Norada Capital Management suspending payments

Norada Capital Management suspending payments

Investor · Member since 2023 · 8 posts · 31 votes

I invested in Norada Capital Management and was coming here to connect with others who have invested. Did not receive my payment from Norada this month (June) and just received the following notification in my email.

Any thoughts or recommendations from fellow investors.  Thank you in advance for any advice or insight.




Dear Valued Investor,

I hope you are well. As a lender (aka “Maker”) to Norada, you are a valued member of the Norada family.
The purpose of this correspondence is to provide you with an update on the repayment under the terms of the promissory note (“Note”) as an obligation of Norada Capital Management, LLC (“Norada”).
As with all businesses, Norada is subject to market factors that could impact its ability to make payments. Due to current market conditions and unforeseen financial challenges, we have decided to temporarily suspend distribution payments. This decision was not made lightly and comes after thorough deliberation and analysis of our current financial position.
This requires us to exercise our right to convert your Note and issue equity (aka membership interests) in Norada. You will recall that your Note allows Norada to convert the outstanding balance owed into equity and that it can redeem that equity in the future by repayment of the Note principal in full. There is nothing required by you related to your Note being converted. It happens automatically upon notice being sent.
As such, this email will provide you notice that Norada has chosen to exercise its right under the Note §6 to issue equity to you in Norada. Your equity is valued at the unpaid face value of the Note plus any accrued but unpaid interest. We expect to be in a position to redeem your interests in short order, and we will keep you posted, as always, on any developments in this regard.

We understand the importance of distributions to our investors and recognize the impact this decision may have on your financial planning. Please be assured that this suspension is temporary. We are committed to resuming regular distributions as soon as our financial situation stabilizes and improves.

Our primary goal is to ensure the long-term stability and sustainability of our business. By temporarily halting distributions, we can preserve capital, manage our resources more effectively, and invest in key areas that will drive future growth and profitability.

In the interim, we are taking strategic steps to strengthen our financial health, including cost-reduction measures, revenue-generating initiatives, and debt restructuring options. Our management team is dedicated to navigating through these challenges and emerging stronger.
We greatly appreciate your understanding and patience during this time. We remain committed to transparency and will keep you informed of any significant developments. If you have any questions or need further clarification, please feel free to contact me directly. (I will do my best to reply to your email in a timely manner.)
Thank you for your continued trust and support.
Sincerely,

Marco SantarelliFounder & CEONorada Capital Management

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Don KonipolBusiness Member
Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
2y
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Don Konipol:

@Jay Hinrichs

“this seems like a mini private mutual fund.. Marco is very successful in the selling of turn key space so this seems to be a pretty big departure for him.. But I dont know him personally at all or his background . Over the years though I have seen commissions to his firm on my huds for the clients I fund..”


maybe but seems more like a SPECULATIVE hedge fund,   Is THAT what the debt investors signed up for? 


I have no clue what they think they signed up for and as you mentioned I suspect many did not fully understand it. Just like we are seeing in the MF syndication space.. or when Peer st.. went banko  etc etc. devil was / is in the detail buried on page 46 of the offering memorandum.

Although Norada is not unique in branching out to different product since by now they have a monster client base that can easily be marketed.. I have seen different product offered by other Turnkey marketing companies as well.
I knew some of the Peer Street management.  They were tech guys who thought tech was the answer to underwriting real estate debt deals.  Apparently, they were doing ok in the residential space, but competition was making it impossible for them to meet the expectations of their venture capital backers.
So, they asked me to walk them thru a commercial deal.  I found one for them (I received the points and they provided the capital - love it!   It was an office building owned by a somewhat shaky business, but did have numerous long term roof leases for wireless providers.  We got an appraisal and I told them to lend no more than $3 million; in fact I negotiated a $3 million loan with the borrower on their behalf.  About a week later I get a call from Peer Street telling me they closed the deal, but decided to lend $5.6 million???  Further, I had negotiated 12 months interest reserve; they cut that to 3 months.  Anyway, I cashed my check for $224,000 and wished them luck.  They actually told me thank you but don’t need you anymore; we’ve “figured it out”!   
The borrower defaulted once the interest reserve ran out; Peer Street then turned around and lend the defaulting borrower AN ADDITIONAL $500k to cover 9 months interest!.  Obviously, their accounting did not require this to be reported as in default so they kept the fantasy going.  Of course once the interest reserve ran out, they now had a $6 million + defaulted note on their hand.  Unbelievably, the borrower calls me and asks me to help him talk Peer Street into accepting “equity” in his business in lieu of debt.  

Look, for those inexperienced in the investment space.  Doesn’t matter if the sponsor is the largest firm on Wall Street; doesn’t matter if the Guru is a well know TV personality; doesn’t matter if the person selling the get rich program is President of the United States or Premier of Russia; those that do not do a complete and thorough due diligence are open to losing their investment. 
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  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Christopher Stevens:

    Let me clarify. I do know the last mass communication was 9/16 and that Marco promised communication every 2 weeks. Lots of promises have been made and not delivered, but the best thing we can do is be patient and let them do their best. That’s the best chance we have at potentially recovering from this. Negative posts and lawsuits are like chopping off your nose to spite your face.

    I’ve respectfully reached out and asked for an update. Here’s what I received from his assistant, Kathy, on 10/23:

    Hi Chris- I am helping Marco go through his emails and responding as best I can. Per my recent conversations with Marco, he is working with a financial adviser and counsel on a restructuring plan to repay Norada Capital's noteholders. The process has been and continues to be very time consuming as counsel is conducting due diligence, and has requested and is assessing a substantial amount of information. He anticipates being in a position to provide a substantive update in late October or the first week of November.
    Thank you for your patience and continued support. (End of response)

    Clearly it’s past that timeframe, so I’ll reach back out again soon. Let’s keep in mind, Marco and his team are people and they’re doing their best. They are husbands, mothers, brothers, sisters, etc. They didn’t create Norada to be scammers and crooks. For well over a decade, they helped many investors grow and they had a great reputation. Let’s give them time to figure this out. That is our best chance at recovery. Send them a kind message of encouragement and gratitude. Ask them what you can do to help. If we all pitch in and provide support, even if it’s just to say a kind word to them, we have a better chance of winning!

