Requesting experienced feedback on my DSCR + BRRRR + ADU plan (California B-markets)

Lender · Member since 2022 · 6k+ posts · 1k+ votes

10mo

Hey everyone,

I've spent the last few months deep-diving into BRRRR, DSCR lending, ADUs, Central Valley rental markets, and long-term value-add strategies. I'm finally ready to move from research into execution, and before I do, I want to sanity-check my plan with investors who have already walked this path.

My goal is a slow, stable portfolio — not aggressive flips or high-risk scaling.

Current Position

I own a small property in Tulare County that’s fully paid off
Working-class tenant base with stable demand
Doing repairs/improvements now
Planning a DSCR cash-out refinance to access equity
Staying totally local where I understand the rents and tenant behavior

The Strategy (months of research condensed)

1. DSCR Cash-Out Refinance on Current Property

Purpose:

Build reserves
Improve the property
Fund next acquisition
Prepare the lot for a future ADU

2. Acquire Property #2 (SFH or small multi)

Buy Box:

Central Valley California (B / B-minus markets)
$180K–$260K
Light to medium rehab
Under-market rents
Large lot or ADU potential preferred
Targeting long-term, stable working-class family tenants

3. Build an ADU on Property #1

Why:

Forces appreciation
Raises total rent
Strengthens DSCR metrics
Improves long-term stability
Better refinance options later

4. Refinance Again After ADU Completion

Goals:

Pull new equity
Acquire Property #3
Continue slow, predictable scaling over several years

Why I Think This Makes Sense

A lot of long-term operators seem to follow the same pattern:

Stay in markets you know
Improve what you own
Add value through ADUs and utility/expense optimization. (I have the reserves to do this).
Avoid massive rehabs unless numbers demand it
Let the snowball grow slowly
Prioritize tenant quality and stability over speed

This slow-BRRRR/value-add strategy fits my personality and long-term goals.

What I’d Love Experienced Input On

Does this DSCR → acquire → ADU → refi → repeat sequence make sense long term?
Any California-specific DSCR pitfalls I should be aware of?
For investors who have built ADUs: biggest lessons or unexpected hurdles?
Anyone operating in Central Valley B-markets — any nuances around tenants, maintenance, or rental stability I should factor in?
For those using DSCR loans, how realistic is it to secure a second DSCR loan after completing the first? Any sequencing, timing, or lender challenges I should plan for?

I appreciate any insight from investors who've used DSCR, done value-add projects, built ADUs, or scaled slowly in California. Happy to clarify any numbers if needed.

Hey @Victor Valencia

Congrats on starting your investing journey!

When it comes to DSCR lending, you will need to be cautious about the prepayment penalties and seasoning requirements. While there are lenders that offer no seasoning to cash out on the new appraised value and can price a DSCR loan with no prepay, the terms might not be as favorable, as compared to a traditional DSCR with 3-6 months seasoning and 3-5 Year PPPs.

If you are buying value add deals, you might want to consider a HELOC on the property you own free and clear. Some local banks and credit unions might offer you favorable terms for this. Having the flexibility to draw what you need versus taking on a whole lump sum is critical to ensure you aren't spending more than you should. If your strategy is to buy these properties with cash or hard money, then you can structure a cash out refi with a DSCR loan to repay the HELOC balance on the property you currently own. This also might help as well to make sure you aren't maxing out your refi proceeds and putting your cashflow in a tight spot, especially here in CA..

Also, make sure you get all the necessary permits to add the ADU/addition. Most lenders will want to verify the property is zoned as such or can be re-built as is, if the current use is non-conforming.

Something to keep in mind as well is to play very conservative on the ARV. It might seem like adding an ADU might help increase the value of the home significantly, however some appraisers might kill your estimated value if there are limited comps. Make sure you network with local appraisers and investors that follow a similar strategy in your area, and see what works.

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Chance House

Lender · Member since 2025 · 15 posts · 6 votes

10mo

Hey Victor -

Appreciate you articulating your plan so thoroughly.

