Fraud with our Birmingham turnkey property

Fraud with our Birmingham turnkey property

Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2014 · 128 posts · 87 votes

In March 2015, we worked through Maverick Investor Group to purchase a property in Birmingham, Alabama. The Seller was Birmingham Income Properties - owned by Brad Lewis and Bryan Conwill. Property Management would be done by their other company, Arbor Trace Real Estate.

There were many difficulties during the rehab and purchase process. Most importantly, about two months after closing on the purchase, we discovered there was not a tenant in the property.

According to our contract, the house would be fully rehabbed with new plumbing, electrical and appliances and have a tenant in place before closing. We were also promised a paying tenant in the house at closing; a specific rental amount; a specific cap rate; and told that if the rental rate was not met, the sales price for the house would be lowered to maintain the cap rate. All of these stipulations were promised jointly by Mr. Lewis and Maverick during a webinar in March.

Problems started during the rehab process. Timelines kept getting missed. The Seller claimed work was done that wasn’t and frequently lied about issues. Fortunately we hired an independent inspector who helped us hold them accountable for doing the promised work. The inspector pointed out an old water heater that the Seller claimed was new, among many other issues. We often discussed these issues with Maverick; their response was to praise our due diligence and repeat the promises we had been given.

The Seller told us a tenant was lined up, but at a lower rental rate than promised. We mentioned up the rent guarantee. The Seller refused to lower the sales price, and eventually told us the tenant had agreed to the original rent amount. Shortly before closing the Seller sent us a copy of a signed lease. We closed on the purchase in July, and hired Arbor Trace for property management.

Almost two months passed and we did not receive any rent or owner’s statements. We contacted Arbor Trace to ask about the situation; we discovered the companies were collapsing in dramatic fashion. One staff member told us the house we had bought was not occupied. We called the electric company and verified that there was no power at the house. The lease we had been shown in order to get us to close at the agreed price was a fraudulent lease!

At that point, we reached out to another PM group in Birmingham. They helped us secure the house (which was empty) and get the lawn cut (there was a city citation on the door about the overgrown lawn).

We are not convinced that this drama is over yet. But so far, we have:

  • Bought a house that will cash flow for $200 less a month than promised
  • Dealt with a fraudulent lease
  • Had to find a new PM company
  • Had to spend at least $1000 to get the house rent ready
  • Paid a $500 bill to the electrical company to cover an unpaid bill
  • Been sent one check by the Seller to cover some costs – the check bounced (twice)
  • Received no substantive support from Maverick – they completely failed on their due diligence

Knowing how BP folks feel about turnkey properties in general, I want to say that we are not against the approach – we are in the process of closing two other turnkey properties with two different companies.

Our warning – stay away from the groups and people mentioned here and always do your due diligence!

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Investor · El Dorado Hills, CA · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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Thanks for sharing. My biggest issue with TK is that it never made sense to me. Your goals are not aligned. I always figured that if a TK provider could deliver what they claimed to offer consistently and over a long period of time... they would either keep them or have huge corporate buyers gobbling up as many properties as they could deliver. The fact that they constantly have to hunt for small time buyers is one of many red flags for me. I don't understand why somebody would do all of the legwork to secure properties below market, fund and manage a rehab, lease up and then hand over a great cash flowing property to a stranger while retaining the management headache. That is all the heaving lifting. It is like running the first 26 miles of a marathon then handing the bib off to somebody else that gets to sprint across the finish line to kiss your wife and hug your kids. None of it makes sense unless their one time rip and ongoing management fees are a better deal than the true monthly cash flow. When I go into any type of business arrangement or partnership I try to make sure our business interests and goals are 100% aligned. With TK investing, it simply can't be. More repairs and management fees from turnover equals more money for the TK provider and less money for the investor. Every extra penny they spend over engineering a rehab to avoid future maintenance issues is coming off their bottom line. Then they have no skin in the game if the property underperforms. It's like a perfect recipe to get screwed over. If you want relatively hassle free out of state investing, a commercial syndication deal makes much more sense to me.
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  • Financial services executive · Frederick, MD · Member since 2015 · 609 posts · 341 votes
    10y

    Moral of this story is don't buy real estate off a webinar.

