you had to use an FHA loan with 3.5% down, you should be able to get something pretty decent in Knoxville and only have to come up with a couple of grand out of pocket (which you could borrow from a friend/family or even get Down Payment assistance for.)

    Lots of funding options: don't put your career/life on hold thinking you need to come up with 25% down to buy SFRs that make a hundred bucks a month.

    Good Luck!

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    9y

    There is no "set" commission on listings as Jay points out. Sure, a 30K property is not worth dealing with to many agents where the commission is $900 before the broker takes a cut. But like Jay says, taking a big slice from a seller and "selling" the property way under value is not a benefit to the owner. When an agent is approached, they should be straight forward, tell the potential seller what true market is, and then, if they want to buy, make an offer on their parameters. This is not unethical. Always tell a seller "your property would bring x on the open market but if you want a solid deal today without contingencies I will pay y". No deception. Some sellers will opt for a quick sale since they won't pay commissions and want to be gone. Others may prefer a listing to get a higher price and pay for RE services of a licensee. An unlicensed broker has time constraints to get an assignment within x days. Listings can expire, but the listing agent doesn't have to sell the property. Thousands of other agents can bring the buyer. There really are so many differences in the way an unlicensed broker operates. If agents did what many of these unlicensed agents did, they would be sued at best, possibly lose their license, and be out of the RE field as a professional. As I noted in a previous post, one unlicensed broker that promoted one of their "deals" on BP is getting desperate. They have continually dropped the price but are now representing the value to be even higher than their original claim. They have no one to answer to and their games are getting worse by the day. 

  • Wholesaler · Knoxville, TN · Member since 2016 · 247 posts · 76 votes
    9y

    @Jason V. My wife doesn't want to move into a duplex. She wants out of condos, row-houses, apartment type places. I tried to sell her on it but there was a big fat no.

    Now, I am talking with a loan officer who is going to explain at a meeting tonight how I might be able to refi on the VA loan within a year and use it again on another property.

    I'm looking into FHA, USDA, and other types that I might be able to hustle into something sooner as well.

  • Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2008 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y

    If wholesalers would only learn how to get on title and be an owner and then do whatever they want to their Cash Buyers

    Many trainers of Wholesaling courses just say you got an indoor assigns or an assignment and you're good to go no matter what

    Many trainers of Wholesaling courses just say you get an "and or assigns" or "an assignment" and you're good to go no matter what,  all you need to do is tell the truth to the seller! Lol

     You can live by not telling the whole truth, which I believe many agents do, " lying via omission"

    If wholesalers put some work into getting private lenders that would buy at 70% of ARV all-cash holding the note for 90 days or finding joint venture partners that would get a credit line have a small bank and take 50% of all profits in case the wholesaler could not find a cash buyer

    I truly believe that many wholesalers cannot get Cash Buyers to work with them because they cannot price a repair very well, scope of work. Many people should purchase J Scott's book on preparing a scope of work

     I don't know who's at fault but

    wholesalers should be able to get the money if they need it if they can't close and get on legal title and 

    wholesalers should be able to prepare a scope of work on repairs for the cash buyers

    @Bill Gulley

    @Jay Hinrichs

    @John Thedford

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    9y

    @Brian Gibbons
    Lets get semantical? Is that even a word?
    If they CLOSE and then sell they are not playing the games most unlicensed brokers play. I like to distinguish between the two calling them flippers. I got an email from a local company that does LOTS of assignments this morning. Nice info. NO ARV representation. Here is the property--here is the asking price. Let us know if interested. They do work and are affiliated with a local broker and have a good reputation. Can you assign and be honest and ethical? Absolutely...but most people are not. A strict business model of assigning with no ability to close is at best unethical and no doubt has left many a seller in a bad situation. As an industry, investors, agents, etc CAN do a better job and stand against dishonesty in all areas of RE investing.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Madison, WI · Member since 2016 · 29 posts · 27 votes
    9y

    Tie it up for as long as you can but always intend to close, it's probably smart to have investors or lenders lined up before you out something under contract, it's the most ethical thing to do in my humble opinion. 

    As far as 90 days being too long or "playing games" I'm not sure if I agree because the time on a contract is usually longer for a harder to sell property, so I guess it depends. If I'm wholesaling I shoot for 45 days if I'm rehabbing I'll usually put it under contract for 25-30 days, and yes we always close before we resell;-)

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