Lonnie Deals are financial boomerangs

Lonnie Deals are financial boomerangs

Investor · Calhoun, GA · Member since 2015 · 114 posts · 117 votes
Lonnie Deals are financial boomerangs:

I want to tell you about one of my favorite deal structures: the Lonnie Deal. That’s when an investor buys a mobile home on a rented lot for cash and resells it, offering owner financing to the buyer.

The reason I love them so much is they fit into any investor’s portfolio at any experience level. They work especially well for beginning investors.

If you’re a beginner, there’s a high likelihood you don’t have a tremendous amount of money to invest. It’s just as likely you have very little experience with things like paperwork and managing property.

With Lonnie Deals, these things aren’t problematic. First, these deals cost very little to get into. The most expensive one we’ve ever purchased cost $5,000. We average around $2,500 on the purchase price, which is a pretty affordable investment.

Lonnie Deals are also easy in terms of paperwork; there’s only three pieces.

The first is a Mobile home titlebill of sale. You need this when you buy the property or if you sell it for cash. If you need an example of what a bill of sale looks like, Google “DMV bill of sale form.”


Second, you need the title to the mobile home. My suggestion that you look for a DMV (Department of Motor Vehicle) bill of sale wasn’t random. Mobile homes are literally t
railers. They have tires, axles, tongues, and they even have odometer. And since they are mobile, they are governed by the DMV. As such, each one will have a title – just like a car.

The last piece of paperwork you’ll need is called an agreement for title and possession. This is an installment contract that details how your new buyer will pay you, how long they will pay you and what will happen if they don’t. It ends by saying that once they’ve made their final payment, you will give them the title to the mobile home.

So Lonnie Deals are cheap to get into, and they have relatively easy paperwork, but they also give a new investor the opportunity to practice the art of screening while searching for a new buyer. That last part is huge. Being able to find good people who will stay in your homes, pay on time and be good to work with is essential for being a successful investor. With Lonnie Deals, you get learn this skill without the pressure of a mortgage payment looming over you like in a traditional rental.

The best thing about Lonnie Deals, though, is they’re financial boomerangs – by that I mean you often time get them back.

This month we got three different homes back. Now, in other situations it would be easy to freak out – you’d be thinking about the fact that you now have three extra mortgage payments to make with no tenant in the homes.

On the contrary, we get excited when Lonnie Deals come back to us. That’s because we get to sell them again. This starts the payclock all over, and we get a new down payment. Cha Ching!

The reason Lonnie Deals come back so often is that peoples circumstances change. Take the three houses I just mentioned. Two of the owners got new jobs: one is Savannah and the other in Florida. The third owner was combining households to save up money to by a bricks-and-sticks house.

We’ve owned that last house three times now. Originally, we bought it for $3,500 and sold it for $10,000 cash in less than a month. Not too bad, huh? Later we acquired the same trailer for $2,500. We’re still $4,000 in the clear. We sold it with owner financing 10 months ago for $700 down with payments of $300 a month for three-and-a-half years. We’re about to start that process all over again, which is what makes Lonnie Deals financial boomerangs.

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Real Estate Agent · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2016 · 589 posts · 275 votes
9y

thanks joey. I called cashflowdepot.com today and told them and they emailed me the PDF file so I am all up to date. Thanks. I went and looked at a lot for sale that's vacant and then a few used mobile homes and used the squirrel dog method to really bring the asking price down. Scored a home today for 2500 bucks!!

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  • Patti RobertsonBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Virginia Beach, VA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    I loved Lonnie Scruggs!  I was fortunate to have him in my market and he was a friend.  His strategies are timeless!

  • Investor · Calhoun, GA · Member since 2015 · 114 posts · 117 votes
    9y

    @Patti Robertson, I wished I would have meet him in person before  he died. I feel like I know him to a certain degree by reading his books. But I wish I could have let him know the impact his teachings had on my families financial success. Mobile home's represent about 2/3 of our portfolio. And because of Lonnie, I am financially free. He was a great man and I am very grateful for him. 

  • Patti RobertsonBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Virginia Beach, VA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    @Joey English - 100% agreed!  I really regret that we never got him on video tape. We were planning an event to do just that and didn't get it done in time.

  • Keller, TX · Member since 2017 · 57 posts · 18 votes
    9y
    Sandy Uhlmann
  • Johnson City, TN · Member since 2014 · 586 posts · 705 votes
    9y

    Are you a registered mortgage loan originator?

  • Investor · Calhoun, GA · Member since 2015 · 114 posts · 117 votes
    9y

    @Account Closed, no. Something you are going to want to do before you do a Lonnie Deal is buy the book "Deals on Wheels." It's by Lonnie Scruggs. Now when you order it, it has a pamphlet with it that tells you how to be compliant with Dodd Frank. I recommend that you study both.