    Best wishes and good luck to all in your investment journey.

     You sound like you're on the Norada  pay roll.

  • Rental Property Investor · Redondo Beach · Member since 2023 · 36 posts · 44 votes
    1y
    Quote from @Chris Clothier:

    I'm still not going to post at length here as there is clearly more to come out, but the past few posts are interesting to me. 

    I think one critical piece is being overlooked.  It is my opinion, that in order to get investors to look to the left while you are showing them on the right what the investment entails, you have to have a brand with a good reputation using their list to raise money.  If investors believed, as most emails I have received from this company going back to 2012 have made it appear, that this was a real estate company doing real estate business, then many investors may have simply let their guard down.  Many may not have known or understood what they were investing in.  They may have been looking left and preparing for a 12%, 15%, 17% return and never paid attention to the risks on the right.  Many were clearly caught off guard by the detail that their distribution could be halted and their investment converted to stock.  

    I would think you have to have a very specific audience to go for this type of investment and pre-existing trust is at the top of the list.  An audience that has been built over a long period of time and with a lot of faith and belief in the personality presenting is one that is most prepared to invest without question and most likely to be attracted to the high returns.  The audience is pre-disposed to believe. 


     100% correct, Chris! Well said. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Redondo Beach · Member since 2023 · 36 posts · 44 votes
    1y

    😂 I wish I was on their payroll. Then, at least I’d be getting some money monthly. No, I needed cash flow since I lost my job and invested. I invested because of their long-standing reputation. I knew the risk was high. This was a good lesson for me and I hope to recover some of my investment. If not, I’ll write it off as a loss. Win some, lose some. It’s best to channel energy towards the future and not dwell on negative things. 

    Best wishes and good luck to all! 








  • Rental Property Investor · Brooke Park Drive · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    1y

    Not sure “restructuring” is going to save investing in cryptocurrencies, “theatrical performances”, and Radio Shack. But I’ll hope for the best for you. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Redondo Beach · Member since 2023 · 36 posts · 44 votes
    1y

    Does anyone know how we can write this investment off to help reduce our tax liability? Can we obtain a special form or document to show the loss?  

    • Member since 2023 · 14 posts · 8 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Christopher Stevens:

      Does anyone know how we can write this investment off to help reduce our tax liability? Can we obtain a special form or document to show the loss?  


      Look into IRS Safe Harbor option. There are two that I am aware of. A 5% rule and. 75% rule. Does not apply to IRA investments as far as I know.

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Christopher Stevens:

    Does anyone know how we can write this investment off to help reduce our tax liability? Can we obtain a special form or document to show the loss?  

     Have you never filed taxes before? Your profile has several investments on it so theoretically you should be generally aware that business income and expenses are accounted for on your taxes even if you have a CPA do them and don't pay much attention to the details.......

    I'm really thinking that that you are a Norada paid plant. Or I am thinking you might actually be a Marco ran burner account trying to change public sentiment and trying to get everyone to move on from suing him (you, Marco on your burner) lol.

  • Member since 2024 · 162 posts · 232 votes
    1y

    Copium2024 appears to still be the most plentiful element on the periodic table, and also on this thread, Remember Norada Capital Management invested the investor's note money into an obvious scam company run by a documented scammer, which filed for bankruptcy almost two years ago. It has a half a dozen lawsuits against it. Either Marco knowingly did this and was complicit or he unknowingly did this and was moronic. Any other interpretation is pure Copium2024 :)

    The investors don't need "communication", they need an apology, an admission of what he did, and their money back. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Christopher Stevens:
    Quote from @Chris Clothier:

    I'm still not going to post at length here as there is clearly more to come out, but the past few posts are interesting to me. 

    I think one critical piece is being overlooked.  It is my opinion, that in order to get investors to look to the left while you are showing them on the right what the investment entails, you have to have a brand with a good reputation using their list to raise money.  If investors believed, as most emails I have received from this company going back to 2012 have made it appear, that this was a real estate company doing real estate business, then many investors may have simply let their guard down.  Many may not have known or understood what they were investing in.  They may have been looking left and preparing for a 12%, 15%, 17% return and never paid attention to the risks on the right.  Many were clearly caught off guard by the detail that their distribution could be halted and their investment converted to stock.  

    I would think you have to have a very specific audience to go for this type of investment and pre-existing trust is at the top of the list.  An audience that has been built over a long period of time and with a lot of faith and belief in the personality presenting is one that is most prepared to invest without question and most likely to be attracted to the high returns.  The audience is pre-disposed to believe. 


     100% correct, Chris! Well said. 


    Chris this also reminds me of the first real estate crowd funders like Realty Shares that imploded spectacularly.. A tad different with them but there was so much hype that they would put an investment up and literally fill it in 1 hour.. no way anyone did DD on them or the deal.. it was massive FOMO and whatever trust they had built. So like you said I think folks Jut basically trusted the Sponsor and for whatever reason did not realize the risk in unsecured Notes..
  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Christopher Stevens:
    Quote from @Chris Clothier:

    I'm still not going to post at length here as there is clearly more to come out, but the past few posts are interesting to me. 

    I think one critical piece is being overlooked.  It is my opinion, that in order to get investors to look to the left while you are showing them on the right what the investment entails, you have to have a brand with a good reputation using their list to raise money.  If investors believed, as most emails I have received from this company going back to 2012 have made it appear, that this was a real estate company doing real estate business, then many investors may have simply let their guard down.  Many may not have known or understood what they were investing in.  They may have been looking left and preparing for a 12%, 15%, 17% return and never paid attention to the risks on the right.  Many were clearly caught off guard by the detail that their distribution could be halted and their investment converted to stock.  

