MY THOUGHTS ON SILICON VALLEY BANK COLLAPSE

MY THOUGHTS ON SILICON VALLEY BANK COLLAPSE

Jason MalabuteBusiness Member
Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 897 votes

The following are my thoughts on the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank and any thoughts of upcoming bailouts. As an advocate for responsible financial practices, I believe that the government should not bail out banks that collapse due to their own risky investments. Such bailouts not only create moral hazard but also set a dangerous precedent that banks can engage in reckless behavior with little or no consequences.

Depositors should not be bailed out for savings over the $250,000 FDIC limit because they should share the risk of banking with a particular institution. When depositors place all their cash in one bank, they are essentially placing all their eggs in one basket, which can be risky. Therefore, it is important for depositors to diversify their savings across multiple institutions to mitigate risk. Additionally, depositors should consider investing their money in assets like real estate, which can provide long-term returns and mitigate the risks that come with being too liquid. Ultimately, depositors should take responsibility for their financial decisions and not rely on the government to bail them out in the event of a bank failure.

When the government bails out a bank, it sends a message that the bank's risky investments were acceptable and that taxpayers should bear the cost of the bank's mistakes. This creates a moral hazard, where banks are encouraged to engage in risky behavior with the knowledge that the government will bail them out if things go wrong. This, in turn, puts taxpayers at risk and undermines the integrity of the financial system.

Moreover, when the government bails out a bank, it effectively rewards poor financial management and risk-taking. This sends the message that there are no consequences for engaging in such behavior, which can ultimately lead to a culture of complacency and a lack of accountability in the banking sector.

In addition to the moral hazard, bailing out banks can also be costly for taxpayers. The funds used to bail out a failing bank are typically drawn from the public coffers, meaning that taxpayers foot the bill.

As a real estate investor, I am aware that financial distress in the market can create great buying opportunities. An economic downturn can create great buying opportunities in commercial real estate for savvy investors. When the market is down, sellers are more flexible on price and terms, and may be more willing to negotiate seller financing or other creative financing options. Additionally, there is likely to be less competition from other buyers as money may be less accessible. This can be particularly beneficial for real estate investors who have preexisting relationships with investors who have cash, creativity, and resourcefulness, allowing them to take advantage of market opportunities that others may miss. Ultimately, an economic downturn can be a great time for investors to acquire high-quality assets at a discount and position themselves for long-term success in the real estate market. With that said, as a real estate investor I would be extra careful with what banking institution I do business with and put my reserve money in moving forward.

In conclusion, I strongly believe that banks and depositors should not be bailed out over the FDIC amount. Bailing out banks creates moral hazard, sets a dangerous precedent, and can be costly for taxpayers. As a society, we should encourage responsible financial practices and hold banks accountable for their actions, rather than rewarding them for their mistakes.

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Realtor · Longmont, CO · Member since 2021 · 577 posts · 631 votes
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If this was a crisis that happened because of risky investments I would agree. That being said, this is a crisis that was created because the bank chose the safest asset on earth (US treasury bonds) to put their depositors money into and the Fed kept rates low too long and then raised rates too fast, and focused on lagging indicators all the while knowing they risked collapsing the banking system. If the Fed does not step in, it is likely that there will be a rush on the banks, and these banks will not be able to liquidate assets fast enough to handle the pressure and collapse. As RE investors we like buying opportunities, but we should not like government created banking system failures. 

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  • Realtor · Longmont, CO · Member since 2021 · 577 posts · 631 votes
    3y

    If this was a crisis that happened because of risky investments I would agree. That being said, this is a crisis that was created because the bank chose the safest asset on earth (US treasury bonds) to put their depositors money into and the Fed kept rates low too long and then raised rates too fast, and focused on lagging indicators all the while knowing they risked collapsing the banking system. If the Fed does not step in, it is likely that there will be a rush on the banks, and these banks will not be able to liquidate assets fast enough to handle the pressure and collapse. As RE investors we like buying opportunities, but we should not like government created banking system failures. 

