I need advice with my wholesaling business please!!

I need advice with my wholesaling business please!!

New to Real Estate · Columbus, OH · Member since 2020 · 15 posts · 13 votes

Good morning! My boyfriend and I are going into Real Estate together and we started wholesaling a few months ago, but we are struggling to make much progress... We did a 3 month program that would guide us along the path, but when it comes down to it, we get stuck on how to make a good offer on a house that our buyers would be interested in. I've seen other wholesalers post deals upon deals with contracts for assignment and it seems like they know everything about what to get the house for. We will spend hours on one lead trying to find out what a good price for it would be but we don't understand how other wholesalers get the right price when there are so many factors that go into it and it depends on each buyer. We have typically sent the properties to the buyers to see what they would want it for, but by that point, at least for the last few deals, there will be an offer made on the house already... I guess we just don't move quick enough. What do you guys do to be able to find the buy price? We get stuck on ARV's and repair costs. Please comment any suggestions!!

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Investor · Richmond, VA · Member since 2020 · 111 posts · 138 votes
5y

@Kelsey Gabhart If you have Propstream, you have a very powerful tool at your disposal. I use it for my business. Enter the address of the subject property. On the detail page, note the # of Bedrooms, Baths, and square footage. On the lower third area of the page, click on comparables. By default, it will return all sales transacted in the last year (emphasis on the previous 90 days). You have three primary options to select, cash sales only, MLS only, or both. I'd recommend the MLS option because it will let you know what people are buying at retail, and it will have the pictures submitted with the listing. Once you have done this, take these steps:

1. Adjust your distance filter to 0.5 miles

    Note: Ideally, you want homes sold on the same street or very close in that neighborhood. You have a map that indicates where the comps are, so be mindful of major highways, roadways, etc., that may serve as boundaries for the neighborhood. Also, certain areas will require you to expand the distance a bit (e.g., rural areas), but try to keep it tight as possible.

    2. Set your max beds and baths to the same as your subject property

      Note: This will ensure your returns are structurally pretty close. If you have many comps that are different configurations, the Comp analysis will still allow you to examine Price/SqFt.

      3. Next, sort your comps by sale price and examine the list more thoroughly.

        Note: If you select MLS only (my recommendation), you will have images. Look for the ones staged for showings or new hardwoods, updated kitchens, updated bathrooms, etc. Exclude the ones that were sold on MLS that may be fixer-uppers, for example, a SFH sold at 40K, because that doesn't represent what a comp would sell for after repair.

        4. Refine further if needed.

          Note: You want to have 5-10 comps available, if possible.

          5. Click Save Comps

            After this, run a Comparative Market Analysis and Comp Report. It will generate a PDF with all the Comps you selected, photos, and will provide a breakdown of key metrics, including, but not limited to, an estimated ARV based upon the Average Sale Price/SqFt, which is multiplied by the square footage of your subject property.

            Two other recommendations:

            I'd recommend reviewing the market analysis of the neighborhood/zip code, including the sales trends. They are informative and provide a lot of insight, such as how long the average property stays on MLS before it is sold in that area.

            Additionally, get familiar with the Real Estate cycle, for example, whether it's a buyer's market or seller's market, and how local factors affect sales prices. It can help you with decisions on slight adjustments to ARV. Furthermore, if you network with RE Agents in your local market, such as your local REIA or Hard Money lenders, you can bounce your estimated ARV off of them. In my experience, both types are very happy to share their expertise and experience and to help you learn. The local REIA is where you find individuals like this because that's what the REIA is about—bringing people with various sets of expertise and experience together to add value to one another's RE business.

            As far as repair costs, network with a local contractor and get a rough idea about what common fixes cost (kitchen, floors, bathroom, etc.), including what a full rehab would be. I have used a tiered method for some homes, such as light, moderate, heavy rehab, and used an estimated price per SqFt for others. I also occasionally use a guide that a contractor put together for RE investor, which is way more detailed and complex. You don’t really have the time to do that much analysis, though, and can’t unless you are walking the property. So, get good at estimating repairs and add 5K (depending on how it looks) as a reserve because you don’t know what you will find. If your offer is accepted and you are under contract, use your due-diligence period to have a contractor/professional assess the repairs needed, and concur or challenge your estimate. Use your best comp as a guide for your SOW. Also, know that an experienced end buyer will also do their own diligence, so you just need to be close, not perfect. The better you get though, the more professional respect you'll generate amongst your cash buyers.