    I would think you have to have a very specific audience to go for this type of investment and pre-existing trust is at the top of the list.  An audience that has been built over a long period of time and with a lot of faith and belief in the personality presenting is one that is most prepared to invest without question and most likely to be attracted to the high returns.  The audience is pre-disposed to believe. 


     100% correct, Chris! Well said. 


    Chris this also reminds me of the first real estate crowd funders like Realty Shares that imploded spectacularly.. A tad different with them but there was so much hype that they would put an investment up and literally fill it in 1 hour.. no way anyone did DD on them or the deal.. it was massive FOMO and whatever trust they had built. So like you said I think folks Jut basically trusted the Sponsor and for whatever reason did not realize the risk in unsecured Notes..

    The trust one can build up over the years on platforms like BP, Youtube and others is insane. As an example, and I have had it happen multiple times; we put a property under contract with a new investor and when we send them the wiring instructions for the EMD to be held in HoltonWise's trust account, they get so excited they (unprompted) just go ahead and wire in the full $100k or so purchase price amount instead of the $1k or $2k EMD. Then I need to go back and explain the escrow process and how they should never send that money to a seller and it should only go to a title company etc etc....

    So you take a cat like Marco who's been around every day for a long long time, it's not surprising people would blindly buy whatever he was selling. Same thing with Clayton Morris and any other well known operator really.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @James Wise:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Christopher Stevens:
    Quote from @Chris Clothier:

    I'm still not going to post at length here as there is clearly more to come out, but the past few posts are interesting to me. 

    I think one critical piece is being overlooked.  It is my opinion, that in order to get investors to look to the left while you are showing them on the right what the investment entails, you have to have a brand with a good reputation using their list to raise money.  If investors believed, as most emails I have received from this company going back to 2012 have made it appear, that this was a real estate company doing real estate business, then many investors may have simply let their guard down.  Many may not have known or understood what they were investing in.  They may have been looking left and preparing for a 12%, 15%, 17% return and never paid attention to the risks on the right.  Many were clearly caught off guard by the detail that their distribution could be halted and their investment converted to stock.  

    I would think you have to have a very specific audience to go for this type of investment and pre-existing trust is at the top of the list.  An audience that has been built over a long period of time and with a lot of faith and belief in the personality presenting is one that is most prepared to invest without question and most likely to be attracted to the high returns.  The audience is pre-disposed to believe. 


     100% correct, Chris! Well said. 


    Chris this also reminds me of the first real estate crowd funders like Realty Shares that imploded spectacularly.. A tad different with them but there was so much hype that they would put an investment up and literally fill it in 1 hour.. no way anyone did DD on them or the deal.. it was massive FOMO and whatever trust they had built. So like you said I think folks Jut basically trusted the Sponsor and for whatever reason did not realize the risk in unsecured Notes..

    The trust one can build up over the years on platforms like BP, Youtube and others is insane. As an example, and I have had it happen multiple times; we put a property under contract with a new investor and when we send them the wiring instructions for the EMD to be held in HoltonWise's trust account, they get so excited they (unprompted) just go ahead and wire in the full $100k or so purchase price amount instead of the $1k or $2k EMD. Then I need to go back and explain the escrow process and how they should never send that money to a seller and it should only go to a title company etc etc....

    So you take a cat like Marco who's been around every day for a long long time, it's not surprising people would blindly buy whatever he was selling. Same thing with Clayton Morris and any other well known operator really.


    YUP buyers  can be quite gullible and simply not understand the RE and escrow process.
    I funded a operator over in Philly.. And he was getting foreign investors to wire him 100% of the purchase prices direct to him.. Created false settlement statements ( criminal of course) so these folks thought they owned the property when in fact I owned them.  Much like MOrris guy having all recorded docs sent to his office so the buyers had no clue of all the liens etc ..  As you can imagine his rob peter to pay paul imploded on him just as spectacular as Morris.. He just did not have the same SM presence.. But there were big articles in teh Phily paper and Baltimore sun.
  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @James Wise:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Christopher Stevens:
    Quote from @Chris Clothier:

    I'm still not going to post at length here as there is clearly more to come out, but the past few posts are interesting to me. 

    I think one critical piece is being overlooked.  It is my opinion, that in order to get investors to look to the left while you are showing them on the right what the investment entails, you have to have a brand with a good reputation using their list to raise money.  If investors believed, as most emails I have received from this company going back to 2012 have made it appear, that this was a real estate company doing real estate business, then many investors may have simply let their guard down.  Many may not have known or understood what they were investing in.  They may have been looking left and preparing for a 12%, 15%, 17% return and never paid attention to the risks on the right.  Many were clearly caught off guard by the detail that their distribution could be halted and their investment converted to stock.  

    I would think you have to have a very specific audience to go for this type of investment and pre-existing trust is at the top of the list.  An audience that has been built over a long period of time and with a lot of faith and belief in the personality presenting is one that is most prepared to invest without question and most likely to be attracted to the high returns.  The audience is pre-disposed to believe. 


     100% correct, Chris! Well said. 


    Chris this also reminds me of the first real estate crowd funders like Realty Shares that imploded spectacularly.. A tad different with them but there was so much hype that they would put an investment up and literally fill it in 1 hour.. no way anyone did DD on them or the deal.. it was massive FOMO and whatever trust they had built. So like you said I think folks Jut basically trusted the Sponsor and for whatever reason did not realize the risk in unsecured Notes..

    The trust one can build up over the years on platforms like BP, Youtube and others is insane. As an example, and I have had it happen multiple times; we put a property under contract with a new investor and when we send them the wiring instructions for the EMD to be held in HoltonWise's trust account, they get so excited they (unprompted) just go ahead and wire in the full $100k or so purchase price amount instead of the $1k or $2k EMD. Then I need to go back and explain the escrow process and how they should never send that money to a seller and it should only go to a title company etc etc....

