Is NY or NJ better to invest as first property?

Is NY or NJ better to invest as first property?

New to Real Estate · New York, NY · Member since 2018 · 28 posts · 24 votes

Hi Bigger Pockets members.

I am a first time real estate investor who is looking to invest in NJ or NY (within 1 hour ride to Manhattan).

My budget is max $500,000.

Which town would you recommend to look into for an investment property?

Also, any tips you can give in terms of finding a website where I can do more research about investment worthy neighborhoods?

Looking forward to your tips!

Thanks,

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Darren SagerPro Member
Investor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
5y

My personal opinion is that no first time investor should consider Newark as it has some of the strongest language with rent control that I've ever read.  Unless you have serious systems in place you can easily get burned there.  Regardless of crime @Julia Sung.   As a first time investor you should chase easy & low maintenance for a good experience to build upon, not higher returns.  If you chase high returns and you're not set up properly for them, bad things can happen which effect those returns.   Just my 2 cents.  

As for which state overall is better? Personally I lean towards NJ as NY has put into effect state wide rent control. And I personally believe that NJ is a bit more landlord friendly, however not by much.  

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  • Real Estate Agent · Princeton, NJ · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Julia Sung - investments are very personal. Some areas have higher expected appreciation (think Hoboken). Some areas have higher expected cash flow (think Camden, Trenton, student housing rentals). Which game do you want to play? I met a guy who syndicates apartments. He lives near Denver Colorado. If he had focused on Denver Colorado, he’d probably be worth 3-5x more what he is now after buying in cheaper states because the appreciation went crazy. But it’s not entirely predictable. Who would have thought you could buy a house and sell it for 3-5x as much in San Francisco between 2009 and today, meanwhile probably not cash flowing at all. In Trenton New Jersey I have met many investors buying older row homes for $30-60k and renting for $1100-1400/month with about $3000/year of taxes.

  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2016 · 531 posts · 310 votes
    5y

    @Julia Sung I just moved out of the city but I lived there when I started investing so I ran into this same issue.  Within 1 hour of the city is a little difficult if you are looking for cash flow.

    Edision, Newark, New Brunswick potentially, when you go up to 1.5/2 hours out you have better options with mercer county in NJ

  • New to Real Estate · New York, NY · Member since 2018 · 28 posts · 24 votes
    5y

    Thanks so much for your advice, @Antonio Cucciniello! 
    I also looked into Newark, but it seems like the neighborhood has a bit higher crime rate than I would’ve liked! I’m not sure if that assumption is correct!

  • Daniel GonzalezPro Member
    Real Estate Investor · Maplewood, NJ · Member since 2017 · 127 posts · 47 votes
    5y

    @Julia Sung Do you plan to live in the property or use it strictly as an investment? 

    Your 500k budget is pretty healthy, you have enough for downpayment and reno if needed. There are many decent SFRs that you can buy at that price point. If you plan to live there you could have roommates and cut down your living expenses while cash flowing. You could get a multi but can be tough to cash flow now in desirable areas such as Morristown or Jersey City. You could do well in an owner-occupied triplex. you'll be able to get in at 3.5% FHA which isn't a bad way to start.

    If you plan to live in the property, spend a Saturday and Sunday driving around areas that interest you. From there you can see what inventory is available in that town and neighboring towns. 

    Good luck

  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2016 · 531 posts · 310 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Julia Sung:

    Thanks so much for your advice, @Antonio Cucciniello! 
    I also looked into Newark, but it seems like the neighborhood has a bit higher crime rate than I would’ve liked! I’m not sure if that assumption is correct!

    No you are definitely correct there! Are you living there? If so it makes things a little more complicated 

  • Darren SagerPro Member
    Investor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    My personal opinion is that no first time investor should consider Newark as it has some of the strongest language with rent control that I've ever read.  Unless you have serious systems in place you can easily get burned there.  Regardless of crime @Julia Sung.   As a first time investor you should chase easy & low maintenance for a good experience to build upon, not higher returns.  If you chase high returns and you're not set up properly for them, bad things can happen which effect those returns.   Just my 2 cents.  

