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I've been wondering lately if the American people would rise up and fight for ANYTHING? My personal opinion is that the American people would give up every single right they have (including their property) and become virtual slaves to a socialist/communist/fascist government without any fight whatsoever (or has that ship already sailed).
Is there ANYTHING that YOU would fight for? Anything at all?
For full disclosure, I did not read the entire thread..... Politics gets boring. Too many viewpoints, not much in the way of facts
here are some facts
As a young man I served in the USMC. I was an infantryman in Desert Storm. We were ordered to go out and do terriable things to young men just like ourselves, it was our duty. We all took the oath. We all wanted to be there.
In the name of my wife and children, I would do much worse to any involved, with a smile on my face......
I know a Vietnam jarhead, he was with 1/9, the walking dead. Those guys know what a bad day really is.
We spoke about Mrs Neopalatiano and her singleing out of Vet's as a threat.
His comment was. " that is the only person in DC that understands what a threat is", LOL
We are blessd as a country. Go to the Westbank and ask this question.
J Scott if you are willing to keep your fearless leader in line on the above issue, I will put up with him for now... as long as he doesn't do anything else insane...
Hey Mike,
I just went to Chicago to see Topol perform in Fiddler on the Roof. Amazing show. Anyway, it got me to thinking. The power that the Tsar had, our federal government also has - eminent domain. What would you do if eminent domain was exercised on your property at today's artificially devalued pricing, funded by the money printing machine?
I just went to Chicago to see Topol perform in Fiddler on the Roof. Amazing show. Anyway, it got me to thinking. The power that the Tsar had, our federal government also has - eminent domain. What would you do if eminent domain was exercised on your property at today's artificially devalued pricing, funded by the money printing machine?
It's actually worse than that...
The good news is that the US government rarely takes property by eminent domain...
More commonly, it's the states or even local jurisdictions that take property via eminent domain (they were granted this right as part of the 14th Amendment, which gave states a great deal of latitude in overseeing their jurisdictions), and way too often the remuneration is very low. Not only that, but they can take personal property as well as real estate, with the proper justification.
George W. passed an executive order back in 2006 that reiterates that the Federal Government must limit the taking of private property to only when needed for public use (proving that he did make an occasional good decision). This, coupled with various Supreme Court decisions going back about 130 years, makes it very unlikely that the Feds will take your land, unless it's a matter of protecting its citizens.
Not saying you don't have to worry about it happening, but you should be MUCH more concerned with your state or local municipality taking your land than the US government.
If you mean one piece of property for a specific purpose, I'd probably let them take in exchange for the best renumeration I could get. If you mean that they wanted to take all real estate nationwide in the name of socialism, then I think the answer is simple - FIGHT!
I know it's unlikely....just about as unlikely as the federal government taking 51% of a private corporation.
It is something to be mindful of, especially now that some areas are selling houses so cheap that Section 8 rents cover the cost of purchasing the house in 3-5 years. If I were in power and had no respect of personal property rights and felt I could bend the Constitution at will, I would certainly consider a means of acquiring those properties and leveraging them for government funding of more voters loyal to me.
Again, nothing like this has happened (then again, when was the last time the feds acquired 51% of a private company). It is something that occurred to me as a hypothetical.
If I were in power and had no respect of personal property rights and felt I could bend the Constitution at will, I would certainly consider a means of acquiring those properties and leveraging them for government funding of more voters loyal to me.
Very sad...but good to know...thank you for your honesty...
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, ... That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it.
But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
Thomas Jefferson - The Declaration of Independence
The Iranian people appear to be willing to fight and die for their freedom.
What amazes me about this is they're not even hoping to get full freedom. They're willing to die for the promise of just a little bit more freedom - a president who promises a little more while under the same power of the same ayatollah.
I know that all human life has value but when you see a young beautiful girl shot like an animal...I don't know how to express it. Just so you know, an Iranian citizen can't own a gun. Only the police and military can. And now Iran is petitioning Lebanon to send military "help" against their unarmed populace.
Mike....I have to admit, this thread has got me to thinking and doing some reanalysis about what I am willing to fight for. My strategy before included stores of food, firearms and a bug out plan. My focus was self preservation and getting me and mine out of dodge, not necessarily fighting..... I don't know now.....
Had Obama lost to McCain, I think we would have seen far more unrest in our cities right here in secular humanist USA.
You don't think we're seeing unrest now? The tea parties were the largest organized protest of government in the entire history of the United States. No one seemed to want to add that as an accomplishment of President Obama's first 100 days.
I've been wondering lately if the American people would rise up and fight for ANYTHING? My personal opinion is that the American people would give up every single right they have (including their property) and become virtual slaves to a socialist/communist/fascist government without any fight whatsoever (or has that ship already sailed).
