A move from California to Texas could save a million dollars. Many Americans are opti

A move from California to Texas could save a million dollars. Many Americans are opti

Dan BurstainBusiness Member
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A move from California to Texas could save a million dollars. Many Americans are opting in

Swapna Venugopal Ramaswamy USA TODAY July 4, 2023https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/07/04/california-to-texas-move-rising-popularity/70374012007/

The exodus of people from California to Texas is picking up steam.

In 2021, it was the most popular interstate move in the country, with 111,000 people – or 300 people a day – headed to the Lone Star from the Golden State, a whopping 80% increase compared to 2012, according to an analysis of U.S. Census and IPUMS data by StorageCafé.

During the pandemic, as remote work became a reality for many, the trend of people moving from high-cost cities to more affordable areas began started taking root.

The number of people leaving the Golden State for Texas has grown by 36% between 2016 and 2021 while the migration stream from all other states to Texas did not change, rising a mere 0.1%, according to data from the American Community Survey 5-Year Estimates.

“The steep housing prices and cost of living in California represent major reasons,” for the movement, says Prof. Rogelio Saenz, department of demography, at the University of Texas at San Antonio. “One way to assess the difficulties in purchasing a home in California or Texas is to compute the ratio of the median household income to the median home value in each state.”

According to the 2021 American Community 1-Year Estimates, the value of homes was $7.63 for every $1 of household income in California in 2021 compared to $3.55 per $1 in Texas. The median value of a home in California was 2.7 times higher than in Texas in 2021.

The continual soaring housing prices and cost of living in California and much greater affordability in Texas is likely to sustain the significant flows of Californians toward Texas in the coming decades, he says.

Lower housing costs, affordability in Texas

Other than lower housing costs, the factors that make Texas attractive to Californians are the no-income tax policy, the lower cost of living and employment opportunities bolstered by the tech and energy sectors. Utilities are generally lower-priced in Texas as well, roughly 20% less than in California.

On the business front, Texas has actively pursued an economic strategy that includes creating a business-friendly environment that helped not only to retain businesses but also attract new ones. Over 100 companies moved their headquarters to Texas since 2020, with 40% of them coming from California.


Who’s moving to Texas? Millennials.

Most people moving from California to Texas are millennials, making up 46% of those decamping to Texas.

Millennials who moved to Texas had an average household income of $114,000 per year, 21% more than what millennials bring home overall at a national level ($94,000 per year).

The million-dollar difference

Homes cost, on average, about $282,000 less in Texas compared to California, amounting to a 70% price-tag difference.

In particular, two moving routes can result in savings of over $1 million. Buying a home in the Dallas area as opposed to one in San Jose can result in savings of over $1 million on average, as the home price difference between Santa Clara and Dallas counties is a whopping 258%.

The second biggest difference in listing prices is between San Mateo and Travis counties, at 243%, giving homebuyers a chance of nearly $1.3 million on average in savings.

Most Californians can save over $1,000 in rent when moving to Texas

In 18 of the moving routes, renters can save over $1,000 a month in Texas as compared to in their Californian county of origin. Not only that, but they can also make hefty savings if they switch renting from one state to the other. Except for the Los Angeles County to Collin County route, renters pay over 50% more in California versus their Texas destinations.

For instance, a move from Los Angeles to El Paso can save renters $1, 578 per month.

The second-best savings go to those moving from the San Diego area to San Antonio, with a 110% difference in rental rates, a saving of roughly $1,470 on rent per month.

Is everything big in Texas?

On average, homeowners get to enjoy 17% bigger homes in Texas versus California whereas apartments are about 6% larger.

For those prioritizing living space at home, a move from Los Angeles County to Collin County would be the most rewarding. This route brings the most space gains for both homebuyers (1,055 sq. ft.) and apartment dwellers (124 sq. ft.).

Besides the Los Angeles County to Collin County moving route, Californians get to enjoy an additional 1,000 square feet of living space when they buy a home after traveling on two other moving routes to Collin County: From Santa Clara County to Collin (1,002+ sq. ft.) and from Orange to Collin (1,000+ sq. ft.). In both cases, Californians get a home that’s on average 57% larger than the ones in their state of origin. Switching Los Angeles County for Denton County will also bring newcomers from the Golden State an additional 930+ square feet of living space at home.