            Hope that helps!

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            • Member since 2020 · 339 posts · 356 votes
              5y
              Originally posted by @Vincent Riboni:

              @Jay Hinrichs

              I agree, and there lies my issue. How do I find my own deals when being licensed? It feels unethical not to try to get them the most money for their property. It seems it would almost be more manageable if I were not licensed. That way, I can come to them as an investor first.

              That is one of the reasons I don’t get a realtors license , I don’t want to be liable or answer to any organization .I don’t want to have a requirement to reveal I’m a real estate agent when selling or buying . It’s nobodies business in my view 

            • Member since 2020 · 11 posts · 4 votes
              5y

              @Kelsey Gabhart look into jerry Nortons members flipping mastery program. I've known about wholesaling for 3 weeks and followed his program. I've already got a deal for 10k locked up and expected to close Dec. 21st!

            • Real Estate Agent · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2015 · 17 posts · 1 vote
              5y

              @Dennis Wayne

              I can see that for sure.

              Personally, I've networked and have a number to call to fix any issue imaginable because I got licensed, and I'm active in the field. Which I personally, likely, wouldn't have done as fast if I wasn't licensed. I've also been sidetracked into selling real estate instead of investing in real estate, though.

              I planned to get licensed and learn the ins and outs backend of real estate, which I certainly have in my two years, but now I want to refocus my business on investments and investors, which was the plan from the beginning.

            • Investor · Palmdale · Member since 2016 · 112 posts · 80 votes
              5y

              You need to study your market. That takes time and effort. I would suggest going on redfin.com. This site is like the mls in that they remove homes that are pending or sold, quickly off the site. Focusing on a specific part of the city is the most efficient way of learning prices. Pay attention to which properties sell the fastest and for what price. Also, you might want to network with RE agents and if you ever come across a seller that wants to sell on the open market, refer it back to them in exchange for them offering a price opinion. Most importantly study your market. Look every day. I focus on 3 zip codes in my area and if someone were to tell me the sq ft, lot size, bed count and address I will know the arv within a couple minutes. Eventually you will get to the point where it becomes effortless. 

            • Ryan GarrisonPro Member
              Rental Property Investor · Olympia, WA · Member since 2017 · 236 posts · 83 votes
              5y

              @Maurice Smith excellent reply, sir

            • Specialist · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 852 votes
              5y

              @Kelsey Gabhart

              Congratulations on getting started! If I were to give you one piece of advice to follow it would be too identify a strong market to work in and master that market. It makes it way easier to move fast when you know if somethings a deal or not.

              You have to move fast, when I make a decision to buy, I can do it based off of pictures and usually within 3 to 5 minutes after a couple of questions feel very comfortable putting a contract on a property.

              Using a software that does the bidding process for you for repair cost that only helps you know how much it will be, it also gives you ammo with the seller to lower the price.

              There is so much to tell you and I don’t want to make this post into a novel LOL

              Feel free to reach out to me if you want to jump on a call for five minutes with some questions.

              Best of luck! You can absolutely do this!

            • Ian WalshBusiness Member
              Lender · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
              5y

              It sounds like you have identified the problem.  You need to learn your market and know when you have a deal in front of you.  Getting good at comps takes time but eventually it only takes a couple minutes.

            • New to Real Estate · Columbus, OH · Member since 2020 · 15 posts · 13 votes
              5y

              @Caleb Johnson Oh I didn't know that was on Bigger Pockets! Thank you for letting me know, that is very helpful! I'm definetly going to do a lot of research there. Thanks again!

            • New to Real Estate · Columbus, OH · Member since 2020 · 15 posts · 13 votes
              5y

              @Caleb Johnson Oh I didn't know that was on Bigger Pockets! Thank you for letting me know, that is very helpful! I'm definetly going to do a lot of research there. Thanks again!


            • New to Real Estate · Columbus, OH · Member since 2020 · 15 posts · 13 votes
              5y

              @Devin Meriwether, I have listened to a couple of his videos on youtube, and I just got through a program with another place, but that could be a potential opportunity for me to try. Does he help when it comes to repair costs?

            • New to Real Estate · Columbus, OH · Member since 2020 · 15 posts · 13 votes
              5y

              @Rob Gillespie Thank you for all your support and advice! I sent you a message!

