Real Estate Consultant · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2021 · 440 posts · 292 votes
Hey guys,
I personally set up my partner and I's LLC online in about 30 minutes, without the use of a lawyer. However, I'm not sure how robust our operating agreement is.
My question is, do you recommend using a lawyer to set up the operating agreement? Any other ways - legal zoom, etc?
Many people believe that starting an LLC by using the one-page form from their state or ordering online is all they need to do. If you've ever been sued, however—and most of us have at some point in our lives —there are ways for attorneys to break the corporate veil if your business structure isn't complete enough. You will need to schedule annual meetings, prepare minutes and maintain good records.
If you and your partner are excited to start a business, this would be the best time to discuss with an experienced attorney who can point out things you all never considered or discussed. Good times make us optimistic. But when disputes arise it's another story entirely. Investing $100,000+ in an asset is a big deal. Spending $500 to discuss your partnership with a local attorney will help you avoid costly mistakes down the road.
Real Estate Agent · Boston, MA · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
3y
You can definitely create an LLC independently but its the OA language that's the tougher part and something that should be reviews with legal expertise.
Attorney · Slidell, LA · Member since 2016 · 322 posts · 179 votes
3y
Disclaimer: I am an attorney, but I am not your attorney. This is not legal advice, just friendly information.
Obviously, I'm biased, but an attorney should put that together. A single member LLC is not as big of a deal, but once there is a partner involved, an attorney needs to be as well.
Many people believe that starting an LLC by using the one-page form from their state or ordering online is all they need to do. If you've ever been sued, however—and most of us have at some point in our lives —there are ways for attorneys to break the corporate veil if your business structure isn't complete enough. You will need to schedule annual meetings, prepare minutes and maintain good records.
If you and your partner are excited to start a business, this would be the best time to discuss with an experienced attorney who can point out things you all never considered or discussed. Good times make us optimistic. But when disputes arise it's another story entirely. Investing $100,000+ in an asset is a big deal. Spending $500 to discuss your partnership with a local attorney will help you avoid costly mistakes down the road.
I used an attorney to set up my LLC and create the operating agreement. In my opinion, it's money well-spent. Like others have mentioned, it's beneficial to you and your business partner to ensure the LLC is established in a way that does in fact limit your liability. It would be worth hiring an attorney to review the OA.
Attorney · Member since 2022 · 83 posts · 79 votes
3y
Hi Tyler,
I am going to have to agree with some of the individuals above. While creating an LLC is a fairly simple process that anyone can do the more difficult part is the OA. In your situation the OA is going to play a more substantial role because you have a partner. In addition an attorney can be a great counselor when you first start the business because they can explain the ins and outs so that you don't end up comingling and allowing the corporate veil to be pierced.
If you're handling RE and you have a partner, a lawyer is a very good idea. The problem in a lot of areas however is that there aren't good lawyers. I've seen every lawyer within an hour's drive and most of them ask "why would you need to start an LLC?" for a sole proprietorship, they assume it's nefarious. Others were excited to set it up, and suggested I get my Operating Agreement on LegalZoom.com. Obviously, they're all idiots. Two of them are city/county attorneys at that, including one from each category just described.
So, yes you should probably have a lawyer whenever you have a partnership LLC (and probably with RE) but good luck finding one that's worth a damn.
So I just do mine myself, having learned a few things about OEs over the decades, but I am not in RE and I am always a sole proprietor.
Also, this lawyer should (in my opinion) by your lawyer, not the LLC lawyer, because you want your interests protected in the partnership.
Rental Property Investor · Santa Rosa CA · Member since 2014 · 56 posts · 48 votes
3y
I used a lawyer in New York to setup my first NY LLC and a lawyer from California to setup my first CA LLC. I got them to prepare the necessary OAs with my objectives in mind and file any required documents. Using these as a template I have subsequently setup all NY/CA LLCs on my own.
Disclaimer: I am an attorney, but I am not your attorney. This is not legal advice, just friendly information.
Obviously, I'm biased, but an attorney should put that together. A single member LLC is not as big of a deal, but once there is a partner involved, an attorney needs to be as well.
Hi Sean You mentioned in your answer that "A single member LLC is not as big of a deal", but I was wondering if a single owner LLC still needs an Operating Agreement, or not?
It is not a legal requirement in Indiana to have one. I did not create one for my first business but I did for my second. Here is some info on why they recommend one still:
It is recommended that single-member LLCs have an operating agreement for a number of reasons, including:
Protecting against personal liability disputes
Maintaining a clear separation between personal and business affairs
Providing guidance on how the LLC should operate
Making it easier to work with third parties
Allowing someone else to run the business if the owner is unable to