Discouraged After Speaking With Active Investors

Discouraged After Speaking With Active Investors

Member since 2021 · 9 posts · 28 votes

January 1st I jumped in to the world of real estate investing. While I have made a ton of progress over the past three weeks (Thanks 12-Week Year), I am a bit concerned with some feedback I have been getting. I have spoken with five investors in my area (Southern NH, just north of Boston, MA) and every single one of them has said something to the effect of "Oh so exciting you are getting into investing. What a terrible time to start, however. You should wait a few years for the market to cool down."

Inventory is very low in my area and sales happen within days (sometimes hours), so there is definitely merit to what they are saying.

- Keep pushing. Analyze, make offers (if possible...inventory is VERY low), repeat.

- Continue networking with investors and try to find one that wants to help me out and sell me a property vs listing it

- Invest in other areas of the country. However, this seems so risky to me as I've never bought a rental property before. It's hard enough navigating this process in the area you live in, never mind a couple of thousand miles away.

I know this process won't be easy, and I am by no means giving up, just a bit discouraging to have 100% of investors tell you this is a horrible time to get into the game. 

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Curtis YoderPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Tulsa, OK · Member since 2014 · 241 posts · 187 votes
5y

You cannot time the market. If you are waiting for the "right time" to buy you will never buy. Might as well forget about REI. Go out and meet people, knock doors, send postcards, post on social media. Let your world know you are buying and deals will come to you. Do your homework and be ready to pull the trigger when a profitable deal comes your way. Jump in and start swimming, there will never be a better time than right now! You will look back years from now and wish you had started even sooner.

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  • Saint Louis · Member since 2020 · 9 posts · 5 votes
    5y

    @Jonathan Giglio

    I ran into similar problems regarding multi-family in St Louis. Everything is overpriced and I can’t compete with the larger companies making all cash offers 10k over asking. So I’m switching up my strategy to Single Family Homes for the time being. My plan is to buy at least one a year and house hack. After 5 years I hope to be in a position to use a cash-out refi and begin trading up to multi-family.

  • Specialist · Portsmouth New Hampshire · Member since 2020 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    5y

    Hey Jonathan! I just moved back to the Southern NH area from SoCal and picked up a condo in Portsmouth. It takes a bit of digging, but there are deals to be found in areas where people will pay a lot for rent if you're looking for a cash flowing propert! Maybe check that out?

  • Real Estate Agent · Austin, TX · Member since 2014 · 636 posts · 486 votes
    5y

    I used to teach statistics to MBA students, and I would tell them that five opinions is way too small of a sample size to get anything valuable out of it, so let's make it six opinions: People have been telling me that it was a bad time to get into real estate since I started buying up duplexes in 2013, and that I should wait until the market cooled down before buying. The truth is, there's no such thing as a bad time to get into real estate, as long as you do your homework, add value, and tread carefully.

    Keep it up. It might take a while, but it will eventually lead you to financial independence if you play your cards right.

  • Real Estate Agent · Salem, MA · Member since 2014 · 114 posts · 78 votes
    5y

    @Carlos Paz
    "One day, or Day one, you decide!"

    That's awesome

  • Coventry, RI · Member since 2018 · 73 posts · 39 votes
    5y

    A lot of people are waiting for the '08 crash again, or prices to revert back to the 90's because they can't get the same deals they used to.  Over time RE tends to go up, not down though so you could be waiting forever.  That being said the market is a bit hot so I think all we can do is find deals that make sense, this means not over-bidding and sometimes losing out on deals where the price gets driven too high. Stick to the numbers and make sure they are a bit conservative.

  • Ian WalshBusiness Member
    Lender · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    There are deals every day, everywhere. 

  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y

    Those investors that's wanting for 08 crash is a very lazy investor that I'm sure even if there's crash tomorrow, they still don't buy because they actually never invest.

    I like when someone said there's deal anytime anywhere, I found the same.

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2020 · 23 posts · 7 votes
    5y

    @Jonathan Giglio I’m in Philadelphia and am experiencing the same thing. Home prices are sky rocketing, inventory is low and goes quick, and it’s just highly competitive.

    The one common theme I see here on BiggerPockets is that deals can be find in any market. I always try to remember that when I get discouraged. With that said, keep pushing, keep searching for deals, and continue learning and networking!

    Also, I ended up pivoting from my original strategy. I wanted a duplex/tri-plex to house hack as my first property. Due to low inventory, I ended up putting an offer in on a SFH and am using the basement as a STR. So maybe exploring different strategies could be useful too!

