New to Real Estate · Houston · Member since 2026 · 80 posts · 63 votes
One thing I’m trying to think through with BRRRRs is whether the rehab budget should be based on getting the property rent-ready, or getting it strong enough for the refinance to actually work.
Those aren’t always the same thing. You might be able to rent the house after a basic cleanup, paint, flooring, and a few repairs. But if the appraisal comes in light, the major systems look rough, or the property still feels half-finished, the refi may not pull enough cash back out. For people who have done BRRRRs, where do you draw that line when you’re building the initial repair budget?
Lender · Orlando, FL · Member since 2023 · 220 posts · 183 votes
3mo
Hey Ali,
In my opinion, the rehab budget should be built before you ever buy the property, not adjusted later based on what you hope the refinance will do. As investors, it's our responsibility to underwrite the deal and perform the due diligence upfront. That means understanding what the property needs to be a solid rental, estimating a realistic ARV, and determining whether the refinance works based on those numbers.
If the deal only works because you're planning to push the rehab beyond what makes sense for a rental, that's a red flag. A BRRRR should generally work with a reasonable mid-range rental rehab. If the numbers don't work with that approach, then it's probably not a BRRRR deal to begin with. The refinance should be a result of good underwriting and buying right, not something you're trying to force through additional renovation dollars after the fact.
Lender · Orlando, FL · Member since 2023 · 220 posts · 183 votes
3mo
Hey Ali,
In my opinion, the rehab budget should be built before you ever buy the property, not adjusted later based on what you hope the refinance will do. As investors, it's our responsibility to underwrite the deal and perform the due diligence upfront. That means understanding what the property needs to be a solid rental, estimating a realistic ARV, and determining whether the refinance works based on those numbers.
If the deal only works because you're planning to push the rehab beyond what makes sense for a rental, that's a red flag. A BRRRR should generally work with a reasonable mid-range rental rehab. If the numbers don't work with that approach, then it's probably not a BRRRR deal to begin with. The refinance should be a result of good underwriting and buying right, not something you're trying to force through additional renovation dollars after the fact.
I've complete over 2 dozen BRRRR's. Making it just rent ready isn't the concept of the BRRRR. The goal of the BRRRR is to rehab the areas that return the best value; I.e., kitchens, bathrooms, add a bedroom if there is enough square footage (going from 2 bedrooms to 3 bedrooms), etc. That doesn't mean you don't rehab other areas it just means you need to be strategic in your methods.
In simple terms, if I spend $30K can I up the ARV to 45K-60K.
Lender · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 505 votes
3mo
From what I have seen, it makes the most sense to rehab it to be able to make the refinance and the rent work. Also if you are doing a non fix and flip loan such as a DSCR cash out refinance loan, the appraisal has to come back with the appraiser marking "as is" on the appraisal form and not "subject to" repairs being done. If the appraiser marks "subject to" repairs being done, those need to be done before the loan can close.
The DSCR loan program is for ready to rent properties. Most investors try to do the work that will make the most sense financially to increase the ARV and the rent the investor will receive from the future tenant.
Specialist · NJ · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 652 votes
3mo
You are going to be constrained by the rent and in most markets the value exceeds the rent at a great margin. That's the issue. If a 600k house rents for 3500, then how can you pull 75% out.
So even if you fix the house up to the 9s and get the highest value, the market rent for the area is what it is and that will limit he refi loan amount.
There are markets out there where you can find the golden 1% rule where the rent is 1% of the value, and definitely in the 2 - 4 asset class. You can have a duplex worth 150k where each side rents for 1300. That's 2600 in rent for a 150k building. Now you are exceeding industry standard numbers. Others are getting .5% - .75% of the rent/value and you are getting 1.66% of rent per value. Accumulate situations like that year after year.
I budget to whatever the ARV comps were finished to, because that's the level the appraisal pays you back for. Rent-ready is usually a notch below that, so stopping at cleanup and paint when your comps are renovated is how the refi comes in light. On my BRRRRs I pull the comps first and match the rehab scope to them, then check the rent still works at that finish.
Lender · Marlboro, NJ · Member since 2025 · 243 posts · 150 votes
3mo
Refinance-ready, every time. Rent-ready just gets you a tenant, but the refi is the whole point of a BRRRR, it's how you pull your capital back out to go do the next one. If you budget only to rent-ready and then the appraisal comes in light or the appraiser flags tired systems, your cash stays trapped and the strategy stalls.