Accessing your existing equity as a means of financing the scaling of your portfolio sounds like a solid plan. Based on what you've outlined, I think it may make most sense to take out a Hard Money Loan on property #1 to construct the ADU first. Once that is complete, you can then refinance the entire property and capture the additional value created by the ADU. This sequencing would help you avoid any issues with a pre-payment penalty.

From there, you could proceed to purchasing the second property, again with a Hard Money Loan, since you likely cannot obtain DSCR financing on a property that needs significant rehab. Once you complete the light rehab, proceed to refinance property #2 into a DSCR loan.

There's some nuance to this, but at first glance, this occurs to me as the most efficient path.

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Dan H.Pro Member

Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes

10mo

Building a single small residential unit is the most expensive development. I suspect a ground up ADU addition in Tulare County will cost near double what it adds in value. Are you aware that adding the ADU will make the existing home rent controlled if it is over 15 years old? Are you aware MF in CA are rent controlled and under market rents can be difficult to raise to market rent.

Brrrr virtually universally is cash flow negative after the high LTV refi to extract investment. In my market the RE investors that were doing BRRRRs prior to 2022 have transitioned to something other than BRRRRs. Search these forums on brrrr suing attention to what the investors are saying and recognize agents and lenders want to encourage RE sales. If you see a BP user that is advocating BRRRRs, open their profile and see if they have done a single brrrr since 2022.

Doing a DSCR loan for short duration on a property in need of rehab is typically not optimal and may be challenging. Look at private money or hard money for the short term loan on a property in need of rehab.

You want to be an RE investor, but the property you currently own has zero leverage. In the current RE market, after any value add is complete, leverage is necessary to achieve returns that justify the effort of residential RE.

I think you need to educate further. I think virtually every thing you suggested has challenges at this time.

good luck

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Victor Valencia
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Member since 2025 · 19 posts · 14 votes
9mo
Quote from @Dan H.:

Building a single small residential unit is the most expensive development. I suspect a ground up ADU addition in Tulare County will cost near double what it adds in value. Are you aware that adding the ADU will make the existing home rent controlled if it is over 15 years old? Are you aware MF in CA are rent controlled and under market rents can be difficult to raise to market rent.

Brrrr virtually universally is cash flow negative after the high LTV refi to extract investment. In my market the RE investors that were doing BRRRRs prior to 2022 have transitioned to something other than BRRRRs. Search these forums on brrrr suing attention to what the investors are saying and recognize agents and lenders want to encourage RE sales. If you see a BP user that is advocating BRRRRs, open their profile and see if they have done a single brrrr since 2022.

Doing a DSCR loan for short duration on a property in need of rehab is typically not optimal and may be challenging. Look at private money or hard money for the short term loan on a property in need of rehab.

You want to be an RE investor, but the property you currently own has zero leverage. In the current RE market, after any value add is complete, leverage is necessary to achieve returns that justify the effort of residential RE.

I think you need to educate further. I think virtually every thing you suggested has challenges at this time.

good luck

Thanks Dan, appreciate you sharing your experience — always helpful to hear how things work in other parts of CA. Just to clarify for everyone reading: the property I'm refinancing now is fully stabilized with two rents coming in (house + existing ADU), and it's 100% paid off.

The DSCR refi is just a low-LTV cash-out so I can buy property #2. For that next one, I'm only planning light rehab — just enough to make it clean and rentable. I'm taking more of a slow BRR approach, not the fast BRRRR model.

Any ADU idea would be way down the road after property #2 is already stabilized, and only if the numbers actually pencil. For now I’m keeping it simple: local area, conservative leverage, and learning as I go. Appreciate you pointing out the things to watch for.
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Dan H.Pro Member
Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
9mo
Quote from @Victor Valencia:

Quote from @Dan H.:

Building a single small residential unit is the most expensive development. I suspect a ground up ADU addition in Tulare County will cost near double what it adds in value. Are you aware that adding the ADU will make the existing home rent controlled if it is over 15 years old? Are you aware MF in CA are rent controlled and under market rents can be difficult to raise to market rent.