  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 618 posts · 430 votes
    3y

    Id feel differently if they did something risky but to me they did not. 

    Are you worried if they don't get bailed out that Institutions/VCs/etc will only bank with large banks (JP Morgan/BOA/etc) who have 500B+ in asset?  I could imagine in return anyone outside those few banks, especially small local banks, will start loosing footing which could lead to their slow death and a more monopolistic banking scenario. 

  • Jason MalabuteBusiness Member
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    Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 897 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

    If this was a crisis that happened because of risky investments I would agree. That being said, this is a crisis that was created because the bank chose the safest asset on earth (US treasury bonds) to put their depositors money into and the Fed kept rates low too long and then raised rates too fast, and focused on lagging indicators all the while knowing they risked collapsing the banking system. If the Fed does not step in, it is likely that there will be a rush on the banks, and these banks will not be able to liquidate assets fast enough to handle the pressure and collapse. As RE investors we like buying opportunities, but we should not like government created banking system failures. 


     I won't complain. I'll just take the opportunity. I'm a capitalist :) 

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    Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 897 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Eric Greenberg:

    Id feel differently if they did something risky but to me they did not. 

    Are you worried if they don't get bailed out that Institutions/VCs/etc will only bank with large banks (JP Morgan/BOA/etc) who have 500B+ in asset?  I could imagine in return anyone outside those few banks, especially small local banks, will start loosing footing which could lead to their slow death and a more monopolistic banking scenario. 


     I think top banks are fine. Although, I saw something about JPM that is concerning 

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  • Realtor · Longmont, CO · Member since 2021 · 577 posts · 631 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jason Malabute:
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

    If this was a crisis that happened because of risky investments I would agree. That being said, this is a crisis that was created because the bank chose the safest asset on earth (US treasury bonds) to put their depositors money into and the Fed kept rates low too long and then raised rates too fast, and focused on lagging indicators all the while knowing they risked collapsing the banking system. If the Fed does not step in, it is likely that there will be a rush on the banks, and these banks will not be able to liquidate assets fast enough to handle the pressure and collapse. As RE investors we like buying opportunities, but we should not like government created banking system failures. 


     I won't complain. I'll just take the opportunity. I'm a capitalist

    How long could you survive if 25-30% of your tenants stopped making payments, and all of your credit lines were frozen. How much opportunity does that create for you?

    The free flow of capital is a cornerstone of capitalism and it is at risk of freezing tomorrow. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2016 · 393 posts · 995 votes
    3y

    There are roughly 4800 FDIC banks in the United States. A billion dollars is a lot of money to regular folks like me and you, but in Corporate America a billion dollars is a drop in the bucket. At the limit of 250k per bank, in order to get FDIC insurance on a billion dollars, the company would need to spread its money across virtually every single bank in the nation, and it becomes physically impossible to do if you have 1.2 billion dollars.

    When you have a billion dollars, its not just as easy as 'diversify and buy some real estate'. With no leverage that means buying over 3300 SFR homes at 300k each, or 6600 with a meagre 50% LTV. At that scale we aren't talking about just buying some real estate, we are talking about forming a major corporation to procure and manage that many rentals. And once again, remember that a billion dollars is a small number in the corporate world. What do you do when you need to spend 10 billion, or 100 billion?

    You mention that markets like this can be beneficial for real estate investors who have preexisting relationships with people who have cash...but where do those people with cash keep their cash?  Answer:  In the bank. 

    Banks follow strict regulations when it comes to what they can and can not do with deposits, and how much reserves they are required to keep.  These regulations are put in place to prevent risky behavior.  If the federal government puts in place rules that say that "X is safe to do", and then completely and dramatically changes the financial landscape by changing from QE to QT virtually overnight, and dramatically jacking up interest rates sending the entire global financial industry into a tailspin is that really the banks problem, or is it the government themselves the problem?

