How do we solve the housing crisis in America???
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Henry ClarkPro Member
Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votesAlways start with the numbers. What market? How many? What is rental cost? What is ownership cost? What group of people?
By renting trailers you may be causing the problem. By selling houses to them you may be causing the problem. What are your numbers?
Approach the question backwards. How would I increase the number of people who can’t afford housing? Dissect the issue.
360,000,000 people.
How many can’t afford housing. What do you mean by can’t afford housing? Can’t buy? Can’t rent?
Why is it bad that x% can’t afford housing? Unless you’re homeless you have housing. Are you talking about homeless? Define the who.
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- Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes2yit makes sense actually, because for every transaction seller has to allocate 7% to agents so in other words, price virtually inflated to accommodate the agent. The 7% in reality , is equal to 18 months appreciation by average.
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Quote from @Ivan Terrero:
@Ralph Nagle......maybe it is misguided government policy that creates more problems when they make laws that don't make sense?
They are without question the prime enablers. It's the cobra effect.
They are considering 50 year mortgages in the UK to combat their housing crisis. Anyone think that will work? perfect example
- 2yTheresa HarrisPro MemberMember since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
Quote from @Steve K.:
I'd like to see an eventual return of the the first-time homebuyer tax credit that we had in 2008-2010 (up to $8k). Legislation to create a new version, which would contribute up to $15,000 towards the down payment for first time home buyers, was introduced in 2021. But it has not passed in Congress. It would not have made sense to add fuel to the already overheated market of 2021, but I think it would make sense to bring the tax credit back if the market continues cooling into 2024.
Canada did that. First time home buyers can get 5-10% of the purchase price from the government. It is interest free, but when they sell they need to return that money plus a share of any profit. So if they bought a new home for $450,000 and got 10% from the government, and then sell 5 years later for $500,000; they pay the government back their $45,000 and $5K of the profit (I'm guessing realtors fees and a few other things come out, so it would be less than $5K, but you get the idea). There are a few 'strings' attached like to qualify, you need to make less than $120K. The money is applied to the mortgage, so it lowers the amount they need to borrow.
- 1) Build more homes
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I have felt drawn to investing in Mobile Home Parks partially because I feel like it allows me to have an impact by providing affordable housing.
What I want to know is if there is a real solution to the unaffordability of housing in America.
I see grant programs and government assistance but it seems like it just inflates to problem.
Is the answer that we just need more housing units? What am I missing?
2) see #1
But in reality there are TONS of cheap homes across the US. It's just most people want to live in a few small areas so those areas get massively bid up and people think "it's so expensive to buy a home!"
I have a 3 bed, 2.5 bath just outside of Houston. We're selling it for $170k. It's a detached single family home with a good sized front/back yard. Not a war zone. Just not a hip and trendy area. Quote from @Palmer Thomas:
The solution is simple. America just needs to enforce its existing laws.
We currently have over 10 million illegal immigrants living in the US. These criminals are taking housing away from Americans and driving up prices. We simply need to deport them and housing prices would become much more affordable.
For some reason this obvious solution is never even brought up as a possibility.
These illegal immigrants are also BUILDING most of the homes we need
I'm all for shutting down the border to illegal immigrants, but I also realize we need a lot more (legal) immigrants than we have now. In fact, I think we should INCREASE the number of (legal) immigrants -- but only after we get control over the border and stop people coming in illegally.- For every buyer that feels 'ripped off' because the were outbid by someone from Shanghai, there is a SELLER that got a higher price than they would have otherwise. And if this Shanghai person really 'overpaid', then they'll lose money in the long run
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Nothing I love more than hearing I got outbid on yet another house by another investor from Shanghai in a highest and best bidding war orchestrated by the realtors, by the way.