Brrrr virtually universally is cash flow negative after the high LTV refi to extract investment. In my market the RE investors that were doing BRRRRs prior to 2022 have transitioned to something other than BRRRRs. Search these forums on brrrr suing attention to what the investors are saying and recognize agents and lenders want to encourage RE sales. If you see a BP user that is advocating BRRRRs, open their profile and see if they have done a single brrrr since 2022.

Doing a DSCR loan for short duration on a property in need of rehab is typically not optimal and may be challenging. Look at private money or hard money for the short term loan on a property in need of rehab.

You want to be an RE investor, but the property you currently own has zero leverage. In the current RE market, after any value add is complete, leverage is necessary to achieve returns that justify the effort of residential RE.

I think you need to educate further. I think virtually every thing you suggested has challenges at this time.

good luck

Thanks Dan, appreciate you sharing your experience — always helpful to hear how things work in other parts of CA. Just to clarify for everyone reading: the property I'm refinancing now is fully stabilized with two rents coming in (house + existing ADU), and it's 100% paid off.

The DSCR refi is just a low-LTV cash-out so I can buy property #2. For that next one, I'm only planning light rehab — just enough to make it clean and rentable. I'm taking more of a slow BRR approach, not the fast BRRRR model.

Any ADU idea would be way down the road after property #2 is already stabilized, and only if the numbers actually pencil. For now I’m keeping it simple: local area, conservative leverage, and learning as I go. Appreciate you pointing out the things to watch for.
why is there no leverage on your current property? I agree to extract value from this property so it can benefit from leverage and the extracted money can be put to better use to obtain return.

Newbies want to start with light rehabs. Unfortunately light rehabs add little value in part because often an OO is willing to live in dated homes that are in ok shape. I believe unless you plan to do the light rehab work yourself, that you are likely better off buying one already fixed. Your light rehab, if using paid labor, is not going to add much more value than the project cost. These light rehab projects require effort from the owner/operator with minimal returns.

good luck

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Sheridan Skrobanek

Member since 2025 · 12 posts · 3 votes

9mo

Victor

Hey! So, I really appreciate how thoroughly you're thinking through this. You're approaching DSCR with the right mindset: stable cashflow, conservative leverage, and clear sequencing.

A couple DSCR-specific notes you may find helpful:

• Cash-out DSCRs often underwrite slightly differently than purchase DSCRs (rent coverage, seasoning, and LTV tolerance can shift depending on lender appetite).

• Timing matters — going from DSCR to ADU to DSCR is absolutely doable, but lenders will want to see how the first loan performs on paper before approving the second quickly.

• ADUs do strengthen DSCR metrics, but each lender treats projected ADU income differently (some count it, some discount it, some require it to be leased first).

• Your slow-BRRRR approach actually fits DSCR structure well, because you're not forcing high leverage or aggressive timelines.

If you ever want someone to sanity-check DSCR expectations or walk through how different lenders underwrite this exact sequence, I'm happy to offer clarity. Sometimes understanding the "why" behind the underwriting helps investors execute their plan confidently.

-Sheridan

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Victor Valencia
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Member since 2025 · 19 posts · 14 votes
9mo
Quote from @Sheridan Skrobanek:

Victor
Hey! So, I really appreciate how thoroughly you're thinking through this. You're approaching DSCR with the right mindset: stable cashflow, conservative leverage, and clear sequencing.
A couple DSCR-specific notes you may find helpful:

• Cash-out DSCRs often underwrite slightly differently than purchase DSCRs (rent coverage, seasoning, and LTV tolerance can shift depending on lender appetite).

• Timing matters — going from DSCR to ADU to DSCR is absolutely doable, but lenders will want to see how the first loan performs on paper before approving the second quickly.

• ADUs do strengthen DSCR metrics, but each lender treats projected ADU income differently (some count it, some discount it, some require it to be leased first).

• Your slow-BRRRR approach actually fits DSCR structure well, because you're not forcing high leverage or aggressive timelines.