    And lastly lets not forget that this bank is failing because it invested its money in the absolute safest investments possible.  Treasuries.  So if playing it safe leads to a bankruptcy then what does that tell you about the government changing the rules mid game?

    A functioning economy requires a safe place to store your money.  Until crypto takes over and people are able to self custody their wealth, banks are the only option that we have.

  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 618 posts · 430 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jason Malabute:
    Quote from @Eric Greenberg:

    Id feel differently if they did something risky but to me they did not. 

    Are you worried if they don't get bailed out that Institutions/VCs/etc will only bank with large banks (JP Morgan/BOA/etc) who have 500B+ in asset?  I could imagine in return anyone outside those few banks, especially small local banks, will start loosing footing which could lead to their slow death and a more monopolistic banking scenario. 


     I think top banks are fine. Although, I saw something about JPM that is concerning 

    Sorry, I meant the opposite as only the top X% of banks with the largest assets will see big players flock to them and in turn, smaller banks will start doing less and less business. 
  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    3y

    Commercial depositors spreading their large deposit accounts across hundreds or thousands of banks is a nonstarter.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:
    Quote from @Jason Malabute:
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

    If this was a crisis that happened because of risky investments I would agree. That being said, this is a crisis that was created because the bank chose the safest asset on earth (US treasury bonds) to put their depositors money into and the Fed kept rates low too long and then raised rates too fast, and focused on lagging indicators all the while knowing they risked collapsing the banking system. If the Fed does not step in, it is likely that there will be a rush on the banks, and these banks will not be able to liquidate assets fast enough to handle the pressure and collapse. As RE investors we like buying opportunities, but we should not like government created banking system failures. 


     I won't complain. I'll just take the opportunity. I'm a capitalist

    How long could you survive if 25-30% of your tenants stopped making payments, and all of your credit lines were frozen. How much opportunity does that create for you?

    The free flow of capital is a cornerstone of capitalism and it is at risk of freezing tomorrow. 


    what you described is what happened in 08 to a tee to real estate folks.. Credit froze many tenants stopped paying.. game over.
  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Mike Dymski:

    Commercial depositors spreading their large deposit accounts across hundreds or thousands of banks is a nonstarter.


    Agreed  thinking that business's should only keep 250k in each bank is ridiculous statement on so many levels.  What about companies that have payrolls of millions a  month they going to have 25 separate banks to deal with ??  And Should syndicators and other investors that are pooling money for a deal and say are raising 5 million in cash they should go out and get 20 separate accounts..  Growing up in Cupertino ( Silicon Valley) Always thought SVB to be a good institution catering to high tech.  Maybe they needed more real estate loans tied to prime on their books.. 

  • Realtor · Longmont, CO · Member since 2021 · 577 posts · 631 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:
    Quote from @Jason Malabute:
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

    If this was a crisis that happened because of risky investments I would agree. That being said, this is a crisis that was created because the bank chose the safest asset on earth (US treasury bonds) to put their depositors money into and the Fed kept rates low too long and then raised rates too fast, and focused on lagging indicators all the while knowing they risked collapsing the banking system. If the Fed does not step in, it is likely that there will be a rush on the banks, and these banks will not be able to liquidate assets fast enough to handle the pressure and collapse. As RE investors we like buying opportunities, but we should not like government created banking system failures. 


     I won't complain. I'll just take the opportunity. I'm a capitalist

    How long could you survive if 25-30% of your tenants stopped making payments, and all of your credit lines were frozen. How much opportunity does that create for you?

    The free flow of capital is a cornerstone of capitalism and it is at risk of freezing tomorrow. 


    what you described is what happened in 08 to a tee to real estate folks.. Credit froze many tenants stopped paying.. game over.

