New Member from Portsmouth, NH

New Member from Portsmouth, NH

Portsmouth, NH · Member since 2014 · 12 posts · 3 votes

Hello BP!

My name is Colin, I’m from Portsmouth, NH (Seacoast region). I’ve been a part of a number of forums in the past, but the BP community is unique. The encouragement and user support is something other forums should look to emulate. I thought it was about time I make an introduction so that I can start engaging with all the wonderful investors out there. 

I first stumbled into real estate last year when I purchased a condo (in a 120 year old building) in Portsmouth, NH in need of serious repair. I fell in love with the design aspect of the renovation. The steps of accomplishment along the way were truly gratifying. Transforming a living area from poor to breathtaking is a process I want to continue over and over again. My goal is to purchase a multi-family house in the seacoast area this year. I welcome a project that needs repair; I feel I can create a large value-add to houses in rough shape. I’m a buy and hold investor at heart, looking to build a self-managed rental portfolio in the local area.

The markets I've been targeting, Dover, Newmarket and Portsmouth are exceedingly "hot" right now. I have a ritual of analyzing every potential property that hits the MLS. Seemingly no properties listed over the last two months (with the exceptions of one) provide a reasonable cash flow. The critically acclaimed "2%" rental does not exist and a 1% rental is a rare find. I understand the 2% rule cannot be used in each and every region because of a multitude of variables, but I'm interested in how investors, specifically those in the pricier coastal Northeast regions are finding cash-flowing properties. I'd be interested to hear how investors have managed to expand their portfolio of small multi-family rentals over the last year. Have you had the best success doing mailing campaigns, using a wholesaler or simply using MLS?

Cheers!

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Investor · Stratham, NH · Member since 2015 · 43 posts · 16 votes
9y
My opinion is that there is still opportunity for a reasonable deal in Dover and Newmarket. You are not going to find anything close to the 2 percent mark...but you can find a property that will provide good cash flow. These are base hits and not the home runs that you hear about on the podcasts. I have been hesitant to broaden my search to somersworth and Rochester...just not comfortable with the quality of tenant. What are people's thoughts on Eliot and Kittery?
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  • Professional · Carlsbad, CA · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    @Colin Reilly

    Welcome to Bigger Pockets. A great resource is the webinars section of the website. https://www.biggerpockets.com/proreplay

  • Portsmouth, NH · Member since 2014 · 12 posts · 3 votes
    9y

    Thanks!

    @Mark Nolan

    You are so right about that!

  • Rental Property Investor · Davenport, FL · Member since 2016 · 593 posts · 382 votes
    9y

    @Colin Reilly Welcome and good luck with your search for cash flowing properties. 

  • Portsmouth, NH · Member since 2014 · 12 posts · 3 votes
    9y
  • Robbie ReutzelBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Shirley, MA · Member since 2014 · 305 posts · 211 votes
    9y

    Hi @Colin Reilly,

    Welcome to BiggerPockets!

    To answer your question, while we monitor the MLS, the vast majority of our leads come from other sources. Direct mail, referrals from agents, attorneys and others, bird dogs, online etc.

    I'm not saying you can't find properties on the MLS but, as you said, it's very difficult in our market (MA) and yours. You can end up wasting a lot of time.

    Best of luck,

    Rob

  • Investor · Farmington, NH · Member since 2014 · 38 posts · 23 votes
    9y

    I agree with Rob. I don't know how anyone buys these places in Dover-Portsmouth at the prices they are asking on MLS. Unless they have a bunch of money to put down, and keep the payments low. But then their Cash-on-Cash return will suffer. I look in the Somersworth, Rochester, and Farmington are, but as far as the MLS those seem to have dried up recently. Anyway, good luck Colin, and welcome.

