Top States/Cities to invest in right now

Top States/Cities to invest in right now

West Warwick, RI · Member since 2015 · 15 posts · 24 votes

Hello all, my apologies if this questions has been brought up more than once during recent times. 

Based on your overall market expertise, what are the top cities to invest in real estate right now? To clarify specifics, I will use locations that I currently invest in. Providence RI, has been my area of focus for the last 10 years. Im able to pretty much pin point the best deals down to street by street basis. By no means am I as successful as many of the investors here on BP but I definitely know my area well. That being said, I can say with confidence that inventory is very low and prices are extremely high. As is the case throughout most of the country. To add, when looking at public records, there are properties selling for double (sometimes even triple) the purchase price of that 3 years ago in some cases. 

You can still find deals in which you over pay for a property but your market cap is still 8% or higher even with expenditures on the inflated side. Rents do justify purchase price in some deals but prices in general are hard to swallow. 


Newport RI, is another example. The closer you are to the main tourist strip (Thames st) the more prices begin to make you sweat. In summer rental locations you can get $2000 - $3000 per week on a turn key property selling for 1million - 1.3million. Ive been a part of conversations with local investors/realtors where people are paying 20,000 per month to live in certain properties in Newport RI. 

Anyway, Id like to know where prices seem to be less inflated where market cap is still above 8%? Where in the U.S. do prices actually make sense? 

Coupled with this, I speak with a lot of investors that say, who cares about the purchase price. If your in an area that meets promising rental criteria and the rents justify the purchase price, I would buy. If the value of the home dips, im still making passive income. Personally, I cant seem to swallow this thought.

Would love to hear everyones input on this! Happy Memorial day weekend to all! Big thanks to those who serve and/or served in our military!

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Rental Property Investor · Honolulu, HAWAII (HI) · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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Birmingham, Atlanta, Indianapolis, Gary (IN), St Louis, Kansas City, Memphis, Little Rock, Indianapolis, Harrisburg (PA), Greenville, Jacksonville, Tampa, Houston, San Antonio, Little Rock, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Dayton, Cleveland, Ohio, or other secondary or tertiary markets.

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  • Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2017 · 71 posts · 25 votes
    5y

    Following, because it’s hard for me to swallow the thought as well 

  • Rental Property Investor · Honolulu, HAWAII (HI) · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    Birmingham, Atlanta, Indianapolis, Gary (IN), St Louis, Kansas City, Memphis, Little Rock, Indianapolis, Harrisburg (PA), Greenville, Jacksonville, Tampa, Houston, San Antonio, Little Rock, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Dayton, Cleveland, Ohio, or other secondary or tertiary markets.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    5y

    Coupled with this, I speak with a lot of investors that say, who cares

    about the purchase price. If your in an area that meets promising rental

    criteria and the rents justify the purchase price, I would buy. If the

    value of the home dips, im still making passive income. Personally, I

    cant seem to swallow this thought.

    YUP me either..  rental income is simply one component and not always the most important.

  • Real Estate Broker · Huntsville, AL · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 872 votes
    5y

    Most out of state investors are attracted to Ohio for cash flow reasons. Our five major cities are Columbus, Cincinnati, Toledo, Cleveland, and Dayton. There are currently deals on the market here.

  • Blake ParkBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2020 · 126 posts · 121 votes
    5y

    The midwest is a great place to find those cap rates.

  • Marc RiceBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus Cleveland Dayton, OH · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Fernando Vitorino I grew up 30 min from Providence in Westport, MA. Those market conditions are similar in any major market across the US that is experiencing population growth. If you want great returns in your backyard check New Bedford or Fall River. Otherwise look towards the Midwest or south east sub markets where it’s less competitive.

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  • West Warwick, RI · Member since 2015 · 15 posts · 24 votes
    5y

    Thanks for the response on this guys. Your feedback has brought up some interesting thoughts. 