  • Johnson City, TN · Member since 2014 · 586 posts · 705 votes
    9y

    Didn't Lonnie die before the Dodd Frank law was passed?

  • Investor · Calhoun, GA · Member since 2015 · 114 posts · 117 votes
    9y

    He did, but Jackie Lang and a few others are perpetuating his work. They are the ones that put the pamphlet together.

    Check it out here: https://www.cashflowdepot.com/education/products/books/deals-on-wheels/

  • Johnson City, TN · Member since 2014 · 586 posts · 705 votes
    9y

    I have read all of his books.  Are they now just suggesting tent to own?

  • Investor · Mill Creek, WA · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 8 votes
    9y
    That pamphlet that you can get on Lonnie Scruggs.com is worth it's weight -- it's a really nice piece -- well done and valuable for the money they charge for it.
  • Investor · Calhoun, GA · Member since 2015 · 114 posts · 117 votes
    9y

    I'm with Robert, Tim. For $13 to buy the book again, it's well worth it. And no they are not suggesting rent to own. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Clarkston, GA · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    Hi Joey nice seeing your posts.   But I have to add my view.

    So what will you do if one day the park owner or manager decides they want to keep this profit for themselves and stop approving your buyers / renters?  What recourse do you have?  None...   You still owe lot rent, you signed the lot rent lease, but can no longer cover your expenses by selling or renting to an occupant.   This is problem #1 with lonnie deals.   

    Ok this does work (as long as it does) if you find an investor friendly park.  You MUST research the park first and have several conversations with the park management before you buy a home in any park.

    #2 The issue people worry about most, Dodd Frank.  IMHO #1 is your more likely problem.  But it is true any form of providing financing to an occupant for a refrigerator box, a mobile home, a McMansion is still covered by Dodd Frank, you must be a licensed bank or fit one of the few exceptions.  In GA the Safe Act allows 3 per rolling 12 months without being licensed as a bank, some states zero. The MLO is needed after your 1st origination state depending.  You MUST know the safe act in yourr state.  Or you just don;t worry about this issue.   Then you must make sure the buyer / occupant is VERY happy at all times, feels you gave them a great deal, and never gets mad. ... and figures out he has a lot of power to create a living hell and calls the state banking division OR the CFPB complaint hot line. Google CFPB complaint hot line.  

    Like I said #1 is the biggest risk if one where to be placing odds on what things might blow up.  But if #2 happens you'll be much more sorry.  Facts;  I have only heard of a few parks getting busted, not the small guys doing this.  Regardless I decided I was not going to play the odds and just bought the whole park, and a bunch of land-home deals where you own the double wide and the land.  This is a good business model!

    All this being said,  lonnie deals are a great way to learn about landlording, screening, negotiating, and not sleeping at night from the many problems.  But the tuition is low, I do agree.  :)

    What I learned a long the way is that most deals take the same amount of time, brain power, paper work, so why fool around with lonnie deals for a few $1k profit or even $5k profit all said and done.  There are much more profitable deal types that also take little cash.  Look into marketing for low equity nice home sellers who will sell via subject to or lease option.   Same low cash to get into a nice deal, and in the end you are dealing in nice houses, nice tenants and bigger profits all for teh same few $1k per deal.

  • Investor · Calhoun, GA · Member since 2015 · 114 posts · 117 votes
    9y

    Long time no see @Curt Smith. Thank you for your perspective. I personally never sign a lot leases and I've never had a park owner or manager start competing with me. Actually, most of them have told me they appreciate the service I'm offering them. Because I'm there, they have more steady lot rent. As far as recourse, you're exactly right. It's a gamble. You have three forms of recourse if a owner decided to to turn on you. 1: sell it for cash. 2: Move the home. 3. give to the park and leave. 

    You should be able to sell it for what you paid for, if you needed to get out, very easily. So no loss there.

    Moving it is expensive. The last one I moved cost about 7k when it was all said and done.(including the move, tie into plumbing,electrical, decks, skirting, paint and floor covering.)

    I almost always have all my initial investment back within a year.  So if after that first year, if the park were to  turn on me, (which has never happened) I can just walk away and have no loss. Remember, I didn't sign lot lease.

    One of the things that turned me on to Lonnie Deals was I heard the great Dyches Boddiford asked if he lost everything, what deal would he start with to gain it back. He replied, "That's simple. I'd do Lonnie Deals." 

    Since I gain my entire investment back in the first year, that means most Lonnie Deals have yield of 100% or better. (better happens quite often) I don't know to many true investments that can do that. But I do know this, Ashley and I started in 2012 as Broke Kids. ( literally I was going door to door with my pressure washer trying to get enough work for grocery and bill money washing houses for a mere $75 a pop) Last year we got out of the Rat Race. Our holds, ie rentals and notes, pay for themselves, for their repairs, pay for any vacancies, AND pay for our lifestyle. We are now financially free! And dude, that is liberating. I owe a majority of that success to Lonnie Deals. 