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    Rental Property Investor · memphis, TN · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Ann Howell:
    Originally posted by @Chris Clothier:

    @Ann Howell, I've read through this entire thread over the last couple of days and there is some really good advice hidden throughout the thread.  

     Chris. I agree that there is some very good advice in here.  Some of it is helping us with this situation and some of it will help us with future purchases.  This has been a tough situation but wisdom come along with the battle scars. Over time, we plan to explore many aspects of real estate investing.  Right now, turnkey is helping us establish a portfolio of buy and hold properties to start with.  We will watch for bad operators in any business we do!

    It would be helpful if you keep the forum updated on your outcome and progress.  Again, make sure you reach out to Maverick.  Like Jay said earlier, one of the owners, Matt Bowles is a good guy and not the type to wipe his hands of an issue.  If he has, then that would be a change in the way he has operated.  I would encourage you to hold them accountable to help you and I am sure they will.  Regardless of what anyone thinks of that business model (marketing buyers to Turnkey companies), my experience and knowledge of Matt is that he is absolutely a stand-up guy.  We have not done business together, but I have not heard of negative feedback either.  Either way, maybe you can keep the forum updated so at a minimum there can be some closure.

    Also, @Jay Hinrichs, post a link to your e-book on here if you can.  There may be other readers that can benefit from it as well as Ann. 

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Richardson, TX · Member since 2015 · 29 posts · 6 votes
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    I do not do business with anyone that has the least bit of moral compromise. Inevitably, they waste my time and steal my money-I hate being a poor steward of my time and money.

    I typically spend a number of months developing relationships in a market-whether financiers, realtors, or contractors-before actually completing a deal. This gives me plenty of time to gather a team of first class individuals.

    I have found that there are unlimited number of great opportunities out there, however, the number of quality people is limited.

  • Investor · Baton Rouge, LA · Member since 2014 · 142 posts · 49 votes
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    Originally posted by @Chris Clothier:
    Originally posted by @Ann Howell:
    Originally posted by @Chris Clothier:

    @Ann Howell, I've read through this entire thread over the last couple of days and there is some really good advice hidden throughout the thread.  

     Chris. I agree that there is some very good advice in here.  Some of it is helping us with this situation and some of it will help us with future purchases.  This has been a tough situation but wisdom come along with the battle scars. Over time, we plan to explore many aspects of real estate investing.  Right now, turnkey is helping us establish a portfolio of buy and hold properties to start with.  We will watch for bad operators in any business we do!

    It would be helpful if you keep the forum updated on your outcome and progress.  Again, make sure you reach out to Maverick.  Like Jay said earlier, one of the owners, Matt Bowles is a good guy and not the type to wipe his hands of an issue.  If he has, then that would be a change in the way he has operated.  I would encourage you to hold them accountable to help you and I am sure they will.  Regardless of what anyone thinks of that business model (marketing buyers to Turnkey companies), my experience and knowledge of Matt is that he is absolutely a stand-up guy.  We have not done business together, but I have not heard of negative feedback either.  Either way, maybe you can keep the forum updated so at a minimum there can be some closure.

    Also, @Jay Hinrichs, post a link to your e-book on here if you can.  There may be other readers that can benefit from it as well as Ann. 

    As mentioned in an earlier post I was introduced to Birmingham Income Properties (BHI) by Maverick and purchased two properties in Bham area. 

    To make a long story short, I overpaid for one property and got a huge discount on the other property. Between the two I'm still in a positive equity position. The rehab work was great and BHI fixed everything found in my inspection reports without questions or charges. The initial pro-forma of rents versus purchase price greatly exceeded the 1% rule (these are 75-110k properties)  Unfortunately, the projected rents in the proforma were $200-300 higher than actual market rents, but BHI gave me a written agreement that they would pay the difference. They were good on their promise until Arbor Trace dissolved. I stopped receiving rent checks after July deposits, and then I found out two weeks ago that one of my properties has been vacant since August. 

    Now the good news. BHI did finally pay me promised rents and shortfalls through August. I received the check today. However, I still haven't been paid for Sept and Oct rents, but Maverick has stepped in to help. 