    As for which state overall is better? Personally I lean towards NJ as NY has put into effect state wide rent control. And I personally believe that NJ is a bit more landlord friendly, however not by much.  

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2020 · 52 posts · 25 votes
    5y

    Hey Julia. I'm a newbie investor in northern NJ with 1 door, working on the next 1-2. I've found that, aside from the towns that have been mentioned here, looking in Sussex and Warren Counties might make sense. You may still be within an hour of NYC. Taxes and home prices are lower. That being said, so are rents, but it's not impossible to find investments that make sense from a numbers perspective.

    As you get into these more rural areas, do be aware that you may end up looking at properties that have septics and well water. This isn't necessarily a deal breaker for some, but I try to steer away from these kinds of properties, myself.

  • Real Estate Agent · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2017 · 69 posts · 56 votes
    5y

    Hi Julia

    I'm a real estate agent and investor in both NJ and NY, so this hits home for me. 

    Lot's of aspects to cover such as the goal and how much you want/are comfortable with managing. My partners and I see NYC downtrending in many higher income areas as far as appreciation goes. NJ is booming, some areas have increased as much as 10-15% in appreciation over the past couple years so thats massive (not to mention the rents are through the roof as well). 

    For this reason, I also agree NJ is the way to go. As Darren said, Newark (and similar areas such as East Orange etc..) might be a bit of a challenge for a newer investor. However, I wouldn't let that stop you without at least looking into the area(s) firsthand with someone experienced in those locations. Most of the tenant issues I've experienced or have seen could have been mitigated with proper tenant screening and a solid lease agreement. The way I see it is: more time invested = more potential profit. Less time invested and more comfort = less potential profit.

    There are plenty of areas to look at so I would suggest doing a tour of the area and go from there. Bergen, Essex, Hudson, Passaic, and Union County are going to be your preferred choices given the distance criteria you supplied.

  • New to Real Estate · New York, NY · Member since 2018 · 28 posts · 24 votes
    5y

    Thank you so much @Natalie Schanne!

    I’ll definitely make a consideration of your advice. I’m playing more around student housing idea. Bit of cash flow and good appreciation down 5-10 years would be ideal.


    thank you!

  • New to Real Estate · New York, NY · Member since 2018 · 28 posts · 24 votes
    5y

    @Antonio Cucciniello, No I live in NYC but looking for an investment property near Manhattan!

  • New to Real Estate · New York, NY · Member since 2018 · 28 posts · 24 votes
    5y

    @Darren Sager, that’s a great advice. Didn’t know that Newark had one of the strongest languages in rent control. Thank you so much! I’ll highly take your 2 cents into a consideration. 

  • New to Real Estate · New York, NY · Member since 2018 · 28 posts · 24 votes
    5y

    @Account Closed, Hey Erik. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I’m bit relieved to see there’s someone like myself in bigger pockets community! Everyone seems so expert here on the platform! I’ll definitely look into Sussex and Warren counties as you advised! Septic and well water too! Thanks so much :)

  • New to Real Estate · New York, NY · Member since 2018 · 28 posts · 24 votes
    5y

    @David Da Silva thanks so much, David. I’ll take a good considerations in your advice! Will do more research on those towns that you’ve recommended. Thank you so much!

  • Real Estate Agent · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2020 · 46 posts · 34 votes
    5y

    As a beginner investor, you have a healthy budget to get started! 

    I am a licensed Realtor in the KC area of Kansas, and when identifying "investment-worthy" neighborhoods for my clients, I take a holistic approach to evaluating the area.

    I don't use one single website, but I use City_Data to help gauge the employment, crime, population income, and other nitty gritty data of each specific zipcode or tract. I analyze the potential cash flow of each door by taking into account market rents (recently rented out properties) along with property taxes and purchase price of the home. Even using basic tools such as Trulia's "shop and eat, crime, and schools" tab helps you get an idea of whether or not the property is located in a good school district, safe area, or amenity-rich neighborhood. 