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Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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All the Californians are moving to Texas and all the Texans are moving to Colorado, lol.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Streetman, TX · Member since 2018 · 528 posts · 495 votes
    3y

    Whats always missing in these analysis is the difference in wage scale between TX and CA.  After 20 years in TX my wife and I moved from Collin County to Santa Clara county.  My wife worked for Collin County and found a similar job in Santa Clara county.  Her wages literally doubled, plus she earned a very good pension in CA vs nothing in TX.  I worked as an engineer in hi-tech and my wages doubled as well.  We enjoyed a very high standard of living in CA.  

    What is also missing is property taxes.  Property taxes are outrageous in TX and go up every year.  Our property tax bill went down when moving to CA, plus with Prop 13 they don't go up.  Unlike TX, no fear of being taxed out of your home in CA.

  • Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    3y

    All the Californians are moving to Texas and all the Texans are moving to Colorado, lol.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Pete Harper:

    Whats always missing in these analysis is the difference in wage scale between TX and CA.  After 20 years in TX my wife and I moved from Collin County to Santa Clara county.  My wife worked for Collin County and found a similar job in Santa Clara county.  Her wages literally doubled, plus she earned a very good pension in CA vs nothing in TX.  I worked as an engineer in hi-tech and my wages doubled as well.  We enjoyed a very high standard of living in CA.  

    What is also missing is property taxes.  Property taxes are outrageous in TX and go up every year.  Our property tax bill went down when moving to CA, plus with Prop 13 they don't go up.  Unlike TX, no fear of being taxed out of your home in CA.


    Also your comparing the highest priced areas of CA with lower priced to medium priced Texas. if they ran comps on  Sacramento gold country  East bay  inland empire etc etc.. there would not be this huge difference.. Plus there simply is no comparison in the weather and access to Ocean that is blue and nice and big moutians national forests etc.  Better comparison would be Prime areas of Austin and Dallas with prime areas of CA..  there is a reason prime CA prices are where they are at. Being here in Oregon of course half this state came from Ca including me. And also a lot of CA folks Mainly Socal are going to Vegas prices same as Texas with no state income tax and much much much lower prop tax's.. Renters I can see the advantage since they dont pay prop tax's but someone buying a 1 million dollar home in Texas is going to spend more on prop tax's than the savings be spouted about in this article.
  • Real Estate Broker · Rocklin, CA · Member since 2020 · 221 posts · 82 votes
    3y

    The grass is always greener on the other side. I'm not moving anywhere from CA.

  • Real Estate Agent · WA · Member since 2021 · 254 posts · 173 votes
    3y

    "Be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful"

  • Rental Property Investor · Streetman, TX · Member since 2018 · 528 posts · 495 votes
    3y

    To put the 111,000 people into perspective.  There are over 40 million people living in California.  That represents less than 0.3% of the population.  Not exactly a "mass" exodus.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Pete Harper:

    To put the 111,000 people into perspective.  There are over 40 million people living in California.  That represents less than 0.3% of the population.  Not exactly a "mass" exodus.


    Actually now closer to 39 mil and dropping like a rock. Approx 1000 people per day leaving Cali according to US Census. You can twist the numbers however you like, but I think that qualifies as a 'mass exodus'. And the Cali Govt is worried, that's why there has been talk of an 'exit tax' for years now....

    And sorry TX fans, but Florida and AZ are the top 2 states receiving these 'refugees' from Cali :-)

    CA lost a House Seat and Electoral College votes and is experiencing population drop for the first time in modern history. Here's a very recent article from this May. There has been a Net Loss of more than 500,000 or approx the state of Montana!

    https://ktla.com/news/californ...

  • Peter MckernanBusiness Member
    Residential Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Pete Harper:

    Whats always missing in these analysis is the difference in wage scale between TX and CA.  After 20 years in TX my wife and I moved from Collin County to Santa Clara county.  My wife worked for Collin County and found a similar job in Santa Clara county.  Her wages literally doubled, plus she earned a very good pension in CA vs nothing in TX.  I worked as an engineer in hi-tech and my wages doubled as well.  We enjoyed a very high standard of living in CA.  