     And that would be bad! We do not want that to happen. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:
    Quote from @Jason Malabute:
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

    If this was a crisis that happened because of risky investments I would agree. That being said, this is a crisis that was created because the bank chose the safest asset on earth (US treasury bonds) to put their depositors money into and the Fed kept rates low too long and then raised rates too fast, and focused on lagging indicators all the while knowing they risked collapsing the banking system. If the Fed does not step in, it is likely that there will be a rush on the banks, and these banks will not be able to liquidate assets fast enough to handle the pressure and collapse. As RE investors we like buying opportunities, but we should not like government created banking system failures. 


     I won't complain. I'll just take the opportunity. I'm a capitalist

    How long could you survive if 25-30% of your tenants stopped making payments, and all of your credit lines were frozen. How much opportunity does that create for you?

    The free flow of capital is a cornerstone of capitalism and it is at risk of freezing tomorrow. 


    what you described is what happened in 08 to a tee to real estate folks.. Credit froze many tenants stopped paying.. game over.

     And that would be bad! We do not want that to happen.

    YUP set us back 10 years was very trying times.

  • Lender · Fort Mill, SCinstal · Member since 2016 · 68 posts · 64 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Mike Dymski:

    Commercial depositors spreading their large deposit accounts across hundreds or thousands of banks is a nonstarter.


    Agreed  thinking that business's should only keep 250k in each bank is ridiculous statement on so many levels.  What about companies that have payrolls of millions a  month they going to have 25 separate banks to deal with ??  And Should syndicators and other investors that are pooling money for a deal and say are raising 5 million in cash they should go out and get 20 separate accounts..  Growing up in Cupertino ( Silicon Valley) Always thought SVB to be a good institution catering to high tech.  Maybe they needed more real estate loans tied to prime on their books.. 


    In 2008 I think they changed the FDIC limit from $100k to $250k. I suspect they create a second business FDIC limit at say $10M now IMO. This gives businesses some flexibility and eases the risk. Now, that might mean competence from the Federal Reserve which we haven't seen recently (COVID cash, keeping rates too long and raising them too fast), but that is my guess on the mid-term fix.

    Short term though,

    - Big banks get bigger ... again

    - Lots of deposits flow to short term treasuries

    - Fed announces they are pausing interest rates hikes because they have miscalculated the risk in the market (not sure they say that though)

    I agree though that I would not do a big bailout for those deposits.  Maybe 50 cents on the dollar as you don't want to encourage future risk with an implied government guarantee.  

  • Jason MalabuteBusiness Member
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    Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 897 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:
    Quote from @Jason Malabute:
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

    If this was a crisis that happened because of risky investments I would agree. That being said, this is a crisis that was created because the bank chose the safest asset on earth (US treasury bonds) to put their depositors money into and the Fed kept rates low too long and then raised rates too fast, and focused on lagging indicators all the while knowing they risked collapsing the banking system. If the Fed does not step in, it is likely that there will be a rush on the banks, and these banks will not be able to liquidate assets fast enough to handle the pressure and collapse. As RE investors we like buying opportunities, but we should not like government created banking system failures. 


     I won't complain. I'll just take the opportunity. I'm a capitalist

    How long could you survive if 25-30% of your tenants stopped making payments, and all of your credit lines were frozen. How much opportunity does that create for you?

    The free flow of capital is a cornerstone of capitalism and it is at risk of freezing tomorrow. 


     I hope more of my competitors aka opposition thinks like this. :)

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  • Jason MalabuteBusiness Member
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    Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 897 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Michael Hutchinson:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Mike Dymski:

    Commercial depositors spreading their large deposit accounts across hundreds or thousands of banks is a nonstarter.


    Agreed  thinking that business's should only keep 250k in each bank is ridiculous statement on so many levels.  What about companies that have payrolls of millions a  month they going to have 25 separate banks to deal with ??  And Should syndicators and other investors that are pooling money for a deal and say are raising 5 million in cash they should go out and get 20 separate accounts..  Growing up in Cupertino ( Silicon Valley) Always thought SVB to be a good institution catering to high tech.  Maybe they needed more real estate loans tied to prime on their books.. 


