Multi-family in(yea right) and around NYC house hack

Multi-family in(yea right) and around NYC house hack

Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 0 votes

Hi everyone. 

It's finally time to get my first deal done and I'll need all the help I can get. 

I'm looking in the NYC area with Rail access to Manhattan in 1 hour or less.

I've probably run the numbers on 100 deals over the past few years. I even worked as a financial analyst for a Real Estate developer for a while before moving into corporate finance.

I've found a 4-plex I really like in Mt. Vernon NY (540K with a 7.5 cap), but don't really know where to start. I want to house-hack/hustle and get financing through FHA.

I think the place is renting below market and needs some minor cosmetic work to get the rents up. Also, some of the utilities can be paid the tenants that the current owner is paying now(not sure why, see below for more) I intend to re-fi a year later and repeat the process. 

I hit my first major road block today when I tried to get pre-approved for a mortgage. I'm close to qualifying for the entire property on my income alone but I'm just short of the asking price. When I mentioned taking the potential rent from the other 3 units(75%) the guy from BOA had no idea what I was talking about. Doing more research I see that sometimes there is a 2-year landlord requirement for this to apply. Anyone else experiences this?

Can anyone recommend a mortgage broker in the NY area?

Would also be interested in an agent recommendation and PM in the NYC area.

Lastly, looking to get more involved in the NYC community and establish a network. I'd be happy to help anyone run numbers or look at deals

Thanks,

DK

PS

Here's the deal:

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/20281138/119-N-Terr...

The apartments located at 119 N. Terrace Avenue, Mt Vernon NY is comprised of 4 units (3-five room railroad style and 1-true three bedroom) in a two story brick building. Situated on a .09 acre lot, there is coin-op laundry and storage available for the tenants in the basement. Currently the owner pays for the heat at the property through an oil boiler, yet the building is also setup with individual gas boilers and hot water heaters that would put the heating cost on the tenant. The property is located just 0.3 miles from the Metro-North "Mt Vernon West" Station with access to Grand Central in Manhattan in approximately 30 minutes.

Not sure if it's a faux pas to post this ^^ I'm more interested in learning than someone who's better capitalized 'stealing' this particular deal. There will be others. 

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  • Rental Property Investor · Greenwich, CT · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y
    1st, talk to some local/regional banks. I would also consider an FHA loan. In Westchester, the limits are much higher due to the cost of real estate. Over $1mm on a 4-family. I also believe that FHA will consider up to 75% of rental income for qualifying. Have you looked in Tarrytown or Ossining? Both 45-60 minutes on the Hudson line and a little less expensive than lower Westchester.
  • Darren SagerPro Member
    Investor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    @David Kennedy is there an underground oil tank?  Looks like there's asbestos on the oil burner so have it checked out.  Going forward since the multi family market is so tight, don't alert others to potentially taking your deal away. Just post the information about the property and don't link to it.  

    I'll send you a PM regarding a Mortgage broker who understands exactly what you're trying to do and will not be clueless to the multi family FHA space. Also will send you a agent recommendation.

  • Real Estate Broker · Bronx, NY · Member since 2011 · 597 posts · 341 votes
    9y

    @David Kennedy

    This seems like a pretty decent deal. You would definitely need to see what repairs and upgrades are needed as it is an older home. The units are also railroad style which can make it a little less desirable which will get you slightly under market rents. 

    As for FHA you shouldn't need 2 years of a landlord requirement to use it. Plenty of people buy up to 4 families with no landlord experience using it. What the bank may require is more in reserves when you reach 3 and 4 families. I work with a few great mortgage bankers in the Bronx and Lower Westchester. Feel free to inbox me for their info.

    Have you driven by the area? 

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