High Realtor Fees, Can someone explain?

High Realtor Fees, Can someone explain?

Member since 2025 · 12 posts · 7 votes

Hi everyone, We are new flippers in desirable towns where remodeled homes sell for 1.8m - 2.5m or more. I am having trouble understanding how paying the realtor 100k in fees on the resale alone (not including what they get paid when they are used on the buy) is acceptable. I searched other threads on BP about this, and the explanations were about a 400k home, for example, that works out to a modest amount per hour. However, this explanation no longer makes sense when it comes to homes that are much more expensive. Why is it not common to negotiate flat fees that are more reasonable? Why is it not enough for a realtor to get paid $10k for their service? I think that's a nice amount of money for their work. There is no other  profession where someone makes so much money for doing so little. I find it difficult to wrap my head around, and I'm looking for a better solution. 

I understand they service builders/flippers by advising them on what's best for their investment and managing the selling process. Still, even lawyers don't pay such high fees for professional time spent with clients.  

3Reply
149 views

Most Popular Reply

Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
1y

good luck getting an agent that works the LUX market for 10k..

Now if the market is SO good that they just list on MLS and duck.. thats one thing.

But if its like most props in those price ranges. marketing cost might be 10k alone.

Your points are common feedback with RE brokerage commissions they are as you know negotiable. no one is forcing you to sign with a broker.

lastly most brokers in the LUX market would not even come close to entertaining what your offering.. they would be thanks but no thanks. Not worth their time.

See this reply in the discussion

46 Replies

Jump to latestLatest
  • Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 261 posts · 170 votes
    1y

    You can negotiate with your realtor. Are you looking to list a property? If so, negotiate a fee with them. Flat fee or a % that's up to you. Assuming the numbers you gave, you are listing a home for $2mm 2.5-3% listing agent fee is $50-60K. You can negotiate this! have that talk with the agent that you will offer (blank, you decide). That agent will either take your business or not. Maybe accept their fee, but require a shorter listing agreement (3-6months) to see the results. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    1y

    good luck getting an agent that works the LUX market for 10k..

    Now if the market is SO good that they just list on MLS and duck.. thats one thing.

    But if its like most props in those price ranges. marketing cost might be 10k alone.

    Your points are common feedback with RE brokerage commissions they are as you know negotiable. no one is forcing you to sign with a broker.

    lastly most brokers in the LUX market would not even come close to entertaining what your offering.. they would be thanks but no thanks. Not worth their time.

    • Member since 2025 · 12 posts · 7 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

      good luck getting an agent that works the LUX market for 10k..

      Now if the market is SO good that they just list on MLS and duck.. thats one thing.

      But if its like most props in those price ranges. marketing cost might be 10k alone.

      Your points are common feedback with RE brokerage commissions they are as you know negotiable. no one is forcing you to sign with a broker.

      lastly most brokers in the LUX market would not even come close to entertaining what your offering.. they would be thanks but no thanks. Not worth their time.


       what are marketing costs? I pay for staging... when costs do the realtors have? 

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Rachel Weiss:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

      good luck getting an agent that works the LUX market for 10k..

      Now if the market is SO good that they just list on MLS and duck.. thats one thing.

      But if its like most props in those price ranges. marketing cost might be 10k alone.

      Your points are common feedback with RE brokerage commissions they are as you know negotiable. no one is forcing you to sign with a broker.

      lastly most brokers in the LUX market would not even come close to entertaining what your offering.. they would be thanks but no thanks. Not worth their time.


       what are marketing costs? I pay for staging... when costs do the realtors have? 


      If your market is that hot.. \and you pay for staging . then just find a broker that will let you list on MLS with no representation.. We have these brokers  on the west coast they charge like 500.00 to 1000.00 .. and in the public remarks and private remarks it says to call you the owner for showings etc.. flat fee brokers..  U may or may not have them there.. Every market is different when it comes to brokerage services and as I stated no one is forcing you.. commish is negotiable its up to you to find the sweet spot between service and fee paid.. 
    • Member since 2025 · 12 posts · 7 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Rachel Weiss:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

      good luck getting an agent that works the LUX market for 10k..

      Now if the market is SO good that they just list on MLS and duck.. thats one thing.

      But if its like most props in those price ranges. marketing cost might be 10k alone.

      Your points are common feedback with RE brokerage commissions they are as you know negotiable. no one is forcing you to sign with a broker.

      lastly most brokers in the LUX market would not even come close to entertaining what your offering.. they would be thanks but no thanks. Not worth their time.


       what are marketing costs? I pay for staging... when costs do the realtors have? 


      If your market is that hot.. \and you pay for staging . then just find a broker that will let you list on MLS with no representation.. We have these brokers  on the west coast they charge like 500.00 to 1000.00 .. and in the public remarks and private remarks it says to call you the owner for showings etc.. flat fee brokers..  U may or may not have them there.. Every market is different when it comes to brokerage services and as I stated no one is forcing you.. commish is negotiable its up to you to find the sweet spot between service and fee paid.. 

       I don't want to sell without representation. I'm happy to pay a reasonable fee. Am I the only one thinking 60k is unreasonable????

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Rachel Weiss:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Rachel Weiss:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

      good luck getting an agent that works the LUX market for 10k..

      Now if the market is SO good that they just list on MLS and duck.. thats one thing.

      But if its like most props in those price ranges. marketing cost might be 10k alone.

      Your points are common feedback with RE brokerage commissions they are as you know negotiable. no one is forcing you to sign with a broker.

      lastly most brokers in the LUX market would not even come close to entertaining what your offering.. they would be thanks but no thanks. Not worth their time.


       what are marketing costs? I pay for staging... when costs do the realtors have? 


      If your market is that hot.. \and you pay for staging . then just find a broker that will let you list on MLS with no representation.. We have these brokers  on the west coast they charge like 500.00 to 1000.00 .. and in the public remarks and private remarks it says to call you the owner for showings etc.. flat fee brokers..  U may or may not have them there.. Every market is different when it comes to brokerage services and as I stated no one is forcing you.. commish is negotiable its up to you to find the sweet spot between service and fee paid.. 

       I don't want to sell without representation. I'm happy to pay a reasonable fee. Am I the only one thinking 60k is unreasonable????

      to the RE brokerage community YES they will feel they deserve it.. And YES many will feel brokers are over paid.. 