  • Real Estate Agent · Baltimore Maryland · Member since 2019 · 98 posts · 74 votes
    5y

    I don't think there's ever a "right" time to buy...it all depends on the numbers.  I wouldn't let what those investors said discourage you.  For every one investor who had something negative to say, I'd bet there are 3 investors out there doing tons of business now.  Plus, just because someone is an "investor" doesn't necessarily make them a good one.  Just keep your head in the game, be patient, and do your due diligence.  You'll be fine!  Good luck.

  • Rental Property Investor · Livermore, CA · Member since 2019 · 77 posts · 23 votes
    5y

    @Jonathan Giglio

    Hey Jonathan,

    In my opinion it’s all depending on the strategy you are wanting to implement.

    Warren buffet explained that if he would of never sold a stock he would be 10x richer then he is now. Keep this in mind when looking at real estate.

    You will almost always be in a better position with then without.

  • Rental Property Investor · IN · Member since 2020 · 46 posts · 41 votes
    5y

    @Jonathan Giglio The best time to start investing in real estate was yesterday. The next best time it now. Stop talking to the naysayers until you close on your first deal. No matter who or what, you will always have naysayers. Carry on! And good luck.

  • Real Estate Agent · New York City · Member since 2020 · 819 posts · 641 votes
    5y

    It is always a good time to deploy capital if you are buying right. 

    Remember, first, you make money when you buy. Be selective. Bide your time. Don't get an itchy trigger finger. 

    This will also help you in continuing to grow as you build equity and eventually pull it out. 

    Second, be smart about how you add value. Go after the low hanging fruit and the investments that produce outsized returns (i.e. will a $400 used washer/dryer lead people to pay $25 more per unit per month in a 3 family property - because that is 225% per annum). 

    Thirdly, be cautious and thorough when it comes to tenant selection:

    1. Background Checks

    2. Credit Checks

    3. Employer References / Landlord Refernces

    4. Proof of Income

  • Member since 2021 · 9 posts · 28 votes
    5y

    THANK YOU everyone! What a freakin' community this is. Huge motivation in here. Book marking this thread for motivation down the road when I need it. 

    Now, back to creating my Excel analytic sheet. You guys and gals are great. I appreciate everyone who took time to respond. Truly. Thank you.

  • Real Estate Agent · Ontario, Canada · Member since 2020 · 21 posts · 9 votes
    5y

    @Jonathan Giglio

    Don’t necessarily shy away from other areas. My first property was close, but I found I couldn’t manage it anyway, so I hired a property manager. So it wouldn’t matter if it was next door or thousands of miles away. Network with investment focused realtors in your areas of interest and if they are reputable they should have a good property management company to refer to you.

  • Investor · NY · Member since 2019 · 171 posts · 80 votes
    5y

    Best time to buy was yesterday!

  • Lender · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 653 posts · 313 votes
    5y

    all I can say is dang homie, 3 weeks in and you criticizing yourself? Chill man. 

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y

    Lets see where your at:

    Step 1:   "Financial FOCUS"- What are you financing capabilities? Determine this so you can narrow your search field down. If you have $100,000 to invest and are working with a Banker offering you 40% LTV, then your max deal is $250,000. Use that to limit your search. No point wasting efforts on $400,000 flips, BRRR's, etc. Determine your LTV 10%, 15%, 20%, 25%, 40%. Changes the numbers as you see fit. Have you met your banker? Go say hello. Let them get to know you in their way: Supply last three tax returns. Fill out their Personal financial statement. Credit scores. Investment background, Open up an account with them. Might be the difference between 40% and 35% LTV. Pick a banker who knows your business. Show them your business model and numbers. Etc. If your Financial number is not enough for SFH/MFH, re-focus to mobile homes or RV's. Build your capital.

    Step 2:  "Build your team".  Make a list of all of the functions you will need.  Surveyor, landscaping, financing, legal, plumbing, electrician, drywall, insurance, city/county zoning, inspectors, title search or insurance, etc.  As you are researching/talking/meeting/etc.  Start to develop a "list" by category.  Start finding out who you want to work with.  Don't go looking for them.  Find them along the way.  Even if you had a great property right now, you probably couldn't act on it.  Build your team.

