The FHA Self Sufficiency Test is not passing for almost all 3-4 unit properties

The FHA Self Sufficiency Test is not passing for almost all 3-4 unit properties

Alan AsriantsBusiness Member
Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

As an investor agent who started with House Hacking, I also help clients who are looking to get into the Real Estate game by House Hacking.

House hacking is an awesome strategy that lets newer investors and homeowners get started for only 3.5% down using an FHA loan

If a client is purchasing a duplex all they need to do is qualify for the loan amount they are looking at and they can use the income from the other unit to help them qualify as well

This is not the same case for 3-4 unit properties. 

For 3-4 unit homes, the borrower has to qualify for the loan amount but the rent from the other units (the ones they are not living in) have to cover your PITI (principle, interest, taxes, and insurance)

The problem now, is that almost NONE of the 3-4 unit properties qualify for this self sufficiency test

Even properties deemed to be a "good deal" don't qualify even if the borrower can

This is making it extremely difficult for House Hackers to scale and get into larger multi family properties

I was even working on helping a client out for a property that was an excellent deal with top market rents and the property still didnt qualify

There are many programs out there that are helping first time buyers, grant programs, etc. but FHA really needs to give on this self sufficiency test.

This will only create a larger gap between investors and homebuyers

Even at the low interest rates that my properties have (2.75-3.625%) they still wouldn't qualify with 3.5% down.

Something needs to change. FHA buyers, at least in my market, don't have access to deals that are selling 100k under market value, in fact, no one does.

This is true for the Greater Phila/Phila market

And before anyone tries to tell me there are deals in philly that can pass this test, please, we are not looking in D class areas. 

Hopefully we see a change so that more of our community can get into the game!

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Kevin MoyerBusiness Member
Property Manager · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 271 posts · 303 votes
3y

Interesting post, thanks for the insight.

I think the reality is a lot of these Philadelphia deals "$100k under market" aren't actually under market. In fact they are still above the real 'market'. 

Philly small multi-family has taken a huge value hit over the last few years. I have investors in my circle who bought a triplex for $550k in 2015 selling it for $430k in 2023. Especially around the Temple area. Values have just taken a nosedive due to a mix of expiring tax abatements and a glut of inventory. 

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  • Kevin MoyerBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 271 posts · 303 votes
    3y

    Interesting post, thanks for the insight.

    I think the reality is a lot of these Philadelphia deals "$100k under market" aren't actually under market. In fact they are still above the real 'market'. 

    Philly small multi-family has taken a huge value hit over the last few years. I have investors in my circle who bought a triplex for $550k in 2015 selling it for $430k in 2023. Especially around the Temple area. Values have just taken a nosedive due to a mix of expiring tax abatements and a glut of inventory. 

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  • Alan AsriantsBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Kevin Moyer:

    Interesting post, thanks for the insight.

    I think the reality is a lot of these Philadelphia deals "$100k under market" aren't actually under market. In fact they are still above the real 'market'. 

    Philly small multi-family has taken a huge value hit over the last few years. I have investors in my circle who bought a triplex for $550k in 2015 selling it for $430k in 2023. Especially around the Temple area. Values have just taken a nosedive due to a mix of expiring tax abatements and a glut of inventory. 


     The Temple market got hit extremely hard. 

    Duplexes are going for barely 400k in that area

    Crime, tax increases, smaller off campus student population and expiring abatements are crushing that market. 

    Staying in the outskirts (NE and Roxborough) and suburbs for the near future

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  • Stephen KennedyBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · PA, Philadelphia · Member since 2017 · 56 posts · 21 votes
    3y

    Hey there, 

    Sounds about right due to todays rates and inflated prices but recommend working with an agent who is experienced in house hacking. There are little tricks and secrets to getting around this. 

  • Investor · Member since 2022 · 235 posts · 127 votes
    3y

    Spot on. We are seeing this in the sheer decline in transaction volume and new mortgage applications. Hope we see the tide shift!

  • Alan AsriantsBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Stephen Kennedy:

    Hey there, 

    Sounds about right due to todays rates and inflated prices but recommend working with an agent who is experienced in house hacking. There are little tricks and secrets to getting around this. 


     What are ways that you are seeing to get around? Putting more down?