      I have been a RE Broker since 1975  I have taken listings anywhere from 25% commissions down to 1%  and I brokered 20 duplexs a few years ago where the builder was in Trouble these sold for 230k each and I charged flat fee of 30k each.. But I did a big event in SF Bay AREA and sold them all in one weekend.. that event cost me 50k up front to put on.. And it was risk money what if I never sold a one.. as it was I made 600k in one weekend.. well had to follow up with all the escrows and inspections  but you know what I mean.. And the builder was happy to pay me he was going to be in major trouble with his bank.. then one transaction I brokered a 5 mil apartment and made 2%  so 100k.. And that one is like what your describing it was a referral ( actually from the SF event) took me a few weeks to find the property and I suspect I did not put more than maybe 20 hours into that deal..I no longer broker real estate except for my new builds in Oregon.. All the other states I hire brokers. And we for sure negotiate on commish.. In Oregon for my new project here when the market was red hot  Lennar was only paying brokers 5k to bring a buyer.. I was paying double that but these were 700k houses so 2 to 3 % like old days would have been what 14 to 21k per house I was paying 10k.. then when the rates went up and sales got tougher we adjusted up to 2% .. Then the new laws came in and we negotiate each commission as they come in.. But I never offer less than 10k or more than 2%.  We have product that is coveted..

      So its all over the map.. Best of luck

    • Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Rachel Weiss:

       I don't want to sell without representation. I'm happy to pay a reasonable fee. Am I the only one thinking 60k is unreasonable????

      What makes you think $60K is/is not reasonable?

      Make a list of EVERYTHING you want the broker to do or not do: MLS, staging, photos, web site, preparing teaser descriptions, selecting comps., giving you market guidance, open houses, vetting potential buyers who don't have and don't want representation, contract negotiation, managing/scheduling/attending inspections and surveys, fielding bank requests for information, making sure government paperwork is done, you imagine and write it down and you'll still miss some stuff, but that's okay. Then you allocate those things out and estimate the hours to be spent on each item. For those things that can have a flat fee, ask the broker to give you a flat fee for that item. For those things that require time, ask for amount of time they'll need for an average house in the area given the sales environment you describe for each activity, and agree to a minimum and maximum reimbursement for each item.

      They'll push for their (ludicrous) 6 percent, and you'll remind them that in Scotland it's done for 1 percent, and that the market in your area is super hot so the house will sell itself with little work.

      Either you will persuade them, or they will persuade you.

      You are wrong to think, however, that your preconception of what is involved is relevant to the question of what is "reasonable." We, and you, have no idea that your conceptions are accurate.

      That said, try FISBO and get a real look at your market's situation, then plan accordingly. I am no friend of real estate agents.
  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
    Moderator
    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Rachel Weiss:

    Hi everyone, We are new flippers in desirable towns where remodeled homes sell for 1.8m - 2.5m or more. I am having trouble understanding how paying the realtor 100k in fees on the resale alone (not including what they get paid when they are used on the buy) is acceptable. I searched other threads on BP about this, and the explanations were about a 400k home, for example, that works out to a modest amount per hour. However, this explanation no longer makes sense when it comes to homes that are much more expensive. Why is it not common to negotiate flat fees that are more reasonable? Why is it not enough for a realtor to get paid $10k for their service? I think that's a nice amount of money for their work. There is no other  profession where someone makes so much money for doing so little. I find it difficult to wrap my head around, and I'm looking for a better solution. 

    I understand they service builders/flippers by advising them on what's best for their investment and managing the selling process. Still, even lawyers don't pay such high fees for professional time spent with clients.  


     You can negotiate anything you want as long as you and the person you hire agree to it. You also don't have to hire anyone at all if you so choose.

  • Member since 2025 · 12 posts · 7 votes
    1y

    My main question is why is it acceptable to pay 50-60k for the listing agent? Who earns so much money for 20-30 hours of work? I would love to negotiate a lower fee but I don't want to upset them. I can tell it is not common to negotiate because the realtors I am working with know that in the past, I used a realtor who charges less (and also gives less than great customer service), and they keep telling me how bad she is and that you cannot give proper customer service when she plays the volume game. And they are not offering me a better deal. It seems like everyone is doing the standard rate and no one is challenging it. There's only that one person that is known to charge less than the standard rate but her service sucks. 

    As for the period of sale time, in this market everything goes within a week of being listed unless there's something wrong with the property.

  • Member since 2025 · 12 posts · 7 votes
    1y

    in the case you are describing where you put money into an event, making a large amount of money seems to be appropriate given the risk you took with that 50k. 

    In my case, the towns are extremely desirable and there are tons of buyers  eager for any remodeled home. so why is a realtor that makes 2 showings and pushes a few papers deserving of 60k pay? I cannot for the life of me understand this. There is absolutely no out of pocket cost to them and they take 0 risk. 

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Rachel Weiss:

      in the case you are describing where you put money into an event, making a large amount of money seems to be appropriate given the risk you took with that 50k. 

      In my case, the towns are extremely desirable and there are tons of buyers  eager for any remodeled home. so why is a realtor that makes 2 showings and pushes a few papers deserving of 60k pay? I cannot for the life of me understand this. There is absolutely no out of pocket cost to them and they take 0 risk. 


      I understand your sentiment there.. But realtors are used to making money .  They dont get into RE to make wages like your thinking they get into it to make big money .. So for top flight agents again they simply will decline your offer.. And on top of that many times their brokerages simply wont allow them to take listings for less.  Keep in mind there is over head for agents and brokers its not like they pocket the entire 60k or 10k your offering. 
      I am a Broker and work for myself so I can set my rates up or down.. Many agents cant and then depending on the market agents are still on splits with their brokerages not flat fee like we have out west.. So they may have to split that 10k your offering with the house so really they are only making 5k.. There is risk in selling real estate thats why agents have E O insurance lots of lawsuit come out of these transactions so its not 0 risk.

      So I dont know the city or market your in or what is customary in your market.. Keep in mind a lot of real estate brokerage will follow customary paths on how they charge and do business. 

      Like out West here my Wife hangs her license with a flat fee Broker who only charges something like 200.00 a month so she pays it annually and there is NO split with the Broker and something like a 100.00 transaction fee. But she has a transaction coordinator she pays  400.00 per file for out of her pocket plus nice Christmas bonus

      So you find a newbie agent that is just happy to get a listing and will work for your 10k but will their broker allow it ?? thats the first question.. Then you get an independant Broker ( solo) like me who can fix my rate any way I want to.. ( if you can find one of those) And again its a process of looking around and negotiating.. One thing I have always loved about being a RE Broker is I am NEVER forced to work for anyone ever.. 