Is there ANYTHING that YOU would fight for? Anything at all?
Mike i am with you on this one. I can't believe people have become so dull and complacent. This country is still the best in the world and we have to fight to keep it. People have to pull their blind fold and snap out of their daze. You are right we have a communist government and we elected them. It is time to wake up before it is too late...
How about our rights as working American citizens for our jobs and the economy. Such as GM suspending the new 4.5 liter turbo diesel engines for 2010 to offer a cleaner more fuel efficient engine for small and midsized trucks...laying off people and shutting down plants all while the the CEO are getting $162 million severance packages and $50 million bonuses. FIRST..the auto manufacturers should not be bailed out, they are private sector, board members and share holders. I dont think KMart got a bailout package, or Bills Tires in East Podunk...people need to wake up and stop taking the governments word for what it is and think for themselves...before theres a real problem.
What right for what job? There is a right for an economy?
I believe there is a right for the pursuit of happiness, which do not guarantee that we will get it.
Laying people off in one plant, to afford to start up production in another plant due to the change in engines is a business decision that you and I may agree or disagree upon. But in the end is that business decision to make, not ours. No one talks about how many plants were opened in the new communities and how many new jobs were had by people in those plants making the new engines. We just want to talk about what was lost. Wonder why!
Leave the business alone to do what they do. If they fail still leave them alone. We still have the right to pursue happiness, we just will not find it with that business. It is then time to move on to the next deal (or job for those relying on work for happiness).
I will fight for everyone's right to PURSUE happiness. But in order to pursue anything you have to acutally WORK (ouch that four letter word) at it to succeed.
I went back to read the posts and MikeOH started this thread and still has it correct. Also in another one of my posts, jawsette corrected me telling me that name calling and finger pointing along with throwing money at things never fixes a thing. Actions do...and the question still stands from Mike..What will you fight for? How many cases of Eminent Domain (in common law legal systems is the inherent power of the state to seize a citizen's private property, expropriate property, or seize a citizen's rights in property with due monetary compensation, but without the owner's consent. The property is taken either for government use or by delegation to third parties who will devote it to public or civic use or, in some cases, economic development. The most common uses of property taken by eminent domain are for public utilities, highways, and railroads) need to occur or how high does unemployment need to go...how many more American jobs should be outsourced to China...Inda...Malyasia before people want to stop living off food stamps and government handouts? What crisis needs to happen for America to not take 40cents less on the bottom line and keep a job here? Greed is more important than Pride...and its a shame
You are right, just as i stated. That they are the Private sector and should be left alone....The board members and share holders make the decisions...not the government...For the government to request that Rick Wagoner to step down is wrong. As for the engines...there wont be new ones, the 4.5 diesel were supposed to be the new ones being made and were scrapped indefinitely this week. Again you are correct stating that Jobs are not a right and should be attained through WORK and by pursuing them. However..I was trying to make the point that greed...at any level (even though..like you stated, it is there decision, they are a PRIVATE business) there should not be $50 million bonuses while people are getting laid off...it was more of an Ethics argument
The ED issue is a very good example of how the gov IMO has overstepped their bounds for the people's good.
They began, a while ago, to take people's properties for ED only to sell it to a company (such as wallmart) because it will bring in more taxes with which they can serve the public better.
SUCH BS.
If a company cant do it on their own they should fail. If a governmental unit cant provide the services needed to their people it should be dissolved.
I do believe that the greed on individuals is not the real problem, but the greed of government in wanting more of your money through taxes which they can not get now within this economy, so they must resort to business "ownernship" to get more money for their "pet projects".
Now I am not advocating the us governmental overthrow, but do believe that they must be reigned in somewhat. And the best way is those freedom rallies spoken of earlier.
Im not understanding entirely. You say that ED is ok with you because its for the peoples good, but then say SUCH BS...im just not following. Do you think its a good idea..or not a good idea. The fifth amendment states that the govt can not take private property for public use without compensation. To overstep that for Wal-Mart seems a little excessive. And Im agreeing with you that a company, no matter how big or small should fail,..without question. And if the govt cant protect us, or provide provide a perfect union or domestic tranquility, then it should be dissolved
NO, I did not say that ED is ok with me. I said that the ED issue is an good example of abuses of the government that we should stand up and fight against!!!!!!!!
And the governments that I was speaking of which were using the ED issue incorrectly WERE mainly the local ones. Those cities that can not sustain themselves (just like the old "ghost towns") should be dissolved which turns that authority back over to the county and or state.
But now we see even the Federal government using the ED issue (for the people own good) to stick their noses into business where it dont belong.
If that is not an issue that will get everyone to stand up and fight, starting by letting your voice be heard at one of those "freedom rallies" than I am not sure what will. This one issue can take us from our capitalistic
society to a socialistic society before we even realize it!