newbie to real estate and discouraged

newbie to real estate and discouraged

Member since 2021 · 45 posts · 30 votes

So after speaking to tons of lenders and being shot down with the 30% down deposit and 9% interest on a loan that needs to have a minimum cap of 150k, how do I jump this hurdle and find a deal while all I have to put down is 30k? Or do I just sit around and wait for interest rates to go down? This is so discouraging. I keep hearing how everyone is investing but it seems as if all doors are being shut in my face. I thought I could head to purchase a mobile home in Florida with cash, but I've been told by all mobile reps, mobile is not the way to go with rental cash flow due to the lot cost, then I wanted to try Detroit, but all the houses their looks like they have been burnt down. Now I headed to Indiana where I was told to look into Terre Haute, Indianapolis, but lenders want to give me a loan where I get no return and to purchase a property just to sit and wait for it to build value.  at 9% interest nonconventional, so much underlining that will make your head spin by the time you are done talking to one. Is this only me, or are there others out there that had similar issues but overcame this dilemma?

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Randall AlanPro Member
Investor · Lakeland, FL · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
3y
Quote from @Nikki Dupoux St Jean:

So after speaking to tons of lenders and being shot down with the 30% down deposit and 9% interest on a loan that needs to have a minimum cap of 150k, how do I jump this hurdle and find a deal while all I have to put down is 30k? Or do I just sit around and wait for interest rates to go down? This is so discouraging. I keep hearing how everyone is investing but it seems as if all doors are being shut in my face. I thought I could head to purchase a mobile home in Florida with cash, but I've been told by all mobile reps, mobile is not the way to go with rental cash flow due to the lot cost, then I wanted to try Detroit, but all the houses their looks like they have been burnt down. Now I headed to Indiana where I was told to look into Terre Haute, Indianapolis, but lenders want to give me a loan where I get no return and to purchase a property just to sit and wait for it to build value.  at 9% interest nonconventional, so much underlining that will make your head spin by the time you are done talking to one. Is this only me, or are there others out there that had similar issues but overcame this dilemma?

 @Nikki Dupoux St Jean

Hi Nikki,

They say "timing is everything"... and had you started your real estate journey 2 years ago, you would have been writing something like, "I can't believe how amazing real estate is!  I'm cash flowing $500/month on a home I put $30,000 down on!!!" 

Over the past 2 years, however, real estate has more than doubled in value.  Net effect: the cost to buy a property has doubled in price.  In addition, the  Federal Reserve has hiked interest rates upwards of a dozen times in the past year... and will do it a couple more times this year.  Their goal: to slow down the economy and cool down those super high real estate prices.  The net effect for investors: It isn't a good time to try to be getting into real estate right now.  Most purchases would result in minimal positive cash flow, if not negative.

But don't be too discouraged.  You are not alone.  We are pretty much all in the same boat.  I have my money sitting in a high interest savings account just waiting and watching for a deal that makes sense.

Real estate is cyclic... rates will come back down, which will at least start to make real estate investing more achievable.  Until then, we wait. 

All the best!

Randy

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  • Randall AlanPro Member
    Investor · Lakeland, FL · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nikki Dupoux St Jean:

    So after speaking to tons of lenders and being shot down with the 30% down deposit and 9% interest on a loan that needs to have a minimum cap of 150k, how do I jump this hurdle and find a deal while all I have to put down is 30k? Or do I just sit around and wait for interest rates to go down? This is so discouraging. I keep hearing how everyone is investing but it seems as if all doors are being shut in my face. I thought I could head to purchase a mobile home in Florida with cash, but I've been told by all mobile reps, mobile is not the way to go with rental cash flow due to the lot cost, then I wanted to try Detroit, but all the houses their looks like they have been burnt down. Now I headed to Indiana where I was told to look into Terre Haute, Indianapolis, but lenders want to give me a loan where I get no return and to purchase a property just to sit and wait for it to build value.  at 9% interest nonconventional, so much underlining that will make your head spin by the time you are done talking to one. Is this only me, or are there others out there that had similar issues but overcame this dilemma?

     @Nikki Dupoux St Jean

    Hi Nikki,

    They say "timing is everything"... and had you started your real estate journey 2 years ago, you would have been writing something like, "I can't believe how amazing real estate is!  I'm cash flowing $500/month on a home I put $30,000 down on!!!" 