      So suggestion google flat fee broker in your market see if one exits and if your product is that hot negotiate the fee.. Dont be intimidated to negotiate the thing that can happen will be a Polite no from the agent.. The best thing will be they agree.. 

      Also if you using the same agent to find the house and they make a fee and then list back then some discount is warranted there if you doing more than one every few years. 
  • Erik EstradaBusiness Member
    Lender · Member since 2022 · 6k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Rachel Weiss:

    Hi everyone, We are new flippers in desirable towns where remodeled homes sell for 1.8m - 2.5m or more. I am having trouble understanding how paying the realtor 100k in fees on the resale alone (not including what they get paid when they are used on the buy) is acceptable. I searched other threads on BP about this, and the explanations were about a 400k home, for example, that works out to a modest amount per hour. However, this explanation no longer makes sense when it comes to homes that are much more expensive. Why is it not common to negotiate flat fees that are more reasonable? Why is it not enough for a realtor to get paid $10k for their service? I think that's a nice amount of money for their work. There is no other  profession where someone makes so much money for doing so little. I find it difficult to wrap my head around, and I'm looking for a better solution. 

    I understand they service builders/flippers by advising them on what's best for their investment and managing the selling process. Still, even lawyers don't pay such high fees for professional time spent with clients.  


     Just don't hire a realtor if you are not willing to pay the price lol. You cannot set up the rules and put caps on what realtors should charge since commission is negotiable. If you don't want to pay a realtor $50k+, then. don't. If a realtor is willing to accept less, they are likely new and don't have the experience or connections to sell your property. 

    The primary reason realtors usually charge 2-4% in commissions is because their pay is not guaranteed. You can easily cancel a listing, the property can sit for months because of market conditions and unrealistic expectations, buyer can fall out because of a bad loan or issues with the property. The pay is not guaranteed. 

    Imagine going months on end working with a client all for it not to close? Are they really making the money that you think they are making, when almost 85% of realtors do not even make it within their 1st 2 years in the business? You are only looking at the minority of agents that are making it in the business. And those guys are going to laugh at you when you say I'll only pay a $10k commission, when they have multiple clients that will pay them top dollar for their connections, marketing and services. 

    You make a point that a lawyer makes less than a realtor, but how about you switch the narrative. What if a realtor charges you a $100 per hour to market, consult with you, and circle prospect and then on top of that, take 20-30% of you sale proceeds? That 2-4% at closing is way less if you ask me...

    Plain and simple, if you don't want to pay them, just do it yourself and see how far that will take you. 

    LuxePrivate Investments LLC 572 Reviews
  • Erik EstradaBusiness Member
    Lender · Member since 2022 · 6k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y

    You are also not factoring in the time realtors have to put in to build themselves to be a seasoned professional. The first few years for a Realtor, they will be lucky to even make $10k the entire year... It is a highly competitive industry because of the low barrier to entry. Everyone and their grandma is a realtor, but very few are qualified to produce the results you hire them to do. It takes time to build your client base, lender network, referral partners, and your reputation. You are not paying them to push around a bunch of papers and sign documents. You are paying for a seasoned pro, that put in the time to be the best they can possibly be, to produce the results you need. If you don't see value in that, then just do it yourself. 

    LuxePrivate Investments LLC 572 Reviews
  • Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    1y

    One thing I wish more people realized about agent's commissions is that we're not just pocketing the whole $60k or whatever the number is that you see listed on the settlement statement. We pay all of our expenses out of that which includes: broker split (my brokerage takes 22% of the total commission, this varies by brokerage and is typically anywhere from 5-50% depending on how much support the brokerage provides and whether or not the agent is on a team), transaction fees, transaction coordinator cut, income taxes (15-20% of what's left after broker gets their cut), errors and omissions insurance, MLS fees, board of Realtors dues, required continuing education costs, vehicle and vehicle insurance plus maintenance, repairs and gas, health insurance (also health insurance for the family if they are the sole breadwinner), technology fees, desk fees (office rent), marketing materials, advertising/ lead gen, etc. If the commission is $60k maybe $10-20k of that is actual profit. If the commission is $10k, that agent is basically working for a low hourly wage. I'd pick a different job if I was working for a low hourly wage personally (one with benefits and nights and weekends off).

    On the listing side: I pay all the above overhead stuff plus staging, photos (including drone photos, twilight shots, Matterport 3D virtual tour), floorplans, marketing, advertising, a deep clean, signs, open house program, the works. That's why I charge 3.2% on the listing side compared to 2.8% on the buy side. You can find discount brokerages but you get what you pay for. 

    You can also totally negotiate commissions with agents. I did that before I was licensed and have done so with my clients as an agent. But keep the above in mind and be aware that if your agent is willing to negotiate poorly on behalf of themselves (many do and they end up not being in the business for long because of it), how do you think they will do negotiating on your behalf? A good agent will save you more on the transaction than they make on the commission by negotiating well and helping you avoid making expensive beginner mistakes (which I see all the time when people decide they don't need an agent or work with a cheap agent). They will also save you a lot of time by handling the transaction details so you can focus your time on however you make money or your family or hobbies. 

    It can be a fun and rewarding job at times but it's also a harder one than most people realize. Agents also put the same amount of work into multiple deals and only get paid for some of them (because sometimes deals don't make it to closing, and we only get paid at closing). A lot of times it's actually really stressful too. 

    A lot happens behind the scenes that clients aren't necessarily privy to and good agents spend years becoming knowledgable, learning the market inside and out to become an expert and know if a property is overpriced or a good deal, how to handle all the situations that come up and how to protect clients and keep deals from falling apart, building relationships with other agents and developing themselves professionally in order to provide value to their clients... If it weren't a high-paying job, I personally wouldn't do it. We don't get nights and weekends off, overtime pay, sick pay/ paid vacation/ any real vacation because we're always expected to be available to clients, health insurance, matching retirement plan, 401k etc. None of that which you get with a W2 job because we are 1099 contractors. Everything we make comes from the commission and if we don't make good commissions, we don't get paid well and still have all of the same overhead expenses. It's not uncommon for busy agents to work 100 hours/week so if they're not getting paid well, it's not worth it.

