Has anyone heard of these guys?????

Has anyone heard of these guys?????

Realtor · Miami, FL · Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 23 votes

I recently tried to close a deal with Infinity Capital Finance {Bethesda, MD}. Paid for the application, background, credit, and appraisal. I thought I was dealing with a hard money lender I could trust. Only to get a week from closing, and have the appraisal kill the deal. I thought the values of the neighborhood  were spot on. I am a licensed realtor. Something I would not have seen coming, was being so inaccurate in my opinion. After the appraisal came back, that I wouldn't even be able to negotiate with the seller. But that was exactly what I got. 

So now sitting at my desk working on my next deal. I ask myself. Was it really, real? Or, have I just taken?  . 

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Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
7y

If anyone puts themself out as a lender......just check the country records to see how many, if any, loans they have funded, among other standard practices.

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  • Ryan BlakePro Member
    Lender · TX · Member since 2018 · 936 posts · 713 votes
    7y

    @Yasuha J. Dorce I don't know the company but I can tell you that all DFW HMLs that I know of don't take fees at all. We don't even take money for the appraisal. The appraiser sends the invoice directly to the client. The only money taken is at the closing table.

    If you don't mind me asking, how much did they charge?

  • Realtor · Miami, FL · Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 23 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Ryan Blake:

    @Yasuha J. Dorce I don't know the company but I can tell you that all DFW HMLs that I know of don't take fees at all. We don't even take money for the appraisal. The appraiser sends the invoice directly to the client. The only money taken is at the closing table.

    If you don't mind me asking, how much did they charge?

    700$

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    If anyone puts themself out as a lender......just check the country records to see how many, if any, loans they have funded, among other standard practices.

  • Ryan BlakePro Member
    Lender · TX · Member since 2018 · 936 posts · 713 votes
    7y

    @Yasuha J. Dorce

    I am really sorry to hear that! I would see if you can file a quick complain with the Secretary of State's office or someone. This is horrible. I hope you are able to get some of that back.

    @Wayne Brooks

    If they sounded good one the phone and had a decent website, I don't know if I would even think to do that. It's a good idea though.

  • Realtor · Miami, FL · Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 23 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

    If anyone puts themself out as a lender......just check the country records to see how many, if any, loans they have funded, among other standard practices.

     Is that a national thing? Because I know in FL we have that. But they are not based in FL.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y

    watch the episode on American Greed     ( Remington Financial ) this will show you how insidious these pump and dump due diligence companies are .. not say they are.. for all we know your thought on value and reality are skewed.. 

  • Realtor · Miami, FL · Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 23 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    watch the episode on American Greed     ( Remington Financial ) this will show you how insidious these pump and dump due diligence companies are .. not say they are.. for all we know your thought on value and reality are skewed.. 

     Not really Jay. But thanks anyhow.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Yasuha J. Dorce:
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    watch the episode on American Greed     ( Remington Financial ) this will show you how insidious these pump and dump due diligence companies are .. not say they are.. for all we know your thought on value and reality are skewed.. 

     Not really Jay. But thanks anyhow.

     just giving the lender the benefit of the doubt .. but you may have run into a faux lender.. they are rampant.

    let me ask you were the rate and terms better than you saw from anyone else.. were they quick to approve you ??

  • Realtor · Miami, FL · Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 23 votes
    7y

    @jayhinrichs

    No actually the rate was 12% terms weren’t horrible though. 

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    @Yasuha J. Dorce I meant “county” records.....if they have made a loan here, easy to find.  Yes, most counties have the same records online we have.

  • Realtor · Miami, FL · Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 23 votes
    7y

    Great idea Wayne. I most definitely will do just that! 

  • Lender · Hackensack, NJ · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 372 votes
    7y

    That can happen with appraisals to be honest. Not sure how legit they were but you should always be able to pay the appraiser directly and if the comps per sqft are off you should also be able to dispute the appraisal as long as you have some strong information to back your claim then the number should get adjusted (Rare but it happens)

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2018 · 18 posts · 8 votes
    7y
    @Wayne Brooks good info Wayne is there a direction to get to the lenders at the county records to see who funded what? Is that possible to find online and if so what section?
  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Jonah Bee:
    @Wayne Brooks good info Wayne is there a direction to get to the lenders at the county records to see who funded what? Is that possible to find online and if so what section?

     its how note buyers create their data base's and then direct mail to lenders to buy notes... just like folks direct mail to homeowners.. the info is all public record.

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y
    @Yasuha J. Dorce my first question would be why it took so long to get the appraisal done? That should have happened within the first week or so. Having a low appraisal (assuming it came in low, killing the deal) happens, and maybe for you it is a blessing in disguise and kept you from losing several thousand, instead of several hundred.
  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    @Jonah Bee Wherever your deeds and mtgs are recorded....in FL it’s the clerk of court, some places call it land records, recorders office, etc. 

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2018 · 18 posts · 8 votes
    7y

    Thank you very much!

  • Realtor · Miami, FL · Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 23 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Tarik Turner:

    That can happen with appraisals to be honest. Not sure how legit they were but you should always be able to pay the appraiser directly and if the comps per sqft are off you should also be able to dispute the appraisal as long as you have some strong information to back your claim then the number should get adjusted (Rare but it happens)

     That’s exactly what I thought. It’s what should’ve taken place. I needed to hear this other aspect though. Really helpful. 