    Over the past 2 years, however, real estate has more than doubled in value.  Net effect: the cost to buy a property has doubled in price.  In addition, the  Federal Reserve has hiked interest rates upwards of a dozen times in the past year... and will do it a couple more times this year.  Their goal: to slow down the economy and cool down those super high real estate prices.  The net effect for investors: It isn't a good time to try to be getting into real estate right now.  Most purchases would result in minimal positive cash flow, if not negative.

    But don't be too discouraged.  You are not alone.  We are pretty much all in the same boat.  I have my money sitting in a high interest savings account just waiting and watching for a deal that makes sense.

    Real estate is cyclic... rates will come back down, which will at least start to make real estate investing more achievable.  Until then, we wait. 

    All the best!

    Randy

  • Real Estate Agent · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2017 · 77 posts · 68 votes
    3y

    Hi Nikki!

    It is a tough cash flow market right now for sure. 

    I know every situation is different, but I have a lender who can do loans for a purchase price as low as 70K and as of this week were under 7.5% with some points. I would be happy to connect you if you have any interest! 

  • Investor · Arroyo Grande, CA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    My initial take is you are expecting this to be easy.

    The reality is you need to put in a good bit of work and due diligence in this business.

    Why do I say you seem to be expecting it to be easy? You're remark about Detroit and saying "all the houses their [sic] looks like they have been burnt down."

    That leaves me to either believe you're trolling, are insanely uneducated about the market, or you're literally looking at houses listed for under $5,000 and nothing else.

    I can find deals in Detroit all day, TODAY, that would make solid rentals and cash flow right now. 

    This could all likely boil down to the fact you just aren't trying hard enough. That's clearly true for the Detroit market, so it very well may be true in the other markets you're referencing. 

  • Gloria N GearBusiness Member
    Realtor · Indianapolis IN · Member since 2018 · 464 posts · 339 votes
    3y

    Yes, the interest rates are awful (and I am caught in the middle of a refinance myself that I did not get locked yet).  But there are options out there.  I am helping investors in Indy all the time with $30K cash.  And yes, you may not get immediate results, but investing is a marathon not a sprint.  Let me give you 3 examples of deals I am in the middle of in Indianapolis with investors right now.  A $60K house that is rented for $750, but will go up to $950 in August, only $4K repairs needed.  A $70K house that is rented for $825, but fair market rent for that house is $1100, repairs are minimal.  A $80K house that is rented for around $900 - fair market rents are around $1200.  I have 2 lenders that will loan on properties under $100K.  We also could possibly do some unique financing with construction loans.  Don't give up - you just have to dig a little deeper.  I will PM you some contacts.

  • Contractor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2010 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y

    You're doing the right thing. Keep analyzing markets. Keep underwriting deals. Keep networking with other investors and realtors. And keep saving.

    There are markets where your $30k will buy you a deal. Those markets exist today. They will exist in 3 months. They will exist in 6 months. They will exist in a year. So don't rush it.

    Doing your first deal is the scariest and most frustrating. Hang in there. After you get 1 under your belt you will have a clearer focus and the 2nd deal will come easier.

  • Member since 2021 · 45 posts · 30 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Devon Shaw:

    Hi Nikki!

    It is a tough cash flow market right now for sure. 

    I know every situation is different, but I have a lender who can do loans for a purchase price as low as 70K and as of this week were under 7.5% with some points. I would be happy to connect you if you have any interest! 


     Hi Devon, if you could inbox me their information that would be great. I'm now looking into Indiana and there may be some nesting opportunities for me there. A 70k loan would be great since every other lender is asking for a minimum of 100k or more

  • Member since 2021 · 45 posts · 30 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Gloria N Gear:

    Yes, the interest rates are awful (and I am caught in the middle of a refinance myself that I did not get locked yet).  But there are options out there.  I am helping investors in Indy all the time with $30K cash.  And yes, you may not get immediate results, but investing is a marathon not a sprint.  Let me give you 3 examples of deals I am in the middle of in Indianapolis with investors right now.  A $60K house that is rented for $750, but will go up to $950 in August, only $4K repairs needed.  A $70K house that is rented for $825, but fair market rent for that house is $1100, repairs are minimal.  A $80K house that is rented for around $900 - fair market rents are around $1200.  I have 2 lenders that will loan on properties under $100K.  We also could possibly do some unique financing with construction loans.  Don't give up - you just have to dig a little deeper.  I will PM you some contacts.