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  • Ryan ThomsonBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Colorado Springs, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    @Alan Asriants it is a real bummer that I FHA/Conventional house hackers in Colorado Springs can't buy a triplex or fourplex because of these rules. It would be a game changer if the rules were updated to something more attainable.

    The VA loan is still amazing for veterans and still allows 0% down for up to a fourplex.

    Most of my buyers are looking for single family house hacks, duplexes, or house/cottages now. 

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    3y

    I see the same trend with 3-4 unit properties in and around Austin. It's hard enough to find a duplex that truly has cash flow when accounting for capex and maintenance. 

  • Alan AsriantsBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Quote from @Ryan Thomson:

    @Alan Asriants it is a real bummer that I FHA/Conventional house hackers in Colorado Springs can't buy a triplex or fourplex because of these rules. It would be a game changer if the rules were updated to something more attainable.

    The VA loan is still amazing for veterans and still allows 0% down for up to a fourplex.

    Most of my buyers are looking for single family house hacks, duplexes, or house/cottages now. 


    Looks like if people want MF and want to use FHA their only real option is FHA

    VA is a golden ticket

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  • Alan AsriantsBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Zachary Ware:

    I see the same trend with 3-4 unit properties in and around Austin. It's hard enough to find a duplex that truly has cash flow when accounting for capex and maintenance. 


     My fear is not a bubble but the inability for the first time buyer to afford MF in the future at all

    If you can buy, you should.

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  • Stephen KennedyBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · PA, Philadelphia · Member since 2017 · 56 posts · 21 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Alan Asriants:
    Quote from @Stephen Kennedy:

    Hey there, 

    Sounds about right due to todays rates and inflated prices but recommend working with an agent who is experienced in house hacking. There are little tricks and secrets to getting around this. 


     What are ways that you are seeing to get around? Putting more down?


     Sent a private message. Let me know you received. 

  • Alan AsriantsBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Stephen Kennedy:
    Quote from @Alan Asriants:
    Quote from @Stephen Kennedy:

    Hey there, 

    Sounds about right due to todays rates and inflated prices but recommend working with an agent who is experienced in house hacking. There are little tricks and secrets to getting around this. 


     What are ways that you are seeing to get around? Putting more down?


     Sent a private message. Let me know you received. 


     Got it

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  • Real Estate Agent · Austin, TX · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 941 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Alan Asriants:

    As an investor agent who started with House Hacking, I also help clients who are looking to get into the Real Estate game by House Hacking.

    House hacking is an awesome strategy that lets newer investors and homeowners get started for only 3.5% down using an FHA loan

    If a client is purchasing a duplex all they need to do is qualify for the loan amount they are looking at and they can use the income from the other unit to help them qualify as well

    This is not the same case for 3-4 unit properties. 

    For 3-4 unit homes, the borrower has to qualify for the loan amount but the rent from the other units (the ones they are not living in) have to cover your PITI (principle, interest, taxes, and insurance)

    The problem now, is that almost NONE of the 3-4 unit properties qualify for this self sufficiency test

    Even properties deemed to be a "good deal" don't qualify even if the borrower can

    This is making it extremely difficult for House Hackers to scale and get into larger multi family properties

    I was even working on helping a client out for a property that was an excellent deal with top market rents and the property still didnt qualify

    There are many programs out there that are helping first time buyers, grant programs, etc. but FHA really needs to give on this self sufficiency test.

    This will only create a larger gap between investors and homebuyers

    Even at the low interest rates that my properties have (2.75-3.625%) they still wouldn't qualify with 3.5% down.

    Something needs to change. FHA buyers, at least in my market, don't have access to deals that are selling 100k under market value, in fact, no one does.

    This is true for the Greater Phila/Phila market

    And before anyone tries to tell me there are deals in philly that can pass this test, please, we are not looking in D class areas. 

    Hopefully we see a change so that more of our community can get into the game!


     You're right it's very frustrating. Duplexes and ADUs are what we recommend for our househackers!

  • Alan AsriantsBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Conner Olsen:
    Quote from @Alan Asriants:

    As an investor agent who started with House Hacking, I also help clients who are looking to get into the Real Estate game by House Hacking.

    House hacking is an awesome strategy that lets newer investors and homeowners get started for only 3.5% down using an FHA loan

    If a client is purchasing a duplex all they need to do is qualify for the loan amount they are looking at and they can use the income from the other unit to help them qualify as well

    This is not the same case for 3-4 unit properties. 

