How We Bought a Duplex With No $ and Got $10k at Closing

How We Bought a Duplex With No $ and Got $10k at Closing

Investor · Caledonia, NY · Member since 2013 · 114 posts · 41 votes

My husband and I are “buy and holders”, and we’ve been slowly adding to our rental property portfolio for the past few years. The more we learn, the more creative we get.

Our first purchase together, a duplex for just under $75k, was super conventional: we purchased in our name (not our LLC), we paid retail, we put 30% down and got a 30-year conventional residential mortgage. We've learned a lot since then, but I would STILL make the same purchase today. It had a 20+% CoC return, and cash-flows like a sonofagun! Initially, our plan was to save the cash flow until we had enough to put 30% down on our next purchase, but we learned more and went in a few different directions.

Our next purchase, a SFH, was a foreclosure we purchased on Auction.com using just a bit of our own capital with private money covering the remainder. We still purchased in our name, but we got instant equity by buying a $75k house for $50k. We found a portfolio lender who didn't require the 6-month seasoning, so we put a conventional mortgage on the place right away and repaid the private money and ourselves.

Our next purchase, a SFH, we purchased in our LLC's name and paid $10k cash for it at a county tax auction.

We also each had former primary residences that we’d turned into rental properties.

When we found this duplex, we were planning to go the conventional route again - put 30% down, get a conventional mortgage for the remainder. Then I had another idea. We had three properties with a good amount of equity in them. Why not see if we could find a local lender willing to do a blanket mortgage on three existing properties plus this new one? We also wanted all of the properties and the blanket mortgage to be in our LLC's name.

One of our local portfolio lenders said they could do this, so we began the process. I make this sound effortless, but it most certainly wasn't! This was something pretty out of the ordinary for the attorneys (the bank's and ours), and it took more than five months from accepted offer to closing. The three existing properties were in three different counties, each had a mortgage with a different lender, and they were all in my husband's name. We had to have surveys and abstracts for all four properties. We had to pay a mortgage tax on the new blanket mortgage in the county with the highest rate, and then prove to the other two counties that the mortgage tax had indeed been paid. My husband had to do three quit-claim deeds moving the existing properties into our LLC, and we had to record docs in three different counties. Our (very seasoned) real estate attorney said that he had just closed a $12million dollar deal that wasn't NEARLY as complicated as this one, and he brought one of his new junior associates to the closing as a learning opportunity.

When all is said and done:

  • We will have four properties in our LLC,
  • We will have a new cash-flowing rental property,
  • The three mortgages on the existing properties in my husband’s name will be paid off,
  • My husband will be able to borrow more mortgages in his name,
  • We will have about $2300/month in cash flow from the four properties (rents minus blanket mortgage P&I + taxes + insurance),
  • We will have about $10k in our pocket after all closing costs and expenses are paid.

Then on to the next deal!  

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Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
7y

Thanks for sharing a great story!

I considered doing a blanket mortgage once,  but then I tried buying a house from an investor with one and he couldn't get that house released from under the blanket.  For me it was just another house. For him it was a major setback.

Is the release process outlined in your loan docs so you can sell separately down the line?

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  • Killeen · Member since 2018 · 13 posts · 3 votes
    8y

    Thank you for the information you provided.  We too are looking to do something similar therefore I'm on here looking for ideas.  We have 1 rental property and the opportunity to purchase 6 more at once.  A blanket mortgage seems the most logical for all 7 properties instead of 6 x 25% down.  Now off to find the mortgage.

  • Rental Property Investor · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2018 · 179 posts · 192 votes
    8y

    Congtratulations, @Tara Piantanida-Kelly.  Thanks for sharing.  Greatly appreciated.  Onward and upward!  Best wishes and continued success to you and husband.

  • Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2018 · 44 posts · 20 votes
    8y

    Nice write up. Thanks for sharing!

  • Meriden, CT · Member since 2018 · 21 posts · 5 votes
    8y

    Great write up! Inspiring to dig deeper into creative financing.

  • Investor · Arlington, VA · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 491 votes
    8y

    Thanks for sharing!  Continous learning is what it's all about!  Keep in mind that as a married couple, you can hold a total of 20 properties in your name (10 in yours, 10 in your husbands).  The rates and terms on conventional mortgages tend to be better which is why some BP members advocate maxing those before moving onto commericial loans.  In any case, congratulations on this creative strategy.  

  • Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2016 · 13 posts · 4 votes
    8y

    As a soon-to-be First Time buyer, these types of true stories really help me ignore the analysis paralysis. Thank you for sharing with us and continued success!!

    Joe Goforth

    St. Louis, MO

  • Real Estate Agent · Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2018 · 18 posts · 4 votes
    7y

    This is all so fascinating! Thanks for posting. Question: How close do you live to all of your properties?