    So you take a cat like Marco who's been around every day for a long long time, it's not surprising people would blindly buy whatever he was selling. Same thing with Clayton Morris and any other well known operator really.


    YUP buyers  can be quite gullible and simply not understand the RE and escrow process.
    I funded a operator over in Philly.. And he was getting foreign investors to wire him 100% of the purchase prices direct to him.. Created false settlement statements ( criminal of course) so these folks thought they owned the property when in fact I owned them.  Much like MOrris guy having all recorded docs sent to his office so the buyers had no clue of all the liens etc ..  As you can imagine his rob peter to pay paul imploded on him just as spectacular as Morris.. He just did not have the same SM presence.. But there were big articles in teh Phily paper and Baltimore sun.

     Brutal. What happened to all of the properties, the perp, and the investors?

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @James Wise:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @James Wise:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Christopher Stevens:
    Quote from @Chris Clothier:

    I'm still not going to post at length here as there is clearly more to come out, but the past few posts are interesting to me. 

    I think one critical piece is being overlooked.  It is my opinion, that in order to get investors to look to the left while you are showing them on the right what the investment entails, you have to have a brand with a good reputation using their list to raise money.  If investors believed, as most emails I have received from this company going back to 2012 have made it appear, that this was a real estate company doing real estate business, then many investors may have simply let their guard down.  Many may not have known or understood what they were investing in.  They may have been looking left and preparing for a 12%, 15%, 17% return and never paid attention to the risks on the right.  Many were clearly caught off guard by the detail that their distribution could be halted and their investment converted to stock.  

    I would think you have to have a very specific audience to go for this type of investment and pre-existing trust is at the top of the list.  An audience that has been built over a long period of time and with a lot of faith and belief in the personality presenting is one that is most prepared to invest without question and most likely to be attracted to the high returns.  The audience is pre-disposed to believe. 


     100% correct, Chris! Well said. 


    Chris this also reminds me of the first real estate crowd funders like Realty Shares that imploded spectacularly.. A tad different with them but there was so much hype that they would put an investment up and literally fill it in 1 hour.. no way anyone did DD on them or the deal.. it was massive FOMO and whatever trust they had built. So like you said I think folks Jut basically trusted the Sponsor and for whatever reason did not realize the risk in unsecured Notes..

    The trust one can build up over the years on platforms like BP, Youtube and others is insane. As an example, and I have had it happen multiple times; we put a property under contract with a new investor and when we send them the wiring instructions for the EMD to be held in HoltonWise's trust account, they get so excited they (unprompted) just go ahead and wire in the full $100k or so purchase price amount instead of the $1k or $2k EMD. Then I need to go back and explain the escrow process and how they should never send that money to a seller and it should only go to a title company etc etc....

    So you take a cat like Marco who's been around every day for a long long time, it's not surprising people would blindly buy whatever he was selling. Same thing with Clayton Morris and any other well known operator really.


    YUP buyers  can be quite gullible and simply not understand the RE and escrow process.
    I funded a operator over in Philly.. And he was getting foreign investors to wire him 100% of the purchase prices direct to him.. Created false settlement statements ( criminal of course) so these folks thought they owned the property when in fact I owned them.  Much like MOrris guy having all recorded docs sent to his office so the buyers had no clue of all the liens etc ..  As you can imagine his rob peter to pay paul imploded on him just as spectacular as Morris.. He just did not have the same SM presence.. But there were big articles in teh Phily paper and Baltimore sun.

     Brutal. What happened to all of the properties, the perp, and the investors?


    since mine were all in my name  I did about 50 of them.. most got sold and we made our profit and about 10 were in conflict.. but again since they were mine I just sold them and moved on.  Perp has been indicted and investors got hosed like most investors do when things go bad or were Caught in a rob peter to pay paul scenario .  Hit me off line if you want the name then you can google the two papers and read the articles.
  • Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 734 votes
    1y
    Quote from @James Wise:
    Quote from @Christopher Stevens:

    Does anyone know how we can write this investment off to help reduce our tax liability? Can we obtain a special form or document to show the loss?  

     Have you never filed taxes before? Your profile has several investments on it so theoretically you should be generally aware that business income and expenses are accounted for on your taxes even if you have a CPA do them and don't pay much attention to the details.......

    I'm really thinking that that you are a Norada paid plant. Or I am thinking you might actually be a Marco ran burner account trying to change public sentiment and trying to get everyone to move on from suing him (you, Marco on your burner) lol.


     James you are just as Wise as your name! I always appreciate your input. I think even Coach Prime would agree with you. 

  • Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 734 votes
    1y
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @James Wise:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Christopher Stevens:
    Quote from @Chris Clothier:

    I'm still not going to post at length here as there is clearly more to come out, but the past few posts are interesting to me. 

    I think one critical piece is being overlooked.  It is my opinion, that in order to get investors to look to the left while you are showing them on the right what the investment entails, you have to have a brand with a good reputation using their list to raise money.  If investors believed, as most emails I have received from this company going back to 2012 have made it appear, that this was a real estate company doing real estate business, then many investors may have simply let their guard down.  Many may not have known or understood what they were investing in.  They may have been looking left and preparing for a 12%, 15%, 17% return and never paid attention to the risks on the right.  Many were clearly caught off guard by the detail that their distribution could be halted and their investment converted to stock.  

    I would think you have to have a very specific audience to go for this type of investment and pre-existing trust is at the top of the list.  An audience that has been built over a long period of time and with a lot of faith and belief in the personality presenting is one that is most prepared to invest without question and most likely to be attracted to the high returns.  The audience is pre-disposed to believe. 


     100% correct, Chris! Well said. 


