Investor · Jackson, MS · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 769 votes
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I would not list Mississippi as a low property tax state. Relative to property values it is anything but. I typically pay $1000-$1500 a year on a house I paid 30K for. That's about the same as my condo in California. Relative to property values, California is much, much less.
Thanks for sharing. Do you care to share your methods for defining "Landlord friendly"?
Hi Nathan. This is the resource I used, along with various other websites/articles. It seems they use several criteria, some of which are fairly minor considerations really. These include rent control, security deposit regulations, lease violations, late fees, eviction processes, barriers to entry (permits, licensing, etc.), and so on.
Wow, if Wisconsin is moderately friendly, I would not want to be a tenant anywhere else!!
Thank you for feedback. There are a number of factors my sources took into consideration, some of which are fairly minor. I feel the two biggest factors would probably be rent control and eviction process. Does rent control still apply though when placing a new tenant?
I would not list Mississippi as a low property tax state. Relative to property values it is anything but. I typically pay $1000-$1500 a year on a house I paid 30K for. That's about the same as my condo in California. Relative to property values, California is much, much less.
That's interesting! What is your home's value currently assessed at? What city?
I would not list Mississippi as a low property tax state. Relative to property values it is anything but. I typically pay $1000-$1500 a year on a house I paid 30K for. That's about the same as my condo in California. Relative to property values, California is much, much less.
That's interesting! What is your home's value currently assessed at? What city?
I'm in Jackson, MS. The county appraisal of a house is 43.5K. The taxes on it are $1221.00
Investor & Agent · Tulsa, OK · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
3y
Interesting study. You’re not wrong about my market (Oklahoma) we are about as landlord friendly as they come, and our taxes are reasonable. But I second @Nathan Gesner’s question… any references available for this study?
Interesting study. You’re not wrong about my market (Oklahoma) we are about as landlord friendly as they come, and our taxes are reasonable. But I second @Nathan Gesner’s question… any references available for this study?
I used Turbo Tenant's landlord-tenant laws map and information for the landlord friendly vs tenant friendly designations. I used Rocket Mortgage's website for the property tax information.
Upon the recommendation of others, I am also finishing up a personal reference that considers landlord friendly vs tenant friendly, property taxes, income taxes, and homeowner's insurance costs. Of course, this information can vary by the exact city or area, considers different factors which may be minor, statistics can be interpreted differently, etc.
However, the fact of the matter is that 50 states plus D.C. or around 19K cities is a lot to choose from, so I'm just trying to have some general criteria to narrow things down by 😅 There are pros and cons to every area and for every person and strategy.
I also have to factor in cash flow vs appreciation, market keys (population growth, job growth, etc), and the strategy (STR vs MTR vs LTR will look for different things). Just desperately trying to narrow things down 😅
Interesting study. You’re not wrong about my market (Oklahoma) we are about as landlord friendly as they come, and our taxes are reasonable. But I second @Nathan Gesner’s question… any references available for this study?
I used Turbo Tenant's landlord-tenant laws map and information for the landlord friendly vs tenant friendly designations. I used Rocket Mortgage's website for the property tax information.
Upon the recommendation of others, I am also finishing up a personal reference that considers landlord friendly vs tenant friendly, property taxes, income taxes, and homeowner's insurance costs. Of course, this information can vary by the exact city or area, considers different factors which may be minor, statistics can be interpreted differently, etc.
However, the fact of the matter is that 50 states plus D.C. or around 19K cities is a lot to choose from, so I'm just trying to have some general criteria to narrow things down by 😅 There are pros and cons to every area and for every person and strategy.
I also have to factor in cash flow vs appreciation, market keys (population growth, job growth, etc), and the strategy (STR vs MTR vs LTR will look for different things). Just desperately trying to narrow things down 😅
Interesting study. You’re not wrong about my market (Oklahoma) we are about as landlord friendly as they come, and our taxes are reasonable. But I second @Nathan Gesner’s question… any references available for this study?
I used Turbo Tenant's landlord-tenant laws map and information for the landlord friendly vs tenant friendly designations. I used Rocket Mortgage's website for the property tax information.
Upon the recommendation of others, I am also finishing up a personal reference that considers landlord friendly vs tenant friendly, property taxes, income taxes, and homeowner's insurance costs. Of course, this information can vary by the exact city or area, considers different factors which may be minor, statistics can be interpreted differently, etc.