If you ever want someone to sanity-check DSCR expectations or walk through how different lenders underwrite this exact sequence, I'm happy to offer clarity. Sometimes understanding the "why" behind the underwriting helps investors execute their plan confidently.
-Sheridan

Thanks Sheridan — this is super helpful. The part about timing and lender appetite is exactly what I’ve been trying to understand. My goal is to keep everything really clean on paper: stabilize, then move to the next step only after cashflow and payments look solid.
The plan is DSCR on my current place, buy the next rental, stabilize that one too, and only then look at an ADU or a second DSCR — nothing rushed.

If you’re open to it, I’d definitely appreciate a sanity-check on lender sequencing so I’m not setting myself up for friction later. I’m trying to build this slowly and correctly from the start.

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Sheridan Skrobanek

Member since 2025 · 12 posts · 3 votes

9mo

I sent you a message Victor. :)

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James JonesPro Member

Investor · Collierville, TN 38017 · Member since 2017 · 625 posts · 455 votes

9mo

Hey Victor, great breakdown. You’ve clearly done the homework, and honestly you’re already ahead of 90 percent of new investors simply because you have a written plan and a defined buy box.

A few thoughts from someone who's scaled using a mix of BRRRR, DSCR, and long-term value-add plays:

1. Yes, the DSCR → acquisition → ADU → refi → repeat sequence makes sense

It's slow BRRRR, but slow BRRRR is usually the most stable path for California markets. You're stacking value in layers instead of swinging for big ARV jumps in one shot, which reduces risk. DSCR lenders also love added units, so the ADU will strengthen your numbers with predictable rent.

2. California-specific DSCR pitfalls

The biggest challenge you'll hit isn't DSCR—it's appraisal compression. California appraisers tend to undervalue ADUs unless they're fully permitted and rented. Make sure you build with the exact intent to have it fully rentable and fully documented. A clean appraisal file is your best weapon.

Also be prepared for stricter DSCR coverage requirements in certain Cali zip codes. Some lenders bump minimum DSCR to 1.2–1.25 depending on perceived risk.

3. On ADUs: lessons learned

– Build as if you’ll refinance, not as if you’ll sell

– Keep the finishes rental-grade and repeatable

– Lock in your contractor early and verify they’ve done ADUs in your county before

– Start utility planning early (metering, panel upgrade, sewer line tracing) most delays happen here, not in framing or finishes

The biggest mistake I see is investors designing an ADU like a luxury Airbnb instead of a long-term rental. Focus on durability and speed.

4. Central Valley B-markets, what to know

You’re right to stay in working-class areas. Stability is much more predictable there. What I would factor in:

– Tenants stay longer but are more payment-sensitive

– You’ll win by keeping the properties very functional, not fancy

– Vacancy tends to cluster by season; budget for it

– Repairs are your real wildcard, so front-load your improvements

If you’re planning to own for decades, you’re thinking exactly the right way.

5. Sequencing DSCR loans

It's absolutely realistic to get a second DSCR shortly after the first one. What lenders mainly want to see is:

– Rent is actually in place

– DSCR metrics pencil cleanly

– You didn’t over-leverage on the first one

Where people get stuck:

– They try to refi the second property before the ADU is done on the first, which hurts cash reserves

– They accept too-low appraisals because they’re in a hurry

– They underestimate closing costs and slow their momentum

If you pace your cash flow and line up your lender relationships early, you’ll be fine.

Your plan overall:

Slow, local, value-add, rent-strong, improve-as-you-go, and refi only after true NOI increases, that's exactly how long-term operators win in California.

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Victor Valencia
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Member since 2025 · 19 posts · 14 votes
9mo
Quote from @James Jones:

Hey Victor, great breakdown. You’ve clearly done the homework, and honestly you’re already ahead of 90 percent of new investors simply because you have a written plan and a defined buy box.

A few thoughts from someone who's scaled using a mix of BRRRR, DSCR, and long-term value-add plays:

1. Yes, the DSCR → acquisition → ADU → refi → repeat sequence makes sense

It's slow BRRRR, but slow BRRRR is usually the most stable path for California markets. You're stacking value in layers instead of swinging for big ARV jumps in one shot, which reduces risk. DSCR lenders also love added units, so the ADU will strengthen your numbers with predictable rent.