    Chris this also reminds me of the first real estate crowd funders like Realty Shares that imploded spectacularly.. A tad different with them but there was so much hype that they would put an investment up and literally fill it in 1 hour.. no way anyone did DD on them or the deal.. it was massive FOMO and whatever trust they had built. So like you said I think folks Jut basically trusted the Sponsor and for whatever reason did not realize the risk in unsecured Notes..

    The trust one can build up over the years on platforms like BP, Youtube and others is insane. As an example, and I have had it happen multiple times; we put a property under contract with a new investor and when we send them the wiring instructions for the EMD to be held in HoltonWise's trust account, they get so excited they (unprompted) just go ahead and wire in the full $100k or so purchase price amount instead of the $1k or $2k EMD. Then I need to go back and explain the escrow process and how they should never send that money to a seller and it should only go to a title company etc etc....

    So you take a cat like Marco who's been around every day for a long long time, it's not surprising people would blindly buy whatever he was selling. Same thing with Clayton Morris and any other well known operator really.


    YUP buyers  can be quite gullible and simply not understand the RE and escrow process.
    I funded a operator over in Philly.. And he was getting foreign investors to wire him 100% of the purchase prices direct to him.. Created false settlement statements ( criminal of course) so these folks thought they owned the property when in fact I owned them.  Much like MOrris guy having all recorded docs sent to his office so the buyers had no clue of all the liens etc ..  As you can imagine his rob peter to pay paul imploded on him just as spectacular as Morris.. He just did not have the same SM presence.. But there were big articles in teh Phily paper and Baltimore sun.

     Bernie Madoff and Sam Bankman-Friend would be proud. 

  • Engelo RumoraBusiness Member
    Investor · Toledo, OH · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Christopher Stevens:

    😂 I wish I was on their payroll. Then, at least I’d be getting some money monthly. No, I needed cash flow since I lost my job and invested. I invested because of their long-standing reputation. I knew the risk was high. This was a good lesson for me and I hope to recover some of my investment. If not, I’ll write it off as a loss. Win some, lose some. It’s best to channel energy towards the future and not dwell on negative things. 

    Best wishes and good luck to all! 










    I like your attitude mate.

    Win some, loose some.

    We live and we learn and we grow and hopefully get better.

    Such is life and wishing you and everyone else much success
  • Investor · Member since 2023 · 8 posts · 31 votes
    1y

    Here is an update with Marco Santarelli from Norada.  Back in June 2024 Marco Santarelli  said he converted investors notes to equity in Norada.    Marco has failed to inform members as to what our money is invested in, a financial report, a monthely statement or to inform investors what is the precentage of each person's membership or interest in Norada.   It has been 6 months and the only thing we have received are emails from Marco saying we will receive information in a couple of months.  DO NOT do business with Marco as he does NOT have any integrity.  Any suggestions on how to get our money back or response from Marco are appreciated. 

    • Member since 2024 · 4 posts · 2 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Paula Impala:

      Here is an update with Marco Santarelli from Norada.  Back in June 2024 Marco Santarelli  said he converted investors notes to equity in Norada.    Marco has failed to inform members as to what our money is invested in, a financial report, a monthely statement or to inform investors what is the precentage of each person's membership or interest in Norada.   It has been 6 months and the only thing we have received are emails from Marco saying we will receive information in a couple of months.  DO NOT do business with Marco as he does NOT have any integrity.  Any suggestions on how to get our money back or response from Marco are appreciated. 

       Does anyone have an update on Norada Capital investment status? I have reached out to Marco on couple of ocassions with no response; he seems to be MIA. I too lost money with my investment in promissory note.

    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
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      Quote from @Hector Vidal:
      Quote from @Paula Impala:

      Here is an update with Marco Santarelli from Norada.  Back in June 2024 Marco Santarelli  said he converted investors notes to equity in Norada.    Marco has failed to inform members as to what our money is invested in, a financial report, a monthely statement or to inform investors what is the precentage of each person's membership or interest in Norada.   It has been 6 months and the only thing we have received are emails from Marco saying we will receive information in a couple of months.  DO NOT do business with Marco as he does NOT have any integrity.  Any suggestions on how to get our money back or response from Marco are appreciated. 

       Does anyone have an update on Norada Capital investment status? I have reached out to Marco on couple of ocassions with no response; he seems to be MIA. I too lost money with my investment in promissory note.


       Homey, read the room, it don't look like you're getting your money back. He gone.

    • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
      Moderator
      Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Hector Vidal:
      Quote from @Paula Impala:

      Here is an update with Marco Santarelli from Norada.  Back in June 2024 Marco Santarelli  said he converted investors notes to equity in Norada.    Marco has failed to inform members as to what our money is invested in, a financial report, a monthely statement or to inform investors what is the precentage of each person's membership or interest in Norada.   It has been 6 months and the only thing we have received are emails from Marco saying we will receive information in a couple of months.  DO NOT do business with Marco as he does NOT have any integrity.  Any suggestions on how to get our money back or response from Marco are appreciated. 

       Does anyone have an update on Norada Capital investment status? I have reached out to Marco on couple of ocassions with no response; he seems to be MIA. I too lost money with my investment in promissory note.


       I heard there is a facebook group of investors who have invested. Did you join that?

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  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
    Moderator
    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Paula Impala:

    Here is an update with Marco Santarelli from Norada.  Back in June 2024 Marco Santarelli  said he converted investors notes to equity in Norada.    Marco has failed to inform members as to what our money is invested in, a financial report, a monthely statement or to inform investors what is the precentage of each person's membership or interest in Norada.   It has been 6 months and the only thing we have received are emails from Marco saying we will receive information in a couple of months.  DO NOT do business with Marco as he does NOT have any integrity.  Any suggestions on how to get our money back or response from Marco are appreciated. 


     Paula,

    If you are an investor then you may want to reach out to some of the others who posted on here and find out what they are doing and how they are interacting and what they are doing. I am sure there are a lot of moving parts behind the scenes that investors are doing. 

