Questions for Experienced BRRRR people

Questions for Experienced BRRRR people

Member since 2025 · 3 posts · 1 vote

Essentially, I am a rookie investor in NC. I want to BRRRR properties in and around Charlotte area. The issue I'm running into is the NC law that says you basically cant DIY anything that you plan to rent. You can only DIY one property, the property that you live in, and then must wait a year before renting. The one year delay includes house hacking as well. You can only DIY cosmetic things, like floors, countertops, windows, etc... But if I wanted to do a real value add, like taking out a wall to extend a kitchen and add an island, even if there is no plumbing or electrical in it, you still must use a licensed contractor. Something as simple as sealing a concrete basement and adding dry wall, contractor... It seems that even if you're experienced in these fields, that experience is essentially worthless apart from assessing contractors. And if you chose to owner occupy, you would surely lose more money paying the full mortgage and renovation loan for 12 months + rehab time as opposed to just contracting it.

So my question is, how do you get around this? I understand this law is very similar in other states as well, yet I hear stories of people all the time doing major renovations on their own. Are they just unaware of the law and getting lucky no one found out? If they are, I'm assuming they're probably not getting permits either. The only viable solution I see is that you absolutely have to work with contractors. So you just have to take money, time and risk with each one to build a network of them. And get used to do nothing on your own other than cosmetic rehab. Another answer I would be interested in is how to value add without any of the major rehabs (plumbing, electric, structural, hvac). Any advice is greatly appreciated, sorry for the novel.  

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Property Manager · Lenoir, NC · Member since 2017 · 38 posts · 38 votes
10mo

Joshua, 

A lot of investors are doing unpermitted repairs. A good agent will request permit records prior to representing a buyer's offer, but many agents don't ask. I represented the buyer for a house that had a whole bathroom installed without a permit...my buyer was able to terminate and get their due diligence fee returned. Seller had to ask forgiveness from the county, pay the permit fee, hired a licensed plumber to review the work, but the seller was not forced to rip out the bathroom. They eventually sold the house to another buyer. So yes, I think lots of flippers are rolling the dice and getting away with unpermitted work.

Adding electrical, plumbing, and HVAC requires a permit. Repairing those things does not always require a permit. Depending on your price point, you may not need to have brand new HVAC, electric, and plumbing--just functional and reliable.

The best bang for your buck is to update colors and styles. Flooring, paint, hardware, light fixtures, outlets and switches, windows, roof--that's all cosmetic and doesn't require a permit and those things go a long way to increasing the value of a house. Lots of investors are using a GC only for those specific issues that require a permit. Otherwise, they are doing their own work/using their own subs for the cosmetics.

Buyers shop emotionally and when it looks pretty and stylish, they want it. I also recommend making sure your realtor has professional photography and stages the property. 

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  • Real Estate Agent · Kansas City · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10mo

    I rarely here investors DIY major projects you mentioned. Majority of the time I see investors hire it out. Taking out a wall might require beams and the city does not want anybody doing work like this. This makes sure it is done right and any permits needed are done. When I see people DIY this it often looks choppy, sketchy and some do get shutdown by the city. Just hire it out and price it in. Get bids as you would since it's a rehab project.

  • Member since 2025 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    10mo
  • Nicholas L.Pro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    10mo

    @Joshua Cole

    i don't know the laws in NC but you should certainly follow them.

    i think the simple answer is, you have to buy at a price that is discounted enough that it allows for the rehab that is required. and if that's with licensed contractors, so be it. in general, as you're finding, properties that only need a cosmetic rehab don't sell at enough of a discount to work as a BRRRR. there is too much demand for them.

    i hope that helps. i just completed a very modest BRRRR that i'm happy with. happy to answer any questions you have.

  • Wale LawalBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Houston | Dallas | Austin, TX · Member since 2018 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10mo

    @Joshua Cole

    As far as I know in NC if you plan to rent it, anything beyond cosmetic work requires a licensed contractor. Mostly people who are doing everything themselves are either skipping permits or rolling the dice. I think the best way is to build a solid contractor network and focus your own sweat equity on cosmetic value adds that do not need permits.

    Good luck!

  • Property Manager · Lenoir, NC · Member since 2017 · 38 posts · 38 votes
    10mo

    Joshua, 

    A lot of investors are doing unpermitted repairs. A good agent will request permit records prior to representing a buyer's offer, but many agents don't ask. I represented the buyer for a house that had a whole bathroom installed without a permit...my buyer was able to terminate and get their due diligence fee returned. Seller had to ask forgiveness from the county, pay the permit fee, hired a licensed plumber to review the work, but the seller was not forced to rip out the bathroom. They eventually sold the house to another buyer. So yes, I think lots of flippers are rolling the dice and getting away with unpermitted work.

    Adding electrical, plumbing, and HVAC requires a permit. Repairing those things does not always require a permit. Depending on your price point, you may not need to have brand new HVAC, electric, and plumbing--just functional and reliable.

    The best bang for your buck is to update colors and styles. Flooring, paint, hardware, light fixtures, outlets and switches, windows, roof--that's all cosmetic and doesn't require a permit and those things go a long way to increasing the value of a house. Lots of investors are using a GC only for those specific issues that require a permit. Otherwise, they are doing their own work/using their own subs for the cosmetics.