  • Investor · Stratham, NH · Member since 2015 · 43 posts · 16 votes
    9y

    Colin,

    Welcome to BP. I am also an investor in the Seacoast area and focus on multifamily. You are correct in that the 2% rule will be nearly impossible to find on the MLS. I too analyze about every multi that comes on the market. I recently closed on a duplex in Dover that is about 1.5% after I adjust up to market rents. For me, the cash flow is good and the property needed minimal repairs....and there is a strong possibility of converting this 2 unit to a 3 unit, so a lot of upside potential.

    I have not yet explored doing any mailings, but that might be my next step once I get this one stabilized.

    John

  • Portsmouth, NH · Member since 2014 · 12 posts · 3 votes
    9y

    Good info @Robbie Reutzel 

    I suspect the added effort in direct mailings, referrals, etc. create the worthy opportunities in our market. My girlfriend will be getting her real estate license in the next few months so that we can focus on direct mail deals with no broker fees. Naturally, those that go to MLS are looking to profit from a seller's market. You're right, you need to find the potential seller before they consider bringing the deal to market!

  • Portsmouth, NH · Member since 2014 · 12 posts · 3 votes
    9y

    You got that right @Al Bigonia

    That's precisely the quandary I face in those markets. You need to have a lot of money to put down, but the upfront capital diminishes your potential COC return. You name some other good ancillary markets. I've been looking there as well, but I'm more comfortable in the markets I named. I've lived in Portsmouth for 25 years. The Spring season is approaching and hopefully that grants us both an opportunity. Perhaps I will get to meet you at a future REIA meeting!

  • Portsmouth, NH · Member since 2014 · 12 posts · 3 votes
    9y

    @John McRae That's amazing news!

    Can I ask what street your duplex is on? That gives me hope! 1.5% is a win!

  • Real Estate Broker · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2016 · 569 posts · 351 votes
    9y

    Hi,Mr. Colin Reilly,Welcome To Biggerpockets World Of Success.I hope You will be more successful.

  • Danielle RattoPro Member
    Dover, NH · Member since 2013 · 34 posts · 4 votes
    9y

    Hi Colin, welcome to BP! Finding deals in the Seacoast area has definitely gotten harder. You are correct, in the towns you named the 2% and even 1% rule are hard to come by. I currently househack a duplex in Somersworth. For our next property, I like @Al Bigonia, am looking to the towns bordering the "hot towns" that you mentioned, because there are still some cash flowing deals (although it is getting harder even in those towns). I am very surprised every time I see the the price of the recently sold multi-families in the area, as there is very little room, if any at all, for cash flow at these prices!

    Good luck! 

  • Solo 401k Expert · Anaheim Hills, CA · Member since 2012 · 18k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    9y

    @Colin Reilly

    Welcome to the BP family! Here are some recommendations for you:

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    Wishing you the best!

  • Portsmouth, NH · Member since 2014 · 12 posts · 3 votes
    9y

    @Danielle Ratto

    Yes, looks like others are starting to follow your strategy as well. Have you had good success with renters in Somersworth? I would be fine moving outside of the "hot towns," but I fear that the supply of quality renters may adversely change? I want to do everything possible to protect my rental assets by targeting quality tenants. My feeling is that Newmarket, Dover Portsmouth areas could achieve this? I could be totally wrong on this and I'd love you to correct me if I am!

    I agree! Reviewing the recently sold listings is often comical!

  • Investor · Stratham, NH · Member since 2015 · 43 posts · 16 votes
    9y
    My opinion is that there is still opportunity for a reasonable deal in Dover and Newmarket. You are not going to find anything close to the 2 percent mark...but you can find a property that will provide good cash flow. These are base hits and not the home runs that you hear about on the podcasts. I have been hesitant to broaden my search to somersworth and Rochester...just not comfortable with the quality of tenant. What are people's thoughts on Eliot and Kittery?
  • Investor · Dover, NH · Member since 2016 · 49 posts · 20 votes
    9y

    I agree with @John McRae. We bought a small 2 family in Dover that will cash flow pretty nicely once we fix it up. We currently live in a 2 family in Somersworth that we house hacked and are continuing on. We have not had a hard time at all finding quality tenants in Rochester or Somersworth and Dover should be even easier. We have only been doing this for 3 years and our first tenants in both units stayed almost 3 years. The house we bought in Dover already has a tenant in place that has been there for 6 years! I am also interested i Kittery area as my husband works at the shipyard. 

