As A Real Estate Investor You Must Continue Your Education

As A Real Estate Investor You Must Continue Your Education

Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2008 · 40 posts · 12 votes

With all things that are done intentionally, education comes first. Education is primary to your success in business, and in all circumstances there is an identifiable pattern of learning that leads from thought to action. When experiencing something new, first you hear about it or learn of its existence. Next you learn what it is. Then you learn how it works. And finally, you practice it, which is where experiential learning begins. This article is intended to discuss education, separate from experiential learning (but a little more on that below).

Your real estate education should not be looked at as a phase you go through, but rather as an ongoing process. This is a requirement to stay in business and to excel. There are at least three very good reasons why education should be continuous and ongoing.

One is that having new information can allow you to improve the process of what you're already doing, so that you can do it better. Another is that having new information can allow you to do new things that you're not already doing, such as implementing new profit centers in your business. A third is that the world is always changing so that knowledge needs to be continually updated to be useful.

The fastest way to develop yourself educationally is to actively seek out as many sources of education as possible on a continuing basis. There are three common modes of education to be aware of that can help inform your search.

One is private education that you digest on your own, which can include books, audio recordings, video recordings, websites, and online and offline newsletters. Another is participatory education, which involves some sort of interaction with an educator, and can include seminars or boot camps, conference calls, and webcasts. Yet one more is hands on education, which can be gotten by working with others already in the business.

This could take the form of a mentorship or an apprenticeship with another investor. You could also take advantages of all the resources of a local real estate club, either online or offline, which is dedicated to helping investors further their education in all sorts of ways.

As an ongoing business activity, your education deserves management and balancing against the other ongoing activities of your business as well as all of the other demands on your time. You should work it out however is best so as to ensure that a dedicated portion of your time and resources on a regular basis go to furthering your real estate and business education.

A final word on education from experience, or experiential learning, comes last. Education can be overrated by beginning real estate investors. While it does have a large role to play in your overall progress and success, the amount you actually learn from studying educational materials is negligible compared to the amount you learn from actually performing an action or having an experience. Keep this in perspective if you feel paralyzed by an insufficient education.

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  • Loveland, CO · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 123 votes
    18y

    Good points tonnele. I always enjoy reading your long posts on different topics. I'd like to add just a couple of points on education.

    Too many investors focus their education on REI specific things, which unfortunately means they'er spending too much time with "gurus" and not enough time learning basic skills. Newbies (and the rest of us too) need to remember that a successful RE investor is the CEO of a multi-faceted business enterprise.

    Some "basic" skills that you need to have can be picked up relatively easily in a junior college classroom. This would include at a minimum; 6 or so semester hours of introductory accounting, an introductory class on business finance, the two basic classes in economics and at least two or three classes in English and composition.

    In addition I think everyone should know how to paint-looks easy but forget about the prep and you can waste a lot of time. How to do simple sheetrock repairs, how to lay a floor, how to roof (this has made me more money than any other skill) how to do basic electrical work, how to do simple plumbing repairs and replace water heater, faucets and toilets, and how to "troubleshoot" a heat and A/C system.

    The gurus always say to ignore this stuff, for the formal education you just "need my course"! Of course then the student calls me about buying one of my notes and only knows the script, not how to do discounted cash flow analysis. They'll also tell you to hire the repairs out, spend your time finding and doing deals.

    Well even if you find the deals you probably don't have the financial wherewithal to do them all. Because you've been spending $600 instead of $200 on water heater installations (that's a discount of 67% that you've lost, or $1200 getting an interior paint job done that you could've done in you TV and Gameboy time for a couple of hundred.

    Just my $.02.

    all cash

  • Real Estate Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 218 votes
    18y

    All_Cash

    Amazing points. Some will tell you that you need to learn how to WHOLESALE or do SHORT SALES. But as you mentioned this is a business. One thing I find that most people lack is solid Marketing fundamentals. Doesn't matter if you can do a short sale if no one ever calls you with a property.

    The GURUS will say, here use these exact letters on yellow, pink, or neon green paper. But remember they are telling everyone to use that same routine. So your letter is one of 50-60 that a person in say pre-foreclosure receives.