    In fact, Matt Bowles with Maverick has been in constant communication with me throughout this ordeal and I think they were blindsided along with the investors. However, I'm the buyer so at the end of the day I could have prevented a lot of this mess if I had done the following which is probably a smart idea for anyone buying properties out of area

    1) I should have gotten comps on the properties from two independent real estate agents and I should have posted  info about the properties and neighborhoods in BP forums to get real world feedback on market values. 

    2) Regarding the projected rents, I should have at least run a rent range report on both properties before purchase to discover how accurate the projected rents were versus real rents,(Maverick told me to do this). 

    3) I could have contacted a couple of PM's to get their opinion on rents for these homes.  I didn't do enough due diligence regarding projected rents because of the "guarantee" that I received from BHI that leases would be in place with projected rents before closing. They weren't and I took their word for it: my bad. As I said BHI and Arbor Trace did make good on their guarantee to pay me the difference in projected rents versus actual rents in the short term, but now that arbor trace is dissolved I have to live with the reality of the new lower market rent price. Fortunately, the rents versus purchase price still exceed the 1% rule, but the returns won't quite match the initial proforma which was outstanding. 

    While Maverick could've done a better job in vetting these guys and performing a higher level of due diligence, they acknowledge this fact. They are implementing processes to mitigate the likelihood of this happening again in the future. I think they are also in a better position to advise their clients in how to do their own thorough due diligence before closing. Maverick isn't just offering moral support to me. In fact, they have agreed to reimburse me for any outstanding shortfalls that I'm unable to collect.

    For that I am grateful. I've purchased other properties from Maverick in other areas and they are performing as expected except for on that had tenant break the lease one month after signing. However I did receive the security deposit and another tenant was placed in that property at the projected rent. 

    Also, Amy Conwill and Megan Massa who used to be with Arbor Trace and who are now with Atrium have been very helpful in uncovering the details about the real leasing agreements, rents collected, etc., and they've been very easy to communicate with and very helpful.  They are also helping me with some of the other shortfall that is still owed to me. 

    I have since found a new property management company, Decas, who has been Johnny on the spot and is already close to filling my vacancy at a realistic rent in less than a week. 

    While I would like to point the finger at BHI, Arbor Trace and Maverick, I'm the one responsible, as its my investment. The lessons I've learned hear are worth the price I've paid, and will make me a more astute real estate investor going forward. I hope it will also help others too.

  • Professional · Astoria, NY · Member since 2015 · 30 posts · 4 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Ann Howell:

    In March 2015, we worked through Maverick Investor Group to purchase a property in Birmingham, Alabama. The Seller was Birmingham Income Properties - owned by Brad Lewis and Bryan Conwill. Property Management would be done by their other company, Arbor Trace Real Estate.

    There were many difficulties during the rehab and purchase process. Most importantly, about two months after closing on the purchase, we discovered there was not a tenant in the property.

    According to our contract, the house would be fully rehabbed with new plumbing, electrical and appliances and have a tenant in place before closing. We were also promised a paying tenant in the house at closing; a specific rental amount; a specific cap rate; and told that if the rental rate was not met, the sales price for the house would be lowered to maintain the cap rate. All of these stipulations were promised jointly by Mr. Lewis and Maverick during a webinar in March.

    Problems started during the rehab process. Timelines kept getting missed. The Seller claimed work was done that wasn’t and frequently lied about issues. Fortunately we hired an independent inspector who helped us hold them accountable for doing the promised work. The inspector pointed out an old water heater that the Seller claimed was new, among many other issues. We often discussed these issues with Maverick; their response was to praise our due diligence and repeat the promises we had been given.

    The Seller told us a tenant was lined up, but at a lower rental rate than promised. We mentioned up the rent guarantee. The Seller refused to lower the sales price, and eventually told us the tenant had agreed to the original rent amount. Shortly before closing the Seller sent us a copy of a signed lease. We closed on the purchase in July, and hired Arbor Trace for property management.

    Almost two months passed and we did not receive any rent or owner’s statements. We contacted Arbor Trace to ask about the situation; we discovered the companies were collapsing in dramatic fashion. One staff member told us the house we had bought was not occupied. We called the electric company and verified that there was no power at the house. The lease we had been shown in order to get us to close at the agreed price was a fraudulent lease!

    At that point, we reached out to another PM group in Birmingham. They helped us secure the house (which was empty) and get the lawn cut (there was a city citation on the door about the overgrown lawn).