    What is also missing is property taxes.  Property taxes are outrageous in TX and go up every year.  Our property tax bill went down when moving to CA, plus with Prop 13 they don't go up.  Unlike TX, no fear of being taxed out of your home in CA.


    Also your comparing the highest priced areas of CA with lower priced to medium priced Texas. if they ran comps on  Sacramento gold country  East bay  inland empire etc etc.. there would not be this huge difference.. Plus there simply is no comparison in the weather and access to Ocean that is blue and nice and big moutians national forests etc.  Better comparison would be Prime areas of Austin and Dallas with prime areas of CA..  there is a reason prime CA prices are where they are at. Being here in Oregon of course half this state came from Ca including me. And also a lot of CA folks Mainly Socal are going to Vegas prices same as Texas with no state income tax and much much much lower prop tax's.. Renters I can see the advantage since they dont pay prop tax's but someone buying a 1 million dollar home in Texas is going to spend more on prop tax's than the savings be spouted about in this article.

     Yes, and a lot of people are moving back. I have a had two clients recently; one that moved to Texas from Orange County and the other that moved to the midwest that are moving back due to weather etc. I am all for moving to adjust in life style, landlord laws, taxes and much more; however, there are a lot of people that have made the move out and then came back due to weather and other local environment that was not as friendly as California. It is tough to come back to a state with a lot of challenges, and tough to leave. It makes me think when I get calls like this within the last two weeks of people coming back, what will the next 1-2 years look like. There will not be a gold rush, but there are a lot of people that do come back due to many reasons. 

    All-in-all, move not only for tax savings or other legal rules but overall life reasons (family, friends, money, beliefs, politics, weather, and so on). 

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Peter Mckernan:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Pete Harper:

    Whats always missing in these analysis is the difference in wage scale between TX and CA.  After 20 years in TX my wife and I moved from Collin County to Santa Clara county.  My wife worked for Collin County and found a similar job in Santa Clara county.  Her wages literally doubled, plus she earned a very good pension in CA vs nothing in TX.  I worked as an engineer in hi-tech and my wages doubled as well.  We enjoyed a very high standard of living in CA.  

    What is also missing is property taxes.  Property taxes are outrageous in TX and go up every year.  Our property tax bill went down when moving to CA, plus with Prop 13 they don't go up.  Unlike TX, no fear of being taxed out of your home in CA.


    Also your comparing the highest priced areas of CA with lower priced to medium priced Texas. if they ran comps on  Sacramento gold country  East bay  inland empire etc etc.. there would not be this huge difference.. Plus there simply is no comparison in the weather and access to Ocean that is blue and nice and big moutians national forests etc.  Better comparison would be Prime areas of Austin and Dallas with prime areas of CA..  there is a reason prime CA prices are where they are at. Being here in Oregon of course half this state came from Ca including me. And also a lot of CA folks Mainly Socal are going to Vegas prices same as Texas with no state income tax and much much much lower prop tax's.. Renters I can see the advantage since they dont pay prop tax's but someone buying a 1 million dollar home in Texas is going to spend more on prop tax's than the savings be spouted about in this article.

     Yes, and a lot of people are moving back. I have a had two clients recently; one that moved to Texas from Orange County and the other that moved to the midwest that are moving back due to weather etc. I am all for moving to adjust in life style, landlord laws, taxes and much more; however, there are a lot of people that have made the move out and then came back due to weather and other local environment that was not as friendly as California. It is tough to come back to a state with a lot of challenges, and tough to leave. It makes me think when I get calls like this within the last two weeks of people coming back, what will the next 1-2 years look like. There will not be a gold rush, but there are a lot of people that do come back due to many reasons. 

    All-in-all, move not only for tax savings or other legal rules but overall life reasons (family, friends, money, beliefs, politics, weather, and so on). 


    When I was active doing some lending in Dallas Tx.. many times on my flight back to Portland as we flew right by Mt. Hood and it was looking stunning I would hear people say on the plane.. they would move form Texas if they had a chance.. but lots of people say that when the sun in shinning in Oregon :)  not so much in January.
  • Melanie ThomasBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · San Antonio · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 490 votes
    3y

    Tons and tons of CA investors flocking to TX! San Antonio & Austin to be specific. Everything is bigger in TX, including the margins! Good luck & happy investing!