     Hey Gloria, all of these deals sound awesome and it would be great to be able to end up with deals as such. I guess my frustrations were how condescending the loan officers sounded when I asked if there were other options besides conventional loans. But I later was advised not all loan officers are experienced investors so they may be limited in what products they can offer. Can you send me the loan officer that would approve under 100k loans' information via inbox?

  • Member since 2021 · 45 posts · 30 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Scott E.:

    You're doing the right thing. Keep analyzing markets. Keep underwriting deals. Keep networking with other investors and realtors. And keep saving.

    There are markets where your $30k will buy you a deal. Those markets exist today. They will exist in 3 months. They will exist in 6 months. They will exist in a year. So don't rush it.

    Doing your first deal is the scariest and most frustrating. Hang in there. After you get 1 under your belt you will have a clearer focus and the 2nd deal will come easier.


     Wow! Thank you for the words of encouragement Scott, that really helped me to get back and focus.  I may just decide to wait while still saving. 

  • Member since 2021 · 45 posts · 30 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Travis Biziorek:

    My initial take is you are expecting this to be easy.

    The reality is you need to put in a good bit of work and due diligence in this business.

    Why do I say you seem to be expecting it to be easy? You're remark about Detroit and saying "all the houses their [sic] looks like they have been burnt down."

    That leaves me to either believe you're trolling, are insanely uneducated about the market, or you're literally looking at houses listed for under $5,000 and nothing else.

    I can find deals in Detroit all day, TODAY, that would make solid rentals and cash flow right now. 

    This could all likely boil down to the fact you just aren't trying hard enough. That's clearly true for the Detroit market, so it very well may be true in the other markets you're referencing. 


     Hi Travis, I didn't post anything to have anyone take it personally and blow a fuse. I was just sharing my thought. I'm happy you have found great deals in Detroit, but to those of us less experienced we may find it a bit more challenging. I pray that you continue to find success in your journey and to next time provide more constructive criticism. Thank you

  • Michael SmytheBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Metro Detroit · Member since 2023 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y

    Basic rule of investing in ANYTHING:

    Risk is tied to reward!

    Higher rewards, typically require higher risks.

    You seem to be looking for an investment with little risk, but expecting a great reward.

    Those take time, patience and lots of networking to find.

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  • Jaron WallingPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    @Nikki Dupoux St Jean From the start of my journey I saw everything you described coming. After researching Indiana, staying active in these forums, and reading a few books I realized the only way I could "jump in" was by buying distressed property. At some point you crack or get forced into a bad living situation and can no longer stomach paying rent. It makes no sense to pay for other peoples assets. You'll work two jobs, sell something of value, or do both to buy a primary residence or that first investment. 

    I completely agree with @Randall Alan, it's never been more challenging to buy RE. Case-in-point distressed deals filter out buyers. People don't want dumpy houses and some investors shy away from them. Distressed houses are full of opportunities if you're willing to learn rehab, follow a budget, hire contractors, and know the numbers. It provides multiple exit strategies. Otherwise you have to bare what the market provides. Don't accept that mentality. Find/buy/create opportunities or maybe don't buy RE at this time. That's really all you can do. 

    FYI; we have rehabbed all of our rentals for $25k or less. These are mostly cosmetic with new kitchens, baths, roofs, and minor electrical. If we can do it you can too. 

  • Member since 2021 · 45 posts · 30 votes
    3y

    What is the least amount you spent on a property?  I've been looking at properties in 50k but they say those are only D and F class properties would you agree, Is it possible to find Diamond in the desert? If so what was your plan?

  • Jaron WallingPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    @Nikki Dupoux St Jean If you don't have experience do not buy in D class areas. The least I spent on a property was the first property I bought. PP: $83k, 2/1, 2-car detached garage, conventional loan, primary, 5% DP (PMI), with an $18k renovation.

    The wind isn't blowing as strong into the ARV sails. Meaning you can't assume appreciation will fix a bad budget or poor money habits. Investors have maximized that aspect for years. Get serious about your numbers, savings, and strategy then make a property work for you. Just assume 9/10 properties will not work for rentals or flip strategy. Narrow your search. Narrow you expectations. You'll start seeing opportunities. I started with zero experience and about $30k! 

  • Member since 2021 · 45 posts · 30 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jaron Walling:

    @Nikki Dupoux St Jean If you don't have experience do not buy in D class areas. The least I spent on a property was the first property I bought. PP: $83k, 2/1, 2-car detached garage, conventional loan, primary, 5% DP (PMI), with an $18k renovation.