    We are not convinced that this drama is over yet. But so far, we have:

    • Bought a house that will cash flow for $200 less a month than promised
    • Dealt with a fraudulent lease
    • Had to find a new PM company
    • Had to spend at least $1000 to get the house rent ready
    • Paid a $500 bill to the electrical company to cover an unpaid bill
    • Been sent one check by the Seller to cover some costs – the check bounced (twice)
    • Received no substantive support from Maverick – they completely failed on their due diligence

    Knowing how BP folks feel about turnkey properties in general, I want to say that we are not against the approach – we are in the process of closing two other turnkey properties with two different companies.

    Our warning – stay away from the groups and people mentioned here and always do your due diligence!

    so sad to hear that== I was interested in turnkey--- regardless you should email hipster investments--- they push maverick as one of their valued partners. scary and very sorry.

  • Specialist · Daphne, AL · Member since 2014 · 114 posts · 18 votes
    10y

    I sincerely hate to hear your unsuccessful turnkey. There are bad apples in every bunch. I hope this does not prevent others from investing in my home state especially Birmingham. I know there are truly honest investors there and really want to help others succeed. 

    Thanks for the heads up with this group. Someone needs to stop them soon. Can the authorities be notified about their behavior? Any litigations?

    Good luck with your future endeavors!

  • Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2014 · 128 posts · 87 votes
    10y

    As of November 17, 2015:  We are happy to report that Maverick Investor Group has stepped up and compensated us for our losses in this transaction. We appreciate their time and effort in helping get this resolved for us!

  • Investor · Frisco, TX · Member since 2015 · 84 posts · 52 votes
    10y

    How did Maverick compensate you for the lower rent you are getting verses the rental rate committed by BIP at closing?

  • Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 3 posts · 2 votes
    10y

    I would like to second Ann's "Thank you" to Maverick.  They helped us get resolution on this problem, and now we can put it behind us and move on with more investing.

  • Investor · Baton Rouge, LA · Member since 2014 · 142 posts · 49 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Doug Johnson:

    How did Maverick compensate you for the lower rent you are getting verses the rental rate committed by BIP at closing?

    Birmingham Income Properties did send me a check to cover the difference between real rents and projected rents through August with a partial payment through September.  Maverick paid the shortfall through October rents based on the projected amounts, rather than, the real amounts.  I'm very thankful to Matt and Maverick for standing by me and their other investors through this ordeal

  • Investor · Central Valley, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Doug Johnson:

    How did Maverick compensate you for the lower rent you are getting verses the rental rate committed by BIP at closing?

    I think we'll probably not get any comment on that.  :)  The OP did the right thing to call out Maverick here in order to get them to wake up and respond to their issues.  Doubtful that the goal was to transform the not so great deal into the one promised.  

  • Investor · Baton Rouge, LA · Member since 2014 · 142 posts · 49 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Fred Stevenson:
    Originally posted by @Doug Johnson:

    How did Maverick compensate you for the lower rent you are getting verses the rental rate committed by BIP at closing?

    Birmingham Income Properties did send me a check to cover the difference between real rents and projected rents through August with a partial payment through September.  Maverick paid the shortfall through October rents based on the projected amounts, rather than, the real amounts.  I'm very thankful to Matt and Maverick for standing by me and their other investors through this ordeal

    Atrium also sent a check for section 8 shortfall. So as of today, I am whole through October rents.  Now I am hoping that Decas can quickly fill my vacancy.  I will have to put up with lower than the projected rents going forward, but both properties will still cashflow at around the 1% rule.

  • Investor · Central Valley, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Fred Stevenson:
    Originally posted by @Doug Johnson:

    How did Maverick compensate you for the lower rent you are getting verses the rental rate committed by BIP at closing?

    Birmingham Income Properties did send me a check to cover the difference between real rents and projected rents through August with a partial payment through September.  Maverick paid the shortfall through October rents based on the projected amounts, rather than, the real amounts.  I'm very thankful to Matt and Maverick for standing by me and their other investors through this ordeal

    That's amazing.  Thanks for reporting back on that.  Wonder how many people aren't getting projected rents that are making such a request.  It's good and necessary that they honor any promise made, but promising rents is such a strange guarantee. 