    • Realtor · Charleston, SC · Member since 2021 · 170 posts · 58 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Steve K.:

      One thing I wish more people realized about agent's commissions is that we're not just pocketing the whole $60k or whatever the number is that you see listed on the settlement statement. We pay all of our expenses out of that which includes: broker split (my brokerage takes 22% of the total commission, this varies by brokerage and is typically anywhere from 5-50% depending on how much support the brokerage provides and whether or not the agent is on a team), transaction fees, transaction coordinator cut, income taxes (15-20% of what's left after broker gets their cut), errors and omissions insurance, MLS fees, board of Realtors dues, required continuing education costs, vehicle and vehicle insurance plus maintenance, repairs and gas, health insurance (also health insurance for the family if they are the sole breadwinner), technology fees, desk fees (office rent), marketing materials, advertising/ lead gen, etc. If the commission is $60k maybe $10-20k of that is actual profit. If the commission is $10k, that agent is basically working for a low hourly wage. I'd pick a different job if I was working for a low hourly wage personally (one with benefits and nights and weekends off).

      On the listing side: I pay all the above overhead stuff plus staging, photos (including drone photos, twilight shots, Matterport 3D virtual tour), floorplans, marketing, advertising, a deep clean, signs, open house program, the works. That's why I charge 3.2% on the listing side compared to 2.8% on the buy side. You can find discount brokerages but you get what you pay for. 

      You can also totally negotiate commissions with agents. I did that before I was licensed and have done so with my clients as an agent. But keep the above in mind and be aware that if your agent is willing to negotiate poorly on behalf of themselves (many do and they end up not being in the business for long because of it), how do you think they will do negotiating on your behalf? A good agent will save you more on the transaction than they make on the commission by negotiating well and helping you avoid making expensive beginner mistakes (which I see all the time when people decide they don't need an agent or work with a cheap agent). They will also save you a lot of time by handling the transaction details so you can focus your time on however you make money or your family or hobbies. 

      It can be a fun and rewarding job at times but it's also a harder one than most people realize. Agents also put the same amount of work into multiple deals and only get paid for some of them (because sometimes deals don't make it to closing, and we only get paid at closing). A lot of times it's actually really stressful too. 

      A lot happens behind the scenes that clients aren't necessarily privy to and good agents spend years becoming knowledgable, learning the market inside and out to become an expert and know if a property is overpriced or a good deal, how to handle all the situations that come up and how to protect clients and keep deals from falling apart, building relationships with other agents and developing themselves professionally in order to provide value to their clients... If it weren't a high-paying job, I personally wouldn't do it. We don't get nights and weekends off, overtime pay, sick pay/ paid vacation/ any real vacation because we're always expected to be available to clients, health insurance, matching retirement plan, 401k etc. None of that which you get with a W2 job because we are 1099 contractors. Everything we make comes from the commission and if we don't make good commissions, we don't get paid well and still have all of the same overhead expenses. It's not uncommon for busy agents to work 100 hours/week so if they're not getting paid well, it's not worth it.


       This is the correct answer.

  • Peter MckernanBusiness Member
    Residential Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y

    There are a lot of cut rate brokerages out there.. If you are looking for a break in commission hire one of them that are not full service, or hire someone that is desperately in need of the commission at a hugely reduced rate in your market. There are people out there that will list for 10k, 5k, or whatever the fee is that you can negotiate. Those people are out there and I would search for one of them if the value to commission is in question which it is here in your question. 

    I would say this, do you hire the cheapest contractor when you are doing a house because the pricey guys are charging too much? Do you hire the cheapest attorney because you are trying to save the most to hope that that attorney pulls through? The list goes on, and the old adage, "you get what you pay for," comes to mind.

    The McKernan Group4.954 Reviews
  • Severna Park, MD · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    1y

    For Sale By Owner Sign is $45.00  you can always give it a shot .    It has worked for me in the past .    ( But the houses were not 7 figures )

  • Member since 2025 · 12 posts · 7 votes
    1y

    Thanks to everyone who took the time to answer. The explanations I got are about 1- the value and 2- the expenses, self-employed, no health insurance/vacation.

    I have a question though. The process/work is the same with every transaction; it doesn't make a difference if the house is 100k, 500k, 1mm, or 2mm. The fact that commission is percentage-based is weird because why would someone doing the same thing make double as someone else? c

    In other words, I do understand when the realtor fee for a 400k is $20k. but when I sell a home for 2.2M and I pay a realtor $110k things start to not make sense. Yes, I do flip homes for this price. average Americans earn this amount in a full year! 

    For those asking, staging is paid by us. 

    • Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Rachel Weiss:

      Thanks to everyone who took the time to answer. The explanations I got are about 1- the value and 2- the expenses, self-employed, no health insurance/vacation.

      I have a question though. The process/work is the same with every transaction; it doesn't make a difference if the house is 100k, 500k, 1mm, or 2mm. The fact that commission is percentage-based is weird because why would someone doing the same thing make double as someone else? c

      In other words, I do understand when the realtor fee for a 400k is $20k. but when I sell a home for 2.2M and I pay a realtor $110k things start to not make sense. Yes, I do flip homes for this price. average Americans earn this amount in a full year! 

      For those asking, staging is paid by us. 

      If you are flipping $2M homes, providing repeat business for an agent in the $2M price point, then I'd recommend building a relationship with a great local agent and negotiating a mutually beneficial arrangement. Commissions are negotiable. 

    • Member since 2025 · 12 posts · 7 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Steve K.:
      Quote from @Rachel Weiss:

      Thanks to everyone who took the time to answer. The explanations I got are about 1- the value and 2- the expenses, self-employed, no health insurance/vacation.

      I have a question though. The process/work is the same with every transaction; it doesn't make a difference if the house is 100k, 500k, 1mm, or 2mm. The fact that commission is percentage-based is weird because why would someone doing the same thing make double as someone else? c

      In other words, I do understand when the realtor fee for a 400k is $20k. but when I sell a home for 2.2M and I pay a realtor $110k things start to not make sense. Yes, I do flip homes for this price. average Americans earn this amount in a full year! 

      For those asking, staging is paid by us. 

      If you are flipping $2M homes, providing repeat business for an agent in the $2M price point, then I'd recommend building a relationship with a great local agent and negotiating a mutually beneficial arrangement. Commissions are negotiable. 


       finally a good answer 

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Rachel Weiss:

      Thanks to everyone who took the time to answer. The explanations I got are about 1- the value and 2- the expenses, self-employed, no health insurance/vacation.