    For 3-4 unit homes, the borrower has to qualify for the loan amount but the rent from the other units (the ones they are not living in) have to cover your PITI (principle, interest, taxes, and insurance)

    The problem now, is that almost NONE of the 3-4 unit properties qualify for this self sufficiency test

    Even properties deemed to be a "good deal" don't qualify even if the borrower can

    This is making it extremely difficult for House Hackers to scale and get into larger multi family properties

    I was even working on helping a client out for a property that was an excellent deal with top market rents and the property still didnt qualify

    There are many programs out there that are helping first time buyers, grant programs, etc. but FHA really needs to give on this self sufficiency test.

    This will only create a larger gap between investors and homebuyers

    Even at the low interest rates that my properties have (2.75-3.625%) they still wouldn't qualify with 3.5% down.

    Something needs to change. FHA buyers, at least in my market, don't have access to deals that are selling 100k under market value, in fact, no one does.

    This is true for the Greater Phila/Phila market

    And before anyone tries to tell me there are deals in philly that can pass this test, please, we are not looking in D class areas. 

    Hopefully we see a change so that more of our community can get into the game!


     You're right it's very frustrating. Duplexes and ADUs are what we recommend for our househackers!


     Only way to get them into the market now!

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  • Cleveland, OH · Member since 2022 · 826 posts · 578 votes
    3y

    Alan,

    Thanks for sharing your experience. 

    This offers a lot of insight for someone who is planning their house hack. We were leaning towards the single family or duplex route because of this test already. 

    All the best! 

  • Investor · CO · Member since 2016 · 757 posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    @Alan Asriants

    Great insight. Thanks for sharing.

  • Alan AsriantsBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Benjamin Sulka:

    Alan,

    Thanks for sharing your experience. 

    This offers a lot of insight for someone who is planning their house hack. We were leaning towards the single family or duplex route because of this test already. 

    All the best! 


     Best of luck finding your next house hack!

    Sometimes you can put a little more down and that can do the trick for passing the self sufficiency test. 

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  • Cleveland, OH · Member since 2022 · 826 posts · 578 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Alan Asriants:
    Quote from @Benjamin Sulka:

    Alan,

    Thanks for sharing your experience. 

    This offers a lot of insight for someone who is planning their house hack. We were leaning towards the single family or duplex route because of this test already. 

    All the best! 


     Best of luck finding your next house hack!

    Sometimes you can put a little more down and that can do the trick for passing the self sufficiency test. 


     I appreciate it!!

  • Jake AndronicoBusiness Member
    Realtor · Reno, NV · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 938 votes
    3y

    @Alan Asriants

    Great post. 

    I usually tell clients the benefits of duplexes/renting by the room in a single family as opposed to 3-4. 

    Also, if your buyers do have a higher down payment (or your able to find it) I've seen some pretty attractive assumable FHA/VA loans in our market.

    Hopefully we do see a change with this criteria soon. 

  • Investor · Member since 2022 · 235 posts · 127 votes
    3y

    Does this apply for VA loans as well or only FHA?

  • Alan AsriantsBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Ali Nichols:

    Does this apply for VA loans as well or only FHA?

     Thats a good question. Tagging @Gaetano Ciambriello to see if it does. I think there is no test, but could be wrong 

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  • Lender · Member since 2021 · 277 posts · 150 votes
    3y

    There is no self-sufficiency rule with VA!

    You just need 6 months reserves to use rental income!

  • Investor · Member since 2022 · 235 posts · 127 votes
    3y
  • Ryan ThomsonBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Colorado Springs, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    @Alan Asriants I'm guessing you've seen that Conventional mortgages just made a game changing decision and are doing 5% loans of fourplexes!!

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  • Alan AsriantsBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    @Ryan Thomson

    Yes I saw this and immediately let everyone know. Game changer !

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  • Real Estate Agent · Foxboro, MA · Member since 2023 · 12 posts · 4 votes
    3y

    The new conventional 5% down product is ideal for house hacking.  Goodbye self sufficiency.  Just need the fed spread from market interest rates to return to its normal 1 - 1.25 points and rates would drop about a point overnight.  Too much fear in the markets still.

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