A House on a Busy Street Priced Too High Won’t Sell

A House on a Busy Street Priced Too High Won’t Sell

Lender · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2012 · 714 posts · 169 votes

I visited a real estate club recently and gave a presentation about using hard money loans to do more deals. After the presentation, I was approached by two novice real estate investors. The told me about a “flip” they did recently that still had not sold at their asking price. They had their brother in law’s cash in the deal longer than they anticipated, so they wanted to do a hard money loan on the property to cash him out.

After getting further information and later taking a look at the subject property, it was obvious why the house wasn’t selling. The house was fixed up very nice, and was of a similar age and type of the comparables around it that were selling at their target selling price. But the house had one major flaw that the other houses did not have. It was on the corner of a heavily trafficked street, off an intersection, whereas the other comparables were all on quiet side streets or on a cul-de-sac. Not only that, but the driveway was really steep and at an odd angle for access on the street’s intersection.

A beautiful house, all remodeled with the right upgrades, but not selling at the same price as the other comparables. The house is priced too high because of its poor location on a busy street and intersection. Being first time real estate investors, this couple did not factor this into their numbers on this property before they purchased it. They will sell the house eventually, but they may not make money on this one. A good lesson learned for two first time real estate investors

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Real Estate Investor and Instructor · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2010 · 303 posts · 332 votes
13y

Beware of busy streets and barking dogs. They can reduce a property's value by 10-20%.

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  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    13y

    External obsolesence, pay attention newbies......

  • Lender · Tyngsboro, MA · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    13y

    Happens all the time, doesn't it? But at least they took action, did a deal, and will learn from it. So instead of paying for a seminar, they learned from OJT.

  • Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y

    And now they need to cut the price to market, sell, and move on with their newly acquired knowledge.

  • Lender · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2012 · 714 posts · 169 votes
    13y

    We were able to cash them out until they sell it so they can pay their brother in law back, so life is good. They did learn a good lesson.

  • Durham, NC · Member since 2012 · 498 posts · 48 votes
    13y

    Modern condos do better on busier streets though. Maybe it is because people are high up in the sky.

    The best should have a nice view of the main street of the city.

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    13y

    I've been in this position. It was an expensive lesson. It was a hard money deal, my and my partner's money. I knew it was on a busy street going in, but comps were solid. Fast forward past the borrower defaulting, building inspector issues and 15 months later then comps were much lower. Not that the overall area was worse. If anything, it was slightly improving. But because of the busy street, the only comps an appariser would pick were other ones on the same or another nearby busy street. With only a few low comps, the value came in much lower than expected. In the end, it was about break even for us. Between the loss on the sale and the interest we collected before the default, we came in with only a small loss. The borrower lost about $30K.

    Not just busy streets, it could be ANYTHING that's unusual. In this case, a high school next door hurt, too.

    And any situation where comps are hard to find is a problem, too.

  • Real Estate Investor and Instructor · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2010 · 303 posts · 332 votes
    13y

    Beware of busy streets and barking dogs. They can reduce a property's value by 10-20%.

  • Hard Money Lender · Davidson, NC · Member since 2012 · 69 posts · 34 votes
    13y

    Boy have I learned this lesson the hard way. Made this mistake before, which is why we steer our clients away from houses on busy streets on a regular basis. You just can't underestimate the impact of that busy road. Houses in the quiet neighborhood behind that house are NOT comps in my opinion.

    The only time this type of deal makes sense is if you can pick up that property for a no brainer price at the purchase.

  • Rehabber · Alexandria, VA · Member since 2011 · 446 posts · 171 votes
    13y

    Funny, I recently had the opportunity to purchase a property that was on a main road.

    Definitely not against doing one IF the numbers work. Numbers meaning longer than normal projected holding costs and a 5-10% decreased ARV.

  • Contractor · Anchorage, AK · Member since 2012 · 351 posts · 196 votes
    13y

    Busy street/main thoroughfare may be just the ticket for a B&B. If youre stuck, a little creative marketing sure cant hurt!

  • Goshen, KY · Member since 2009 · 835 posts · 683 votes
    13y

    Years ago I went to a Robyn Thompson seminar. Those of you that are familiar with her know that she is the undisputed "queen" of reahbbing. She was successfully rehabbing about 50 houses a year.

    One of the things she said was to choose your buying criteria and stick to it. Don't get emotional and 'talk yourself into" buying a house.

    Some of the deal breakers for her were houses under 1000 sf and houses that had anything functionally obsolete or just so odd that folks wouldn't want it. She used to say that there are just some things you can't fix.