However, the fact of the matter is that 50 states plus D.C. or around 19K cities is a lot to choose from, so I'm just trying to have some general criteria to narrow things down by 😅 There are pros and cons to every area and for every person and strategy.
I also have to factor in cash flow vs appreciation, market keys (population growth, job growth, etc), and the strategy (STR vs MTR vs LTR will look for different things). Just desperately trying to narrow things down 😅
Wow, if Wisconsin is moderately friendly, I would not want to be a tenant anywhere else!!
Thank you for feedback. There are a number of factors my sources took into consideration, some of which are fairly minor. I feel the two biggest factors would probably be rent control and eviction process. Does rent control still apply though when placing a new tenant?
Not too familiar with rent control, we don't have to deal with it in Wisconsin. In all fairness, it's not so easy to compare metro areas on paper - my market Milwaukee is a great example. At least half of the information you find online is about Milwaukee proper (City of Milwaukee) which is about 600k people and includes the areas that have issues with poverty and crime.
However, the county of Milwaukee has 19 municipalities that looked at from the outside are all part of what you might consider "Milwaukee" in a more general term. The total population is 1.6 million, and about 2.6x larger than MKE proper. Many of these communities are considered affluent, this is where growth and new construction is happening.
For a lack of a better comparison: NY is bigger than just Manhattan and if you look at economic and real estate metrics you get a totally different picture if you include all 5 burrows. Hope this makes sense..
@Susan Maneck . True about CA as most counties prop Tax is around 1% of value- however most desirable cities introduced Mello Roos or Community Development Fund tax which makes CA prop Tax around 1.9% to 2% in most desireable cities.
@Susan Maneck . True about CA as most counties prop Tax is around 1% of value- however most desirable cities introduced Mello Roos or Community Development Fund tax which makes CA prop Tax around 1.9% to 2% in most desireable cities.
Yes, but property values can only rise so fast because of Prop 13 until a property changes hands. In any case property taxes in Mississippi are more like 3-4% if not owner-occupied, and that's based on what they think the property is worth. During the Recession their appraisals were higher about 25% higher than I was paying for the properties!
Real Estate Consultant · MO · Member since 2015 · 26 posts · 9 votes
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Missouri tax are low in about 95% of the state due to most being outside major city's I own close to 100 doors and manage several hundred with the average market values being 120k(not county appraised value) and average tax just over $500 per year. These are all over the state but non in KC or STL.
Missouri tax are low in about 95% of the state due to most being outside major city's I own close to 100 doors and manage several hundred with the average market values being 120k(not county appraised value) and average tax just over $500 per year. These are all over the state but non in KC or STL.
@Susan Maneck . True about CA as most counties prop Tax is around 1% of value- however most desirable cities introduced Mello Roos or Community Development Fund tax which makes CA prop Tax around 1.9% to 2% in most desireable cities.
Yes, but property values can only rise so fast because of Prop 13 until a property changes hands. In any case property taxes in Mississippi are more like 3-4% if not owner-occupied, and that's based on what they think the property is worth. During the Recession their appraisals were higher about 25% higher than I was paying for the properties!
************************************************************** Due to Prop 13, CA is by far the best when it comes to property taxes compared to longtime hold property values (appreciation). Property taxes are a flat 1% of assessed value, then there are local voter indebtedness and other local fees, they add to the tax bill, but the actual taxes are only 1%. Typically, the total works out to be around 1.10-1.20%, I have never seen anything close to 2% in CA. And the assessed value can only increase up to 2% per year (per prop 13). So, I know people that have a 3 million dollar house that is assessed at $230k, with a tax bill around $3,200/yr, which equals around 0.11%
But, of course, CA doesn't typically cashflow well for new purchases, and is very tenant friendly.
Property Manager · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 617 votes
3y
You might want to throw in insurance for the calculation as well. While we are good on your two stats in Oklahoma historically our property insurance is a bit on the high side due to Tornado Alley. It does seem to be shifting to the east a bit which is good for us but not so much for some of our neighbors.
Lender · Rosenberg, TX · Member since 2022 · 286 posts · 130 votes
3y
Just as the Government raises taxes and fees on businesses, guess what, we all pass it to the consumer. Thanks government for being the driving force behind inflation!