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  • Member since 2020 · 671 posts · 937 votes
    1y

    @James Wise

    I probably shouldn't laugh at that, but ya got me with that one.

    • Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 734 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Chris John:

      @James Wise

      I probably shouldn't laugh at that, but ya got me with that one.


       James The Wise Wise 

  • Don KonipolBusiness Member
    Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    1y

    Having been syndicating real estate deals for 40 years,  (and investing as a passive investor - limited partner - non managing member - in other peoples syndications) I I used to think that the sponsor/syndicator was equally important as the subject property.  

    After reading thru this thread, I now believe that vetting the sponsor is much more important than the property! 

    Private Mortgage Financing Partners, LLC
  • Investor · Member since 2023 · 8 posts · 31 votes
    1y

    Marco Santarelli had Amanda Holbrook from Magnifyyourwealth on his podcast
    'Norada Real Estate Investments' on May 27th.  Marco has multiple legal avenues charging Marco with financial fraud and stealing investors money.  His track record is by no means clean with him filing for bankruptcy.  I would NOT invest with anyone associated with Marco Santarelli.  There is a reason he does not allow comments on his podcast posts.  It amazes me how many people invest there time and money and do no due diligence.

  • Investor · Member since 2023 · 8 posts · 31 votes
    1y

    Melissa Nash and Aaron Chapman welcomed Richard Duncan on Marco Santarelli's podcast 
    'Norada Real Estate Investments' which is owned by Marco Santarelli.  Marco has multiple legal avenues charging Marco with financial fraud and stealing investors money. His track record is by no means clean with him filing for bankruptcy.  Richard Duncan should have done his due diligence before associating with fraudster Marco Santarelli.  I would bet money that Duncan has never invested with Marco.





  • Investor · Member since 2023 · 8 posts · 31 votes
    1y

    Aaron Chapman was on Marco Santarelli's podcast 'Norada Real Estate Investments' which is owned by Marco Santarelli.  Marco owned Norada Capital Management and stole investors money and is currently being investigated by the Federal Government.  I guarantee Aaron has never done business with the fraudster Marco Santarelli.  Aaron needs to do his due diligence before appearing on a show with a thief.  I would not trust anyone associated with Norada or Marco Santarelli.

    • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
      Moderator
      Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Paula Impala:

      Aaron Chapman was on Marco Santarelli's podcast 'Norada Real Estate Investments' which is owned by Marco Santarelli.  Marco owned Norada Capital Management and stole investors money and is currently being investigated by the Federal Government.  I guarantee Aaron has never done business with the fraudster Marco Santarelli.  Aaron needs to do his due diligence before appearing on a show with a thief.  I would not trust anyone associated with Norada or Marco Santarelli.


       Most people who go on podcasts just do not know, I learned the hard way on this as well (not with marco) but requested episodes be removed. I also host a podcast and had people on who have since gotten their name thrown in the mud. I typically take it with a grain of salt as going on someones podcast does not affiliate you with them, it may look bad but I do not hold it typically against people.

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  • Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    @Paula Impala, while I certainly understand the connection you are trying to make, I tend not to think of podcasts as having this relationship.  Podcasts are by nature, typically mutually promotional.  Guests get a platform that will hopefully gain them visibility and hosts hopefully are able to tap into the guests platform to grow their own reach.  

    Therefore, while it would be nice to for people to NOT appear on the shows of unscrupulous people and give them additional credibility and reach, in reality, the guests are many times approached by the podcaster to attend, and they view it as free marketing.

    Additionally, many podcasts I have been a guest on have taken 2-3 months from filming to release.  Then, potentially, the podcaster recycles the content and republishes.  Therefore, it is entirely possible, but I certainly don't know with any certainty, that the names you mention were guests prior to any nefarious acts being committed.

  • Member since 2022 · 5 posts · 5 votes
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    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      1y
    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Trista Yerkich:

       Marco facing 20 years? Lol hot damn.


      If found guilty depending on how much he squirreled away for the best criminal defense I bet its more like 5 to 7 years and out in 3 or less.. thats my prediction. Now if he did not set 500k or more aside for Criminal lawyer that could change things.
    • Member since 2022 · 5 posts · 5 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Trista Yerkich:

       Marco facing 20 years? Lol hot damn.


      If found guilty depending on how much he squirreled away for the best criminal defense I bet its more like 5 to 7 years and out in 3 or less.. thats my prediction. Now if he did not set 500k or more aside for Criminal lawyer that could change things.
      My understanding is he’ll be pleading guilty to avoid other charges. Obviously that’s not been formally confirmed. 
    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Trista Yerkich:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Trista Yerkich:

       Marco facing 20 years? Lol hot damn.


      If found guilty depending on how much he squirreled away for the best criminal defense I bet its more like 5 to 7 years and out in 3 or less.. thats my prediction. Now if he did not set 500k or more aside for Criminal lawyer that could change things.
      My understanding is he’ll be pleading guilty to avoid other charges. Obviously that’s not been formally confirmed. 

       What other charges?

    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Trista Yerkich:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Trista Yerkich:

       Marco facing 20 years? Lol hot damn.


      If found guilty depending on how much he squirreled away for the best criminal defense I bet its more like 5 to 7 years and out in 3 or less.. thats my prediction. Now if he did not set 500k or more aside for Criminal lawyer that could change things.
      My understanding is he’ll be pleading guilty to avoid other charges. Obviously that’s not been formally confirmed. 

       What other charges?


       Is Marco still letting people convert their unpaid notes into Norada stock? If he is ya'll better convert those stock options into Ramen Noodles so you can trade them to him while he's in the pen. I hear those Ramen's go for big $$$ in the clink.

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Trista Yerkich:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Trista Yerkich:

       Marco facing 20 years? Lol hot damn.


      If found guilty depending on how much he squirreled away for the best criminal defense I bet its more like 5 to 7 years and out in 3 or less.. thats my prediction. Now if he did not set 500k or more aside for Criminal lawyer that could change things.
      My understanding is he’ll be pleading guilty to avoid other charges. Obviously that’s not been formally confirmed. 