    When was the last time you saw marketing in the sunday paper from say McDonalds, Best Buy, Home Depot, etc that was on NEON PINK paper? When was the last time you saw their marketing be the same as anyone elses word for word?

    I think I have made my point. Keep on learning, the world is forever changing so you need to keep up! Great post, great thread!

  • Real Estate Investor · Tulsa, OK · Member since 2008 · 37 posts · 0 votes
    18y

    I will be getting my feet wet, in the near future, due to buying a building for my business and leasing part of it. I'm 45 and want to spend the next 5 years building up cash and learing everything I can before I turn 50.

    I will hopefully attempt, by then, to convert my occupation to REI. I'm a regular on finance forums and have learned alot on personal finance. It's my hope to do the same on this real estate forum.

  • Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    18y

    Matt,

    That's a nice looking bike! Good luck with your REI.

    Mike

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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    18y
    Originally posted by "4rmgt":
    One thing I find that most people lack is solid Marketing fundamentals.

    Absolutely, I laugh when I see deals posted on local forums and they lack such basic stuff as contact info, a description of the property especially condition, Zip code, city, or in some cases even a price. How they do they expect to create a desire to buy without this info. Rule #1 make it esay for your customers to buy.

  • Real Estate Coach · Oakton, VA · Member since 2008 · 695 posts · 43 votes
    18y

    Great post. Too many people don't understand that in order to be successful you will be educating yourself until the day you die.

    I am a very successful investor and the more successful I have become, the more I spend on my education.

    I will spend at a minimum 25,000 this year on my education and I know that I will make 10x that amount back.

    I often tell people there are several things you can be cheap about in life, but they are NOT your lawyer, your accountant and your education.

  • Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    18y

    Real estate is a very simple business. I can't imagine why an experienced investor would spend $25,000 on education! It's funny, I've heard several people talk about spending a bunch of money on education and without exception, every one of them was in the mentoring business. Coincidence? I doubt it.

    Mike

  • Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    18y
    Originally posted by "MikeOH":

    Real estate is a very simple business.

    Yeah when it comes to holding cashflowing property - there's nothing terribly new to renting at a profit. I actually traced it back to see how far back I could find the concept of "renting" in European civilization. Earliest example I could find was about 700 A.D. 1300 years later and it is still the basic system. Chances are it won't change for another century or two.

  • Real Estate Coach · Jensen Beach, FL · Member since 2008 · 45 posts · 5 votes
    18y

    I absolutely agree...As with any business, continuing education is crucial to your success if you want to stay competitive.

    I'd recommend studying some great marketers like: Dan Kennedy, Bill Glazer, etc....You can take their marketing strategies and plug it into House Buying.

    You need to keep up with laws, tax changes (even if you have a CPA), and different real estate investing strategies. Even if you go to educate yourself on a real estate investing topic that you already know "Everything About" you will probably pick up ONE LITTLE TID BIT OF INFORMATION that could make you an extra $20,000...$30,000 that month.

  • Certified Public Accountant · Chattanooga, TN · Member since 2008 · 279 posts · 151 votes
    18y

    I have to agree with MikeOH on the point about spending $25k on real estate education every year. I don't think that is necessary to be successful. After a couple years of investing I don't think there are that many $25k programs that will teach you much more about this business. Are you spending that money in grad school to get an MBA w/ a concentration in Real Estate?

    I think the best education is to read books, stay current with the news, and focus on an specific market and become a master of it.

    The easiest way to become a millionaire in real estate is to start out with a billion dollars and then hire a guru to help you get rich. In a year or two, you'll probably be a millionaire. :lol:

  • Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    18y
    Originally posted by "423Chandler":

    The easiest way to become a millionaire in real estate is to start out with a billion dollars and then hire a guru to help you get rich. In a year or two, you'll probably be a millionaire. :lol:

    :lol: That just made my night....lol

  • Certified Public Accountant · Chattanooga, TN · Member since 2008 · 279 posts · 151 votes
    18y

    I thought you might make you laugh. I actually picked that line up off of a famous investor who used it to describe investing in the airline industry. I just modified it to fit the real estate field. :D

  • Investor · GA · Member since 2008 · 44 posts · 8 votes
    18y

    I read everything I can get my hands on from Fortune magazine to the GAREIA newsletter to other investors blogs and ezines.