      I have a question though. The process/work is the same with every transaction; it doesn't make a difference if the house is 100k, 500k, 1mm, or 2mm. The fact that commission is percentage-based is weird because why would someone doing the same thing make double as someone else? c

      In other words, I do understand when the realtor fee for a 400k is $20k. but when I sell a home for 2.2M and I pay a realtor $110k things start to not make sense. Yes, I do flip homes for this price. average Americans earn this amount in a full year! 

      For those asking, staging is paid by us. 


      Rachel  folks play the hand they are dealt..  IE  they work in their market and price points vary hugely throughout the US..  U can buy a 3 bd 2 bad 1500 sq foot rancher in many mid west markets for 150 to 250k..Take the exact same house and put it in Palo Alto CA and its 2.5 mil to 4 mil.. so the agents in the SF Bay area make a lot of money because thats where they live and work agents in many mid west markets work just as hard but do not make anywhere near the same given their market and where they choose to live.. 2mil plus flips your obviously in a high priced coastal market or maybe Denver or ski areas or prime northern chicago etc etc.. And its where you choose to live work and invest.. It comes down to choices.. 

      On top of that you have agents that specialize in the LUX market.. and i can tell you they do spent a lot of money on marketing. Mainly marketing themselves. But they will buy the big spread in the lux home magazines etc etc.. I myself work in the real low value asset areas of the country houses that can be bought for 20 to 40k  and I also will do some lux myself like Charleston SC I have built half a dozen 2 to 3 mil homes there as specs.. Realtors I hire in Charleston make bigger fees than the realtors in the low value markets.. Many realtors in the low values markets will have a minimum fee though Like 5k.. I mean you cant pay a % commish on a 40k  2 % or 3% is 800 to 1200  they would go broke. So in reality commission as everyone is telling you are negotiable and they are NOT all based on % thats just what has been customary for decades.. many commish are based on set fee's as I explained above.. We do both as sellers I offer some at a % and some as a flat fee.. its up to the agents if they want to work on them. 

      Now take your business I mean many folks that think your going to flip a 2 mil plus house and make 500k net is WAAAAY to much money for the effort your putting out.. But you will want to and you deserve as much as the market will let you make .. That how we all work. 
    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Rachel Weiss:
      Quote from @Steve K.:
      Quote from @Rachel Weiss:

      Thanks to everyone who took the time to answer. The explanations I got are about 1- the value and 2- the expenses, self-employed, no health insurance/vacation.

      I have a question though. The process/work is the same with every transaction; it doesn't make a difference if the house is 100k, 500k, 1mm, or 2mm. The fact that commission is percentage-based is weird because why would someone doing the same thing make double as someone else? c

      In other words, I do understand when the realtor fee for a 400k is $20k. but when I sell a home for 2.2M and I pay a realtor $110k things start to not make sense. Yes, I do flip homes for this price. average Americans earn this amount in a full year! 

      For those asking, staging is paid by us. 

      If you are flipping $2M homes, providing repeat business for an agent in the $2M price point, then I'd recommend building a relationship with a great local agent and negotiating a mutually beneficial arrangement. Commissions are negotiable. 


       finally a good answer 


      same answere as everyone else has given you.. Steve lives and works in a market with the same price points your talking about.. 
  • Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    1y

    @Rachel Weiss when a person goes to a surgeon, what are we paying for? 

    Yes, there is meds, clean room, assorted staff, but really what is it we are paying that surgeon for? 

    Is a Dr of Surgery paid what they are simply for doing some cutting? Couldn't we look at it and say "well I cut stuff all the time, anyone can just do some cutting". 

    Sure, anyone can...... 

    But ever so few can do it CORRECTLY. 

    Correctly in the manner that best achieves the outcome desired, prevents bad things from happening, and mitigates the laundry list of risks for the venture. All via Skill, Training, Experience and Expertise. 

    Yes, this example exactly translates. 

    The lion share of what a LUX seller is paying for when obtaining a competent quality LUX agent is NOT "pushing some paperwork around"....... Your purchasing an outcome, your purchasing KNOWLEDGE, skill, expertise, RESULTS. 

    And these things, they don't come easily or quickly. There is literally thousands of hours that go into it. Years.

    A poor agent can 100% blow apart and ruin even the simplest sale in the hottest market. 

    And your ignoring the fact of what a pizz-poor listing agent can do that results in your closing $$$$. No, negotiations don't just handle themself. LUX Buyers are not idiots, they don't hire PT pizza delivery to be there buyers agent. They hire cold blooded sharks like ME! And if I sniff out that your listing agent is a half-twit I am going to rip them to shreds. I will play them for fools, and take advantage of there ignorance to the most maximum benefit of my buyers 100%. 

    Real Estate is a negotiated transaction. The result is the result of those negotiating, how they negotiate, to there skills in it or lack there or. 

    Yes, there is time expense, a hell of  a lot more than your giving credit for. There is marketing costs, staffing costs, costs of brokerage and just running the business in general, technology systems etc etc.. But what your really paying for, especially in LUX, is for the supreme level of knowledge, experience, skill and network all of which took years upon years of blood, sweat, pain, energy, money and time MOUNTAINS of time to acquire that mastery. 

  • Member since 2018 · 81 posts · 26 votes
    1y

    Rachel you should be able to find realtors for cheap.  I've done this.  Should be easy to get one to list for 1%. I agree.  Some of those commissions are waaaaay to high.  You just need to negotiate and find one that agrees

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Rachel Weiss:

    Hi everyone, We are new flippers in desirable towns where remodeled homes sell for 1.8m - 2.5m or more. I am having trouble understanding how paying the realtor 100k in fees on the resale alone (not including what they get paid when they are used on the buy) is acceptable. I searched other threads on BP about this, and the explanations were about a 400k home, for example, that works out to a modest amount per hour. However, this explanation no longer makes sense when it comes to homes that are much more expensive. Why is it not common to negotiate flat fees that are more reasonable? Why is it not enough for a realtor to get paid $10k for their service? I think that's a nice amount of money for their work. There is no other  profession where someone makes so much money for doing so little. I find it difficult to wrap my head around, and I'm looking for a better solution. 

    I understand they service builders/flippers by advising them on what's best for their investment and managing the selling process. Still, even lawyers don't pay such high fees for professional time spent with clients.  


     How many houses have you flipped?