       What other charges?


       Is Marco still letting people convert their unpaid notes into Norada stock? If he is ya'll better convert those stock options into Ramen Noodles so you can trade them to him while he's in the pen. I hear those Ramen's go for big $$$ in the clink.


      Well the one gentlemen that did all the due diligence and was very vocal about this being a ponzi.. He did a nice job with his due diligence just got it out of order.. better to do that before you invest then after the fact.. Granted you take the guy down so others cant be harmed but still going to be little if any real recovery for everyone.. 
    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Trista Yerkich:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Trista Yerkich:

       Marco facing 20 years? Lol hot damn.


      If found guilty depending on how much he squirreled away for the best criminal defense I bet its more like 5 to 7 years and out in 3 or less.. thats my prediction. Now if he did not set 500k or more aside for Criminal lawyer that could change things.
      My understanding is he’ll be pleading guilty to avoid other charges. Obviously that’s not been formally confirmed. 

       What other charges?


       Is Marco still letting people convert their unpaid notes into Norada stock? If he is ya'll better convert those stock options into Ramen Noodles so you can trade them to him while he's in the pen. I hear those Ramen's go for big $$$ in the clink.


      Well the one gentlemen that did all the due diligence and was very vocal about this being a ponzi.. He did a nice job with his due diligence just got it out of order.. better to do that before you invest then after the fact.. Granted you take the guy down so others cant be harmed but still going to be little if any real recovery for everyone.. 

       The investors just gotta be smart with their next moves. For example, if one is savvy they could most likely trade Marco 4 packs of Ramen for 3 cups of toilet wine. That's a W any way you slice it.

    • lebanon, TN · Member since 2019 · 21 posts · 8 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Trista Yerkich:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Trista Yerkich:

       Marco facing 20 years? Lol hot damn.


      If found guilty depending on how much he squirreled away for the best criminal defense I bet its more like 5 to 7 years and out in 3 or less.. thats my prediction. Now if he did not set 500k or more aside for Criminal lawyer that could change things.
      My understanding is he’ll be pleading guilty to avoid other charges. Obviously that’s not been formally confirmed. 

       What other charges?


       Is Marco still letting people convert their unpaid notes into Norada stock? If he is ya'll better convert those stock options into Ramen Noodles so you can trade them to him while he's in the pen. I hear those Ramen's go for big $$$ in the clink.


      Well the one gentlemen that did all the due diligence and was very vocal about this being a ponzi.. He did a nice job with his due diligence just got it out of order.. better to do that before you invest then after the fact.. Granted you take the guy down so others cant be harmed but still going to be little if any real recovery for everyone.. 

       Not only did Marco have positive reviews in several review sites, but he still has positive reviews! 

    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Dewayne C.:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Trista Yerkich:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Trista Yerkich:

       Marco facing 20 years? Lol hot damn.


      If found guilty depending on how much he squirreled away for the best criminal defense I bet its more like 5 to 7 years and out in 3 or less.. thats my prediction. Now if he did not set 500k or more aside for Criminal lawyer that could change things.
      My understanding is he’ll be pleading guilty to avoid other charges. Obviously that’s not been formally confirmed. 

       What other charges?


       Is Marco still letting people convert their unpaid notes into Norada stock? If he is ya'll better convert those stock options into Ramen Noodles so you can trade them to him while he's in the pen. I hear those Ramen's go for big $$$ in the clink.


      Well the one gentlemen that did all the due diligence and was very vocal about this being a ponzi.. He did a nice job with his due diligence just got it out of order.. better to do that before you invest then after the fact.. Granted you take the guy down so others cant be harmed but still going to be little if any real recovery for everyone.. 

       Not only did Marco have positive reviews in several review sites, but he still has positive reviews! 


      I imagine the fellow inmates will be giving him 5 star yelp reviews for his artisanal toilet wine for years to come.

  • Member since 2024 · 162 posts · 232 votes
    1y

    Norada Capital 23% promissory notes ending up as just an honest business failure was about as likely as a chronically depressed Leming surviving the annual ocean crossing.

    Not too optimistic about the current DOJ aggressively prosecuting so he may only get probation and some community service where he has to help the elderly with their retirement finances. :) what could go wrong.

    please people, If any investment offers high returns aka >3x the 10yr yield, and says low risk, then it's always a scam and run away as fast as a Leming

    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Paul Azad:

      Norada Capital 23% promissory notes ending up as just an honest business failure was about as likely as a chronically depressed Leming surviving the annual ocean crossing.

      Not too optimistic about the current DOJ aggressively prosecuting so he may only get probation and some community service where he has to help the elderly with their retirement finances. :) what could go wrong.

      please people, If any investment offers high returns aka >3x the 10yr yield, and says low risk, then it's always a scam and run away as fast as a Leming


       Na he's gonna do time. See the WARNING: Matt Motil of Cleveland, OH thread. Motil only stole like $12 Million or something and he got almost 6 years. What'd they say Marco stole, like $62 Million? He's going away for sure.

    • lebanon, TN · Member since 2019 · 21 posts · 8 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Paul Azad:

      Norada Capital 23% promissory notes ending up as just an honest business failure was about as likely as a chronically depressed Leming surviving the annual ocean crossing.

      Not too optimistic about the current DOJ aggressively prosecuting so he may only get probation and some community service where he has to help the elderly with their retirement finances. :) what could go wrong.

      please people, If any investment offers high returns aka >3x the 10yr yield, and says low risk, then it's always a scam and run away as fast as a Leming


       It wasn't 23%. 15%. And there are several private entities that do offer this percentage of return. Some higher. But scammers are getting so good at it, it's hard to tell which is honest and which is a criminal. In some of the review sites, he is still getting positive reviews! And he was doing business right up till he was served! I now just go to my financial advisor. At least it will be on him if he gets scammed. 