  • New York City, NY · Member since 2012 · 253 posts · 7 votes
    13y

    Is there a percentage off one should consider when purchasing a property that is in a high traffic area? How much less did the property sell for against the others?

  • Lender · Denver, CO · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 597 votes
    13y

    Marty Boardman Amen to that, 10-20% is a great starting point, some areas it can be 30-40%.

    Due diligence is so important, understanding the difference in value between the busy street and the interior property can be difficult to navigate.

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    13y

    Hey Travis Sperr good to see you around. Travis is actually the one who helped my unload my troublesome property described above!

  • Lender · Denver, CO · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 597 votes
    13y

    Yup Jon Holdman, know that one all too well unfortunately. A learning experience for all involved that only takes once.

  • Real Estate Agent · New Smyrna Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    13y

    Sometimes, the game changer for a challenging property is to offer some form of owner financing. Lease/Purchase, wrap financing, etc. can open the door to those who need a home, but can't qualify for institutional loans. Of course, short term underlying financing may make doing a lease/purchase or wrap impractical. However, some private lenders may have money partners who are willing to hold a note for 3-5 years, allowing you to do a lease/purchase that gives you an up-front option fee, cash flow profit for a few years, and a back-end pay off on a premium purchase price.

  • Lender · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2012 · 714 posts · 169 votes
    13y

    What about a shared driveway for 2 houses? I saw this recently. Plus it was a steep driveway. Turned off a lot of buyers. Has anyone ever seen a shared driveway and the impact it could have on value or sales price?

  • Real Estate Investor · Audubon, PA · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    13y
    Originally posted by Sharon Vornholt:
    Years ago I went to a Robyn Thompson seminar. Those of you that are familiar with her know that she is the undisputed "queen" of reahbbing. ...

    You say "undisputed", I say "self anointed" - hey that puts it into dispute, so no longer can it be "undisputed" ...

  • Lender · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2012 · 714 posts · 169 votes
    13y

    Funny Steve Babiak ! Now it is disputed.

    But what about my question? re:

    "What about a shared driveway for 2 houses? I saw this recently. Plus it was a steep driveway. Turned off a lot of buyers. Has anyone ever seen a shared driveway and the impact it could have on value or sales price?"

    Do you have any feedback on this?

  • Real Estate Investor · Audubon, PA · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    13y

    I have no personal experience with completely shared driveways; I do have a rental where there is a driveway connected to the next door house's driveway - but each house has their own driveway so no sharing going on.

    But from searching on BP about shared driveways, I've seen nothing but bad stuff - so I would avoid unless a sure-fire money maker; see some links below:

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/51/topics/73566-shared-driveway---right-of-way-agreement

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/51/topics/69086-shared-driveway

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/52/topics/60685-i-have-to-evict-a-tenant-that-pays-early

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/44/topics/74791-developing-a-lot-in-an-existing-residential-community

  • Lender · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2012 · 714 posts · 169 votes
    13y

    Thanks Steve Babiak - great info.

  • Mechanicsburg, PA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    13y

    Marc Bodinger
    There is no set percentage off for either functional or external obselesence, it really depends on the servity of the situation.

    Personally I don't like:

    Houses on streets with double yellow lines
    Next to commerical use
    No off street parking
    Either too few square feet, like less than 1,200
    Or to many square feet like 3,000+ for a rental
    Goofy designs
    Flood zone, been there done that, last year had my office flooded with 4 feet of water and a residential property flooded with 13 feet of water at the same time when we got 2 hurricanes in a week.
    Low ceiling heights, looked at house with 6 ft ceilings and another with 4 ft basement ceilings, thanks but I'll pass.
    Roof line below street level, friend bought house like this people would drive by on the street and not see the house, which was below the street level.
    Too many bedrooms, recently looked at 6 bedroom house and once looked at a 12 bedroom ex-convent. When Shakespeare said "Get thee to a nunery." I don't think he was talking about real estate investments.
    3 or more story buildings with no elevators
    Houses on dirt roads/private roads
    Houses or additions not built to professional standards, looked at a house once that 2x4 floor joists, it was like walking on a trampoline.
    house next to interstate

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Pensacola, FL · Member since 2012 · 221 posts · 49 votes
    13y

    "External obsolescence" is the term, one guy used it above. I would call a local appraiser for their estimation. Pay them a fee to determine the market discount that'll be needed to cure the issue. OR, ideally, there are comps with the same problem you can use. Good luck.

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