  • Investor · Fort Wayne, IN · Member since 2014 · 15 posts · 8 votes
    10y

    @Ann Howell , @Tim Howell and @Fred Stevenson

    Now that these ordeals seem to have mostly passed, would you continue to invest turnkey? If so, would you use maverick to help in arranging your next turnkey provider or would you suggest them to others?

  • Real Estate Investor · Hilo, HI · Member since 2015 · 134 posts · 14 votes
    10y

    Wow what a slew of info and knowledge gained. I'm glad they have made you all whole and that folks still have moral fibers and care about there word being there bond. 

  • Investor · Miami, FL · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 390 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Ann Howell:

    In March 2015, we worked through Maverick Investor Group to purchase a property in Birmingham, Alabama. The Seller was Birmingham Income Properties - owned by Brad Lewis and Bryan Conwill. Property Management would be done by their other company, Arbor Trace Real Estate.

    There were many difficulties during the rehab and purchase process. Most importantly, about two months after closing on the purchase, we discovered there was not a tenant in the property.

    According to our contract, the house would be fully rehabbed with new plumbing, electrical and appliances and have a tenant in place before closing. We were also promised a paying tenant in the house at closing; a specific rental amount; a specific cap rate; and told that if the rental rate was not met, the sales price for the house would be lowered to maintain the cap rate. All of these stipulations were promised jointly by Mr. Lewis and Maverick during a webinar in March.

    Problems started during the rehab process. Timelines kept getting missed. The Seller claimed work was done that wasn’t and frequently lied about issues. Fortunately we hired an independent inspector who helped us hold them accountable for doing the promised work. The inspector pointed out an old water heater that the Seller claimed was new, among many other issues. We often discussed these issues with Maverick; their response was to praise our due diligence and repeat the promises we had been given.

    The Seller told us a tenant was lined up, but at a lower rental rate than promised. We mentioned up the rent guarantee. The Seller refused to lower the sales price, and eventually told us the tenant had agreed to the original rent amount. Shortly before closing the Seller sent us a copy of a signed lease. We closed on the purchase in July, and hired Arbor Trace for property management.

    Almost two months passed and we did not receive any rent or owner’s statements. We contacted Arbor Trace to ask about the situation; we discovered the companies were collapsing in dramatic fashion. One staff member told us the house we had bought was not occupied. We called the electric company and verified that there was no power at the house. The lease we had been shown in order to get us to close at the agreed price was a fraudulent lease!

    At that point, we reached out to another PM group in Birmingham. They helped us secure the house (which was empty) and get the lawn cut (there was a city citation on the door about the overgrown lawn).

    We are not convinced that this drama is over yet. But so far, we have:

    • Bought a house that will cash flow for $200 less a month than promised
    • Dealt with a fraudulent lease
    • Had to find a new PM company
    • Had to spend at least $1000 to get the house rent ready
    • Paid a $500 bill to the electrical company to cover an unpaid bill
    • Been sent one check by the Seller to cover some costs – the check bounced (twice)
    • Received no substantive support from Maverick – they completely failed on their due diligence

    Knowing how BP folks feel about turnkey properties in general, I want to say that we are not against the approach – we are in the process of closing two other turnkey properties with two different companies.

    Our warning – stay away from the groups and people mentioned here and always do your due diligence!

     Ann, sorry to hear about this awful experience, this is a common known issue and problem I have been witness to. I think turnkey is great, its a lifestyle, I think it is important to define a turnkey - when vetting an operator its important to determine what their product and the accountability it comes with. Most similar stories begin with the operator that helps people "DO" turnkey, but are not really selling turnkey. "DO" turnkey = no accountability, downtime, extended risk. When I say "DO" turnkey, is that an operator states that they will help you purchase and asset (with your money), will help you renovate the home (with your money) with lowest bidder contractor (cost overruns for unforeseen, poor workmanship, delays), then they pass you to their "property management partner," fancy way of saying we do not ave a property management company, but here is a 3rd party organization that now makes us not accept able for the final success of your investment. 

