512% cash-on-cash return on one rental using BRRR strategy

512% cash-on-cash return on one rental using BRRR strategy

Flipper/Rehabber · Portland, OR · Member since 2014 · 119 posts · 121 votes

Hi BP,

Wanted to share a successful BRRR deal I finished recently, it was actually my first time using the BRRR strategy instead of just flipping the house and I must say I am hooked. Also, the title of this post can be a little confusing or unrealistic to those who don't know what the BRRR strategy entails, those who are versed in it likely immediately realized the reason the cash-on-cash was so high was that such a small amount of my capital was left in the deal after the refinance.

If you scroll below you can see photos of the finished product.

Here are the details:

I bought a property that had on it 2 detached single family homes on 1 tax lot, the city and the bank recognized it as a duplex even though it technically isn't a duplex. I paid $200k using private money to fund the entire purchase price. I spent about $75-80k renovating the front and back unit completely with new everything. My all-in cost after all of the renovation cost, financing cost, utilities, refinance fees and closing costs was about $305,000. After renovation was complete, I rented out one unit for $1,650 and the other for $1,500 for a combined $3,150 per month on a 12-month lease. Total cash flow after accounting for PITI expenses ONLY is $1,282 per month. The yield would obviously be a little lower after accounting for vacancy, capex, PM but 1) for the time being I am self-managing and 2) the property is fully renovated and turnkey so capex should be very minimal for the first few years at least.

The bank appraised the property at $440,000 and allowed me to do a cash-out-refinance at 70% loan-to-value. I took out the full 70% which came out to $308,000, leaving roughly $3,000 of my own cash into the deal.

When you look at this deal through a cash-on-cash analysis the yield looks insanely high but what that analysis fails to account for is the amount of equity I left in the deal. That equity could have been cashed out and put to use if I flipped the property but instead is parked in this rental property so there is some opportunity cost there that brings my true yield down further if you factor it in to calculate the return on equity. However, if I had cashed out I would have to pay the capital gains tax on the earnings. It was a hard decision trying to decide which way to take this deal and ultimately decided to make a long-term play on it and keep it, I think I will thank myself for it in the future. 

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
8y

there are no deals on the west coast you must be making this up !!!   :)

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  • Jonathan Taylor SmithBusiness Member
    Rental Property Investor · Durham / Raleigh (Triangle), NC · Member since 2015 · 841 posts · 802 votes
    8y

    @Jeff V. - I too would like to know what lender you are using for a 2nd position HELOC on an investment property, as every lender I ask about getting a HELOC on a rental property with a mortgage and plenty of equity present say NO before I even finish asking the question.

    J.T.

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  • Member since 2018 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    8y

    Nice job!

  • Chris KaufmannPro Member
    Realtor · Davenport, IA · Member since 2018 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    8y

    I've been experiencing low appraisals post remodel on my last few BRRR's. Very frustrating especially as a seasoned Realtor who knows true market value. Glad to hear others are having better luck.

  • Investor · El Paso, TX · Member since 2012 · 75 posts · 16 votes
    8y

    Thats a good one, how did you get the private money, was it with someone you had a longstanding relationship with? Also what were the terms of the deal for the private money lender, which made it something he had to do?

  • Specialist · Rockville, MD · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 7 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Svetoslav Deltchev:

    Congratulations! But if your cost is in total $305000 and you have pull out $308000, you don't have any equity in the deal. 

    Am I missing something? 

     Hey Svetoslav,

    You seem to be missing "The bank appraised the property at $440,000", which is the total value as far as the bank is concerned. The amount taken out is now against the bank appraisal number, which is where the new equity is coming from.  I hope that helps.

    - The Dan 

  • Andrew SyriosPro Member
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    Residential Real Estate Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    8y

    Meh... not too shabby I guess...

  • Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2018 · 81 posts · 27 votes
    8y

    Nice work, but I think you're looking at it the wrong way. You said you're in for 305k cash. You cashed out 70% of the appraisal for 308k, so it sounds like you ended up with your entire 305k cash back, another 3k cash "bonus", and then 30% equity in a 440k duplex that generates around $1200/month NOI. On paper, you have to view it like you paid 30% down for this new investment, which is 132k. So your upcoming cash on cash is around 11%, and ROI is around 15% (assuming 5% interest on the mortgage). Those both sound good to me. The cap is 7-8, but frankly, it doesn't mean much without knowing your market.