    I try to listen to podcast and CD's on most days that I am driving.

    I think a combination of books, CD's, courses and practical application and daily action will help you in your journey towards learning more and making the real estate work for you.

    What books are you all reading right now?

  • Real Estate Investor · Hoboken, NJ · Member since 2008 · 230 posts · 6 votes
    18y

    I think that continuing education is important, though I agree with Mike and others that $25k seems a bit excessive.

    I would put forth however that staying up to date with current RE news, and trends may be equally as important if not more important. Knowing what is happening on a national level(or international level depending on your portfolio) is important as is knowing what is happening in your local market.

    Either way however it never hurts to do more education, at worst it reinforces what you already know, at best you learn something new!!

    On a side note (and not to hijack the thread... but)... I did not know that you could get an MBA with a concentration in Real Estate. Where would one look to attend for such training?

  • Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    18y
    Originally posted by "Ashamann01":

    I would put forth however that staying up to date with current RE news, and trends may be equally as important if not more important. Knowing what is happening on a national level(or international level depending on your portfolio) is important as is knowing what is happening in your local market.

    Very true. Actually the international level affects us all no matter where are portfolios are located. I've been converting US Dollar savings to precious metals since 2005. Why? Well US paper (US Debt, promissory notes, etc...) is internationally known as "liar's paper".

  • Certified Public Accountant · Chattanooga, TN · Member since 2008 · 279 posts · 151 votes
    18y

    Hey Ashamann,

    One program that I know of is Georgia State's, J. Mack Robinson School of Business. Attached is a link.

    http://robinson.gsu.edu/realestate/programs/grad/mba.html

    Georgia State is a legitimate college in Atlanta, Georgia. They are actually in the Southern Conference if you follow sports. I can not speak to the quality of the program, but it might be worth looking into if you want to get an MBA with a Real Estate concentration. If you hear anything good, bad, etc about it, please let know.

  • Certified Public Accountant · Chattanooga, TN · Member since 2008 · 279 posts · 151 votes
    18y

    Correction:

    I mispoke when I said Georgia State is in the Southern Conference. They are actually in the CAA (Colonial Athletic Association). Sorry

  • Real Estate Investor · Bergen County, NJ · Member since 2008 · 390 posts · 72 votes
    18y

    I don't know which schools have MBA programs with a concentration in RE, but if you are sure you want to focus on real estate and work for yourself, I'd look into a masters degree. An MBA is more general degree which teaches managment skills and CONCENTRATES in an area hence the concentration part. If I wanted to work for an organization, this is probably a good route to go because you have more options...

    A masters degree will focus on whatever subject you are learning about- real estate development and real estate management are two masters programs out there.

    Bently and Cloumbia I believe have Masters in Real Estate Management degress. I know someone who is about to finish up the program at Bentley. There is a emphasis on analysis, forecasting and evaluation in this program I believe.

    Masters in Real Estate Development is another degree program.

    USC is a top school for that program I believe, Columbia, ASU and MIT also offer them....

    I'm tired of typing.... I would try googling and it should provide you with some good information.

    Also try princetonreview.com

  • Real Estate Coach · Oakton, VA · Member since 2008 · 695 posts · 43 votes
    18y

    I got criticized for spending 25k on my education this year and I love it. The reason I spend that much is because I am thinking BIG. I already own dozens of properties, but I don't want to stop there. A true entreprenur wants to continually improve and grow.

    My education teaches me how to improve my systems so that I can buy more houses, make more money and do all of this faster.

    If anyone has read the book the E-Myth by Michael Gerber, you can understand. I am constantly improving my business, so it operates like a McDonald's franchise-turnkey.

    Life is short folks, why settle for 50 houses when you can have 500.

  • Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    18y

    Jason,

    If a person has successfully purchased and is operating 50 rentals, then they already know how to do 500. There is nothing difficult about the rental property business and there are no "secrets" to learn that warrant spending $25,000 in a year on education. In addition, if you have more than a dozen SFHs, it might be time to start thinking about moving up to multis, as that's how most people build a larger portfolio.

    There, I gave you the answer free and you can spend your $25K on a rental!

    Good Luck,

    Mike

  • Investor · GA · Member since 2008 · 44 posts · 8 votes
    18y
    Originally posted by "Primo_Coach":
    If anyone has read the book the E-Myth by Michael Gerber, you can understand. I am constantly improving my business, so it operates like a McDonald's franchise-turnkey.

    I am reading the Emyth now and it does teach you to think big and to be organized and scale-able (think McDonalds, Starbucks, Dominoe's).

    I have been investing for 4 years. In my first year I had not read the first investing book other than taking a university course that I made a C in.

    Every year since then - I have read more, listened to more CD's and podcast, and attended more GAREIA meetings, workshops and seminars.

    Every year I do more and more deals and seem to be making less mistake and now all of our 7 quad apartments are fully rented.

    I plan on making a bigger committment in the next 12 months to learning, networking and growing our real estate business.

  • Real Estate Investor · Hoboken, NJ · Member since 2008 · 230 posts · 6 votes
    18y
    Originally posted by "PrimoCoach":
    I got criticized for spending 25k on my education this year and I love it. The reason I spend that much is because I am thinking BIG. I already own dozens of properties, but I don't want to stop there. A true entreprenur wants to continually improve and grow.

    If you get your money back then it is certainly worth it. For myself I have trouble envisioning spending that kind of money as it would equal about 30% of my current salary :P However I am in the process of purchasing only my first unit, not my 50th :)

    To 423Chandler and robmack thanks, I looked into this some more and it appears that there are ton's of schools that offer either a masters of science in real estate development, or a MBA with a concentration in real estate. Columbia has one that was most intriguing to myself as I live just outside of Manhattan and my ultimate goal with REI would take me into Manhattan. I imagine its about $70k for a year there... at least thats what they are asking for an MBA, but at the same time I am sure they have some unbelievable connections to get you going in the world of real estate so its certainly worth looking into :) But enough of that, I don't want to hijack this thread any more :) I may open up a new one when I have some more information.

  • Real Estate Coach · Oakton, VA · Member since 2008 · 695 posts · 43 votes
    18y

    Brad,

    You certainly have the right idea and understand the value of education. The more money you invest in your education the more money you will make.

    There is an old quote about if you want to know the size of a man's bank account, all you need to do is look at the size of his library.

    Also, you mentioned you read the E-Myth, well Michael Gerber just came out with an incredible new book called Awakening The Entrepreneur Within.

    Keep educating yourself and ignore anyone who tells you otherwise, because if your bank account is not already bigger than theirs, it will be soon.

  • Real Estate Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 218 votes
    18y

    I think the issue here is how much you should spend on your education. There isn't a person here that is saying you don't need to keep learning and staying up with the trends.

    While I agree that 25K a year is a little pricey, you do need to spend to stay up to date. Paying for memberships to clubs, subscriptions, buying an occasional CD set so you can listen as you drive (Drive time is a great time for education not listening to TUNES).

    Now if the 25K is talking about learning from mistakes while investing, then yes I know I have lost more than 25K on deals (be it real money or lost profits) but I learned from those mistakes and don't make them anymore. So, you are spending on your education no matter how you slice it.

    Each person is unique and learns differently. They also need to learn different things. Like this weekend is the NFL Draft. I see the Dolphins have signed the 1st pick, so then the star QB when will he be drafted? Well the team at 2 doesn't need a QB, but maybe the Falcons do? If not the Ravens further down.

    You see, each team needs different things, just like people need different things. That is why no "Cookie Cutter" plan will work for you. You have to learn how to make the choices, develop the system, etc for yourself. Having one handed to you will only get you so far.

  • Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    18y
    Originally posted by "Primo_Coach":

    There is an old quote about if you want to know the size of a man's bank account, all you need to do is look at the size of his library.

    Curious - where is this quote from? Haven't been able to track down who said it.

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