    Now, the other side is a real Turnkey, working with a sophisticated operator, who completes acquisition in adavnce, completes construction in house in advance, manages the asset for you and is accountable for the entire process and condition, all in advance of your money going into play. Yes, this can be achieved by working with a well managed team and reliable operator with a long standing proven track record. An actual turnkey operation, should be able to bring you assets with value without the premium. Using a real turnkey operator, allows you to enjoy a lifestyle of passive investing. You can acquire assets,with no downtime on your money, with streamlined attributes redesign your capex and maintenance burdens, hold the operator acceptable for your tent and everything in the home. Reduce your placement cost by using an operator that sells something that is immediately cash flowing.

    Always remember, you still need to do your due diligence and complete home inspections, operate using title escrow companies, but you can curb your risks, invest with no premiums, hassle free, deploy and outrun your money much quicker and mitigate the risk of the unforeseen and cost over runs on the front. Keep it simple keep it Turnkey :)

  • Financial services executive · Frederick, MD · Member since 2015 · 609 posts · 341 votes
    10y

    Also turnkey sellers hold themselves out as market experts. If the actual market rent was more than 17% under what you were told there are a number of claims to get back part of your purchase price... negligent misrepresentation and while you received legal title you did not receive full equitable title as a result of the misrepresentation.

    Please do the industry a favor by making a complaint to your and their state attorney generals office.

  • Rental Property Investor · Wiesbaden, Hesse · Member since 2016 · 85 posts · 32 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Doug Johnson:
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    @Spencer Sutton  c

    I watched American greed last night.. and I am listening to this lady who put 1 million into a fund that promised to double here money guaranteed in 3 years.. all she could talk about was the greedy guys that lost all the money.. ( granted that's the case in all the American greed shows) But its also the greedy investor who really should have known better.. if they had not been so greedy they probably would not have lost their million buck aroos... LOL

    I don't know this show, but I get idea.  To me, there's something way less painful about losing $1M in 3 years on a bad investment risk......than a slow death on a $75K out of state rental.  Presumably, the $1M isn't usually every last penny.  The poorly performing $75K rental comes with stress and denial. I see a lot of people hanging on to a non appreciating, non cash flowing asset.  10 years seems to be the number when they are finally ready to bail and sell at a loss. I'd say its about 50/50 as to blame.  Half of them make it about crappy tenants and bad PM and contractors.  The other half have quiet shame and totally blame themselves.  Neither is pretty,

     After all the drama with TK in Birmingham, I have shifted my focus to buying apartments as part of an investment group.  It is much more passive and has double digit cash-on-cash returns.  

     @Doug, How did you perform your due diligence and find an investment group you were comfortable with for investing in apartments?

  • Investor · Frisco, TX · Member since 2015 · 84 posts · 52 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Tim Greenfield:
    Originally posted by @Doug Johnson:
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    @Spencer Sutton  c

    I watched American greed last night.. and I am listening to this lady who put 1 million into a fund that promised to double here money guaranteed in 3 years.. all she could talk about was the greedy guys that lost all the money.. ( granted that's the case in all the American greed shows) But its also the greedy investor who really should have known better.. if they had not been so greedy they probably would not have lost their million buck aroos... LOL

    I don't know this show, but I get idea.  To me, there's something way less painful about losing $1M in 3 years on a bad investment risk......than a slow death on a $75K out of state rental.  Presumably, the $1M isn't usually every last penny.  The poorly performing $75K rental comes with stress and denial. I see a lot of people hanging on to a non appreciating, non cash flowing asset.  10 years seems to be the number when they are finally ready to bail and sell at a loss. I'd say its about 50/50 as to blame.  Half of them make it about crappy tenants and bad PM and contractors.  The other half have quiet shame and totally blame themselves.  Neither is pretty,

     After all the drama with TK in Birmingham, I have shifted my focus to buying apartments as part of an investment group.  It is much more passive and has double digit cash-on-cash returns.  

     @Doug, How did you perform your due diligence and find an investment group you were comfortable with for investing in apartments?

    I have been working with a group of Apartment Lead Investors who have been trained by Brad Sumrok.  Brad is a great teacher and I personally know the Lead Investors I invest with.  I am currently an owner in >500 units in 5 different apartments in 3 states and 5 cities.  Every investment is delivering >10% cash flow in the form of quarterly checks and ZERO drama.   If you would like to learn more, PM and we can setup a call.

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