Clayton Morris Might Actually Change My Life

Clayton Morris Might Actually Change My Life

Fredericksburg, VA · Member since 2016 · 28 posts · 12 votes

What's going on BP Family?!

I'm so excited to share with you guys what I've discovered and the numbers I ran for my early retirement plan! I recently was introduced to a gentlemen's YouTube channel by a friend of mine. His name is Clayton Morris. Let me tell you this guy is no joke. He breaks down every aspect of creating passive income through buy and hold SFR and does it with such simplicity; no offense to him, but a 10 year old could understand it. I highly encourage you to check out that video because it could put your life into perspective as well.

Now, moving on to what I learned from Clayton. Clayton has this formula and idea called the 'Freedom Number'. What you do is you add up all your expenses for the month (you can do this by checking your bank account online obviously) and I mean ALL EXPENSES; including going out to eat or to the movies, then you add 10% to it just give you a little breathing room so you're not so constricted on your spending. So lets say all your expenses add up to $4,500 a month and you add the 10% for good luck. So 4,500 times .10; that equals an added $450. Which gives us a total of $4,950. Now just round that up to an even $5,000. $5,000 a month.

There it is, your Freedom Number! Oh, but it gets better! Now we're going to find out how many rental properties it's going to need in your portfolio to meet that goal of $5,000 a month. So what we're going to do is take the average rental price of $700 dollars a month. We want to be kind of conservative on this estimate so what Clayton does is he takes 40% out for repairs and vacancies. So 700 times .60 (the 40% taken out) equals $420. Alright, here is the moment of truth. We take the $5,000 and divide that by the $420 and we get 11.9. Round that up to 12 and that is the number of properties that you will need in your portfolio to reach $5,000 a month in cash flow! Amazing, right?!

So I ran my own scenario. Keep in mind, I don't have any expenses as of now. I don't even own a car and I have no credit history (I'm 24. Live at home with mom. Not afraid to admit it). What I've always wanted to do is just travel with my girlfriend and have money to spend while I'm traveling the world. So what I did is I made an Airbnb budget of $200 dollars a night or less for a one month vacation. That's $6,200 for one month plus I through on $5,000 for the plane tickets and anything else I might want to do or purchase while I'm on vacation. So $11,200 dollars MAX for a one month vacation.

I drew out a 10 year plan to retirement and here is what it looks like based on the Freedom Number method.

Starting at age 25

Retire by age 35

Acquiring 36 properties in 8 years

This would be 5 properties a year.

Which would be 40 properties by the end of year 8.

That would be $16,800 a month or $201,600 a year ( CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE BASED ON THE FREEDOM NUMBER SHEET BY CLAYTON MORRIS)

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Break down for 1 year:

$2,100 a month or $25,200 a year.

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By year 2, TECHNICALLY, I could quit my day job as an HVAC Technician making $4,200 a month or $50,400 a year as full time real estate investor.

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Rental Property Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2011 · 956 posts · 510 votes
9y

I commend your enthusiasm and motivation. However,

 you are brand new and totally inexperienced.

You'd be a MUCH wiser man to open your ears and close your mouth

and learn from these wise experienced people here on BP.

They have ALOT to offer.

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  • Rental Property Investor · NY · Member since 2013 · 844 posts · 350 votes
    9y
  • Shiloh LundahlPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    8y

    @Raheem Jamaal Over a year has gone by since you posted about Clayton Morris. How are your Morris investments doing right now. There seems to me a lot of things have been coming out about him and the property management company that he uses in Indianapolis and I was wondering how things have been going for you.

  • Brian GarrettPro Member
    Westminster, CO · Member since 2016 · 68 posts · 22 votes
    8y

    @Shiloh Lundahl - what sort of things have you been hearing?

  • Shiloh LundahlPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    8y

    @Brian Garrett Just everything that has been chronicled and shared about Morris Invest here on BiggerPockets over the past 4 months. You can put Morris Invest or Oceanpoint in the search engine at the top of the page and it will bring up several threads that have been going on for the past year or so (some of them are hundreds of posts long) that detail people’s experiences with Morris Invest - Particularly in Indiana.

  • Josh C.Pro Member
    Property Manager · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2010 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y
    Brian Garrett please search the forums. But an overall disaster. They lost their license. Lying about what rent they are receiving. Lying about work that was completed. We have picked up at least 30 of these houses over the years (several lately) and it’s insane the level of dishonestly. Double leases, forged signatures, inflated rehabs, no permits, the list just goes on and on. Please do lots of research prior to working with them or their management company. That’s good advice for any turn key provider you are considering, but especially with this outfit.
  • Brian GarrettPro Member
    Westminster, CO · Member since 2016 · 68 posts · 22 votes
    8y

    @Josh C.  I did research last year but haven't wrapped back around on it, so thanks for the briefer.  I think finding someone to trust in this process is the single biggest hurdle.

  • Rental Property Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2016 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    8y
    Raheem Jamaal I like the enthusiasm but you’re getting a bit ahead of the 8 ball as many newbie investors do. I think your timeline is somewhat accurate at 10 years , maybe give yourself 12-15. But as others have said you’re underestimating the amount of money this will take. Buy and hold real estate is not much different then other investments. It takes money. A lot of money. The flip side is you can increase value very quickly. I bought a 35k house, that’s now worth about 45k with putting 4k into it, over the process of 7 months. Can’t do that with a stock. Now you will likely need minimum 500-700k to do what you’re wanting, with the likelyhood of it being closer to 1M when other costs are factored in. As to Morris, please avoid. It’s been well documented buying his properties is a bad idea
  • Member since 2019 · 1 post · 0 votes
    7y

    Relevant to topic should someone come across this older thread as I did.

    Although I'm very (VERY) new to exploring the world of real estate investing, my thoughts are deal with caution.  A somewhat recent (as of 2019) news piece on Mr. Morris.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/0...

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