  • Denise SuppleeBusiness Member
    Realtor · Willow Grove, PA · Member since 2017 · 968 posts · 638 votes
    1y

    Hello Rachel,

    I am a Realtor in Pennsylvania. Commissions are always negotiable. It is important that real estate agents do more than many know; much in the background. Many believe that they put the sale together and then off to the closing table. However, there is more. They basically not only find a buyer or find a buyer a home, but there is alot of coordination that goes into a sale.  Additionally, there have been many changes in commissions and how they may be advertised and structured in the summer of 2024. Each state also has their own legal criteria. Your agent should be explaining this to you. I hope it all works out for you! 

    Spark Rental Co-Investing Club577 Reviews
  • Rental Property Investor · Brooke Park Drive · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    1y

    Sounds like the issue here is not that realtors are overpaid but that you are too timid to negotiate a better fee. 

  • Don KonipolBusiness Member
    Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Rachel Weiss:

    Hi everyone, We are new flippers in desirable towns where remodeled homes sell for 1.8m - 2.5m or more. I am having trouble understanding how paying the realtor 100k in fees on the resale alone (not including what they get paid when they are used on the buy) is acceptable. I searched other threads on BP about this, and the explanations were about a 400k home, for example, that works out to a modest amount per hour. However, this explanation no longer makes sense when it comes to homes that are much more expensive. Why is it not common to negotiate flat fees that are more reasonable? Why is it not enough for a realtor to get paid $10k for their service? I think that's a nice amount of money for their work. There is no other  profession where someone makes so much money for doing so little. I find it difficult to wrap my head around, and I'm looking for a better solution. 

    I understand they service builders/flippers by advising them on what's best for their investment and managing the selling process. Still, even lawyers don't pay such high fees for professional time spent with clients.  


     it's a FREE MARKET.  you can list with a flat fee limited service broker (as I often do) for $500 - $1000.  Other times (situation specific) I NEED full service of a TOP PRO and pay the full boat.

    Your complaint seems to be that Realtor MAY be "overpaid", according to YOUR personal opinion, which seems to be based on a perceived HOURLY RATE.  MY hourly rate works out to a MULTIPLE of X the example you give. WHY am I able to obtain that rate?  Because I have a unique ability shared with very few people enabling me to successfully conclude deals most others can not.  

    Hourly rate is a very poor indicator of whether a given service provider is "worth it".  Successful track record is much more important.  

    Seems like you want FULL SERVICE by the BEST REALTORS, you just don't want to pay for it.  You want to keep more of your gross profit and think it would be a good idea for others to accept less so you can have more. Don't disguise your GREED as some kind of social justice outrage!  

    Private Mortgage Financing Partners, LLC
    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Don Konipol:
      Quote from @Rachel Weiss:

      Hi everyone, We are new flippers in desirable towns where remodeled homes sell for 1.8m - 2.5m or more. I am having trouble understanding how paying the realtor 100k in fees on the resale alone (not including what they get paid when they are used on the buy) is acceptable. I searched other threads on BP about this, and the explanations were about a 400k home, for example, that works out to a modest amount per hour. However, this explanation no longer makes sense when it comes to homes that are much more expensive. Why is it not common to negotiate flat fees that are more reasonable? Why is it not enough for a realtor to get paid $10k for their service? I think that's a nice amount of money for their work. There is no other  profession where someone makes so much money for doing so little. I find it difficult to wrap my head around, and I'm looking for a better solution. 

      I understand they service builders/flippers by advising them on what's best for their investment and managing the selling process. Still, even lawyers don't pay such high fees for professional time spent with clients.  


       it's a FREE MARKET.  you can list with a flat fee limited service broker (as I often do) for $500 - $1000.  Other times (situation specific) I NEED full service of a TOP PRO and pay the full boat.

      Your complaint seems to be that Realtor MAY be "overpaid", according to YOUR personal opinion, which seems to be based on a perceived HOURLY RATE.  MY hourly rate works out to a MULTIPLE of X the example you give. WHY am I able to obtain that rate?  Because I have a unique ability shared with very few people enabling me to successfully conclude deals most others can not.  

      Hourly rate is a very poor indicator of whether a given service provider is "worth it".  Successful track record is much more important.  

      Seems like you want FULL SERVICE by the BEST REALTORS, you just don't want to pay for it.  You want to keep more of your gross profit and think it would be a good idea for others to accept less so you can have more. Don't disguise your GREED as some kind of social justice outrage!  


       All this crying in here. Seems like these people want what these Agents provided but don't wanna pay the bill lol. You don't wanna pay the bill, don't take the product.

    • Don KonipolBusiness Member
      Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Don Konipol:
      Quote from @Rachel Weiss:

      Hi everyone, We are new flippers in desirable towns where remodeled homes sell for 1.8m - 2.5m or more. I am having trouble understanding how paying the realtor 100k in fees on the resale alone (not including what they get paid when they are used on the buy) is acceptable. I searched other threads on BP about this, and the explanations were about a 400k home, for example, that works out to a modest amount per hour. However, this explanation no longer makes sense when it comes to homes that are much more expensive. Why is it not common to negotiate flat fees that are more reasonable? Why is it not enough for a realtor to get paid $10k for their service? I think that's a nice amount of money for their work. There is no other  profession where someone makes so much money for doing so little. I find it difficult to wrap my head around, and I'm looking for a better solution. 

      I understand they service builders/flippers by advising them on what's best for their investment and managing the selling process. Still, even lawyers don't pay such high fees for professional time spent with clients.  


       it's a FREE MARKET.  you can list with a flat fee limited service broker (as I often do) for $500 - $1000.  Other times (situation specific) I NEED full service of a TOP PRO and pay the full boat.

      Your complaint seems to be that Realtor MAY be "overpaid", according to YOUR personal opinion, which seems to be based on a perceived HOURLY RATE.  MY hourly rate works out to a MULTIPLE of X the example you give. WHY am I able to obtain that rate?  Because I have a unique ability shared with very few people enabling me to successfully conclude deals most others can not.  

      Hourly rate is a very poor indicator of whether a given service provider is "worth it".  Successful track record is much more important.  

      Seems like you want FULL SERVICE by the BEST REALTORS, you just don't want to pay for it.  You want to keep more of your gross profit and think it would be a good idea for others to accept less so you can have more. Don't disguise your GREED as some kind of social justice outrage!  


       All this crying in here. Seems like these people want what these Agents provided but don't wanna pay the bill lol. You don't wanna pay the bill, don't take the product.


      Yes so true! According to NAR there are 1,500,000 Realtors in the U.S. It's probably the MOST heavily competitive field in existence.

