Rental Kitchen Cabinets: Is it worth it to buy more expensive?

Rental Kitchen Cabinets: Is it worth it to buy more expensive?

Rental Property Investor · Delray Beach, FL · Member since 2014 · 224 posts · 169 votes

I am remodeling a small kitchen (70 SF) I have on a house I have under contract right now. The kitchen is old and dingy, and I wanted to change it out so that we can add a dishwasher to the space (there currently isn't one, which I know will hurt rents). I had budgeted about $4500 for the kitchen, but early bids have it closer to a $6500-$7000 project (which seems like a ton for such a small kitchen just to change cabinets, countertop, and buy refurbished appliances, but I could be wrong). We're also already about $6k over budget without factoring in anything over $4500 for the kitchen.

My property manager and his contractor have been trying to sell me on using nicer wood cabinets, which we could get for about $2800. I know we can get the cheap stock wood cabinets at Home Depot for closer to $1300. While obviously there is a difference in quality and lifespan, I wonder if it just makes more sense fiscally to buy the stock cabinets? It is a rental property after-all, and at that price I can basically buy those same cabinets twice for the same cost as the nicer ones. However, the contractor thinks it's a bad idea.

Anybody have any experience with cabinet decisions on rental properties? Does it pay to pay up or should I just take the immediate savings using the HD cabinets?

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Investor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2017 · 861 posts · 1k+ votes
8y

The cheap particle-board cabinets do wear out fast in tougher environments. They swell up when wet, and don't take heavy use as well. The drawer slides have plastic parts that break easily, and the doors go all wonky. Also the holes where screws and shelf supports go can get all loose and make parts wiggle. 

If you can, go take a look at the more expensive cabinets and their internal parts, and compare them to the cheap stuff. If they are both particle board with plastic parts inside, you're likely just being upsold. If its much more sturdy with real wood, all-metal parts, etc, I'd strongly consider it.  (At a reasonable price.. Those prices seem really high for me, but I keep close eye on everything and don't have any middlemen) 

If you do go with the cheap cabinets, put a layer of plywood down under the sink pipes to catch drips. That will be the first place to go. Also, I actually remove dishwashers (and disposals) from my rentals, as they do tend to cause a lot of problems with water leaks, plumbing issues and maintenance. 

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  • Real Estate Agent · Orlando, FL · Member since 2015 · 126 posts · 74 votes
    8y
    I use RTA plywood cabinets in our flips. 2-3k for a small kitchen, and they look and feel high end. Our supplier assembled them for us and drivers to the site ready to install. You can find an installer for under 1k.
  • Developer · Boston, MA · Member since 2014 · 88 posts · 56 votes
    8y

    I use the Wolf Classic Line in all of my rental properties. For the cost you cant go wrong, they are solid cabinets and they are Quick Ship so you can get them in a week. Super convenient. 

    Ive also Cabinets to Go, IKEA, and some other RTA cabinets. By the time you pay someone to put them together, you've exceeded the cost of getting normal cabinets. With IKEA, you really need to find someone who has the experience and patience to work with them as they are a PITA to assemble. The benefit is they hang on a rail, so once they are assembled they go up quickly. 

  • Somerville, MA · Member since 2017 · 21 posts · 14 votes
    8y

    I've had good luck with Fabuwood cabinets.  Very inexpensive but solidly built.  Just don't order from them in the fall if you are on a tight schedule as they strictly observe the Jewish holidays during that time and there could(will) be delays.

  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    8y
    It is about 13 linear feet of lowers and also uppers if i read it right and you have a freestanding range.
  • Rental Property Investor · Delray Beach, FL · Member since 2014 · 224 posts · 169 votes
    8y

    @Brian Reiner They look great. Were these for rentals or flips? If they were rentals, how did it impact demand? I do worry if they're a bit too niche for a rental (granted this is a 2/1, so it's probably going to be rented by someone young without a family. I think they'd be less fickle).

  • Charleston, WV · Member since 2017 · 113 posts · 50 votes
    8y
    Box cabinets from Home Depot or lowes. Wait to get a 20% off coupon. Saves thousands
  • Attorney · Miami, FL · Member since 2017 · 108 posts · 113 votes
    8y

    Home depot has a line of hampton bay cabinets that are an upgrade from the standard off the shelf ones. You have to special order them from the cabinet department. They are good quality and my GC liked them alot. I originally had my doubts, but they are good quality for a rental. No pressboard or mdf.  We did our galley style kitchen for about 2500 bucks. 