    Lonnie deals are high yield and high income earners. Most of mine bring it $300/month. There is no expense factor. That is pure cash flow. Most of my stick and brick houses don't produce like that. And I make around 10k a pop. I buy them for around 2k and sell them for 12k at 300/month with zero interest. This tends to keep folks happy.( hopefully averting your number 2 objections.) 

    The only draw back I see is they are short term. But it's a means to an end. Right now, we are taking steps to replace those income streams once they pay out.

    Bottom line, for us, Lonnie Deals made all the difference in the world. They were easy to get into, have the best yield of any investment I have seen, and helped us, as two broke kids, become financially free. I am grateful Lonnie took the time to write his book, that Jackie makes it available, and that Dyches said he would do them too.

    I'll see you this weekend Curt.

  • Steve HodgdonPro Member
    Investor · Novato, CA · Member since 2015 · 434 posts · 321 votes
    9y

    Deal #1. Loser. Way over improved the unit. Park owner undercutting me now. Selling their vacancies for 1/2 our original understanding. 

    Need to dump this and try again. What's your best selling tip? I'm hoping a flyer in the park gets me a referral with an offer to pay the tenant's lot rent for a month. 

    Besides picking the wrong park, the wrong unit, the wrong contractor(s), the wrong budget what else could I do wrong? 

  • Investor · Calhoun, GA · Member since 2015 · 114 posts · 117 votes
    9y

    @Steve Hodgdon

    I talk better than I type. Give me a call and I see if I can give you any advice. I think we have to IM in order to send an number on BP. I am just not sure how to do it. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2016 · 589 posts · 275 votes
    9y
    Joey English Great posts joey I purchased all 3 of Lonnie Scruggs books from cashflowdepot.com but mine did not come with a pamphlet about the Dodd-Frank updates. I would love to get my hands on this and understand it as I'm about to begin doing Lonnie deals in here in Nevada. Thanks 🙏
  • Investor · Calhoun, GA · Member since 2015 · 114 posts · 117 votes
    9y

    @Mike G., PM me your email address and see if I can put you in touch with the right people to get you that pamphlet. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    9y

    @Curt Smith  reality is I suspect the OP really could give a rip about DF.. just do what Lonnie said and Jackie Lang bought that other guys book..  this is old stuff

    I have owned a few of these parks and I can tell you NO Lonnie is coming into my parks LOL

    I will keep them thank you very much

    but were you guys live and work your flooded with these low end parks.. so have at it..

  • Real Estate Agent · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2016 · 589 posts · 275 votes
    9y

    thanks joey. I called cashflowdepot.com today and told them and they emailed me the PDF file so I am all up to date. Thanks. I went and looked at a lot for sale that's vacant and then a few used mobile homes and used the squirrel dog method to really bring the asking price down. Scored a home today for 2500 bucks!!

  • Investor · Calhoun, GA · Member since 2015 · 114 posts · 117 votes
    9y

    @Mike G., Congratulations. That is awesome!

  • Real Estate Agent · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2016 · 589 posts · 275 votes
    9y

    @Joey English , thanks now im trying to find a park that will allow me to put the home in it and get a renter approved and hold the paper but this part is proving to be much harder than actually fining a MH. Seems no park owners want to let an outside investor in even when they have several vacant lots in their park...... oh well guess ill just have to buy a park and solve that problem!!

  • Member since 2020 · 7 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    Hi Joey! I understand this post is over 3 years old, but I just happened to be searching for deals and wheels and I found your post. This is very helpful so thank you for this. I was wondering if you knew a place for me to get my hands on the book "Deals on Wheels" because I've been searching the web with no luck. I hope you see this message. Thank you in advance. 

  • Investor · Calhoun, GA · Member since 2015 · 114 posts · 117 votes
    6y

    @Omar Fattahi, I would check out cashflowdepot.com. They have a membership of less $300 for lifetime access to tons of recorded seminars and books... and Lonnie's Deals On Wheels is part of the program. See the link below. Hope that helps. 

    https://www.cashflowdepot.com/?s=deals+on+wheels

  • Member since 2020 · 7 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    Thank you @Joey English! I'll def check it out. The $300 could be worth all that material. 
    Do you think MH investing and the lonnie deals still apply in 2020? I live in SoCal so I'm trying to see if there's potential for me starting this MH journey. I'm brand new to RE investing as a whole. 

  • Investor · Calhoun, GA · Member since 2015 · 114 posts · 117 votes
    6y

    Yes sir. Without a doubt. Your entry price may be different that what I am used to here in Georgia, but your sales price and monthly payment will reflect that difference as well. Either way, dollar for dollar, mobile homes are the best investment in real estate today.

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