    Even though I trust everyone's knowledge on market environments, its difficult for me to randomly select a place like Columbus OH for example and start pricing out properties simply because investors are saying the market is hot in this area. Reason being; Where I currently invest, Providence RI, If you are off by ONE STREET, you could find yourself in a totally different demographic. Culture, income, transportation, crime, etc ALL CHANGES just one street away from a neighborhood that is actually booming with working professionals

    I own a 5 unit commercial building on the "West END" of providence. This area went from up and coming to now holding some of the most creative restaurants, speak easies, historical rehabs, and transportation upgrades that the city of providence has to offer. Its referred to as hipster paradise. I have nurses, an MIT professor who left Boston due to high rent and covid related issues, a teacher, and even a textiles engineer to give you an idea of the type of individuals that this area attracts. Just ONE street over (the end of the block) starts a whole new area where crime is still an issue, police walk the streets 24/7, the homeless are seen sleeping at every corner, etc. My point is this, If I tell you that Providence RI, is booming with potential, I'm not lying. But, you really need to know the fine details in order to put yourself in a safe financial situation based on precise location selection. How do those that invest in new cities without having grown up, lived in, or in some cases even visited, find justification in their investments?

  • Member since 2020 · 24 posts · 17 votes
    5y

    @Fernando Vitorino Indiana is the best state to invest nowadays

  • West Warwick, RI · Member since 2015 · 15 posts · 24 votes
    5y

    @Thomas Filak

    Why

  • Jorge VazquezBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Tampa, FL · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 688 votes
    5y

    Tampa continues to rank as one of the best cities in the U.S. for real estate investing, with a booming economy and strong job growth, along with affordable investment properties featuring generous cash flow and equity growth.

    In this article, you’ll learn the 5 top reasons why Metro Tampa Bay is one of the strongest real estate markets for real estate investing in the country. They include:

    1. Growing Economy
    2. Job Growth
    3. Population Growth
    4. Investment Property Affordability
    5. Cash Flow and Equity Growth

    Growing Economy

    Tampa’s growing economy is largely a result of a city government that advocates for economic development that has furthered a real estate investment boom, making Tampa one of the most popular destinations for millennial entrepreneurs. So much so, these entrepreneurs are called “Tampreneurs.”

    Tampa has the diversified economy millennials seek, led by financial services, STEM-related occupations, health care, research, education, tourism, retirement, and military bases all making significant contributions to jobs and growth. The local economy is worth about 130 billion dollars, putting Tampa Bay among the fastest growing metros in the country.

    Furthermore, businessmen Jeff Vinik, owner of the Tampa Bay Lightning hockey team, and Bill Gates have partnered to invest in Tampa. Together, they formed Strategic Property Partners, the driving force behind downtown Tampa’s most ambitious redevelopment project, Water Street Tampa. This nine million square foot multi-use project on the Tampa waterfront will consist of commercial, residential, educational, entertainment, cultural, and retail space. The total investment will exceed three billion dollars.

    Job Growth

    Because of its growing economy, Tampa is consistently creating jobs. In 2016, Metro Tampa added 40,000 new jobs, making it the fastest growing area in the state, and one of the fastest in the country. As evidence of this, more than 19 firms with annual revenues of over 1 billion dollars are headquartered in Tampa.

    With a growing economy and job growth, Tampa was the number-one city people moved to in 2016, according to Realtor.com. As a result, the strong real estate investing marketing in Metro Tampa Bay continues to this day, with businesses growing in practically all sectors.

    For these reasons and more, Fortune magazine ranked Tampa as the hottest city for start-ups. And Money magazine ranked Tampa as the best overall city in the Southeast.

    Job growth in Tampa has grown by more than 2%. Although slightly below the national average, future growth seems likely for many reasons: corporate expansion, the low cost of doing business, and the high demand for STEM-related occupations.

    Population Growth

    So, with a growing economy and strong job growth, Metro Tampa Bay is experiencing healthy population growth.

    A convergence of activity that includes a visionary government, an accessible airport, and a diverse community has transformed Tampa into one of the most highly desirable and popular metros in America. Since 2010, Tampa’s population has increased by almost 9 percent – more than double the national average of 4 percent, with metro Tampa experiencing the nation’s 4th highest gain from people moving here in 2016.

    Investment Property Affordability

    While experiencing economic, job, and population growth, Metro Tampa Bay is ranked as one of the best places to invest in real estate because prices for investment properties have remained low.

    In Tampa neighborhoods where Graystone Investment Group’s clients invest, the median price for 3-bedroom homes in Tampa was $116,000 in January 2017 – 38% lower than the national average of $187,000. This shows Tampa investment properties are much more affordable than in many other cities across the nation.

    Cash Flow and Equity Growth

    Besides affordability of investment properties, Metro Tampa Bay features cash flowing properties with strong equity growth.