    • Member since 2024 · 162 posts · 232 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Dewayne C.:
      Quote from @Paul Azad:

      Norada Capital 23% promissory notes ending up as just an honest business failure was about as likely as a chronically depressed Leming surviving the annual ocean crossing.

      Not too optimistic about the current DOJ aggressively prosecuting so he may only get probation and some community service where he has to help the elderly with their retirement finances. :) what could go wrong.

      please people, If any investment offers high returns aka >3x the 10yr yield, and says low risk, then it's always a scam and run away as fast as a Leming


       It wasn't 23%. 15%. And there are several private entities that do offer this percentage of return. Some higher. But scammers are getting so good at it, it's hard to tell which is honest and which is a criminal. In some of the review sites, he is still getting positive reviews! And he was doing business right up till he was served! I now just go to my financial advisor. At least it will be on him if he gets scammed. 


       sorry, been a while since I thought about this old scam. I posted the below more than a year ago about this.

      "I doubt that the vast majority of the investors in Norada Capital Management's unsecured promissory notes were intending to invest in an illegal Ponzi scheme. But that is precisely what the company appears to be, or to be more precise, a feeder fund to the larger Ponzi scheme, which was Retail E commerce Ventures run by Tai Lopez and Alex Mehr, who, if you go to Norada Capital Management's website this very moment under team, is still listed as the number two advisor underneath Marco Santarelli. Mr. Alex Mehr, the owner and cofounder of REV which bilked investors out of $270,000,000 just a year and a half ago and discontinued distributions in November of 2022 and is now under SEC investigation and multiple lawsuits, and was paying 25% promissory notes with a business plan of online retail from a dozen bankrupt old brands despite having little to nothing listed for sale on the websites (the same dozen listed in same order on Norada site) to Norada Capital Management which then paid out 12 to 16% promissory notes to the unsuspecting investors here on BP above and in other threads. REV made 150mil in 2021, 60 mil in 2022, but lost 60mil in 2022 in expenses and had 200mil in debt before folding in 11/22. (it was never a legit business nor any intention of being one, think AMWAY/Herbalife) Norada still fundraising this minute on website and Marco pitching his promissory notes just 4 weeks ago on a webinar saying only 75% E-commerce, but the growth is in Off Broadway musicals....WTF!!!. All Ponzis keep running until they run out of investor inflows, never before.

      It is not whining for BP members to complain about a complete loss of capital and a former BP Darling Marco the turn-key real estate expert from going RadioShack-silent for a month. It is the least they can do to warn other potential investors who Marco is literally still apparently preying upon this very moment.

      Or maybe I'm way off base and the modern day Einsteins of Marco/Alex, and Tai were going to defeat low-cost on-line shops like Amazon/Wal-Mart and TEMU. Remember, those dozen bankrupt companies had already failed online once, hence they went bankrupt already. Their intentions seem clear ad Incipio."

      be careful with "Financial Advisors", as they have no real fiduciary responsibility, only one to put you into "risk appropriate" investments which is a Loophole big enough to steer an aircraft carrier through.

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Dewayne C.:
      Quote from @Paul Azad:

      Norada Capital 23% promissory notes ending up as just an honest business failure was about as likely as a chronically depressed Leming surviving the annual ocean crossing.

      Not too optimistic about the current DOJ aggressively prosecuting so he may only get probation and some community service where he has to help the elderly with their retirement finances. :) what could go wrong.

      please people, If any investment offers high returns aka >3x the 10yr yield, and says low risk, then it's always a scam and run away as fast as a Leming


       It wasn't 23%. 15%. And there are several private entities that do offer this percentage of return. Some higher. But scammers are getting so good at it, it's hard to tell which is honest and which is a criminal. In some of the review sites, he is still getting positive reviews! And he was doing business right up till he was served! I now just go to my financial advisor. At least it will be on him if he gets scammed. 


      Just curious why would anyone take on line reviews seriously for an investment in a NOte or RE deal ??  to me these can be totally manipulated.  The only reference I give to folks that do deals with me is from my Commercial Banker on his letter head and with his personal phone number.  Now granted there have been scummy bankers but I find with mine he is only going to tell the truth as he see's it working with me for 3 decades .. reviewing my tax returns and financials annually and watching my bank accounts daily :)  I just never got the yelp type reveiws for RE or money investments or why anyone would rely on them. ??
    • Don KonipolBusiness Member
      Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Dewayne C.:
      Quote from @Paul Azad:

      Norada Capital 23% promissory notes ending up as just an honest business failure was about as likely as a chronically depressed Leming surviving the annual ocean crossing.

      Not too optimistic about the current DOJ aggressively prosecuting so he may only get probation and some community service where he has to help the elderly with their retirement finances. :) what could go wrong.

      please people, If any investment offers high returns aka >3x the 10yr yield, and says low risk, then it's always a scam and run away as fast as a Leming


       It wasn't 23%. 15%. And there are several private entities that do offer this percentage of return. Some higher. But scammers are getting so good at it, it's hard to tell which is honest and which is a criminal. In some of the review sites, he is still getting positive reviews! And he was doing business right up till he was served! I now just go to my financial advisor. At least it will be on him if he gets scammed. 


      Just curious why would anyone take on line reviews seriously for an investment in a NOte or RE deal ??  to me these can be totally manipulated.  The only reference I give to folks that do deals with me is from my Commercial Banker on his letter head and with his personal phone number.  Now granted there have been scummy bankers but I find with mine he is only going to tell the truth as he see's it working with me for 3 decades .. reviewing my tax returns and financials annually and watching my bank accounts daily :)  I just never got the yelp type reveiws for RE or money investments or why anyone would rely on them. ??
      We teach the wrong subjects in school.  Leaves students totally unprepared for anything to do with business or finance. 
      Private Mortgage Financing Partners, LLC
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