  • Investor · Caledonia, NY · Member since 2013 · 114 posts · 41 votes
    7y

    Hi @Susan Little .  For the properties we own in western New York, we try to keep them within a 30-minute drive.  The one we bought at a county tax sale is more than an hour away, and we found that it's too far for us.  We won't be doing that again!  The properties that we own in Oregon are professionally managed, so we don't need to be close by.  Good luck!  

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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
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  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    7y

    Thanks for sharing a great story!

    I considered doing a blanket mortgage once,  but then I tried buying a house from an investor with one and he couldn't get that house released from under the blanket.  For me it was just another house. For him it was a major setback.

    Is the release process outlined in your loan docs so you can sell separately down the line?

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Steve Vaughan:

    Thanks for sharing a great story!

    I considered doing a blanket mortgage once,  but then I tried buying a house from an investor with one and he couldn't get that house released from under the blanket.  For me it was just another house. For him it was a major setback.

    Is the release process outlined in your loan docs so you can sell separately down the line?

    one needs to always have release clauses negotiated and in writing in the NOTE> and Mortgage.

    although its common to pay prorate plus 10 to 20% more to get a property released.

    this is how we do our subdivision new build loans..  we get say 30 loans.. by the time we are paying off loan 24.. the final lots are all paid for.. bank feel more secure getting advanced payoffs and we get whopper proceeds checks on the last 6 houses.. :) 

  • Raleigh, NC · Member since 2017 · 347 posts · 94 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Tara Piantanida-Kelly:

    My husband and I are “buy and holders”, and we’ve been slowly adding to our rental property portfolio for the past few years. The more we learn, the more creative we get.

    Our first purchase together, a duplex for just under $75k, was super conventional: we purchased in our name (not our LLC), we paid retail, we put 30% down and got a 30-year conventional residential mortgage. We've learned a lot since then, but I would STILL make the same purchase today. It had a 20+% CoC return, and cash-flows like a sonofagun! Initially, our plan was to save the cash flow until we had enough to put 30% down on our next purchase, but we learned more and went in a few different directions.

    Our next purchase, a SFH, was a foreclosure we purchased on Auction.com using just a bit of our own capital with private money covering the remainder. We still purchased in our name, but we got instant equity by buying a $75k house for $50k. We found a portfolio lender who didn't require the 6-month seasoning, so we put a conventional mortgage on the place right away and repaid the private money and ourselves.

    Our next purchase, a SFH, we purchased in our LLC's name and paid $10k cash for it at a county tax auction.

    We also each had former primary residences that we’d turned into rental properties.

    When we found this duplex, we were planning to go the conventional route again - put 30% down, get a conventional mortgage for the remainder. Then I had another idea. We had three properties with a good amount of equity in them. Why not see if we could find a local lender willing to do a blanket mortgage on three existing properties plus this new one? We also wanted all of the properties and the blanket mortgage to be in our LLC's name.

    One of our local portfolio lenders said they could do this, so we began the process. I make this sound effortless, but it most certainly wasn't! This was something pretty out of the ordinary for the attorneys (the bank's and ours), and it took more than five months from accepted offer to closing. The three existing properties were in three different counties, each had a mortgage with a different lender, and they were all in my husband's name. We had to have surveys and abstracts for all four properties. We had to pay a mortgage tax on the new blanket mortgage in the county with the highest rate, and then prove to the other two counties that the mortgage tax had indeed been paid. My husband had to do three quit-claim deeds moving the existing properties into our LLC, and we had to record docs in three different counties. Our (very seasoned) real estate attorney said that he had just closed a $12million dollar deal that wasn't NEARLY as complicated as this one, and he brought one of his new junior associates to the closing as a learning opportunity.

    When all is said and done:

    • We will have four properties in our LLC,
    • We will have a new cash-flowing rental property,
    • The three mortgages on the existing properties in my husband’s name will be paid off,
    • My husband will be able to borrow more mortgages in his name,
    • We will have about $2300/month in cash flow from the four properties (rents minus blanket mortgage P&I + taxes + insurance),
    • We will have about $10k in our pocket after all closing costs and expenses are paid.

    Then on to the next deal!  

     nicely done.  How do you deal/budget for repairs / capex?

  • Rental Property Investor · Holley, NY · Member since 2011 · 507 posts · 347 votes
    7y

    @Tara Piantanida-Kelly - I'm not far from you, so curious which bank you worked with on this.  If you prefer to PM me, that's ok.  

    I saw your update post about the one property being an hour away and an extra challenge.  One lesson I was taught before my first blanket mortgage was to make sure there is a clause allowing you to sell off one property without having to refinance the remaining properties all over again.  A very recent example of the importance of this for me - we have 4 properties under a blanket mortgage with Bank of Castile.  Out of the blue, a neighbor of one of the properties contacted us to ask our interest in selling, even though we weren't even considering it.  We are still negotiating, but because we have that clause in our current mortgage, I have already confirmed that I could sell the subject property, pay a certain amount against the mortgage in order to get a partial release of mortgage for the subject and continue forward.

  • Real Estate Agent · Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2018 · 18 posts · 4 votes
    7y

    Thank you!!

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