    Now if you want to look at the total ROI of your investment right as you're about to start managing the duplex, it's simple. It's just the 440k appraisal minus what you put in, divided by what you put in. So (440k-305k)/305k=44% ROI over X period of time. Everything here is phenomenal as far as I'm concerned, but nowhere would I say your cash on cash is 512%.

    Really, the only question to ask yourself is what you could have done with the extra 30% of 440k. If you had another deal you projected to generate more than 11% cash on cash per anum, then you should've sold this. If not, then you made the right call.

    Of course, this is all predicated on the property actually being worth 440k. As other people have mentioned, it's only worth what someone is willing to pay, which could be far less than 440k. Either way, it's still fine to use the 440k number as the basis for your calculations...because it's the best thing you have at this point. Anyway, good luck. I would kill for something that good...and in your shoes, I absolutely would have held the duplex.

  • Rental Property Investor · Baton Rouge | New Orleans, LA · Member since 2018 · 51 posts · 7 votes
    8y
    @Heidi Foster following
  • Rental Property Investor · Baton Rouge | New Orleans, LA · Member since 2018 · 51 posts · 7 votes
    8y
    @Omid A. Looks like private money lending is the way to go! Everyone is happy, everyone gets paid.
  • Member since 2018 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    8y

    Great Job! Glad to hear this went well for you. It's hard to find those in my area, but I'm planning to do the same thing for my next property.

    You said you used private money to fund it. Where did you find these investors? Family, friends, local meet up group members?

  • Northern, CA · Member since 2014 · 674 posts · 444 votes
    8y

    love all the naysayers trying to spin this great deal in a negative light, or at least diminishing it. I've done a couple of these so far and managed to get all my cash out. Yes, I left a lot of equity in them but I don't need it to fund the next deal or life expenses. My frustration right now is having way more money/funding to buy properties than I can find, however I'm not actively looking locally right now either. I don't care how you calculate the CoC, great job. I consider mine "infinite" and I'll take these types of deals all day long. I only plan to sell flips in order to fund more BRRRR's

    For those looking for Heloc's or loans on investment properties, take a look at credit unions.  After seeing the above comments I was able to find one via google that will do 80% per their website, took about 10 seconds.  I need to do this personally so I can tap these cheaper funds to do flips and a lot less paperwork once it's established plus it's a tax write off.

  • Specialist · Tarrant County, TX · Member since 2018 · 18 posts · 12 votes
    8y

    Amazing deal, Omid!  Your math seems sound to me.  Ran it through a calculator, actually -- your cash flow (pre-cap ex, etc.) does come out to 5.12x your cash out-of-pocket.  And you managed to create about 132k of equity in the deal, which you can take advantage of next year via a 1031 exchange.  (Although I might be tempted to cash-flow something like that for 3-4 years instead.)

    Inspiring story, man.  Thanks for sharing.  That method is pretty much exactly the way my wife's and my mentor teaches to do it:  Fix everything, price it right, and screen tenants carefully to avoid capex, vacancies, and trashed properties, resp.  

    We did a deal in Houston this summer that was nowhere near as amazing a return, but still pretty pleasing for us (esp. for our first BRRRR). With 17K out of pocket, we bought a property for 118K, put in 38K of rehab, rented it for 1600/month, and got a post-rehab appraisal of 245K. We were tickled pink. You're right -- pretty addictive!

    Well, I'll be keeping up with your posts to see how you follow this act.  Happy investing!

  • Member since 2018 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    8y

    Good.some deals in california?

  • Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    8y

    i love reading about deals like this!!!!  Makes me feel ill be able to get my first one soon!!!

  • Rental Property Investor · Littleton, CO · Member since 2014 · 150 posts · 114 votes
    8y

    Nicely done Omid! Those little houses look great, you probably got your pick of tenants as well which is priceless. 

  • Katy, TX · Member since 2017 · 12 posts · 4 votes
    8y

    Good job! I've learned a lot from the discussions and the deal. I hope to make a killer deal like this one someday.