2. California-specific DSCR pitfalls

The biggest challenge you'll hit isn't DSCR—it's appraisal compression. California appraisers tend to undervalue ADUs unless they're fully permitted and rented. Make sure you build with the exact intent to have it fully rentable and fully documented. A clean appraisal file is your best weapon.

Also be prepared for stricter DSCR coverage requirements in certain Cali zip codes. Some lenders bump minimum DSCR to 1.2–1.25 depending on perceived risk.

3. On ADUs: lessons learned

– Build as if you’ll refinance, not as if you’ll sell

– Keep the finishes rental-grade and repeatable

– Lock in your contractor early and verify they’ve done ADUs in your county before

– Start utility planning early (metering, panel upgrade, sewer line tracing) most delays happen here, not in framing or finishes

The biggest mistake I see is investors designing an ADU like a luxury Airbnb instead of a long-term rental. Focus on durability and speed.

4. Central Valley B-markets, what to know

You’re right to stay in working-class areas. Stability is much more predictable there. What I would factor in:

– Tenants stay longer but are more payment-sensitive

– You’ll win by keeping the properties very functional, not fancy

– Vacancy tends to cluster by season; budget for it

– Repairs are your real wildcard, so front-load your improvements

If you’re planning to own for decades, you’re thinking exactly the right way.

5. Sequencing DSCR loans

It's absolutely realistic to get a second DSCR shortly after the first one. What lenders mainly want to see is:

– Rent is actually in place

– DSCR metrics pencil cleanly

– You didn’t over-leverage on the first one

Where people get stuck:

– They try to refi the second property before the ADU is done on the first, which hurts cash reserves

– They accept too-low appraisals because they’re in a hurry

– They underestimate closing costs and slow their momentum

If you pace your cash flow and line up your lender relationships early, you’ll be fine.

Your plan overall:

Slow, local, value-add, rent-strong, improve-as-you-go, and refi only after true NOI increases, that's exactly how long-term operators win in California.
James, appreciate you taking the time to share that. Your breakdown on ADU appraisals, DSCR timing, and the utility side of things was really helpful. A lot of what you mentioned lines up with what I've been planning, but you added a few angles I hadn't thought about yet. Solid insight — thanks for sharing your experience.

— Victor

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James JonesPro Member
Investor · Collierville, TN 38017 · Member since 2017 · 625 posts · 455 votes
9mo
Quote from @Victor Valencia:

Quote from @James Jones:

Hey Victor, great breakdown. You’ve clearly done the homework, and honestly you’re already ahead of 90 percent of new investors simply because you have a written plan and a defined buy box.

A few thoughts from someone who's scaled using a mix of BRRRR, DSCR, and long-term value-add plays:

1. Yes, the DSCR → acquisition → ADU → refi → repeat sequence makes sense

It's slow BRRRR, but slow BRRRR is usually the most stable path for California markets. You're stacking value in layers instead of swinging for big ARV jumps in one shot, which reduces risk. DSCR lenders also love added units, so the ADU will strengthen your numbers with predictable rent.

2. California-specific DSCR pitfalls

The biggest challenge you'll hit isn't DSCR—it's appraisal compression. California appraisers tend to undervalue ADUs unless they're fully permitted and rented. Make sure you build with the exact intent to have it fully rentable and fully documented. A clean appraisal file is your best weapon.

Also be prepared for stricter DSCR coverage requirements in certain Cali zip codes. Some lenders bump minimum DSCR to 1.2–1.25 depending on perceived risk.

3. On ADUs: lessons learned

– Build as if you’ll refinance, not as if you’ll sell

– Keep the finishes rental-grade and repeatable

– Lock in your contractor early and verify they’ve done ADUs in your county before

– Start utility planning early (metering, panel upgrade, sewer line tracing) most delays happen here, not in framing or finishes

The biggest mistake I see is investors designing an ADU like a luxury Airbnb instead of a long-term rental. Focus on durability and speed.