  • Jared RineBusiness Member
    Lender · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 277 votes
    7y

    @Yasuha J. Dorce...I don't know if they're real or not.  I don't know if you were dealing with Sean Richway over there, but they're always been something about them that has made me keep at arms distance, even though they tout their fix/flip programs.

    They don't let you appeal on the appraisal value??  That doesn't sit right with me, as even in conventional loans you have that right.  If you know your market, then maybe something was up, or maybe they didn't do a good appraisal.  Hopefully it wasn't them taking you.  

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  • Sean RichwayBusiness Member
    Lender · Chevy Chase, MD · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 136 votes
    7y

    @Yasuha J. Dorce Just wanted to respond here for the other side of the story. The ARV that was given to use when we first took the deal in was $720,000 based on your valuation you gave the property. The property is a 4 bed and 2.1 baths with 2,026 square feet. Comp 1 that was used was .36 miles away and sold on 8/1/18. 3 bed and 2 baths with 1,780 square feet adjusted to $588,000 value and sold for $571,500. 3.29% gross adjustment factor. Comp 2 that was used was .03 miles away, on the same street as subject, and sold on 9/21/18. 3 bed and 2 baths with 2,171 square feet adjusted to $586,000 value and sold for $585,000. 2.69% gross adjustment factor. Comp 3 that was used was .08 miles away, next block over, and sold on 8/17/18. 4 bed and 4 baths with 2,502 square feet adjusted to $559,000 value and sold for $585,000. 5.36% gross adjustment factor.  The final value given here was $575,000 which we felt was well justified.  We never once said you couldn't rebuttal it.  We had just informed you that we need evidence as to why you felt these comps were inappropriate, which was never provided.  We cannot just go back to the appraiser and say this is wrong but I can't say or show other comps to support why it is wrong.  I am more than open to argue values but need something to support that argument.  If anyone has any issues or doubts about our legitimacy as a lender feel free to reach out and I can provide over 100's of references if needed to vouch.

    Also, we obviously charged a fee to the borrower to cover the cost of our reports so we aren't eating that cost on our end.  We would go out of business if we ran in that manner.  Feel free to reach out or respond with any other doubts or concerns you may have.

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  • Realtor · Miami, FL · Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 23 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Sean Richway:

    @Yasuha J. Dorce Yes Sean, I have sent the rebuttal evidence to your company. I have sent three comps all within a one mile radius. That support my initial 720 ARV. They were completely renovation properties.

    One closed 08/28/18 @ 660k. 1584 sf. 3/2 Only .13 miles away. 

    Second closed 06/19/18 @628k 1389 sf. 3/2 Only  .79 miles away.

    Third closed 08/24/18 @ 764k 1823 sf. 3/2 Only .95 miles away. 

     The comps that were use in the appraisal, adjusted or not. Were not renovated properties, all of them. I could give you all the evidence you need to go back to the company you choose for the apprasial. But when dealing with your closing agent. He advised me that your company would not do just that. So your saying one thing on this forum and your people are doing another thing in real reality. I would definitely appreciate a revisit of those numbers. 

  • Sean RichwayBusiness Member
    Lender · Chevy Chase, MD · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 136 votes
    7y

    @Yasuha J. Dorce  I was the one that sent you the appraisal and said this was a deal killer.  Never received any response from you after that.  The only comp I received from you was in Fort Lauderdale which is a completely different section of FL as well as market conditions than Overland Park.  What are the addresses of the 3 comps you are referencing above?

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  • Realtor · Miami, FL · Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 23 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Sean Richway:

    @Yasuha J. Dorce  I was the one that sent you the appraisal and said this was a deal killer.  Never received any response from you after that.  The only comp I received from you was in Fort Lauderdale which is a completely different section of FL as well as market conditions than Overland Park.  What are the addresses of the 3 comps you are referencing above?

     I just sent you an email with the address and proof of value. Oakland Park is a suburb of Ft. Lauderdale. Practically next door to one another. 

  • Investor · Miami, FL · Member since 2015 · 379 posts · 330 votes
    7y

    Hey @Yasuha J. Dorce

    Would you be willing to drop the address and allow locals to run an analysis? 

    The deal is dead anyways. I just think it would be the fair thing to do before staining someone's reputation. I cannot count the amount of times agents at my own firm come to me with a deal that would not pass a hard money loan. When using hard money you really need to be a lot more stringent with values, it is a high risk investment. Just because the numbers keep you positive in a cash purchase does not mean it is a project someone is willing to lend on. For the record Oakland Park & Wilton Manors are right next to each other but to compare a sale in each respective area would be comparing apples to oranges. 

    Full Disclosure: I HAVE NO AFFILIATION NOR HAVE EVER HEARD OF SEAN OR THIS LENDER. I USE MY OWN PRIVATE LENDER.

  • Realtor · Miami, FL · Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 23 votes
    7y
    @Gabe Amedee Sure I’ll post the address. But for the record, I posed a question in an open forum. I don’t think it’s a strain on a reputation. But a hurt dog will holla. So I digress. Subject property: 1730 NE 40th CT Oakland Park, FL 33334 Comps I selected: #1. 1732 NE 35TH ST Oakland Park, FL 33334 3/2 2620 sq ft / Pool Closed: 680K 5/10/18 #2. 2748 NE 34th ST Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33306 3/2 2251 sq ft / Pool Closed: 740K 9/28/18 #3. 4211 NE 28th AVE Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33308 3/2 2695 sq ft / Pool Closed: 764K 8/24/18 #4. 2120 NE 44th ST Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33308 3/2 2652 sq ft / Pool Closed: 825K 7/19/18
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