      Private Mortgage Financing Partners, LLC
  • Kevin IveyPro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Marysville, WA · Member since 2020 · 216 posts · 126 votes
    1y

    I feel the same frustration with so e of the buyers realtor fees.  We had one flip the buyer found us on there own, had their own lender lined up, and then brought in a realtor to do the paperwork and that was really it an they made 30k of my money 💰.

    another deal they again buyer found us I did the showing myself they made a verbal offer, I recommended an attorney and a reasonable realtor.  They were told by a friend to get a "local" realtor who then proceed to tell my wife/realtor how she showed her clients our property (lie) and cluster up the process as the office admin did all the real work.  Then I offered 2.5% for the buyers agent she charged the full 3% with them paying extra at closing 🙄 this is why there is all the law suits!

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Kevin Ivey:

      I feel the same frustration with so e of the buyers realtor fees.  We had one flip the buyer found us on there own, had their own lender lined up, and then brought in a realtor to do the paperwork and that was really it an they made 30k of my money 💰.

      another deal they again buyer found us I did the showing myself they made a verbal offer, I recommended an attorney and a reasonable realtor.  They were told by a friend to get a "local" realtor who then proceed to tell my wife/realtor how she showed her clients our property (lie) and cluster up the process as the office admin did all the real work.  Then I offered 2.5% for the buyers agent she charged the full 3% with them paying extra at closing 🙄 this is why there is all the law suits!


      your not obligated to pay anyone you chose to pay them .. then blame them. 
    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Kevin Ivey:

      I feel the same frustration with so e of the buyers realtor fees.  We had one flip the buyer found us on there own, had their own lender lined up, and then brought in a realtor to do the paperwork and that was really it an they made 30k of my money 💰.

      another deal they again buyer found us I did the showing myself they made a verbal offer, I recommended an attorney and a reasonable realtor.  They were told by a friend to get a "local" realtor who then proceed to tell my wife/realtor how she showed her clients our property (lie) and cluster up the process as the office admin did all the real work.  Then I offered 2.5% for the buyers agent she charged the full 3% with them paying extra at closing 🙄 this is why there is all the law suits!


       If you didn't wanna pay the money why did you do the deal and agree to it? If you didn't like the offer, you could have just declined it my guy.

    • Peter MckernanBusiness Member
      Residential Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @James Wise:

      This is one of the most valid points, if you do not like spending money on professional fees just go find another deal! That is easy enough. 

      The other thing about this thread is that I am just confused when there are complaints about the professional fees, but when it comes to wholesalers getting $10K, $50K, or even six figures on a deal to wholesale to a buyer it is just the cost of doing business. Not to mention a lot of the deals that are not even deals to begin while the fee is the amount above for something that is 500k-700k. 
       

      It is all perceived value at the end of the day, just need to find the value that you believe is true to you and your needs.

      The McKernan Group4.954 Reviews
  • Kevin IveyPro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Marysville, WA · Member since 2020 · 216 posts · 126 votes
    1y

    When you list it on the MLS you offer a percentage to the buyers agent, as you should know.

      I can pay it make my money and still feel the buyers agent didn't warrant the money when brought in at the end of the deal.


      I understand and feel bad when an agent shows a zillion house writes losing offers and does a lot of leg work.

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Kevin Ivey:

      When you list it on the MLS you offer a percentage to the buyers agent, as you should know.

        I can pay it make my money and still feel the buyers agent didn't warrant the money when brought in at the end of the deal.


        I understand and feel bad when an agent shows a zillion house writes losing offers and does a lot of leg work.


      NO ANYMORE  you no longer can offer the agent bringing the buyer a fee it has to be negotiated when the pruchase contract comes in.. that was the basis of the big lawsuit last year.. Its all negotiable.. and I for one as a high volume seller I negotiate depending on market conditions and profit margins etc etc.  So U should do the same.
    • Don KonipolBusiness Member
      Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Kevin Ivey:

      When you list it on the MLS you offer a percentage to the buyers agent, as you should know.

        I can pay it make my money and still feel the buyers agent didn't warrant the money when brought in at the end of the deal.


        I understand and feel bad when an agent shows a zillion house writes losing offers and does a lot of leg work.


      NO ANYMORE  you no longer can offer the agent bringing the buyer a fee it has to be negotiated when the pruchase contract comes in.. that was the basis of the big lawsuit last year.. Its all negotiable.. and I for one as a high volume seller I negotiate depending on market conditions and profit margins etc etc.  So U should do the same.

      Jay, that's not technically correct. I believe you CAN offer the buyers agent a fee; you just can't list that fact on the MLS.

      Private Mortgage Financing Partners, LLC
    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Don Konipol:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Kevin Ivey:

      When you list it on the MLS you offer a percentage to the buyers agent, as you should know.

        I can pay it make my money and still feel the buyers agent didn't warrant the money when brought in at the end of the deal.


        I understand and feel bad when an agent shows a zillion house writes losing offers and does a lot of leg work.


      NO ANYMORE  you no longer can offer the agent bringing the buyer a fee it has to be negotiated when the pruchase contract comes in.. that was the basis of the big lawsuit last year.. Its all negotiable.. and I for one as a high volume seller I negotiate depending on market conditions and profit margins etc etc.  So U should do the same.

      Jay, that's not technically correct. I believe you CAN offer the buyers agent a fee; you just can't list that fact on the MLS.

      thats what I meant there is no field on MLS at least in the markets I work to put into the listing you load into MLS a fee for the buyers agent. I think though you can maybe in the private remarks alude to the fact that seller is willing to pay a buyers broker.. But not exactly sure on that either.. I just know at least on my development here in Oregon as I field many of the buyers agents calls when my wife is to busy to talk to them. One of the first things they will ask is are you paying a BAC.. And when they do write offers the commission is in the offer and its a point of negotiation.. Agents will ask for anything from 2% to 3.5% its up to me to counter.. I like this because I can counter back a flat fee and its in writing and their buyer has to agree to it.. So its up to the buyers agent to justify their worth in the transaction.

    • Don KonipolBusiness Member
      Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Don Konipol:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Kevin Ivey:

      When you list it on the MLS you offer a percentage to the buyers agent, as you should know.

        I can pay it make my money and still feel the buyers agent didn't warrant the money when brought in at the end of the deal.


        I understand and feel bad when an agent shows a zillion house writes losing offers and does a lot of leg work.