    Buyers shop emotionally and when it looks pretty and stylish, they want it. I also recommend making sure your realtor has professional photography and stages the property. 

    • Member since 2025 · 3 posts · 1 vote
      10mo
      Quote from @Judith Sullivan:

      Joshua, 

      A lot of investors are doing unpermitted repairs. A good agent will request permit records prior to representing a buyer's offer, but many agents don't ask. I represented the buyer for a house that had a whole bathroom installed without a permit...my buyer was able to terminate and get their due diligence fee returned. Seller had to ask forgiveness from the county, pay the permit fee, hired a licensed plumber to review the work, but the seller was not forced to rip out the bathroom. They eventually sold the house to another buyer. So yes, I think lots of flippers are rolling the dice and getting away with unpermitted work.

      Adding electrical, plumbing, and HVAC requires a permit. Repairing those things does not always require a permit. Depending on your price point, you may not need to have brand new HVAC, electric, and plumbing--just functional and reliable.

      The best bang for your buck is to update colors and styles. Flooring, paint, hardware, light fixtures, outlets and switches, windows, roof--that's all cosmetic and doesn't require a permit and those things go a long way to increasing the value of a house. Lots of investors are using a GC only for those specific issues that require a permit. Otherwise, they are doing their own work/using their own subs for the cosmetics.

      Buyers shop emotionally and when it looks pretty and stylish, they want it. I also recommend making sure your realtor has professional photography and stages the property. 

      Love this answer! Really demonstrates the fallout of trying to go outside of the law. Hopefully this discourages others from trying it. I'm looking at a home right now that I really wanted, but looking at the pictures I see an abundance of code violations in the basement that make me wonder if the bathroom down there was even authorized. It is also unfortunate that if you a buy a home with unpermitted work, you are now responsible for it. Maybe I'll have a professional look at it to get an idea of what the renovation cost would look like.
  • Lender · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2023 · 11 posts · 1 vote
    9mo

    Check out 203k loans to purchase and rehab a property, mortgage payments can be wrapped into the loan.

  • Investor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2019 · 20 posts · 13 votes
    8mo

    From my experience in Charlotte, NC, the property owner or Licensed GC can be the only ones to pull permits. Permits need to be pulled for mechanicals and renovations exceeding $40k in value. Happy to talk more about this with you or what you might of learned since posting. Cheers!

    • Member since 2021 · 47 posts · 23 votes
      8mo
      Quote from @Tanner Dahl:

      From my experience in Charlotte, NC, the property owner or Licensed GC can be the only ones to pull permits. Permits need to be pulled for mechanicals and renovations exceeding $40k in value. Happy to talk more about this with you or what you might of learned since posting. Cheers!


       Tanner is correct here, but all permits would need to be pulled as owner builder and would require 12 months of occupancy before selling or leasing. 

  • Real Estate Consultant · USA · Member since 2025 · 36 posts · 16 votes
    8mo

    You’re approaching this the right way. In a state like NC, the best path is to build a reliable group of licensed contractors as early as possible. While you work on that, focus on cosmetic updates that stay within the legal limits.

  • Member since 2021 · 47 posts · 23 votes
    8mo

    Hey @Joshua Cole, I know exactly the issue you are running into. You can use the Owner builder GC laws that are in place but they requires you to live in the unit for 12 months AFTER the work has been completed. If you need help I am a licensed General Contractor here in Charlotte area and also an investor. So I understand the balance of the numbers needing to pencil and the subs to execute the work and pull permits. Happy to connect anytime. 

  • Bo SmithPro Member
    Hinton, WV · Member since 2026 · 1k+ posts · 373 votes
    8mo

    NC's DIY laws are tough but honestly, the biggest value add usually comes from buying right and managing good contractors, not swinging hammers yourself. Cosmetic stuff - paint, floors, updated kitchens - can still add serious value if you nail the purchase price. How are you currently finding your deals?

  • Lender · Marlboro, NJ · Member since 2025 · 243 posts · 150 votes
    8mo

    You're not missing anything - you're just running into the part of BRRRR that gets glossed over online. In states like NC, the strategy doesn't disappear, but the execution changes.

    In practice, most experienced investors aren’t “getting around” the law. They adapt in a few ways:

    1. They underwrite assuming licensed contractors from day one. That means buying at a basis where the deal still works after paying real labor costs. If it only works with free DIY labor, it's usually not a good BRRRR in that market.
    2. They focus on value-add that isn’t structural. Rent growth from improved layouts, better finishes, utility billing, laundry, parking, storage, or better tenant profile often matters more than knocking down walls.
    3. They shorten timelines. Faster, cleaner rehabs reduce holding costs, which is just as important as saving on labor. Delays kill BRRRRs more often than contractor pricing does.
    4. They treat contractors as part of the model, not an exception. Building a reliable bench takes time, but once you have it, the strategy becomes repeatable instead of dependent on your own labor.

    You’re also right that some people ignore the rules and get lucky, but that’s not a strategy. It becomes a real problem at refinance or sale when permits, inspections, or insurance come into play.

    The BRRRRs that still work today usually have strong purchase basis and modest, repeatable rehabs, not heroic renovations. If the value-add requires major structural work to pencil, it’s often better suited for a different strategy.

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