    In 2008 I think they changed the FDIC limit from $100k to $250k. I suspect they create a second business FDIC limit at say $10M now IMO. This gives businesses some flexibility and eases the risk. Now, that might mean competence from the Federal Reserve which we haven't seen recently (COVID cash, keeping rates too long and raising them too fast), but that is my guess on the mid-term fix.

    Short term though,

    - Big banks get bigger ... again

    - Lots of deposits flow to short term treasuries

    - Fed announces they are pausing interest rates hikes because they have miscalculated the risk in the market (not sure they say that though)

    I agree though that I would not do a big bailout for those deposits.  Maybe 50 cents on the dollar as you don't want to encourage future risk with an implied government guarantee.  


     didn't they propose or do something like that in the 90s? not sure

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  • Jason MalabuteBusiness Member
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    Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 897 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:
    Quote from @Jason Malabute:
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

    If this was a crisis that happened because of risky investments I would agree. That being said, this is a crisis that was created because the bank chose the safest asset on earth (US treasury bonds) to put their depositors money into and the Fed kept rates low too long and then raised rates too fast, and focused on lagging indicators all the while knowing they risked collapsing the banking system. If the Fed does not step in, it is likely that there will be a rush on the banks, and these banks will not be able to liquidate assets fast enough to handle the pressure and collapse. As RE investors we like buying opportunities, but we should not like government created banking system failures. 


     I won't complain. I'll just take the opportunity. I'm a capitalist

    How long could you survive if 25-30% of your tenants stopped making payments, and all of your credit lines were frozen. How much opportunity does that create for you?

    The free flow of capital is a cornerstone of capitalism and it is at risk of freezing tomorrow. 


    what you described is what happened in 08 to a tee to real estate folks.. Credit froze many tenants stopped paying.. game over.

     And that would be bad! We do not want that to happen.

    YUP set us back 10 years was very trying times.


     That would be a great opportunity for me. If that happens I would be so bullish. Where would you be right now if you bought everything you were able to in 08? 

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  • Jason MalabuteBusiness Member
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    Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 897 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:
    Quote from @Jason Malabute:
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

    If this was a crisis that happened because of risky investments I would agree. That being said, this is a crisis that was created because the bank chose the safest asset on earth (US treasury bonds) to put their depositors money into and the Fed kept rates low too long and then raised rates too fast, and focused on lagging indicators all the while knowing they risked collapsing the banking system. If the Fed does not step in, it is likely that there will be a rush on the banks, and these banks will not be able to liquidate assets fast enough to handle the pressure and collapse. As RE investors we like buying opportunities, but we should not like government created banking system failures. 


     I won't complain. I'll just take the opportunity. I'm a capitalist

    How long could you survive if 25-30% of your tenants stopped making payments, and all of your credit lines were frozen. How much opportunity does that create for you?

    The free flow of capital is a cornerstone of capitalism and it is at risk of freezing tomorrow. 


    what you described is what happened in 08 to a tee to real estate folks.. Credit froze many tenants stopped paying.. game over.

     And that would be bad! We do not want that to happen. 


     :)

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  • Jason MalabuteBusiness Member
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    Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 897 votes
    3y

    Reading all these comments of fear gets me excited and bullish in investing

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  • Lender · Fort Mill, SCinstal · Member since 2016 · 68 posts · 64 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jason Malabute:
    Quote from @Michael Hutchinson:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Mike Dymski:

    Commercial depositors spreading their large deposit accounts across hundreds or thousands of banks is a nonstarter.


    Agreed  thinking that business's should only keep 250k in each bank is ridiculous statement on so many levels.  What about companies that have payrolls of millions a  month they going to have 25 separate banks to deal with ??  And Should syndicators and other investors that are pooling money for a deal and say are raising 5 million in cash they should go out and get 20 separate accounts..  Growing up in Cupertino ( Silicon Valley) Always thought SVB to be a good institution catering to high tech.  Maybe they needed more real estate loans tied to prime on their books.. 