    The average gross cap rate for properties Graystone Investment Group buys is 10%, with the best properties having a gross cap rate of 12% in 2018. This is possible because rents are higher in Tampa than the national average, especially in the neighborhoods Graystone Investment Group buys properties. And, Graystone finds properties with exceptional value that retain more equity upon being rehabbed.

    Because of a booming economy, and long-term investments in Tampa by investors like Jeff Vinik and Bill Gates, equity growth for investment properties in Tampa Bay remains strong with the Zillow Home Value Index at $213,800 for the Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater Metro as of June 2019, which is more than 8% below the state’s median home value and nearly 6% lower than the U.S. median home value according to Zillow.

    And, though home values are lower in Tampa Bay than all of Florida and the overall U.S., they increased more rapidly. Zillow estimates they will continue to increase at a faster pace than both the state and U.S. overall.

    What does this mean for real estate investors? Investment properties in Tampa Bay are generating very good cash flow profits, while growing equity more quickly than the state and the U.S. overall, providing the potential for investors to generate higher profits.

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  • Marc RiceBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus Cleveland Dayton, OH · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Fernando Vitorino

    East side is more stable growth of Providence from what I’ve seen by Fox Point and Miriam. I like the south by the park too.

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  • Dentist · Taylorsville, UT · Member since 2013 · 102 posts · 68 votes
    5y

    @Fernando Vitorino

    Google “zoom cities” for some interesting data on this. These are cities with lower populations and lower cost of living poised to grow since more people are working virtually.

  • West Warwick, RI · Member since 2015 · 15 posts · 24 votes
    5y

    @Jorge Vazquez fantastic read. Ive hear great things about the Tampa market and I think Tampa's economy will continue to prosper although properties are still over priced in this area as well. A Duplex in Hyde Park for example selling for $790k generating $1500 in monthly rental income per unit just simply is not attractive to me. I also see a case where you have to compete with the sky scraper rentals which are being built like rapid fire. It looks as though the rental prices are all over the place even when condensing the search area and assuming same amenities. Id imagine the reason why Graystone is getting a 12% return is because the are getting crazy whole sale deals, going in with cash obviously, a ton of leverage, etc. Not everyone has that kind of power. Can you provide insight on this? How for example does someone looking to owner occupy using FHA generate a decent cap rate?

    @Marc Rice - East Side is for the people with old money, the big shot Boston/New York investors, and those that arent afraid of overpaying. Example: I have a good friend selling a 2 family for 1.2Million on the east side. He paid $345k for it in 2012. As we have already discussed, this is part of investing and I respect it but, its another example of how prices are inflated and people are blinded by fancy areas, low interest rates, scarcity of inventory, etc. Upside to the east side is that you get a high influx of awesome renters who pay. And believe it or not, the 1.2Million dollar 2 unit that my friend is selling  get 8K in monthly rental income which justifies the purchase price for those who don't care about the actual property value. 

    @Tyler Williams - thanks for sharing. I will be utilizing that source. Much appreciated 

  • Remington LymanBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2017 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Fernando Vitorino:

    Hello all, my apologies if this questions has been brought up more than once during recent times. 

    Based on your overall market expertise, what are the top cities to invest in real estate right now? To clarify specifics, I will use locations that I currently invest in. Providence RI, has been my area of focus for the last 10 years. Im able to pretty much pin point the best deals down to street by street basis. By no means am I as successful as many of the investors here on BP but I definitely know my area well. That being said, I can say with confidence that inventory is very low and prices are extremely high. As is the case throughout most of the country. To add, when looking at public records, there are properties selling for double (sometimes even triple) the purchase price of that 3 years ago in some cases. 

    You can still find deals in which you over pay for a property but your market cap is still 8% or higher even with expenditures on the inflated side. Rents do justify purchase price in some deals but prices in general are hard to swallow. 


    Newport RI, is another example. The closer you are to the main tourist strip (Thames st) the more prices begin to make you sweat. In summer rental locations you can get $2000 - $3000 per week on a turn key property selling for 1million - 1.3million. Ive been a part of conversations with local investors/realtors where people are paying 20,000 per month to live in certain properties in Newport RI. 

    Anyway, Id like to know where prices seem to be less inflated where market cap is still above 8%? Where in the U.S. do prices actually make sense? 

