Investing out of state PROS / CONS MILWAUKEE WI

Investing out of state PROS / CONS MILWAUKEE WI

Shawn AckermanPro Member
Real Estate Entrepreneur · Mid West, East Coast · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes

Hello All,  Thanks for taking the time to read through my experience.  What I am going to share is what I have learned through the years, good and bad.  I would like to share my experience with you so that you may be better at doing it virtually.

1. Picking a market - When I picked the Milwaukee WI market I had a few metrics must haves - Price to rent ratio(needed to have a 2% minimum), Landlord Tenant Laws - The market must have a relatively owner friendly approach to evictions(Gov't moratoriums aside), Ability to build a team, low cost of entry(not the best determining factor as cheap properties can be misleading on paper vs performance) and multi-family availability.

2. Team - Created a relationship with Property managers - This has been up and down honestly(as I don't own the management companies so cannot implement my exact systems and practices. It's taken me 5 years to finally get this right.  Realtor - Need a solid realtor for comps, understanding of different nuances in the market(Milwaukee is real block by block in high cash flow areas), title company, insurance company and contractors.  

3. Deals - I've been fortunate enough to learn the skill of sourcing my own deals(Direct to seller). This has allowed me to grow a rental portfolio at wholesale prices. Nothing wrong with MLS or buying from wholesalers but you are paying a middle man fee when going those routes.

4. Maintenance. - I've learned that it is now best to either buy vacant, tenant proof, place tenant.  Initially I always looked for occupied units to buy but this strategy presents the issue of having to renovate a unit around a tenant.  There are limitations with this and usually results in alot of nick nack repairs along the way.  I've learned that must replacements are Plumbing, electrical(upgrades from fuse to circuits, roofs)

5. Scaling - I learned that judging a market bye one or two units was a waste of time.  It was only to I reached about 14 doors where I feel that I can accurately account for how the properties(asset class) was performing.  Utilizing the delayed financing strategy has helped me tremendously.

6. Strategy - Are you a multi-family, single family, lease option, section 8 $30-$50K, $50K - $80K + investor? Are you cash flow, appreciation, middle of the road style investor?  I've learned that the Niche is important to my style of investing.  I started as a sub $30K investor in D areas but have transitioned to a more appreciation, lower cash flow B class type of asset.  

I Really hope this helps someone. GO BUCKS!!!!

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  • Real Estate Syndicator · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 907 votes
    6y

    Thanks for sharing your experience in the Milwaukee market!  I also invest and live in Milwaukee.  I agree with the target of B class properties.

  • Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2014 · 30 posts · 14 votes
    6y

    Shawn, excellent advice.  Thanks for sharing.  Are you still finding the ability to achieve a  2% rent ratio in Milwaukee?

  • Shawn AckermanPro Member
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    Real Estate Entrepreneur · Mid West, East Coast · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @Jared Tillery yes, We are still achieving 2% but I am looking for them in better areas which is making the search harder. One strategy I have been using lately is instead of straight rentals, I’m doing lease with option to buy. This helps keep the P2R %👆🏽  With less overhead I.e mgt, vacancy, capex and routine maintenance. I’ve actually done one with a tri-plex. And it is going well. Thanks for asking man. 

  • Shawn AckermanPro Member
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    Real Estate Entrepreneur · Mid West, East Coast · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @Brock Mogensen thanks man. Yeah it’s been a transition for me. Started out a “D” class guy. I still hold a lot of those but looking more and more at equity plays. I enjoy seeing your journey on the commercial side man. Keep doing your thing💪🏽

  • Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2014 · 30 posts · 14 votes
    6y

    @Shawn Ackerman, That sounds like an excellent strategy. Are you able to give the buyers competitive rates or are you going above market rates since its a sellers market currently?  

  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    6y

    You have to be careful with that @Jared Tillery. The Sarbane Oxley Act has changed how lease options work; most importantly you can no longer apply collected rent towards down payment, because that would be considered a form of financing and you need a loan originators license. You can still credit the deposit towards the down payment.

    Financing is usually done by a third party lender, although you could seller finance the deal too, but the point of the system is to cash out. Maybe I should explain, here is how it works:

    Simple Lease Option: you buy a house and lease it to a tenant, who also signs a second contract, which is an option to buy, which gives the tenant the exclusive right to buy the property after the lease is up for a set price. They pay for this right a non refundable option fee. If they can get a bank loan after one year (most will not) they get the security deposit and the option money as down payment and close the deal. If they don't you get to keep the option fee and refund the security deposit after they move out w no damages.

    Sandwhich lease option: same thing, but you don't own the property. You lease option it from the owner. Usually you try to get a 5 or ten year term with the owner and give a one year term to the final tenant. When the tenant exercises the option to purchase, you do the same with the owner and then double close. 

    Wndy Patton sells books and courses for lease options, look her up if you want to know more. There are others too. Most of the books have been written before Surbane Oxley though, so be careful with that part. 

  • Shawn AckermanPro Member
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    Real Estate Entrepreneur · Mid West, East Coast · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @Jared Tillery thanks for the question. I keep my L/O pretty simple. Purchase price/lease term/monthly payment/monthly deduction that goes toward down payment/deductible for large cap ex items.

    With regard to market rates, I only concern myself with what the market rents are. With many of my L/O I am right at market or slightly higher. Again no utilities/mgt/lawn care& snow. No tenant turn over ver/evictions etc. oh and the best part, I get a non-refundable deposit of $3k-$5k plus first months R/S before the keys are handed over.

    All the best man

  • Calvin OzanickBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Janesville, WI · Member since 2017 · 708 posts · 297 votes
    6y

    Shawn, 

    I live and work as a property manager and RE agent in the Janesville and Beloit market just west of you in Milwaukee. This market has shown some really strong market trends as it relates to job growth, population growth and overall development that have shown to have very positive effects on the rental market. I would love to take some time to chat about the market and see if there is any way to work together in the near future! Best of luck as you continue on. 

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  • Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2014 · 30 posts · 14 votes
    6y

    Thank you Shawn and Marcus for the clarifications.   That makes much more sense to me.  

    I have been interested in some of the seller-financing/LO techniques but have not researched it yet. 

  • Shawn AckermanPro Member
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    Real Estate Entrepreneur · Mid West, East Coast · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @Calvin Ozanick That would be great man.  I know that in Milwaukee there is a large multi-family presence would you say that is similar in the referenced areas? Price to rent 2% doable?  I ask because I would consider sharing our discussion details with some of my NY or CA investors.  For many of them that is their primary focus.

  • Shawn AckermanPro Member
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    Real Estate Entrepreneur · Mid West, East Coast · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    Hey @Jared Tillery anytime man!!!

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