  • Richmond, VA · Member since 2017 · 21 posts · 11 votes
    8y

    @omid 

    @Omid A. Good Job, just curious, could you have pulled out 80% LTV? and if so whyd didn't you?

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Portland, OR · Member since 2014 · 119 posts · 121 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Abi Wegman:

    For those struggling with the 512%, here it is:

    Cash-on-cash is calculated as (Annual Income)/(Cash Invested). @Omid A. said he's getting $1,282/month in income. That's $15,384/year. He said he's left $3,000 of his own money in the deal.

    $15,384/$3,000 = 5.128, or 512.8% CoC return.

    What I'm not seeing is how you left $3k in the deal. You said all-in is $305k, but you took out $308k from the loan. Didn't you actually get paid to own this property?

     You have it exactly right. As for the 3k, I think I had it mixed up there. I was all-in 308k and pulled out 305k, leaving 3k in; good catch. 

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Portland, OR · Member since 2014 · 119 posts · 121 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Alex T.:

    Nice work, but I think you're looking at it the wrong way. You said you're in for 305k cash. You cashed out 70% of the appraisal for 308k, so it sounds like you ended up with your entire 305k cash back, another 3k cash "bonus", and then 30% equity in a 440k duplex that generates around $1200/month NOI. On paper, you have to view it like you paid 30% down for this new investment, which is 132k. So your upcoming cash on cash is around 11%, and ROI is around 15% (assuming 5% interest on the mortgage). Those both sound good to me. The cap is 7-8, but frankly, it doesn't mean much without knowing your market.

    Now if you want to look at the total ROI of your investment right as you're about to start managing the duplex, it's simple. It's just the 440k appraisal minus what you put in, divided by what you put in. So (440k-305k)/305k=44% ROI over X period of time. Everything here is phenomenal as far as I'm concerned, but nowhere would I say your cash on cash is 512%.

    Really, the only question to ask yourself is what you could have done with the extra 30% of 440k. If you had another deal you projected to generate more than 11% cash on cash per anum, then you should've sold this. If not, then you made the right call.

    Of course, this is all predicated on the property actually being worth 440k. As other people have mentioned, it's only worth what someone is willing to pay, which could be far less than 440k. Either way, it's still fine to use the 440k number as the basis for your calculations...because it's the best thing you have at this point. Anyway, good luck. I would kill for something that good...and in your shoes, I absolutely would have held the duplex.

    Hey Alex,

     What you are talking about is return-on-equity, which is an important point to consider but you have the numbers a little mixed up. When factoring in the equity and treating it like it was a down payment, my cash-on-cash would not be 11% because in order to tap into the full 30% I would have to sell the property, thus paying income taxes. 

    Cash-on-cash is a very simple calculation. In your analysis, you are basically replacing the cash-on-cash value with a skewed return-on-equity value and calling it a more accurate COC value, instead of just calculating for each metric independently and analyzing both. Hope that made sense.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Portland, OR · Member since 2014 · 119 posts · 121 votes
    8y

    @Dillon Dull

    If I could have pulled out 80% I would have but the local bank I was working with capped it at 70% LTV.

    @Scott Schultz

    Those are some nice numbers you are putting up, COC on that would technically be "infinite," my financing is a 30-year fixed interest mortgage.

  • Denver, CO · Member since 2017 · 6 posts · 0 votes
    8y

    Great property! Did your permanent financing require any seasoning?

    From my experience you have to wait 6-12 months before you can pull cash out and I was wondering how you worked around this requirement?

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Portland, OR · Member since 2014 · 119 posts · 121 votes
    8y

    @Bryan Henry Yes there was a 6-month seasoning period

  • Lender · Yukon, OK · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    8y

    Congratulations on this cash-out-refi which gives you infinite ROI. I just closed on one myself about 6 weeks ago. This can really snowball any RE portfolio and pile on passive income while building Net Worth!

  • Member since 2018 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    8y

    HI Omid,

    what is a BRRR Deal, and how did you tap into private money.

  • Durham, NC · Member since 2015 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    8y

    Omid, 

    Awesome job!  Buy and hold is a good play for long term gain.   Congrats

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