Realtors worried about comps / appraisal - steering clients away

Realtors worried about comps / appraisal - steering clients away

Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 7 posts · 4 votes

The market where we are has been very hot lately. We purchased a Townhouse style condo at market price in early June. It is in a great area that has been overlooked for many years - we think the area has a lot of potential. All in all, the price was very low. It had not been updated since the eighties, and even for that time it was sub par (W/D in kitchen, half size appliance, etc). We spent a few month making it very modern and attractive - moved W/D upstairs, new appliances, removed walls, refinished hardwoods, granite, new cabinets etc. This is the first condo in the development to be modernized - not a single updated one has been sold (but all look good from the outside - all brick). For our ARV we used townhouses in the adjacent developments that are slightly more modern, but priced below those.

All of the buyers realtors are looking at the previous sales in our development as comps, and saying we are over priced. More specifically, they are worried that the appraisers won't give full credit for the upgrades, and will not / may not look outside of the development to find comps (even though the others are less than a mile away). We had a girl who was head over the heels about the place at our open house, but her realtor has advised her not to put it under contract because he is confident it will get a low appraisal due to the appraiser only using in project comps (he also mentioned that it is a VA loan, and they are very strict about staying in the project).

I also believe that the realtors are not even showing this to their clients because of the above reason (though we have had about 4 showings). Do we have options besides lowering the price? We are on MLS with a flat fee agent ($200 to list and comply). How far should we lower the listing price? I am ok with a modest profit, especially because I have found an 8 plex I want to roll the money into, but I do not want to change the price too drastically.

Or should we just move to our second exit strategy - refinance and rent?  Thanks!

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Real Estate Consultant · Greenville, SC · Member since 2015 · 45 posts · 35 votes
8y

This is a situation where working with an experienced investor friendly agent can help. I have "broken the ceiling" in value of several neighborhoods. I leave my comps with the appraiser with explanations. Also, remember that about a third of properties in our market sell for cash. Across all price points. Also, listing with a flat fee agency makes a lot of agents suspicious from the get go. They may view you as a FSBO. I have respect in the marketplace and because I stage and professionally photogragh my listings, I get showings...and offers. Quickly.

Would love to chat with you about how I work.

This is a great business with great people in it.

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  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 7 posts · 4 votes
    9y
  • Real Estate Investor · Palm Harbor, FL · Member since 2016 · 91 posts · 43 votes
    9y
    Hello Taylor Vick The best indicators of value should be the sales from the subject's project. If there are no comparables in the same condition inside the subject's project, then you can utilize sales from a competing project. Just make sure the competing project is also a condo project and not a PUD of attached sfr. I only mention it because I have seen many real estate participants misunderstanding the difference between a townhouse-style condo and a townhouse-style sfr. If you are clear on that, then I don't see any problem utilizing sales from a competing project to support condition adjustments. Best wishes.
  • Real Estate Consultant · Greenville, SC · Member since 2015 · 45 posts · 35 votes
    8y

    This is a situation where working with an experienced investor friendly agent can help. I have "broken the ceiling" in value of several neighborhoods. I leave my comps with the appraiser with explanations. Also, remember that about a third of properties in our market sell for cash. Across all price points. Also, listing with a flat fee agency makes a lot of agents suspicious from the get go. They may view you as a FSBO. I have respect in the marketplace and because I stage and professionally photogragh my listings, I get showings...and offers. Quickly.

    Would love to chat with you about how I work.

    This is a great business with great people in it.

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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    8y

    One of the most important parts of a listing agents job is the appraisal....and you have no listing agent.  With buyers agents saying the appraisal might be an issue, and you have no listing agent...Im sure then there is 100% chance this doesnt appraise.

  • Realtor · Las Cruces, NM · Member since 2018 · 8 posts · 4 votes
    8y

    Why not get the property appraised? You plan on lowering the price anyways, why not get it appraised and be done with it. If the value is truly what you say it is, then it’s a win win and you have ground to stand on.

    I certainly understand the agent’s concern being the market professional, keep in mind it’s in the agents best interest to get the property under contact ASAP. Also if you didn’t know “steering” is not only unethical but that agent or agents can lose there license for that maneuver so I doubt that’s the case. 

    Do yourself a favor and get it appraised for $500 and get it sold ASAP. Time is money! 

  • Realtor / Investor · Vienna, VA · Member since 2014 · 133 posts · 114 votes
    8y

    I agree with @Tony Suniga, get an appraisal done.  As a Realtor, I will tell you I have never had a pre-listing appraisal done on a property but in your case it could be a good idea.  

    It sounds like your condition is great but price is an issue.  If you got a good appraisal and were to leave the appraisal with your marketing materials, that should help.

    Now, know that the appraisal you pay for will never be used by the buyer's lender.  The lender will order their own.

    And know that 2 appraisers using the same comps will come up with a different bottom line.  I have been in flip situations where two appraisals were required.  The two appraisers used the same comps and one had $300,000 and the other had $330,000.  Of course, the bank insisted upon the $300,000.

    Nonetheless, if the appraisal you get is way off from your asking price, you will have no choice but to lower.  If it is close (within a percent or two of your price) you should feel confident and hopeful that another appraisal would be close.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Alexandria, VA · Member since 2014 · 461 posts · 262 votes
    8y

    @Mona Lisa Harrison replied to a post that is 12 months old. According to the tax record the last sale was in April 2017 and his post is from August 2017. Me thinks he is still the owner. 

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