Is ANYTHING Worth Fighting For?
Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
I've been wondering lately if the American people would rise up and fight for ANYTHING? My personal opinion is that the American people would give up every single right they have (including their property) and become virtual slaves to a socialist/communist/fascist government without any fight whatsoever (or has that ship already sailed).
Is there ANYTHING that YOU would fight for? Anything at all?
For full disclosure, I did not read the entire thread..... Politics gets boring. Too many viewpoints, not much in the way of facts
here are some facts
As a young man I served in the USMC. I was an infantryman in Desert Storm. We were ordered to go out and do terriable things to young men just like ourselves, it was our duty. We all took the oath. We all wanted to be there.
In the name of my wife and children, I would do much worse to any involved, with a smile on my face......
I know a Vietnam jarhead, he was with 1/9, the walking dead. Those guys know what a bad day really is.
We spoke about Mrs Neopalatiano and her singleing out of Vet's as a threat.
His comment was. " that is the only person in DC that understands what a threat is", LOL
We are blessd as a country. Go to the Westbank and ask this question.
imo the only reason why Obama and the media paint the economy like an insurmountable obstacle is because the fear and confusion over the uneducated masses is good for political power and control. it's an emotional, illogical ploy. and since liberal policy caused the crisis in the first place he basically has to lie to cover up lies when it comes to the economy.
I wrote the white house 2 letters today:
I would be a lot more interested in investing in USA if USA would stop spending, pay off the national debt, and focus on actual wealth creation, not merely moving existing resources around.
What percentage of the national debt will Obama have paid off by the end of his first term?
Yes Mike, I would and do fight. I fight for the principles of this country, that anyone can be anything they want if they work hard and have the guts to take risks, and against big government that want their hands in any and everything. The nationalization and government ownership of the car industry (and private businesses), the singling out of a group of individual citizens for punitive taxation, healthcare reform, the value added tax etc, etc are just a few of the most current examples.
I fight against any and all limitations set by the government that promote mediocrity, the status quo, irresponsibility and the message that the government will solve all my problems.
How do I fight, not violently, but with letters to my representatives, educating others to current events, and by reading and posting on forums like this one that promote innovation, creative, free speech, and the bettering of oneself.
Uh yeah...like Bush and the rest of his crew didn't do this 100x more with 9/11...let me take away your privacy, let me take away your Constitutional rights...all in the name of "protecting you"...
I must have been asleep for the past decade...
It doesn't matter if the guy pleaded guilty or not guilty and it doesn't matter if he was found guilty or not guilty. It also doesn't matter what he was accused of.
That's the beauty of living in the United States. You are allowed due process, and are assured your Constitutional rights, regardless of what crimes you might be accused of.
This is what our country was founded upon...I'm not sure why you are arguing against it instead of embracing it, and thanking whatever god you might believe in that you have these amazing, wonderful, fantastic things call rights under this absolutely awesome document called the Constitution.
Please don't help the government take these rights away, and please don't turn your back when they do.
Here is my take on the whole thing as far as politics go:
Democrats and Republicans these days are both Liberal (I think someone already mentioned that) and neither party has a clue or the desire to SOLVE the problems we face because nobody wants things to get worse on their watch. Instead, they try to patch the problem and pass it on to the next guy while in reality the problem gets bigger and bigger.
All of that is out of my control, all I can do is create wealth for my family and be prepared for the worst. I would not be surprised if these knuckleheads cause the dollar to collapse from all this $$ printing.
Jeff
As is a majority of the population of this country.
And there's nothing inherently wrong with having liberal beliefs (or any beliefs, for that matter).
So, in a representative form of government, if the population is mostly liberal, it's probably a good thing that the government is mostly liberal.
As far as having a government that just plain does stupid things, that's not a good thing...but we've seen that with both parties for many years now, so we really shouldn't be surprised... :)
J Scott,
I know that Obama got elected and all but I completely disagree with your comment that most of the country is liberal. If people knew exactly how liberal that guy was I don't think he would have gotten elected.
I can't remember the % of Pro-Life voters that voted for Obama, (lots of whom regret voting for him) but for the most part anyone that is Pro-Life is not going to have liberal beliefs.
On top of that, gun ownership is spreading like a southern california wild fire and I don't think Liberal's are the ones going out and buying guns and ammo.
I think the country is in the middle or perhaps more conservative, meanwhile the politicians keep going farther and farther left. If you talk to people about issues only without saying anything about a political party you'll find that most people will agree with a conservative point of view. I tested some liberal friends with exactly that and they agreed with almost every conservative idea we talked about yet they voted for Obama. Go figure.
Most people in this country listen to the media and do not do their own research to figure out what is really going on, if they did they would have figured out that we don't really know anything about Obama, but that's another issue.
Jeff
ok let me deal with this one at a time. I am a woman. remember that. I am intelligent, not stupid. can we please keep the discussions logical and factual and respectful.
Obama's actions are not justified just because others have done the same thing. is that clear? imo this is an American problem and a media problem...good luck with it. I am not American.
the stock markets crashed worldwide because of the lack of regulation of lending practices in the housing market that was set up about 10 years ago by Clinton (um, liberal), money was lent to people for housing who could not afford to pay it back, and mortgages were sold sliced diced and priced on worldwide stock markets as securities backed by property assets... the assumption was that housing prices would defy gravity and forever rise and the market would forever cooperate. if the Liberals (or for that matter the masses) read the "Economics in One Lesson" book the current Liberal monetary policies would cease to exist because they are illogical and do not work. would you lend money to people who can't pay it back? you can thank the bankers and Clinton for the current worldwide economic crisis.
I meant J Scott. Losing track of my liberals...lol.
J Scott here's a couple videos I think you haven't seen...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlTgrMCxPg
lol watching this video now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8
Great discussion, everyone. I'm glad that everyone has managed to maintain a level head here. As always, debating beliefs, ideas, etc., is great. I just want to remind everyone not to get personal with one another. Thanks!
For full disclosure, I did not read the entire thread..... Politics gets boring. Too many viewpoints, not much in the way of facts
here are some facts
As a young man I served in the USMC. I was an infantryman in Desert Storm. We were ordered to go out and do terriable things to young men just like ourselves, it was our duty. We all took the oath. We all wanted to be there.
In the name of my wife and children, I would do much worse to any involved, with a smile on my face......
I know a Vietnam jarhead, he was with 1/9, the walking dead. Those guys know what a bad day really is.
We spoke about Mrs Neopalatiano and her singleing out of Vet's as a threat.
His comment was. " that is the only person in DC that understands what a threat is", LOL
We are blessd as a country. Go to the Westbank and ask this question.
Thank you for your service Jeff. It's nice to get the perspective of someone who doesn't have to answer this question hypothetically.
Clinging to guns, religion (and lately youtube) is an all time winning strategy nothing short of koresh-esque - for a decreasing minority. And thus faux news was established.
It's a good thing some are intelligent, not stupid (as previously stated). Other than that, keep them arguments coming, it's pure entertainment!
yes, thank you, Jeff.
I appreciate it when people put things in perspective with facts and experience.
I also appreciate everything you've done for the rest of us.