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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    8y

    If you're going to use box store cabinets you might as well get the unfinished ones at Lowe's. They have Oak hardwood frames and doors. The boxes and drawers are cheap but so are the rest of the box store cabinets. Your problem areas on cabinets will always be drawers, shelves & shelf pin holes, sink base water damage, and upper cabinet separation from weight. These problems are all amplified on cheaper cabinets. If you want/have to go cheap, try to mitigate these issues as much as possible: use smaller width upper cabinets (to limit the weight that can be stacked in it) with breaks if possible, smaller width drawers (same reason), lining or similar inside sink base parts *AND* on the base cabinet "feet" (the parts of the cabinets that sit on the floor - a quick poly or cheap paint is fine). If you have, or can make, arrangements for a pantry - even if it's a stand-alone cabinet - it will go a long, long way towards not destroying your cabinets, as renters will stack canned goods and heavy plates everywhere in uppers if there's no other options. 

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  • Rental Property Investor · Chappaqua, NY · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 947 votes
    8y

    This is a 2200 iKea kitchen.  The door style is grimslov.  These are all drawers. On the lowers except the sink base.  The pantry in the corner is 450 with the nicer doors.  

    To bring the cost down I eliminate the pantry and replace with and upper and lower -200 use cheaper doors -800 use fewer drawers also brings down the price. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Chappaqua, NY · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 947 votes
    8y
    Garrett Hogan I put the Ikea’s together with my kids. It takes about 15-20 minutes per box and I leave the doors for my cabinet guys. I used a carpenter once and he had a pile of hardware at the end. He didn’t like the Ikea system so he just rigged them and made a mess of a few boxes. I think it’s too easy for carpenters and he complained forever. Lately I try to HS or college kids to do that. I pay them 12 or 15 tops an hour. JD Martin I’ve seen those cabs in Lowe’s. The price is pretty comparable to Ikea but the quality to me is a world apart. I’ve seen those oak frames And doors separated from the boxes in the aisle. The doors were so badly warped they would never be fixed. They were using the really cheap glue board the last time I saw them but it was a while ago. I’ll take a look again. How are you finishing them? That’s got to be a bit of time.
  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    8y
    You have 6 lowers and maybe 8 uppers. Make a cabinet lis,go to to the online retailers, plug in the closest dimension cabinets and see the cost. cliqstudios, cabinets to go, ikea.... i think there is one right in florida too. You can use filler for small differences. Also try one of those craigslist guys that does the rta put together for you. You really can get solid nice looking cabinets for decent prices. I bought a cabinet display for one house that is a huge selling point. You probably dont have time for that. Verify that what they say is the cost really reflects cabinet cost.
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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @John Hickey:

    Garrett Hogan I put the Ikea’s together with my kids. It takes about 15-20 minutes per box and I leave the doors for my cabinet guys. I used a carpenter once and he had a pile of hardware at the end. He didn’t like the Ikea system so he just rigged them and made a mess of a few boxes.

    I think it’s too easy for carpenters and he complained forever.

    Lately I try to HS or college kids to do that. I pay them 12 or 15 tops an hour.

    JD Martin I’ve seen those cabs in Lowe’s. The price is pretty comparable to Ikea but the quality to me is a world apart. I’ve seen those oak frames And doors separated from the boxes in the aisle. The doors were so badly warped they would never be fixed. They were using the really cheap glue board the last time I saw them but it was a while ago. I’ll take a look again.

    How are you finishing them? That’s got to be a bit of time.

     We don't have IKEA here so that's not an option. You have to look carefully at those cabinets, that's true, but that's mostly from the lazy Lowe's employees that smash them with the forklifts. The sides and back are 1/2" particleboard, glued and stapled, just like the other prefab cabinets at Lowe's. Finishing is simple: a quick one-over sand & tack and 3 coats of poly. Easy to touch up later when they get chipped and scuffed.

    I'm not saying this is high quality stuff, but it's suitable for high C/ low B rentals where I am. It lasts as long as more expensive prefabs if you take the precautions I mentioned. And it's crazy inexpensive; you can do a 10x10 for less than $1000.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Delray Beach, FL · Member since 2014 · 224 posts · 169 votes
    8y

    @John Hickey What style of Ikea cabinets are those? I went to Ikea last night just to look at their selection, but I was confused out of my mind (and there were no employees there to help). I couldn't figure out if I was just buying doors or boxes. If I couldn't figure it out, then I wouldn't be sure what to tell whomever I hire to assemble them (I'm buying from long-distance so DIY is not an option).

    @Colleen F.

    @Colleen F. Thanks for the advice. It all depends on what I can find at this point. Everyone keeps saying a 10x10 kitchen should be no more than $1500 in materials, yet I can't find anything for under $2200 for my 8x8 kitchen. I'm pretty close to just not doing the new kitchen, and instead trying to salvage the old one.

  • Rental Property Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 325 posts · 253 votes
    8y
    I always go with cheap HD cabinets, white ones or Oak ones and put nice counter top. Not granite though but the color. Tenants don't always take good care of pricy cabinets. I personally wouldn't consider expensive items without payback. Let's say if you install Mahagony cabinets at $6000 and are able to raise rent just for that fact by $200 per month, you still have two plus year payback. Totally not worth it. on the other hand the same does not apply to HVAC because without it you can't rent the place. Just my two cents.
  • Rental Property Investor · Chappaqua, NY · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 947 votes
    8y

    @Jason L.