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  • Sam YinPro Member
    Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2021 · 584 posts · 738 votes
    3y

    Climate and geography is something you cannot change. Its difficult to compare any other state to CA. I been to 49 of them.

    As investors, or aspiring investors, we should focus on what will make you happier or feel more fulfilled so that you can remain motivated to invest. If the cost of something is too high, then allocate investments to cover that cost and move one to the next hurdle.

    If you like TX, make investment moves that will set you financially free in TX money. If you like AZ or GA, then set up the foundation portfolio to cover the comfortable cost of living there.

    I like the geography and climate of CA. I do like AZ and ID as well. But CA is so large from North to South that you can find the perfect weather and still have beaches and mountains withing reach. Thus, I set up my base investments to cover the costs of living here.

    This concept should be applied to all lifestyle costs. Because once its covered, you will feel free to take on more and grow. If you spend time looking for cheaper places to live, but giving up other intangibles, it may slow growth by demotivating you and separating you from networks you may have already established, knowingly/unknowingly.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Sam Yin:


    This concept should be applied to all lifestyle costs. Because once its covered, you will feel free to take on more and grow. If you spend time looking for cheaper places to live, but giving up other intangibles, it may slow growth by demotivating you and separating you from networks you may have already established, knowingly/unknowingly.

    You neglect to include the onus of politics. Maybe not a big deal to you, but huge to many. And should not be neglected in the decision in where to invest...
  • Sam YinPro Member
    Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2021 · 584 posts · 738 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Sam Yin:


    This concept should be applied to all lifestyle costs. Because once its covered, you will feel free to take on more and grow. If you spend time looking for cheaper places to live, but giving up other intangibles, it may slow growth by demotivating you and separating you from networks you may have already established, knowingly/unknowingly.

    You neglect to include the onus of politics. Maybe not a big deal to you, but huge to many. And should not be neglected in the decision in where to invest...
    Bruce,

    True.  I did not think to add the political aspect. If I said I did that on purpose to keep politics out of the posts... I would be lying. You brought up a very fair point.


    I acknowledge that it is important and some investors overcome it, relocating to feel more comfortable. It is a real concern. Its is a topic my wife and I debate more often as we get older.

    Funny part is that I started off very conservative because of my upbringing.  I say that light heartedly because my conservative might scare most conservatives of the last several generations. It's a product of my culture and childhood. My wife, on the other hand, started off very rebellious. I have known her since high school and she was always the metal/rock atheist that did anything to rebel against society.  

    As we grew older and had children, I began to be more patient and accepting. Still conservative and very traditional, but not as radical as I use to be. I assimilated to American culture. As I moved up into public management, the organizational policies forced me to adopt more liberal views as politics evolved. Luckily REI allowed me retire early and to break free from it and erased the burdens of workplace politics in a big city.

    On the other hand, as my wife got older and had to deal with the students and staff at the college she works at, she has become ultra conservative. So much so that it sometimes suprises me, but its entertaining to watch. There have been many instances that I have had to remind her of our surroundings.

    I bring this up because I totally understand the frustration. I think that you can find communities within every state that fits your individual political values. HOWEVER, when it comes to governance/laws relating to Landlords/tenants, that's is totally out of our control and would be the defining factor for investors who do not want to deal with the socialist trend we are seeing.


    Here in CA, it has become very difficult for Landlords. I'm kicking out 2 tenants, one for non payment and the other for lease violations. It takes longer than neccessary. Back when I only had SFR, it was easier to just confront the tenant and aggressively help them understand that relocating is their best option. Now with multifamily units, there are just too many witnesses next door.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y

    @Sam Yin Lol, good story! Yes, it can certainly be a factor in where one decides to conduct their investment business. Really should be carefully considered....

  • Rental Property Investor · Streetman, TX · Member since 2018 · 528 posts · 495 votes
    3y

    This more recent data is counter to the article above.

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Pete Harper:

    This more recent data is counter to the article above.

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/...


     That article refers only to renters. The overall trend is still the same...

