Real Estate Investor · brighton, MI · Member since 2009 · 56 posts · 12 votes
Should we refom health care? Do we leave thing the way they are? Do we pay $800 co-pay per month and then bail out banks? Are we listening to our president or do we disagree just to disagree? Please share how you feel.
"...When there was a fire, all private insurance companies would send their fire crews to see if it was their customer and those that were other companies fire crews would have to get out of the way of the company who was the fire crew for that customer..."
Well, thanks for the history lesson. Actually, in some towns if you hadn't paid a seperate "fire tax" they wouldn't show up at all. In any event, you can continue to hold on to your ideological trappings while the system burns (sorry, couldn't help myself) or, you can join the rest of the civilized world in the 21st century in acknowledging that government involvment is REQUIRED in making health care benefits available to most of us. The notion that you can leave the care of the sick in the hands of for profit health care insurance companies is just, well, nuts. It's a bit like the Medieval notion that the world was flat. You can say it, you can believe it, you can pray that it is so, but the Earth will still NOT be flat.
I confess, I like most services I get from my government. They're not perfect, but who is? I took a shower this morning and made my coffee with water treated by the government and piped to my front door. I didn't worry about drinking it either. I flushed the toilet and they are processing that, as we work. Here in Chicago where I live, if I get sick the city will send an ambulance and EMT's to take me to the hospital (and they have). If the house is on fire, they'll send firefighters. If one of our local freaks tries to break in, the police will come and not inquire as to my home owner's insurance. At the federal level, our soldiers, sailors and Marines are protecting me and, I think, do a pretty good job for a bunch of federal employees. I know most conservatives might think they'd be better off with a .45 and a posse, but I like the military.
So, do nothing, hold on to your values. It won't belong before the system totally implodes. Then the politicians of both parties can all look around and wonder what happened. Naturally, one will blame the other, but there'll be plenty of blame to go around. In the meantime, they'll continue to enjoy tax payer funded government health care. Why America is afraid of tackling this issue is both sad and disconcerting. But, in the near term this will all come home to roost.
BTW, Hugh, welcome to the board. By chance, are you going to continue to make a name for yourself by continuing to rant in the Off Topic/Political forum or are you going contribute to the rest of the BP community?
It absolutely amazes me that so many people don't understand how bad our current healthcare system is...
Paul points out the root cause of the healthcare problem (and the cause of most other problems in government!) is the central bank.
Whether we are arguing healthcare, stimulus, or economy, the central bank is to blame and is the nerve center or corruption. It is a non partison issue too! This is were the REAL corruption is!
Health Care Reform Yes or No? No. (Assuming a socialist/fascist style of reform)
Health Care Reform Yes or No? Yes
(Assuming free market reform, no government involvement whatsoever)
I take my views from the most honest man in congress, a defender of the constitution, Ron Paul, who also happens to be a doctor himself.
Please watch and behold common sense:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqR-QzJUnvg
I like Ron Paul, but his attributing all of those problems to the government on that Youtube piece, is bunch of crap. He claims that: "the high cost of health care, is a reaction to the government". This is a gross misunderstanding of the issue.
What drive those costs higher are two things
1. corporates' "Bottom line"
2. The implementation of expensive new technological and pharmaceutical advances that keep people alive longer.
Medicare was signed into a law in 1965. There wasn't any problem in the seventies or the eighties or even for the most part of the nineties. It is the advancement of medicine, the bad lifestyle most of us have (Bad eating habits, lack of exercise, and stress) ,the prolong life of the population compounded with the expansion of the population is the fundamental cause it!!!
Medicare was signed into a law in 1965. There wasn't any problem in the seventies or the eighties or even for the most part of the nineties.
That's the wonder of Socialism. It works great until you run out of other people's money.
The fact that Medicare is going to financial ruin in 8 years should be the biggest indicator of where the government would take the healthcare system in general. It will be great for us and probably our kids and maybe the youth years of our grandkids but after that, they're screwed.
Medicare was signed into a law in 1965. There wasn't any problem in the seventies or the eighties or even for the most part of the nineties.
That's the wonder of Socialism. It works great until you run out of other people's money.
The fact that Medicare is going to financial ruin in 8 years should be the biggest indicator of where the government would take the healthcare system in general. It will be great for us and probably our kids and maybe the youth years of our grandkids but after that, they're screwed.
Tim, why you are taking my words out of context? As I stated, the reason medicare is running out of money is because of the staggering cost of health care. Greed and costly medical advances that keep people alive longer are the reasons. This is has nothing to do with "Social medicine". If you have another idea to replace medicare, I'm eager to hear it. It seems like any other solution would be to pull the plug on grandma since it's no longer profitable.
I have trouble believing they have the guts to do that.
Especially when the receipt of guts are on quota and subject to panel approval.
As Eddie pointed out, the health care that is subject to panel approval today lies in the private sector...so if you're really against panels deciding on what can and can't be paid for on behalf of patients, you should really fight against the current system...