4. Central Valley B-markets, what to know

You’re right to stay in working-class areas. Stability is much more predictable there. What I would factor in:

– Tenants stay longer but are more payment-sensitive

– You’ll win by keeping the properties very functional, not fancy

– Vacancy tends to cluster by season; budget for it

– Repairs are your real wildcard, so front-load your improvements

If you’re planning to own for decades, you’re thinking exactly the right way.

5. Sequencing DSCR loans

It's absolutely realistic to get a second DSCR shortly after the first one. What lenders mainly want to see is:

– Rent is actually in place

– DSCR metrics pencil cleanly

– You didn’t over-leverage on the first one

Where people get stuck:

– They try to refi the second property before the ADU is done on the first, which hurts cash reserves

– They accept too-low appraisals because they’re in a hurry

– They underestimate closing costs and slow their momentum

If you pace your cash flow and line up your lender relationships early, you’ll be fine.

Your plan overall:

Slow, local, value-add, rent-strong, improve-as-you-go, and refi only after true NOI increases, that's exactly how long-term operators win in California.
James, appreciate you taking the time to share that. Your breakdown on ADU appraisals, DSCR timing, and the utility side of things was really helpful. A lot of what you mentioned lines up with what I've been planning, but you added a few angles I hadn't thought about yet. Solid insight — thanks for sharing your experience.

— Victor

Victor, glad it helped. ADUs and DSCR underwriting both look clean on paper, but the real swings tend to come from the things people overlook early, timing, appraiser interpretation, and how utilities are structured.

If you stay disciplined on those three pieces, the rest of the plan usually falls into place. Sounds like you’re thinking about it the right way. Feel free to share numbers or a specific property when you’re ready to sanity-check the next step.
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Caeli RidgeBusiness Member

Lender · Portland, OR · Member since 2016 · 30 posts · 13 votes

9mo

You’ve clearly put a lot of work into this plan — and honestly, it’s one of the more grounded approaches I’ve seen from someone getting ready to scale. Slow, local, and value-focused tends to age well, especially in California markets where surprises can get expensive fast.

A few thoughts from the lending/long-term hold perspective:

• The DSCR → buy → ADU → refi → repeat model absolutely can work, especially when you're staying in a market you understand. DSCR lenders mainly care about two things: rental coverage and borrower stability. If you keep your cash flow strong and your reserves healthy, getting a second DSCR loan generally isn't an issue.

• Just be aware of California-specific quirks with DSCR loans.
Many lenders have tighter DSCR minimums in the state, higher reserve requirements, and more conservative appraisals—especially on properties with ADU projections. Some won't count ADU income until the ADU is complete and leased, so make sure your numbers still work without it.

• On ADUs:
The biggest surprises investors run into are permitting timelines, utility connection costs, and impact fees. Some cities in the Central Valley are great to work with, others take longer than expected. Budget extra time and be ready for unexpected line items (sewer tie-ins are a common one).

• Central Valley B-markets tend to reward clean, well-maintained properties.
Working-class tenants in this region are generally stable, but they also expect responsive management and safe, functional homes. You’ll see fewer wild rent spikes than coastal California but more consistent occupancy.

• On sequencing DSCR loans:
As long as:
– the first loan is performing well,
– your DSCR remains above the lender's threshold, and
– you maintain required reserves,

most lenders are fine with back-to-back DSCR loans. The main friction tends to be appraisal turns and how conservative they are during the cash-out phase.

Overall, your plan checks out. You’re stacking value slowly, keeping leverage controlled, and reinvesting locally where you already understand the tenant base. That’s exactly how a lot of long-term operators in California have built durable portfolios.

– Ridge Lending Group (Licensed in 49 states, excluding NY)

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Requesting experienced feedback on my DSCR + BRRRR + ADU plan (California B-markets)

Requesting experienced feedback on my DSCR + BRRRR + ADU plan (California B-markets)

Current Position

1. DSCR Cash-Out Refinance on Current Property

2. Acquire Property #2 (SFH or small multi)

3. Build an ADU on Property #1

4. Refinance Again After ADU Completion

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Current Position

1. DSCR Cash-Out Refinance on Current Property

2. Acquire Property #2 (SFH or small multi)

3. Build an ADU on Property #1

4. Refinance Again After ADU Completion