  • Sam YinPro Member
    Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2021 · 584 posts · 738 votes
    3y

    I have known several coworkers and extended family members who moved to TX. Some as far back as 30 years ago and some as recent as 2 years ago. Half of them moved back.

    Several cousins moved to TX between 15 to 30 years ago to expand their doughnut business. They did well. Some built mansions and others just kept expanding and eventually took their wealth back to Cambodia because they never got their US citizenship. But half moved back to CA. They brought their money back to reinvest in CA where it costs more.

    Some of my coworkers relocated to TX, ID, and TN in the last several years. All of them were mainly for political reasons. The cost of living savings was a major bonus, especially in retirement. None of them were investors. Half of them moved back to CA, and still bashing on the politics here. They continue to praise the politics elsewhere... may be not such ID, because it has shifted a bit due to migration. They regret the loss of wealth that occurred due to their change of heart.

    Point of the story is that climate is a major factor. It is much more so when the person has experienced the CA climate for any lengthy period of time.

    When I first came to America, I was dropped off in MD. I came from the jungles of Cambodia where it is tropical all year long. The first few years I lived in MD, the winter was cold and harsh and we had to dig ourselves out of the snow frequently. But I figured this is just what America is and I was good with it.

    THEN I MOVED TO LONG BEACH, CA. Wow! What a difference. The climate was amazing... DRY HEAT! When I was in the Army, I was in KY, MD, and GA. Since then, I have traveled to TX, ID, AR, CO, etc... many times, many seasons, and at length. It hard to beat CA climate. I think that is what draws people back, and to stay. It is expensive, buy you earn more money as well.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Sam Yin:

    I have known several coworkers and extended family members who moved to TX. Some as far back as 30 years ago and some as recent as 2 years ago. Half of them moved back.

    Several cousins moved to TX between 15 to 30 years ago to expand their doughnut business. They did well. Some built mansions and others just kept expanding and eventually took their wealth back to Cambodia because they never got their US citizenship. But half moved back to CA. They brought their money back to reinvest in CA where it costs more.

    Some of my coworkers relocated to TX, ID, and TN in the last several years. All of them were mainly for political reasons. The cost of living savings was a major bonus, especially in retirement. None of them were investors. Half of them moved back to CA, and still bashing on the politics here. They continue to praise the politics elsewhere... may be not such ID, because it has shifted a bit due to migration. They regret the loss of wealth that occurred due to their change of heart.

    Point of the story is that climate is a major factor. It is much more so when the person has experienced the CA climate for any lengthy period of time.

    When I first came to America, I was dropped off in MD. I came from the jungles of Cambodia where it is tropical all year long. The first few years I lived in MD, the winter was cold and harsh and we had to dig ourselves out of the snow frequently. But I figured this is just what America is and I was good with it.

    THEN I MOVED TO LONG BEACH, CA. Wow! What a difference. The climate was amazing... DRY HEAT! When I was in the Army, I was in KY, MD, and GA. Since then, I have traveled to TX, ID, AR, CO, etc... many times, many seasons, and at length. It hard to beat CA climate. I think that is what draws people back, and to stay. It is expensive, buy you earn more money as well.


    You are correct, that California climate is impossible to beat, probably the best in the world! The dozens of people I know that moved out all did it for political reasons, the big money savings was just a bonus....none have moved back that I know of...

    I'm originally from Virginia, talk about humid and hot! I can take the dry heat easily (hence my escape to Arizona :-) but no humidity for this boy!

    You can actually come out ahead moving back and forth if you do it right (Sell high, buy low cost fixers, sell high again a few times. I would actually be ahead if I moved back to Cali.....but no thank you, it has only gotten worse....

  • Sam YinPro Member
    Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2021 · 584 posts · 738 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Sam Yin:

    I have known several coworkers and extended family members who moved to TX. Some as far back as 30 years ago and some as recent as 2 years ago. Half of them moved back.

    Several cousins moved to TX between 15 to 30 years ago to expand their doughnut business. They did well. Some built mansions and others just kept expanding and eventually took their wealth back to Cambodia because they never got their US citizenship. But half moved back to CA. They brought their money back to reinvest in CA where it costs more.