    Step 3:  "Focus your time"- Start reducing what your reading, who you are listening to, etc.  I love a good "NO".  You need to go back and thank those initial investors who told you now is not a good time to invest.  They gave you a good solid "NO".  Stop talking with them, don't add them to your team.  Why do I like a good "NO".  I did door to door sales for three weeks when I was 17 years old, right out of high school.  First week I made $25, carrying a 25 pound case door to door in 95 degrees and 80% humidity in Louisiana.  This was going to be my money to go to college in 3 months.  Second Week, made $300.  Third week, made $700.  Went back to construction week 4. 

    Lessons I Learned:

    Week 1- they don't like/love me.

    Week 2-  they don't care about me either way, I just don't know how to sell or know my product.

    Week 3-  I learned how to sell my product and more importantly I knew it was a numbers game.  1 out of 10 doors was now going to buy from me.  At that point, "no" meant nothing to me.  I actually grew to dislike people who were nice or polite to me.  I wanted a solid "NO".  Not, till my spouse comes home. Not, come back later. Not, can I afford it? Not, I was just leaving.  etc, etc.  Unless I got a solid "NO" I kept on selling to them.

    Step 4:  "Stay in your Lane":  Pick a business model and stay in that lane.  All the things above that you know to ask; and then all the things that you don't know, until you do some deals.  Its a huge learning experience.  Don't learn two business models at once.

    Step 5:  "Get out of your Lane": Find other people that are in your lane, but also out of your Lane. Talk deals with them. There is a lot of cross learning that can occur, that you can take and apply to your model. Might not even be in REI.

    Step 6:  Zoning:  For your business model get to know the details of your particular type of business.  Setbacks, drainage, add ons, Minimum square footage, etc.

    Step 7:  How Smart are you?:  a.  Dumb- keep making the same mistake over and over., b.  Smart- learn from your own mistakes., c.  Brilliant- learn from other peoples mistakes.  Yes, you want to find a way to learn from other peoples mistakes.  Most of this, you can bypass by picking good team members and sticking with them.  Don't keep switching each time a new contractor says they can save you 5%.  I love my contractors.  Can turn my back on them and know when something is up, they will catch it for me, while a decision can still be made.  There are cheaper contractors.  My contractors I can call them on a Sunday or 8 at night for some input and they are happy to talk with me.

    Step 8:  Lets make a Deal: First of all the above steps are in no order. Let me go with your a SFH or MFH model person. 1. You want "that Deal". The one where you can tell everyone you put $20,000 down on a $400,000 house. Re-did the carpet and netted $50,000; 2 weeks later. Don't look for that deal. You want to minimize your risk. Know your exit strategy is realistic. Learn a little bit, not everything at once. Pick something that is easy, one or two of the following: Landscaping. New Roof. Pet stained carpets, New kitchen, Outside face lift, etc. So you make only $5,000. You learn $20,000 of lessons and you finally jumped off the "Cliff". Making the deal- earnest money, due diligence period, inspections, etc. Make a closing list.

    Determine your financial and personal objectives ahead of time. COC, NOI, Payback, sweat equity, etc.

    Step 9:  Lets find a Deal:  Build your network, but for now lets look at properties that are actually for sale.  Look at the following two properties.  Forget whether they are out of your price range or not in the correct location.  Start doing deal analysis, to the nth degree.

    Loopnet Commercial 42 Manchester RD, Derry, NH-  I see this as a MFH- 2 1,800sqft rental units 3br, 2 bath each.

    Daycare- Rockingham County, NH.  Can't see details, but I see MFH.

    Do what everyone else is doing, Drive for dollars, Wholesalers, contacts, road signs, etc.  But also, if your market is that tough, look at some "Coal".  Look in the Commercial arena, above.  Look for depressed businesses- Daycares, restaurants, etc.  Realize the Covid shots are coming, but by now a lot of these types of businesses are on their last fumes.  "Help" them out, give them an alternative.

    Do two thorough Deal analysis in the next 4 weeks.  You want to get so good at Deal analysis, without having bought one, that when the right deal comes along and you have only 1 week to analyze, your not mired down in information collection.

    Step 10:  Join a group:  If you go down this path, you will find no one wants to discuss with you.  Find a RE group to have these conversations with. My buddy has a Laundry Mat and a car wash.  Totally different businesses, but we can relate.

    As always Zoning/Zoning first.

    If I'm ever in your area, you owe me and my family a lobster dinner.