That said, refi-ready doesn't mean over-improving. It means two things. Renovate to the standard of the comps your ARV depends on, not above them, since anything past that ceiling is wasted money. And don't let a major system be the thing that drags your value, roof, HVAC, electrical, plumbing, or a half-finished look are what bring in a soft appraisal or a subject-to-repairs note that shrinks your cash-out.
One more from the financing side: if you're refinancing into a DSCR, the rent has to cover the new payment at the lender's ratio too, so don't under-rehab to where rents come in light either. Build the budget around the appraisal and the refi terms, not the tenant. The tenant's the easy part
One thing I’m trying to think through with BRRRRs is whether the rehab budget should be based on getting the property rent-ready, or getting it strong enough for the refinance to actually work.
Those aren’t always the same thing. You might be able to rent the house after a basic cleanup, paint, flooring, and a few repairs. But if the appraisal comes in light, the major systems look rough, or the property still feels half-finished, the refi may not pull enough cash back out. For people who have done BRRRRs, where do you draw that line when you’re building the initial repair budget?
Hi Ali, that's a great question and honestly one of the biggest mistakes newer BRRRR investors make. In my opinion, the rehab budget should be built around the refinance first and the rental second. Getting a property rent-ready is important, but if your goal is to pull capital back out, you need to think like an appraiser and lender as well. I've seen properties that could easily be rented after some paint, flooring, and minor repairs, but they still left a lot of value on the table because key items like kitchens, bathrooms, deferred maintenance, or major systems weren't addressed. Before closing, I like to estimate what work is actually needed to support the target ARV and then work backward from there. That doesn't mean over-improving the property, but it does mean making sure the finished product is consistent with the comparable sales you're using to justify the refinance value. The refinance is really what makes the BRRRR strategy work, so I'd rather spend a little more upfront if it significantly improves the odds of hitting the projected appraisal and recovering more of my capital.
One thing I’m trying to think through with BRRRRs is whether the rehab budget should be based on getting the property rent-ready, or getting it strong enough for the refinance to actually work.
Those aren’t always the same thing. You might be able to rent the house after a basic cleanup, paint, flooring, and a few repairs. But if the appraisal comes in light, the major systems look rough, or the property still feels half-finished, the refi may not pull enough cash back out. For people who have done BRRRRs, where do you draw that line when you’re building the initial repair budget?
It depends on the investors goals and probably where they are at that particular moment in time.
Blindly chasing the highest appraised value, so you can pull out the most amount of cash, can actually lead to negative cashflow.
On the other hand, doing the minimum RentReady work, may lead to a lower appraised value and an investor leaving a lot of their own money in the deal.
Recommend looking at both options and evaluating which is needed at that moment in time for that property.
Lender · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
3mo
Over the last few years I've done 14 out-of-state BRRRRs, and early on my biggest mistake was chasing "lipstick rehab" deals. What I learned is that skipping the major mechanicals just means you're kicking the can down the road, you're setting yourself up for capex headaches later. So now I only take on projects where I'm budgeting for a true full rehab: electrical, HVAC, roof, the works, not just cosmetic upgrades. If a deal doesn't call for that level of overhaul, I'm passing on it. Beyond making the numbers more predictable, this approach also gives your ARV more credibility and makes it easier for the appraiser to take your SOW seriously.
The other big mistake I see BRRRR investors make is not nailing down their refi exit strategy early enough. That's actually why I built a customer-facing DSCR pricing tool, it lets investors size up their refinance exit before the rehab is even finished, and track pricing in real time as they get closer to completion. Link's in my BP signature if you want to check it out
Lender · Houston, TX · Member since 2025 · 43 posts · 22 votes
2mo
From what I've seen working with BRRRR investors, the most successful ones don't budget just to make the property rentable—they budget with the refinance in mind from day one.
A property may rent after cosmetic updates, but if deferred maintenance or major systems are still an issue, it can impact both the appraiser's opinion of value and the overall marketability of the property.
I also think it's important to underwrite the refinance conservatively before you ever close on the purchase. If the numbers only work assuming a perfect appraisal or the absolute highest ARV, there's very little room for error.
The investors I see having the most success today are buying with enough margin that even if the refinance doesn't return every dollar invested, they're still comfortable holding the property long term. In today's market, that flexibility is just as important as maximizing cash-out.
Curious how others approach this—do you have a target percentage of your capital that you're aiming to recover on the refinance, or is your decision based more on long-term cash flow and equity growth?