    Some of my coworkers relocated to TX, ID, and TN in the last several years. All of them were mainly for political reasons. The cost of living savings was a major bonus, especially in retirement. None of them were investors. Half of them moved back to CA, and still bashing on the politics here. They continue to praise the politics elsewhere... may be not such ID, because it has shifted a bit due to migration. They regret the loss of wealth that occurred due to their change of heart.

    Point of the story is that climate is a major factor. It is much more so when the person has experienced the CA climate for any lengthy period of time.

    When I first came to America, I was dropped off in MD. I came from the jungles of Cambodia where it is tropical all year long. The first few years I lived in MD, the winter was cold and harsh and we had to dig ourselves out of the snow frequently. But I figured this is just what America is and I was good with it.

    THEN I MOVED TO LONG BEACH, CA. Wow! What a difference. The climate was amazing... DRY HEAT! When I was in the Army, I was in KY, MD, and GA. Since then, I have traveled to TX, ID, AR, CO, etc... many times, many seasons, and at length. It hard to beat CA climate. I think that is what draws people back, and to stay. It is expensive, buy you earn more money as well.


    You are correct, that California climate is impossible to beat, probably the best in the world! The dozens of people I know that moved out all did it for political reasons, the big money savings was just a bonus....none have moved back that I know of...

    I'm originally from Virginia, talk about humid and hot! I can take the dry heat easily (hence my escape to Arizona :-) but no humidity for this boy!

    You can actually come out ahead moving back and forth if you do it right (Sell high, buy low cost fixers, sell high again a few times. I would actually be ahead if I moved back to Cali.....but no thank you, it has only gotten worse....


     Hmmm... that's something worth considering.  I never really thought about that before....

    I was planning on getting a small place in AZ, may be near Williams. Even as a phantom rental after a small exchange,  but it can eventually serve as a primary that would cut the 13% by shifting out of CA.  


    Lots of good insight here. Hope the readers are paying close attention.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y

    We are currently about 40 miles south of williams. It is a cool little town! Lots of cool little towns around here, with great opportunities!

  • Sam YinPro Member
    Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2021 · 584 posts · 738 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    We are currently about 40 miles south of williams. It is a cool little town! Lots of cool little towns around here, with great opportunities!

    Bruce,

    Are you getting a heat wave in your area like I am here? I am asking because I will be traveling this weekend and I might head that way. I do not have a dedicated route. I just need to get to Vegas by Wednesday to pick up my mom from my sister's house. I have 5 days to do it, so I can take the direct route or the indirect route. I use it as an opportunity to look at different towns within driving range in case it's a cool place to settle. I was thinking of either heading up to Tahoe then looping south, or out to Williams then looping north.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Sam Yin:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    We are currently about 40 miles south of williams. It is a cool little town! Lots of cool little towns around here, with great opportunities!

    Bruce,

    Are you getting a heat wave in your area like I am here? I am asking because I will be traveling this weekend and I might head that way. I do not have a dedicated route. I just need to get to Vegas by Wednesday to pick up my mom from my sister's house. I have 5 days to do it, so I can take the direct route or the indirect route. I use it as an opportunity to look at different towns within driving range in case it's a cool place to settle. I was thinking of either heading up to Tahoe then looping south, or out to Williams then looping north.

     I don't know if I would call it a heat wave....? We are in the high 90s, but it's so dry you don't feel it if you're in the shade. No big deal. And Williams is a bit higher...temps should be in the low 90s there. It's where the locals around here go to 'cool off'! I love that town, great brewery and other restaurants......I would swing through Williams and then circle around the GC counter-clockwise (if you have the time), I hear that's an incredible drive...

  • Developer · Austin, TX · Member since 2018 · 23 posts · 15 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Sam Yin:

    Climate and geography is something you cannot change. Its difficult to compare any other state to CA. I been to 49 of them.

    As investors, or aspiring investors, we should focus on what will make you happier or feel more fulfilled so that you can remain motivated to invest. If the cost of something is too high, then allocate investments to cover that cost and move one to the next hurdle.

    If you like TX, make investment moves that will set you financially free in TX money. If you like AZ or GA, then set up the foundation portfolio to cover the comfortable cost of living there.