    In 2008 I think they changed the FDIC limit from $100k to $250k. I suspect they create a second business FDIC limit at say $10M now IMO. This gives businesses some flexibility and eases the risk. Now, that might mean competence from the Federal Reserve which we haven't seen recently (COVID cash, keeping rates too long and raising them too fast), but that is my guess on the mid-term fix.

    Short term though,

    - Big banks get bigger ... again

    - Lots of deposits flow to short term treasuries

    - Fed announces they are pausing interest rates hikes because they have miscalculated the risk in the market (not sure they say that though)

    I agree though that I would not do a big bailout for those deposits.  Maybe 50 cents on the dollar as you don't want to encourage future risk with an implied government guarantee.  


     didn't they propose or do something like that in the 90s? not sure


     Not that I am aware of.   Heard the suggestion today on a podcast "unheard".   Most of the suggestions I didn't love, but that one hit me as right.   Here are the changes that actually went through, not sure what was proposed though.


    History and Timeline of Changes to FDIC Coverage Limits - ADM (americandeposits.com)



    History and Timeline of Changes to FDIC Coverage Limits - ADM (americandeposits.com)

  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jason Malabute:

    The following are my thoughts on the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank and any thoughts of upcoming bailouts. As an advocate for responsible financial practices, I believe that the government should not bail out banks that collapse due to their own risky investments. Such bailouts not only create moral hazard but also set a dangerous precedent that banks can engage in reckless behavior with little or no consequences.

    Depositors should not be bailed out for savings over the $250,000 FDIC limit because they should share the risk of banking with a particular institution. When depositors place all their cash in one bank, they are essentially placing all their eggs in one basket, which can be risky. Therefore, it is important for depositors to diversify their savings across multiple institutions to mitigate risk. Additionally, depositors should consider investing their money in assets like real estate, which can provide long-term returns and mitigate the risks that come with being too liquid. Ultimately, depositors should take responsibility for their financial decisions and not rely on the government to bail them out in the event of a bank failure.

    When the government bails out a bank, it sends a message that the bank's risky investments were acceptable and that taxpayers should bear the cost of the bank's mistakes. This creates a moral hazard, where banks are encouraged to engage in risky behavior with the knowledge that the government will bail them out if things go wrong. This, in turn, puts taxpayers at risk and undermines the integrity of the financial system.

    Moreover, when the government bails out a bank, it effectively rewards poor financial management and risk-taking. This sends the message that there are no consequences for engaging in such behavior, which can ultimately lead to a culture of complacency and a lack of accountability in the banking sector.

    In addition to the moral hazard, bailing out banks can also be costly for taxpayers. The funds used to bail out a failing bank are typically drawn from the public coffers, meaning that taxpayers foot the bill.

    As a real estate investor, I am aware that financial distress in the market can create great buying opportunities. An economic downturn can create great buying opportunities in commercial real estate for savvy investors. When the market is down, sellers are more flexible on price and terms, and may be more willing to negotiate seller financing or other creative financing options. Additionally, there is likely to be less competition from other buyers as money may be less accessible. This can be particularly beneficial for real estate investors who have preexisting relationships with investors who have cash, creativity, and resourcefulness, allowing them to take advantage of market opportunities that others may miss. Ultimately, an economic downturn can be a great time for investors to acquire high-quality assets at a discount and position themselves for long-term success in the real estate market. With that said, as a real estate investor I would be extra careful with what banking institution I do business with and put my reserve money in moving forward.

    In conclusion, I strongly believe that banks and depositors should not be bailed out over the FDIC amount. Bailing out banks creates moral hazard, sets a dangerous precedent, and can be costly for taxpayers. As a society, we should encourage responsible financial practices and hold banks accountable for their actions, rather than rewarding them for their mistakes.