    The KC housing market can be a cash cow, but analyzing each property with a 360 lens is imperative to succeed in the long game of investing. 

    Happy investing, and let me know if you have more questions!

  • New to Real Estate · New York, NY · Member since 2018 · 28 posts · 24 votes
    5y

    Oh wow! Thank you so much @Rachel Morrow! This is extremely helpful doing my research. I will definitely look into all your suggestions. Thank you so much!! Really appreciated :) 🙏🙏

  • Real Estate Agent · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2020 · 46 posts · 34 votes
    5y

    @Julia Sung Absolutely! Excited to see you succeed in your first investment!

  • Member since 2020 · 5 posts · 4 votes
    5y

    @Darren Sager @Julia Sung in Newark, if you owner occupy and you have no more than 4 units, you are exempt from rent control ordinance. 

    https://www.newarknj.gov/depar...

    I have a duplex in Newark and one unit is being rented furnished short to midterm to traveling medical professionals and I am doing very well with that. Something to consider. I live here with no issues regarding crime. You just have to choose the right neighborhood. 

    I would seek out a 4plex and allocate units as follows to achieve diversification 

    1. Owner occupy

    2. Furnished short to mid-term

    3. Section 8

    4. Market Rent 

    Prices are sky high right now making cash flow difficult, but if you find a deal don’t move too slowly. 



  • New to Real Estate · New York, NY · Member since 2018 · 28 posts · 24 votes
    5y

    @Heba Girgiss Oh great! Thank you for the information Heba! I will check it out as well as you mentioned. Thank you so much! 🙏

  • Specialist · Easton, PA · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5y

    @Julia Sung

    If you go 1.5 hours from the city into Pa, $500k goes a long way

  • New to Real Estate · New York, NY · Member since 2018 · 28 posts · 24 votes
    5y

    Haha yes @Matt M.! I totally agree! I could only wish NY had PA price!

  • Aubri ParedesPro Member
    Investor · Rahway, NJ · Member since 2021 · 21 posts · 10 votes
    5y

    @Heba Girgiss

    I’m also looking to owner occupy in Newark. Which part of Newark do you own your property in?

  • Member since 2020 · 5 posts · 4 votes
    5y

    @Aubri Paredes I’m in North Newark closer to Bloomfield

  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2016 · 531 posts · 310 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Julia Sung:

    @Antonio Cucciniello, No I live in NYC but looking for an investment property near Manhattan!

    Ok my recommendation would be then that you go a little farther out! 

  • Darren SagerPro Member
    Investor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Heba Girgiss

    After being a real estate investor for more than 20 years I highly disagree with your approach for buy and hold in Newark. If you read the law you’ll see that it applies to even single family rentals of the owners don’t live in a unit. So on the short term can you initially purchase there as an owner occupant and skirt the law allowing you to operate in a free market? Yes. And the moment you leave will you ever be able to achieve market rents? No. Along with the paperwork required to raise rents and the rental registration procedures it makes operating there quite challenging hence why I personally don’t recommend it to a newer investor. I’ve had clients with multiple properties that owned in the iron bound for more than a hundred years sell because Newark made it so difficult to operate there. And they had systems in place. My thoughts on Newark have always been the same: Caveat Emptor. There are those who think they can do it their way and those who already know how things actually work. Doesn’t mean you can’t make money there. It just comes along with a whole lotta extra that no newer investors ever talk about here on BiggerPockets. Most likely because they’re not following the law and regulations to operate there.

  • Member since 2020 · 5 posts · 4 votes
    5y

    @Darren Sager I posted the ordinance. Read the exceptions term under definitions. And I never said anything about skirting the law. I said that if it’s owner occupied it doesn’t apply. Which is a true statement. Everyone has their own approach. This has worked for me. Good day. 

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