    Coupled with this, I speak with a lot of investors that say, who cares about the purchase price. If your in an area that meets promising rental criteria and the rents justify the purchase price, I would buy. If the value of the home dips, im still making passive income. Personally, I cant seem to swallow this thought.

    Would love to hear everyones input on this! Happy Memorial day weekend to all! Big thanks to those who serve and/or served in our military!

    Columbus, Cincinnati, and Cleveland, Ohio are the best markets to invest in real estate right now.

  • West Warwick, RI · Member since 2015 · 15 posts · 24 votes
    5y

    @Remington Lyman

    Can you provide insight as to why?

    Curious as to how other investors acquire their data / market analysis

  • Jonathan BombaciBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Lowell, MA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Fernando Vitorino we are still finding plenty of deals in all parts of MA for ourselves and for clients. Most of the time we're focusing on the cash on cash returns, not CAP rate since I feel leverage is BiG part of the game.
    We're still finding plenty of properties with +10% CoC returns even on MLS in markets like Lowell, Lynn, Worcester, Fitchburg, Gardner, and their surrounding areas. The trick is to find properties with a problem that you can easily solve. People are still lazy and we have built an incredible investor focused team of agents, lenders, attorneys, property managers, and contractors that "get it".

    There will be a bidding war on the "FHA eligible" triple decker with 1 vacant unit one one side of the street and then no one goes after the one on the other side which is almost identical but maybe has 1 tenant not paying rent, or the roof or siding need to be replaced, or it's being sold as a multi-family but it's actually condos, or the rents are stupid low and agents throw around the "won't pass self sufficiency" line without fully understanding it, or it fell out of contract due to a bad appraisal, or any of a million other issues that come up that many agents/buyers are too shortsighted or not educated enough to figure out. Develop a niche or something you're better at than most other investors and you will find plenty of good deals.

    We love to problem solve and in most cases can easily line up the team needed to address what ever issue we come across, many times before closing, and snatch up a great deal. We’re working to close a 4 unit that had 3 tenants not paying rent. It sat on the market for a while and everyone was afraid of it. Our client put in a lowball offer with the contingency that the 3 tenants be out prior to closing and don’t worry we’ll extend as long as it takes  for the seller to get them out. It’s been 2 months but all 3 of them are scheduled to be out by 6/15 and we plan to close on or before 6/30. 

    I think my team put in over 7 offers for clients just today. A cold Rainy Saturday on a holiday weekend, yeah we made plans all week to take advantage of that intersection that will lead to a lot less competition this weekend. Open house traffic drops in rainy days and on holiday weekends so we're all out trying to take advantage of this small window in the insanely hot sellers market to get things under contract. That being said we closed on 7 properties for ourselves and clients just last week and I personally analyzed at least 3 deals last week that would be over 10% CoC returns within 12 months of ownership. I don't analyze many deals myself anymore but we train our agents and clients on how to do it so we're all on the same page when out hunting for properties.

    Another example of a good deal even in the crazy market: We're closing a 132 unit site property in Lowell in June it's a 6.8CAP on day one but it'll cashflow on day 1 since it's a $15M loan below 4% interest. Once the property is stabilized it'll be 13%+ CoC returns and will be over a 8.5 CAP. It won't be an easy project and it'll take 18-24 months to get it there but the juice is certainly worth the squeeze.

    I hope this helps,

    Best,

    Jon

  • Lender · Miami, FL · Member since 2021 · 3 posts · 2 votes
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    @Jorge Vazquez

    Your thesis and research is spot. We are working on the capital stack for 2-flagged hotels in QOZs for an investment group out of Canada. They have 30% of the equity and the right location. It’s always credit and collateral. We love Tampa / St Pete.

  • Rental Property Investor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2018 · 97 posts · 66 votes
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    @Fernando Vitorino

    I live and invest in Columbus OH. All of my properties in the Linden area zip code 43211 have went up in value between 30-65% in value in the past 3 years. One House that I bought in Jan. 3018 for $65k (I overpaid for at the time) just got appraised last month for $138.5k!!! And I haven't done anything besides a little bit of paint and I did about $1500 in new flooring. I can't speak for all the other cities out there obviously, but Columbus OH has been VERY nice to me as of lately! :)

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Fernando Vitorino:

    @Remington Lyman

    Can you provide insight as to why?

    Curious as to how other investors acquire their data / market analysis

     Saw you dudes were talking about Cleveland. If you're looking for some more insight into Cleveland give The Ultimate Guide to Grading Cleveland Neighborhoods a read.