  • Investor · Dover, NH · Member since 2016 · 49 posts · 20 votes
    9y

    btw... weonly  put 5% down so that makes a big difference on down payment and coc return

  • Portsmouth, NH · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    Hi Seacoasters! So great to see specific conversation on our area. Are there local groups you all attend? Would love to connect with some.

  • Portsmouth, NH · Member since 2014 · 12 posts · 3 votes
    9y

     @Sara Huestis I would love to know if you end up finding a REIA group.

  • Portsmouth, NH · Member since 2014 · 12 posts · 3 votes
    9y

     @Megan Frank 

    What is the estimated post-repair cash on cash return for the Dover NH duplex? I'd love to see your projection. Good luck with repairs!

  • Real Estate Broker · Manchester, NH · Member since 2014 · 630 posts · 420 votes
    9y

    @Colin Reilly & @Sara Huestis It doesn't appear that there are any active REIA groups on the seacoast unfortunately. You have to venture out to the Greater Manchester area to find any in NH. There was one that had started back in June, but I haven't seen a whole lot of activity lately.

    Best of luck with your endeavors!  Off-market deals seem to be one of the few ways to get a reasonable return in the seacoast!  

  • Danielle RattoPro Member
    Dover, NH · Member since 2013 · 34 posts · 4 votes
    9y

    @Colin Reilly  Having grown up in Dover and my husband in newmarket I can tell you, you will find great tenants in those towns and also bad tenants in any of those towns. There are streets in both dover and Newmarket to steer clear from, but overall they are definitely nicer towns just prepare to adjust your expectations for cash flow (margins will be slimmer). 

    We have had great tenants and our current tenants are three young adults out of college who are all teachers and can't afford the expensive rents those other towns have. They are quiet, pay their rent early, and are ideal tenants. We screened our tenants THOROUGHLY to prevent bad tenants (as much as possible), but we definitely get all sorts of crazy applications and calls from unfit tenants. We pre-screen over the phone with our criteria before we ever show the apartment to avoid wasting our time and to weed out any potential unfit tenants. 

    Good luck in your search! If you are set on those towns you might want to get creative and try to find some deals off the market, or have all your ducks in a row to be ready to jump as soon as you see a potential deal hit the MLS!

  • Rental Property Investor · Portsmouth, NH · Member since 2016 · 7 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    Hey all! 

    New investor on the seacoast and have run into many of the issues listed above... I'm specifically looking for multi-families but there doesn't seem to be a lot of inventory in seacoast NH. I've started reaching out a bit further into Maine, specifically the South Berwick/Berwick area as well as up 95 as far as Biddeford/Saco. Has anyone found any luck in these areas?

    If there are any REIA groups formed on the seacoast, would love to join.. may hop over to Manchester too - I know they have their next meeting this Wednesday (2/8/17) if anyone is interested in making the drive... It's at:

    The Best Western Executive Court, 13500 South Willow Street, Manchester

  • Rental Property Investor · Rochester, NH · Member since 2016 · 116 posts · 27 votes
    9y

    Welcome Colin! 

    You're welcome at the REIA, which I just posted,

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/521/topics/410011-seacoast-nh-real-estate-investors-club

  • Portsmouth, NH · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    @Matt Lefebvre @Colin Reilly @Chris Petzy Just wanted to be sure you saw @Raymond McGill's invite for next week in Portsmouth. Thanks very much, Raymond - hoping to be there! Do you have a regular schedule of these meetings?

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