     Hello, the SVB doesnt make risky investment, they only purchase MBS bonds in 2020, but the gov. choose to crash those bonds.
    I bet it's Powell intended consequence to rise the rate that high that fast for nothing. 

    nobody questioning powell LOL

  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Mike Dymski:

    Commercial depositors spreading their large deposit accounts across hundreds or thousands of banks is a nonstarter.


    Agreed  thinking that business's should only keep 250k in each bank is ridiculous statement on so many levels.  What about companies that have payrolls of millions a  month they going to have 25 separate banks to deal with ??  And Should syndicators and other investors that are pooling money for a deal and say are raising 5 million in cash they should go out and get 20 separate accounts..  Growing up in Cupertino ( Silicon Valley) Always thought SVB to be a good institution catering to high tech.  Maybe they needed more real estate loans tied to prime on their books.. 


     so SVB business model is bit different, they have special loan program for the tech/startup founder but the rule is that they have to invest in SVB.

    This problem actually happened because Peter Thiel is saying to everyone in VC world that they should withdraw their fund from SVB.

    Btw last time I checked all the big VC has large $$$ in SVB, I guess we will see catastropic changes in bay area in next few month. If bank and Gov cant be trusted what can we do :) lol

  • Real Estate Broker · Redwood City, CA · Member since 2014 · 679 posts · 888 votes
    3y

    All deposits in SVB will be available tomorrow morning, guaranteed by Uncle Sam.

    Uncle Sam has a printer that can print money forever.


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    Investor · Member since 2022 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y

    Who asked for your thoughts?

    You're missing the forest for the trees. 

  • V.G JasonPro Member
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    Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Mike Dymski:

    Commercial depositors spreading their large deposit accounts across hundreds or thousands of banks is a nonstarter.


    Agreed  thinking that business's should only keep 250k in each bank is ridiculous statement on so many levels.  What about companies that have payrolls of millions a  month they going to have 25 separate banks to deal with ??  And Should syndicators and other investors that are pooling money for a deal and say are raising 5 million in cash they should go out and get 20 separate accounts..  Growing up in Cupertino ( Silicon Valley) Always thought SVB to be a good institution catering to high tech.  Maybe they needed more real estate loans tied to prime on their books.. 


     so SVB business model is bit different, they have special loan program for the tech/startup founder but the rule is that they have to invest in SVB.

    This problem actually happened because Peter Thiel is saying to everyone in VC world that they should withdraw their fund from SVB.

    Btw last time I checked all the big VC has large $$$ in SVB, I guess we will see catastropic changes in bay area in next few month. If bank and Gov cant be trusted what can we do :) lol

    All depositors are going to be kept whole. This is an unintended consequence of rapid rise in rates. They'll be taken care of. 
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    Commercial depositors spreading their large deposit accounts across hundreds or thousands of banks is a nonstarter.


    Agreed  thinking that business's should only keep 250k in each bank is ridiculous statement on so many levels.  What about companies that have payrolls of millions a  month they going to have 25 separate banks to deal with ??  And Should syndicators and other investors that are pooling money for a deal and say are raising 5 million in cash they should go out and get 20 separate accounts..  Growing up in Cupertino ( Silicon Valley) Always thought SVB to be a good institution catering to high tech.  Maybe they needed more real estate loans tied to prime on their books.. 


     so SVB business model is bit different, they have special loan program for the tech/startup founder but the rule is that they have to invest in SVB.

    This problem actually happened because Peter Thiel is saying to everyone in VC world that they should withdraw their fund from SVB.

    Btw last time I checked all the big VC has large $$$ in SVB, I guess we will see catastropic changes in bay area in next few month. If bank and Gov cant be trusted what can we do :) lol

    All depositors are going to be kept whole. This is an unintended consequence of rapid rise in rates. They'll be taken care of. 

     The thing is most of the "deposit" in SVB is "corporation" account, for example payroll account.

    Guy in roblox and roku can't be paid because thei bank is gone after stupid goverment action :-) even the SVB CEO is not at fault here....

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