do I consider 1031 from my 4.9 m $ property in Los Angeles

do I consider 1031 from my 4.9 m $ property in Los Angeles

Real Estate Investor · CA · Member since 2016 · 7 posts · 2 votes

I'm a 63 year old doctor and a student of BP and RE investing but little practice. My investments have been acquired and managed by my buddy my accountant, who has 250 doors. I have a 20 unit multifamily near the Pasadena City College in LA (this is rent control but considered pretty desirable and not likely to severely crash in a decline). There's about a 350,000$ rental income a year and the net net is 70-130,000$ depending on capital investments needed. Value is 4.9 M and loan is 2.0 M. This seems like a bad cash on cash return, although admittedly it looks worse because of recent appreciation. I've had the property for 3 years after 3.3 M purchase price and we've managed to turn over half the tenants for higher rents. The rest of the tenants are rocks. But it seems like I could get both better forced appreciation AND better cash flow in another market (10 per cent would be nice). I have a friend who owns 40 doors in Cleveland, but an exchange there would give him 75 or 100 more because they are worth less and he doesn't have the time or expertise to manage it. He has gotten me an introduction to someone who might be interested in co investing, managing and helping me with the exchange and loan acquisition; his family manages 4000 + doors. Does anyone have any guidance here: this is a large part of my net worth and I'm sure it's easy to mess this up. Other markets and other ideas are welcome. Thanks ahead of time for not laughing too much, I'm new here and this site seems too good to be true. 

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Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2015 · 6k+ posts · 2k+ votes
9y
Originally posted by @Diane G.:

I would DOWNSIZE.....

Sell the property and buy something smaller for half of the proceeds and pocket the other half is the proceeds....

It could take you a couple of years to get this done....

Nooooooo... That sounds like a terrible idea! Spending half the capital, instead of only the RETURN from all of it? Those sort of comments belong on that OTHER website: smallerpockets dot com...

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  • Specialist · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2014 · 670 posts · 352 votes
    9y
    Robert you are absolutely correct that you can increase your total doors by buying out of state but the appreciation will be had in a value add scenario. A 10% return is attainable, and your strategy should depend on your long term goals. Finding the right partners, who have your best interests at heart will be paramount.
  • Investor / Mentor / Contractor · Arcadia, CA Buying Out of State · Member since 2015 · 655 posts · 622 votes
    9y
    Robert I live in Arcadia (next to Pasadena) and own 239 units out of state. The key is management as you have stated and you are obviously smart enough to bring that up as The Key. I am essentially the property Manager for my units and I hire employees to run the day to day onsite. It is a decent amount of work and takes expertise, which I have. So, it's not for everyone.
  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 147 posts · 27 votes
    9y
    Admirable stuff going on here. Following.
  • Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2015 · 6k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    If you EVER want to shoot for cash flow rather than appreciation, seems to me: NOW is the time!

    ie. While you're still "young" enough at 63 to enjoy extra passive income into retirement.

    You can't spend "equity". You get to spend: cash! [$2M outlay, generating net $200k/y!]

    With $200k/y passive income, there's no need to bother about appreciation! Beats $70-130k.

    You might want to check out the posts by @Michael Swan. His story seems similar to your friends' (or is that not a coincidence?)

    Certainly worth investigating the implications of a 1031 exchange, I reckon. Welcome to BP...

  • Investor · Singapore · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y

    Clearly your LA investment has blown the socks of anything the midwest could ever offer. My question would be: Do you need more cash flow? If you are still working then probably not. Then I say hold on to what you got. If you need to live off cash flow you could move the money into a higher cash flow market. But I wouldnt be comfortable putting $2+ mil in a shady C type neighborhood where you get the 10+ percent yeilds (at least on paper).

  • Investor/Developer · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2010 · 107 posts · 92 votes
    9y

    Hi @Robert Y. pointed out, you should really evaluate whether or not your need more cash flow.  At a point in time when most are planning for retirement and touring the world, do you really want to trade wealth building (appreciating markets) and stable cash flow for markets where appreciation would be less likely ?

    I've never been a fan for trading solidly performing assets with good cash flow for risky second tier markets.  Alternatively, if your lender does agree with your valuations you can refinance, pull the some proceeds out of your LA asset and move some of that "risk capital" into less expensive markets for more cash flow.  If it works out you'll increase your cash on cash returns, if it doesn't you can soften the blow of losses by offsetting some of your taxable income from the LA asset that is likely to have greater appreciation upside. 

    This market is my backyard.  If you'd like to chat I'd be happy to go into more detail.

    Best of luck,

    Allan

  • CA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y
    I would DOWNSIZE..... Sell the property and buy something smaller for half of the proceeds and pocket the other half is the proceeds.... It could take you a couple of years to get this done....
  • Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2015 · 6k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Diane G.:

    I would DOWNSIZE.....

    Sell the property and buy something smaller for half of the proceeds and pocket the other half is the proceeds....

    It could take you a couple of years to get this done....

    Nooooooo... That sounds like a terrible idea! Spending half the capital, instead of only the RETURN from all of it? Those sort of comments belong on that OTHER website: smallerpockets dot com...

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    Real Estate Broker · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    @Robert Y.

    You made 2 million dollars in three years. Why would you decide that investing in no appreciation markets would be better?

  • Rental Property Investor · Mineola, NY · Member since 2014 · 838 posts · 212 votes
    9y

    @Robert Y. you should work backwards and try to figure out what your looking to accomplish. If it is cash flow, you should be able to get more outside of your local market. I would love to talk real estate and see if I can help in anyway.

  • Real Estate Investor · CA · Member since 2016 · 7 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    Wow many thanks for your help and experienced perspectives. Yes I've heard from my local buddies that I should not switch, but it seems like reasonable due diligence to think about it. I'm going to talk to some of you and maybe there's some options with my other holdings. Robert Yoho

  • Real Estate Investor · CA · Member since 2016 · 7 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    correction 

    LA city college not pasadena

    Pas does not have rent control

  • Investor · Coppell, TX · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 646 votes
    9y

    Hello and welcome to BP!  I would tend to know the tax consequences by not doing a 1031.  If it has pretty good positive the appreciation will probably increase over holding it longer.  It depends what your goals are.  Do you feel like the current conditions value that it holds will not increase over the current value?  It might work for your planned future depending where it is.  Can you possibly gain by buying something else?    If you have another main interest you might do what makes that better.

    If you have outside management and that kind of profit I would tend to keep that.  Especially if does not require too much of your time I would tend to keep it unless you think another property will require less of your time. 

    Good luck to you!

  • Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2016 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    9y
    👇🏼 No, no, NO!

    Originally posted by @Diane G.:

    I would DOWNSIZE.....

    Sell the property and buy something smaller for half of the proceeds and pocket the other half is the proceeds....

    It could take you a couple of years to get this done....

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