      NO ANYMORE  you no longer can offer the agent bringing the buyer a fee it has to be negotiated when the pruchase contract comes in.. that was the basis of the big lawsuit last year.. Its all negotiable.. and I for one as a high volume seller I negotiate depending on market conditions and profit margins etc etc.  So U should do the same.

      Jay, that's not technically correct. I believe you CAN offer the buyers agent a fee; you just can't list that fact on the MLS.

      thats what I meant there is no field on MLS at least in the markets I work to put into the listing you load into MLS a fee for the buyers agent. I think though you can maybe in the private remarks alude to the fact that seller is willing to pay a buyers broker.. But not exactly sure on that either.. I just know at least on my development here in Oregon as I field many of the buyers agents calls when my wife is to busy to talk to them. One of the first things they will ask is are you paying a BAC.. And when they do write offers the commission is in the offer and its a point of negotiation.. Agents will ask for anything from 2% to 3.5% its up to me to counter.. I like this because I can counter back a flat fee and its in writing and their buyer has to agree to it.. So its up to the buyers agent to justify their worth in the transaction.


      Its actually part of there settlement agreement that the NAR agreed that an offer of seller paying buyer's agent fees can not appear anywhere in the MLS listing.

      Private Mortgage Financing Partners, LLC
  • Real Estate Broker · San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 725 posts · 129 votes
    1y

    @Rachel Weiss If you are confident in the pricing/presentation and are willing to deal with the buyer agents, consider doing a flat fee MLS listing ($100-$400) and hiring a transaction coordinator ($400-$600).

  • OH · Member since 2022 · 75 posts · 23 votes
    1y

    Hey @Rachel Weiss,

    I agree with you that it does seem odd. It seems that at your volume it makes more sense to create an in-house brokerage. Or you could even hire someone, have them get their license, and pay them 80k a year to do all your deals. 

  • Lender · Tampa, FL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    1y

    I think the big question is what is the realtor doing for you. For instance, my wife has a formal degree in architectural interior design and she works with investors to basically manage the project. She passes her trade discounts on to the investor and works with the GC and Architect on plans, finishes, project management, etc. She brings a ton of value and gets paid when the property sells. Conversely, we seen agents that slap the property on the MLS and...well...that's pretty much it. A good agent that understands investing, if they are doing their job, is worth their weight in gold. That being said, they are few and far between. Most are full of crap and don't do close to the amount of business nor have the experience they claim. For instance, she just finished working with an investor to complete a really well-designed new build. When it was listed, tons of showings popped up where the were "previewing" it for a client. The agents then proceeded to film walk throughs to post about how they are "experts" in investor/new construction. I personally know of two HGTV shows that are completely fake. What was on TV was not at all what they did. In many cases, they were touring their "luxury listings" in my town when, in fact, they were listed by other people. Don't be afraid to pay a good agent that brings value. Conversely, make sure the agent you bring on board really and truly has the background they claim.

  • Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 261 posts · 170 votes
    1y

    Rachel, you set your commission price. If you want to offer $10k to list and a commission % to a buyers agent you decided that. Look at the agents that have listings around your home. Call them to list your home and let them know what fee you will offer. Sure some are going to scoff at that so call the next one. If none take it, look for agents that do not have a listing in that area but surrounding an a lower price point. Present your terms again, I am sure you will find one that sees the value in having a listing like yours to break into that market. 

  • Brie SchmidtBusiness Member
    Moderator
    Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    1y

    @Rachel Weiss - As a broker I have many thoughts about this.  I do agree with you up to a point ($10k is way too low but I see where $70k for the list agent is too high if you have multiple properties to list) and there are a lot of good comments here that already explain things.  One thing I wanted to point out is that typically the brokerage company has a policy as to what the minimum amount the agent is allowed to charge.  So commissions are negotiable, but each brokerage can decide what their agents can charge.  It might be worth your while to find an independent brokerage who has more flexibility in that capacity.  I have owned my own company in Chicago for 10+ years and I allow my agents to decide what to charge, we do not have a minimum.  We work 95% with investors so our business model is a bit different as many of our clients are repeat business.  I had a client who wanted me to list three of his properties for a total of $8 million and was buying a $4 million dollar property.  I did not charge 2.5% on each property to list them and we worked out a percentage that we were both happy with given the volume of business he was doing.  But it was because I owned the company that I had the flexibility to do that.  

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Brie Schmidt:

      @Rachel Weiss - As a broker I have many thoughts about this.  I do agree with you up to a point ($10k is way too low but I see where $70k for the list agent is too high if you have multiple properties to list) and there are a lot of good comments here that already explain things.  One thing I wanted to point out is that typically the brokerage company has a policy as to what the minimum amount the agent is allowed to charge.  So commissions are negotiable, but each brokerage can decide what their agents can charge.  It might be worth your while to find an independent brokerage who has more flexibility in that capacity.  I have owned my own company in Chicago for 10+ years and I allow my agents to decide what to charge, we do not have a minimum.  We work 95% with investors so our business model is a bit different as many of our clients are repeat business.  I had a client who wanted me to list three of his properties for a total of $8 million and was buying a $4 million dollar property.  I did not charge 2.5% on each property to list them and we worked out a percentage that we were both happy with given the volume of business he was doing.  But it was because I owned the company that I had the flexibility to do that.  


      Brie  good to see you on the boards.. Ms. Lori was number 80 in the PDX market in 24 with NO Team.. I bet she was one of the top ten solo brokers.  But to the point of negotiating commish she does this all the time.. and her brokerage is a flat fee one who allows her to set her rate.. Its all about circumstances as you note.  And frankly how well you like your buyer or seller. Not everyone is a match when it comes to working together. 
  • Scott AllenBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2020 · 449 posts · 471 votes
    1y

    @Rachel Weiss You could get your real estate license so you can list your flips/get a better understanding of how the brokering/marketing portion of real estate actually works, do for sale by owner/might be a little harder in the price range you're working in, use a flat fee agent/negotiate a rate with an agent you like (might not be a great agent but could make for a lasting relationship if you're doing volume in flipping), or just use a Top G agent and pay the 2.5-3% they're asking for/worry about making money and not saving money.

    It's tough to compare agents to lawyers in pay and fees - but you could also see how a lawyer in the same city/state can help you with selling the properties too (I think typically they charge by the hour and also get a certain percentage when closing as well).

    Reafco - Columbus, OH
Join the conversationCreate a free account to reply, vote on answers and follow this thread.