    I like the geography and climate of CA. I do like AZ and ID as well. But CA is so large from North to South that you can find the perfect weather and still have beaches and mountains withing reach. Thus, I set up my base investments to cover the costs of living here.

    This concept should be applied to all lifestyle costs. Because once its covered, you will feel free to take on more and grow. If you spend time looking for cheaper places to live, but giving up other intangibles, it may slow growth by demotivating you and separating you from networks you may have already established, knowingly/unknowingly.


     Amen to that my friend! 

  • Rental Property Investor · Centralia, WA · Member since 2017 · 75 posts · 85 votes
    3y

    @Jay Hinrichs

    I too live here in the PNW, just south of Olympia, WA.  It's beautiful outside, in the mid 60s, and I can see Mt Rainier from my front window.  It's awesome but then I have to remind myself, come the fall and especially November through March, the "weeping rain" and no sun for months will be upon us soon.  The summer is fleeting out here and I urged out of towners to visit the PNW during the fall/winter to see if they could handle the weather at that time.  I'm considering a second home to warmer, sunnier climates and return when the weather gets better.  

  • Developer · Austin, TX · Member since 2018 · 23 posts · 15 votes
    3y

    I am from Houston originally but have lived in Florida, Arkansas, and California plus spent a lot of time in a few other south western states.  I moved to Austin for the amazing high schools they have and that has turned out to be true and I have no regrets as one of my sons has now graduated and the other has 2 years left.  They adapted very well and are being taught a lot about entrepreneurship and personal responsibility there.  

    That said, Austin as a city has not been all that great for me.  People seam to be very self absorbed and self important which is not how it is anywhere else I have lived or visited outside of LA, but LA actually felt less like this due to the large amount of tourist in the mix that skewed the observation for sure.  Austin doesn't really offer anything that hundreds of other cities do not offer at a far more reasonable if not down right affordable price tag.  Oh, and yes, it is ridiculously hot and still has the possibility of winter storms.  It is less humid than Houston though so 100 feels better here than 95 in h-town imho.  I hate having sweat drenched clothing and Houston area in summer is miserable (so is Florida).

    I will be leaving Austin the month after my second son graduates and heading out to coastal Southern California.  The cost are higher than Austin but the value for me is worth far more than those cost.  People are always happy, kids are riding bikes with surfboards attached, playing with their friends on the beach, it is something that makes me feel alive inside.  The weather is 99% of the time great.  The opportunities for fun are always spot on as planning large scare events is easy as it almost never rains or storms.  Ever been to ACL Fest, it is awful.  Along the coast in SoCal there is something going on daily all year and it's enjoyable every time.  I am not saying life is perfect there but it is as close as I have found anywhere.

    Real estate in Austin is simply put just dumb.  I can't believe people would pay these prices for what you get.  I mean you get some rolling hills and short trees and pay double in everything compared to like Houston, which btw has access to the Gulf for world class fishing.  It is no Miami or San Diego but it's the beach.

    If I was only concerned with growing wealth in real estate and had it to do all over I would plant my butt in Houston and spend 15 years there heavily investing in real estate.  The market is stable and therefor reliable so you can plan your strategy without large swings.  Austin real estate is like picking a winning or losing stock, it is mostly luck.  Houston is more like $SPY it returns about the same amount every year for decades.  I like that.  I prefer dependable over lucky.

    If you were already invested in Austin before the Covid pop and sold, you experienced luck.  If you bought in late 2020 believing it would pop and sold in 2022 (I did a few of these) you were a smart calculated investor.  I made $100k buying two lots sight unseen and selling them and never physically went to those properties lol.  It was a great short term investment that was risky but only a 1% part of my overall strategy.  I mean, I bought Doge coin just before the big pop as well and made $55k while driving down I-10 in Arizona.  Total luck on that could have gone either way.

    I know I am rambling on, that is just me, but the point is - find a place that make you happy and make it work in that place.  If money is the number one thing then live where you believe you can make the most money whether you like the place or not and get busy making it happen.  Then move to where you want and live out your dreams.  I was late to this concept but I have taught my kids this and my 19 year old son owns $500k in real estate and makes $4300 a month bring home just using my advice (not my money).  The game is easier once you know the end goal.  Start with the end in mind and learn to overcome obstacle by being creative.

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