            • Real Estate Broker · Portland, OR · Member since 2019 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
              5y
              Originally posted by @Dennis Wayne:
              Originally posted by @Vincent Riboni:

              @Jay Hinrichs

              That is one of the reasons I don’t get a realtors license , I don’t want to be liable or answer to any organization 

              In OR, you arrange the sale of real estate in expectation of a fee, you're breaking the law.  Sorry about the liability.

            • Member since 2020 · 339 posts · 356 votes
              5y
              Originally posted by @Steve Morris:
              Originally posted by @Dennis Wayne:
              Originally posted by @Vincent Riboni:

              @Jay Hinrichs

              That is one of the reasons I don’t get a realtors license , I don’t want to be liable or answer to any organization 

              In OR, you arrange the sale of real estate in expectation of a fee, you're breaking the law.  Sorry about the liability.

              Look If you own it then the legal aspect doesn’t matter as far as selling or buying I’d rather remain anonymous and in business sometimes  you don’t want to draw attention to yourself  or open yourself up to be litigated against 

            • Real Estate Broker · Portland, OR · Member since 2019 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
              5y
              Originally posted by @Dennis Wayne:
            • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
              Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
              5y

              very simple you buy the property  do not represent them.. 

              and put a disclosure in your offer.

              1.  I am an agent

              2. I am buying this property for profit or loss.

              Actually close on the property then do with it what you want ..  thats what i have done for 4 decades.. 

              its the undisclosed middle man fee thats the issue.. and ripping equity .. 

            • Rental Property Investor · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 69 posts · 28 votes
              5y

              Thank you for the tips, @Maurice Smith! I subscribed to Propstream recently because of its potential but have nowhere near tapped into it. My initial plan is to spend time learning how to find deals, as I get better at it, I'd like to buy the ones I can to flip or hold as a rental depending on what makes the most sense for that particular property and wholesale the ones that don't fit my investing model and goals.

              I jumped on the FB page as well.

              I am also investing in and around Pittsburgh @Jesse Krall. Request to connect sent!

            • Rental Property Investor · Carlisle, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 543 votes
              5y

              @Maurice Smith, thank you for taking the time to post that response.  I am not a wholesaler, but a buyer, and the amount of wholesalers that put me on their list and I delete after two months is frustrating.  You did a great job of simplifying a topic that most wholesalers don't care to understand.  Well done!

            • Contractor · Hoschton, GA · Member since 2015 · 62 posts · 32 votes
              5y

              @Maurice Smith thank you for your advise. Instead of some people (don’t want mention a couple people) criticizing and mentioning waste of 3 months you are able to give a step by step process to assist. Great advise!

            • Investor · Richmond, VA · Member since 2020 · 111 posts · 138 votes
              5y

              I appreciate that and you know @Steve Yoo, you are absolutely right. There are definitely some serial contributors who, 1. aren't wholesalers, and 2. vehemently proclaim they will not do business with wholesalers; therefore, they are not cash buyers. Yet, for some odd reason, they insist on posting their opinions about wholesaling while often failing to answer the original poster's actual question.

              It's rather disappointing, because it's often a young person or those who are new to investing, with a desire to start something that may impact their lives. All too often, when "wholesaling" is mentioned in the posting, their first exposure to this community is someone replying with snarky and somewhat belittling remarks.

              I'm on here to network, learn, and grow, not to tear someone else down. If I can share something I know or add value to the conversation, I will speak up. Otherwise, I'll do what my parents taught me if I don't have anything nice to say, I'll be quiet.

              Thank you for your post and all the other investors that kept it positive and brought some great perspectives and solutions for the original poster.

            • Flipper/Rehabber · Redlands, CA · Member since 2020 · 1 post · 1 vote
              5y

              @Kelsey Gabhart use the golden formula. Stick to it and stop over thinking it. You can't go wrong. Know how much before you even speak to the seller.(ball park) practice running comps. You'll learn as you go. Talk to contractors. Find a mentor. Hang out at Home Depot ask questions about how much it cost for roof, landscaping, plumbing. 70% ARV -repairs..=offer. Good luck to you.

            • New to Real Estate · Burlington NC · Member since 2020 · 2 posts · 1 vote
              5y

              @Kelsey Gabhart

              Hey Kelsey one thing that I have learned during my wholesale business is using resources such as YouTube there’s a really good guy on there called Flipping mastery TV. This guy is a pure genius and has this wholesale business down to a pact and can answer all of your questions 10 times over and more. I STRONGLY recommend you viewing him. He offers some very insightful information.

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