    "Start small and Make Your Big Mistakes Early"

  • Rental Property Investor · Gulf Shores, AL · Member since 2019 · 107 posts · 115 votes
    5y

    @Jonathan Giglio

    If inventory is tight, they might just be trying to keep you from being one of their competitors 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • Investor · Jonesboro, AR · Member since 2018 · 118 posts · 35 votes
    5y

    @Jonathan Giglio hey man don’t get discouraged! Money used to be made at any point throughout the market. There are just different trends to how to make money. Majority of the people you talk to they’re not going to help. You need to find a mentor in the market you are in. find someone who’s willing to mentor you but also find a way to add value to them. I would find someone and ask them how you can find them deals and in return they just teach you what they are doing.  don’t stop learning and don’t get discouraged because of what other people say

  • Investor · Cookeville, TN · Member since 2014 · 43 posts · 14 votes
    5y

    I will always try to preach what I practice. With that being said, I have not done any deals since Covid started. My market is currently is a similar situation. We are one of the overflow cities catching waves from the overly priced Nashville area and it has completely drained the local inventory. You cannot hire a (worthwhile and vetted) contractor as they are all now building out subdivisions and are not willing to be hired out currently. Last contractor I talked with said he was minimum two years out. As it has been stated above, there is always a deal to be found with enough work. I cannot express how important due diligence is in a very hot market. If more seasoned investors are passing then there is usually a reason for it. I agree with your concern of flipping at a distance as this complicates the whole process (especially when you are a new investor). Myy advice for you is the best advice I got when I started. Find someone (or several people) that are doing what you want to be doing, find something that is a value add to them and try to suck up as much knowledge as possible. There is a few ways to gain more practical knowledge when investing but I have learned none of it is free. It either comes with doing work for someone who knows more (usually for free) at a cost of time, or by just jumping into the deep end and learning through your check book. If this is something that you are dedicated to you definitely will find a way to make it work. Look at your skill sets and think of what your strong suits are lean on them, also try to understand what your weakness is and try to minimize your time/energy spent there. Dont think you need to rush into anything, real estate moves a bit slower than other markets so its safer in predictability. With all that said, practical advice... Look at maybe the surrounding areas that are in the path of progress that is a reasonable drive (you could make a round trip there on any given day). All larger cities that a low inventory will always have smaller outlier cities  that will catch the over flow. I would look there, see what has a commutable distance and amenities that would be attractive. Good schools, low crime, lower taxes, ect. Good luck and stick with it. It took me over a year to get my first deal put together that made sense to me. I know there are ppl here that have done more deals in the first 6 months than I have in the last 6 years but im moving at a pace that I am comfortable with, I would suggest moving at a pace that makes sense to you. I know at 12 weeks after listing to hundreds of podcasts, and similar amounts of blog posts and articles I still was so green that I didnt know what I didnt know. Stay positive and keep a steady pace, you got this! 

  • Rental Property Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2017 · 221 posts · 188 votes
    5y

    @Jonathan Giglio depends on your strategy. You can go outside your market. There's nothing stopping you from doing that. Pursue off-market deals. Network with agents and wholesalers, start learning to pull niche lists and most importantly, set it and forget it...be consistent in your efforts and the magic happens. I guarantee it!

    If it was easy, everyone will be doing it. What's your why?

    Goodluck brother. Don't be discouraged...be encouraged and excited for what you will experience.

    Also, learn creative financing and how to apply it. Sometimes you could take over payments, sometimes you could have seller finance, sometimes you can lease purchase and use them to your advantage. You must be able to pivot in this market.

    Those investors you spoke with doesn't really mean anything...because if you apply a good strategy, it works..all the time. Not easy but it works. Get great at sourcing deals...enough calculations...get on the phone and TTP lol

    My 2 cents

  • Real Estate Agent · Winston Salem, NC · Member since 2014 · 486 posts · 303 votes
    5y

    @Jonathan Giglio is there a local Reia? Off market deals may be the best way to go. In cases such as this you can find a house but it may take longer than usual because of the competition but it can be done. You may have to offer over asking but only do what works for your financial plans

  • Miami, FL · Member since 2020 · 12 posts · 4 votes
    5y

    @John Thedford

    What do you mean by “buy right”?

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    5y

    @James Davis buy at a discount.

  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2016 · 531 posts · 310 votes
    5y

    @Jonathan Giglio the truth is...it is a tough time to enter the game. Things are getting bought quickly and for over asking making it hard to cash flow also you have covid and tenants not being evicted. 

    See how you react matters.

    You can look at the problems and have them discourage you  and say I will wait

    Or you can master the information, work to find deals off market, work to network, practice analyzing deals, go visit another less competitive part of the country to invest in.

    How you take it matters. Don't let it discourage you instead let it motivate you to the next level of you

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