  • Corby GoadeBusiness Member
    Investor · Boise, ID · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    5y

    I invest in Boise, ID, and have been for the last 20 years. Property values have doubled in the last three years, rents have nearly done the same. Zero crime, high quality tenants, high quality of life. I have several SFH that either I bought or my clients bought and they have $100-150k in equity in less than a year just due to appreciation.

  • Ryan KellyBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Austin, TX · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Fernando Vitorino just curious, why would you stop investing in RI when you know it so well and understand the numbers? Sounds like your market will still have better deals than most of the “growth” cities around the country. Keep on doing what you are doing!

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  • West Warwick, RI · Member since 2015 · 15 posts · 24 votes
    5y

    @Ryan Kelly Not necessarily seeking investment opportunities elsewhere. Personally, I am fed up with the current market environment in my city/state. Rather than maintaining a frustrating pursuit for that next deal, I took a step back and decided to rekindle my BiggerPockets involvement. I wanted to know how other markets, investors, and economies are getting through the current conditions and whether or not there is value/opportunity elsewhere. I wanted reassurance, confidence in my current market of expertise. After receiving insight from everyone hear on BP it seems as though my initial thought process is validated. There seems to be tremendous opportunities in many cities throughout the U.S. however in most cases rents do not justify purchase price in these locations nor do property values seem to reflect a healthy trend. In some cases im still calculating suitable cap rates but as @Jay Hinrichs put it, rental income is simply one component and not always the most important. 

    Its important to note, my math is based off a situation where one would take advantage of an FHA type financing with 3%-5% down. Not that I personally need to use this type of financing but, through my fiancé, we have the ability to use this. In 2015 I bought a 3 unit in a C class area for 145k using FHA. Turn key, completed updated with new electrical, plumbing, furnaces, etc. This was a section 8 property. My monthly return was $975 while occupying one of the3 units. This type of situation is very hard to find these days. And it seems as though the nicer the property and the better the area, the less overall return.

    Based on everyone's feedback, im motivated to continue the pursuit in my state. Great investors find great deals no matter where they invest. I don't see significant justification in investing in any one particular state unless I were to physically move to that state based on recent analysis. This is especially considering the hassle of dealing with long distance property up-keep.

  • West Warwick, RI · Member since 2015 · 15 posts · 24 votes
    5y

    @Corby Goade

    Thanks for the insight. It seems as though Boise Idaho is definitely a promising rental hotspot. Personally, I look for properties with three or more units. Preferably a four unit in which three of the unit cover the mortgage. Not sure if you I see a lot of these types of properties in your area at entertaining price points? That being said based on your feedback, it seems as though the time to have gotten into your rental market was a few years back. I’d argue that you’d probably be overpaying in today’s conditions. As is the case in most cities. What are your thoughts?

    This obviously excludes off market deals, whole sale deals, cash deals.. etc

  • Rental Property Investor · Bloomfield, NJ · Member since 2020 · 138 posts · 128 votes
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    @Corby Goade

    Can you elaborate more on Boise? I’m interested

  • West Warwick, RI · Member since 2015 · 15 posts · 24 votes
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    @Jonathan Bombaci

    Hey Jonathan. Awesome insight. Thanks for that. I totally agree with the points you made although I would argue that cash on cash return is a scary thing for me at the moment simply because the next 6 to 12 months could put a lot of investors cash on cash return in negative territory based on an increase in foreclosures, the Fed increasing rates, and an overall increase in inventory. Does this effect your decision making at all? Do you see a case where loans will be under water once some if not all of these things occur?

    Also - I have witnessed a ton of investors in my area taking Bostonian tenants by the masses throughout the last year. I myself have an MIT professor in one of my units? Have you seen a lot of Boston foreclosures as a result of tenants leaving the city?

    Do you see a case where property values in Boston have decreased as a result. Coupled with this, do you think that now would be the time to buy a property in Boston based on the fact that people will eventually return to the city thus increasing demand and the price of rent?

    I have a good friend who works at a major financial institution in Boston. Once Covid hit, he purchased a single-family in Ludlow Vermont where currently works from home. He still pays 2200 in rent for his apartment in Southie Boston simply because he does not know if he will ever have to return to the office. He notes that $2200 is a very cheap rate. this is crazy!

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