    The wind isn't blowing as strong into the ARV sails. Meaning you can't assume appreciation will fix a bad budget or poor money habits. Investors have maximized that aspect for years. Get serious about your numbers, savings, and strategy then make a property work for you. Just assume 9/10 properties will not work for rentals or flip strategy. Narrow your search. Narrow you expectations. You'll start seeing opportunities. I started with zero experience and about $30k! 


    Hey Jaron, thank you for the words of encouragement, I'm working with a realtor now and I'm waiting on that good deal you mentioned by using the Bigger pocket analysis to decide. I have an approved conventional loan for 100k and it's a matter of finding a duplex that can help me with at least a 10 ROI if that's even possible.

  • Member since 2023 · 9 posts · 7 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Gloria N Gear:

    Yes, the interest rates are awful (and I am caught in the middle of a refinance myself that I did not get locked yet).  But there are options out there.  I am helping investors in Indy all the time with $30K cash.  And yes, you may not get immediate results, but investing is a marathon not a sprint.  Let me give you 3 examples of deals I am in the middle of in Indianapolis with investors right now.  A $60K house that is rented for $750, but will go up to $950 in August, only $4K repairs needed.  A $70K house that is rented for $825, but fair market rent for that house is $1100, repairs are minimal.  A $80K house that is rented for around $900 - fair market rents are around $1200.  I have 2 lenders that will loan on properties under $100K.  We also could possibly do some unique financing with construction loans.  Don't give up - you just have to dig a little deeper.  I will PM you some contacts.


     Hi Gloria

    Will you please PM me the information as well.

    Thank you

  • Jaron WallingPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    @Nikki Dupoux St Jean Do you already own a primary residence? 

    Regardless delete the 10% ROI from your mind. If you're aiming to house-hack a primary residence or purely buy an investment property consider the other wealth building pillars of RE. Look for any opportunity you can jump on; anything that fits the $30k DP. Don't spend every dime you have to buy the property. You'll need at least $5k for reserves. This doesn't need to be a duplex. If you're ONLY searching for duplex properties you're competing against numerous investors. Given this market that's a nightmare. It was challenging to find good multi-family when I jumped into REI and that was 5 years ago.

  • Member since 2021 · 45 posts · 30 votes
    3y

    Ok, Understood! Make so much sense. I can't thank you enough Jaron, but I can't promise I won't come after you again for advice. Lol, I'll keep you posted

  • Member since 2021 · 376 posts · 242 votes
    3y

    @Nikki Dupoux St Jean

    I am sorry that you are feeling discouraged at the moment. There are a lot of obstacles that need to be overcome with real estate and it presents many challenges. If you are able to over come the challenges, then the rewards on the other side are very beneficial but it requires consistency and a lot of time. As hard as it may be, don't let yourself become discouraged. If your current finances have you approved for a loan at 9% with a large deposit; then there is a chance that you may need to work on other aspects of your financial status at the moment. I don't mean to be presumptuous; but I would guess that your credit score is not ideal at the moment if those are the financing terms you are being presented. This could be an indicator that you may need to actively work to improve that credit score. While this is a very doable goal, it will require time to do so; possibly as much as several years. Improving your credit score will open the door for you to more favorable financing options at lower interest rates. This additional time would also allow you to further build up how much you have to invest with. 

    There are other options you can look into in the mean time if you still want to acquire a property sooner rather than later. Two options you can look into are seller financing or subject-to deals. This would allow you to acquire financing through the seller as opposed to a lending institution. A seller would be able to offer any lending terms they deem acceptable rather than being tied to conventional lending standards. Seller financing is a case where the seller becomes the bank and mortgage payments are made to them as opposed to a bank. Subject-to allows you take over the existing lease from the seller. A financial consultant and lawyer would be advisable in either of these cases.

    The most important thing to remember though, is to not get discouraged. Real estate is a not a "get rich quick" industry. It is very rare for anyone to enter into this space and be in position for lifelong financial independence within 1 or 2. It often takes years if not decades or both practice and learning before the returns really start paying off. The rewards are worth it but require diligence and consistency. Keep on the track you are on right now. You can absolutely do this! Best of luck to you on this venture!!!

  • Member since 2021 · 45 posts · 30 votes
    3y

    Thank you for the words of encouragement!

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