    This is a 10x10.  There are a few more cabinets out of the shot but this was the only pic I had.  The fridge is blocking the view and I only had a minute.  Never took after pics bc the apt rented to quick.  

    I don’t know how much his cost bc I bought two kitchens at once.  This is the cheaper door style and it was 1400 for both Kitchens.  This one had a few more cabs so probably 800. 

    I would use a handy man to put together.  I never give this to carpenters.  Wrong tool. 

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  • Rental Property Investor · Delray Beach, FL · Member since 2014 · 224 posts · 169 votes
    8y

    @John Hickey Do you know which style of cabinet those are from Ikea? 

    Honestly, I just can't figure out Ikea's website or inventory. That alone makes me want to just cheaply save the old kitchen I have rather than go through the trouble.

  • Rental Property Investor · Chappaqua, NY · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 947 votes
    8y

    If you lay it out yourself you just need the salesperson to ring you up. If you want help with layout go late on a weekday say 8-9pm

    The door style above is here it’s very low priced.. https://m.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/art/40266776/

    This kitchen that’s nicer was grimslov.  I do the cheaper...(veddigne) in lower priced rentals say 1200-1500 grimslov I’ve put in luxury rentals 3-6k and my own home.  

    Here’s the grimslov in my house.  50’ linear feet and all pull out drawers with more hidden drawers.  That was 6400, if I didn’t do all drawers I could have cut the price by 1500-2000. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Chappaqua, NY · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 947 votes
    8y

    @Jason L. I never, ever use the website.  It’s maddening. I would say the worst thing about Ikea is going there or trying to use the website.  But it’s the only way I can pass framing in the morning and have the cabinets that night.  

  • Evergreen Park, IL · Member since 2016 · 138 posts · 59 votes
    8y

    Another vote for plywood. The particle board stuff falls apart. So even if its not an A class property, the cabinets will last longer. We have all wood cabinets that are literally 50 years old in some of our units. Only things we have done to them are new hardware and re-stain and polyurethane every few years.

  • Rental Property Investor · Butler, NJ · Member since 2018 · 10 posts · 1 vote
    8y
    Do you people use granite countertops or other ?
  • Rental Property Investor · Delray Beach, FL · Member since 2014 · 224 posts · 169 votes
    8y

    @John Hickey Thanks for the advice on changing hardware and re-staining to keep the new cabinets fresh. I suppose if this useful life could be 50 years like that, then I probably should consider just going over budget anyway since it'll lower my CapEx in the future.

  • Realtor and Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    The Home Depot has great stained (and raw) cabinets, but don't do the white ones there.  They aren't a painted finish.  They are veneer....which peels over time and also yellows.  You will end up with the same dingy cabinets you have now.

    IF you want to do WHITE cabinets, go to Lowes.  They have a great painted white shaker cabinet.  They also have a good cabinet mix including lazy susans, corner cabs, corner blinds, pantry, and so forth.

    These cabinets are already cheap, but they often go 20% off.  If either HD or Lowes has the 20% off sale, take it to the other because they price match.  ALSO, if you are a vet, you can get 10% off.  Lastly, take the entirety of your order over $1,500 (appliances, cabinets, other supplies) up to the Pro desk and have them submit it to the bid room for a further discount.  Both Lowes and HD have a pro desk for this.

    I have included some pix of a small kitchen project that we just completed.  These are Lowes white shaker (in stock) cabinets.  We took a galley kitchen and turned it into a U shaped kitchen.

    Best of luck to you!

    With a nice backsplash, and some hardware, you can fancy it up with very little in your budget.

    BTW, we had a 5" space on one side of the stove, which would've gone wasted.  I ordered a spice cabinet on amazon for like $80 for the top and bottom that pull out.  We attached the Lowes trim to the front of them and the hardware.  They gave the kitchen a custom feel.

  • Evergreen Park, IL · Member since 2016 · 138 posts · 59 votes
    8y

    @Jason L. I thought I was the only one who hated the Ikea website! lol. So its not just me...

  • Webster Groves, MO · Member since 2018 · 24 posts · 12 votes
    8y
    We use builders grade cabinets at a place called Hoods Discount store but the price is similar to the in stock cabinets at Home Depot or Lowes. My experience is that it doesn’t matter how nice or high-end the cabinets are. If the tenants are going to damage them, they’re going to be destroyed no matter how nice. My recommendation would be to use builders grade, get a nice security deposit up front and go after them when they leave if they’ve damaged them.
  • Investor · Trafalgar, IN · Member since 2016 · 95 posts · 58 votes
    8y
    Higher quality cabinets and new appliances.....refurbished isn’t going to save you any money in the long run. Buying a whole package is cheap when buying at the big box stores....negotiate a little and you’ll be even better....you’ll get a better quality tenant even if you don’t get a ton more rent, which to me, is priceless. Good luck
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