And don't make me feel dirty by defending Realtors -- but if they do something that results in a higher price for their client, that's their job Quote from @Henry Clark:
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Working with my buddy today. Section 8. Has to move out of his housing by Dec 1st. $850 for housing. Where do you live. Will you rent one of your units to him for $850? I will pay his cost to move to your unit. And an $850 deposit, I will pay to you. Will you Please help him?
Deal. I'll rent him one of our apartments under section 8 for $850. I have about 200 units leased to section 8 under $850 in Houston TX
- 2yJay ThomasPro MemberReal Estate Agent · Houston, TX · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 716 votes
Housing affordability is a complex issue, but mobile home parks offer a viable solution. Contrary to the perception of being a last resort, they provide stable, affordable living with amenities. In Houston, the median monthly rent for a mobile home is $550, significantly lower than apartments. While I understand concerns about government assistance, targeted programs can offer temporary relief and aid in mobile home ownership. To address the broader crisis, a multifaceted approach is needed—building more units, subsidies, wage increases, and reducing living costs. Supporting mobile home park investment, affordable housing initiatives, advocating for policy changes, and volunteering can collectively make housing more accessible for all.
- Member since 2015 · 54 posts · 88 votes2y
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Quote from @Palmer Thomas:
The solution is simple. America just needs to enforce its existing laws.
We currently have over 10 million illegal immigrants living in the US. These criminals are taking housing away from Americans and driving up prices. We simply need to deport them and housing prices would become much more affordable.
For some reason this obvious solution is never even brought up as a possibility.
Because it's INSANE!
Deporting 10 MILLION people.... ok "Mein Führer", exactly how do you propose to logistically do that? Squads roaming the street's, grabbing people, loading onto trains?
Really? I merely suggest that we enforce our existing laws and you call me Hitler.
You should apologize for making such a pathetically stupid and insulting comment. - Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes2y
Quote from @Nate Marshall:
We need to start looking at what they did in the 50's. Build communities with good safe schools, infrastructure and the 3/2's families can afford as starters. Empty nesters can move into.
That's one way. We have seen it. Milwaukee built these little 1,200SF 3bed/2ba ranches literally by the ten thousands; they make up a large portion of todays housing stock. The city developed the streets, zoned for quarter acre lots, put in city water, city sewer and natural gas. Today everything is zoned too often be at least 5 acre lots with private well and septic, which ends up being a huge house. That type of zoning which has been favored for the last 50 years certainly does not help with affordable housing! Now we pay the price..
- 2yJordan MoorheadBusiness MemberReal Estate Agent · Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
@Logan M. I agree 100%. We need to end Nimbyism and pop up as much affordable housing as possible. The gov needs to cut the red tape and make it cheap and easy to build, that will make housing affordable. Tax incentives don't hurt either. MHP are the cheapest and easiest affordable housing solutions out there, we need to get out of our own way and build thousands of parks.
The Moorhead Team5142 Reviews - Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes2y
Quote from @Palmer Thomas:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Palmer Thomas:
The solution is simple. America just needs to enforce its existing laws.
We currently have over 10 million illegal immigrants living in the US. These criminals are taking housing away from Americans and driving up prices. We simply need to deport them and housing prices would become much more affordable.
For some reason this obvious solution is never even brought up as a possibility.
Because it's INSANE!
Deporting 10 MILLION people.... ok "Mein Führer", exactly how do you propose to logistically do that? Squads roaming the street's, grabbing people, loading onto trains?
Really? I merely suggest that we enforce our existing laws and you call me Hitler.
You should apologize for making such a pathetically stupid and insulting comment.Looks like you need to pickup a book, because what your saying here IS reminiscent of EXACTLY what Hitler campaigned upon leading up to the Reichstag fire of 1933 that catapulted him into power, and the later horrors all of which started with "all your problems' are due to THOSE PEOPLE, let's deport them all".
Sane people, see they don't even need to know history because immediately the notion of rounding up 10 million people for deportation jumps out as logistically insane. Just picture it, seriously, what would such action look like. Socially, it would be nut's. Did they come in illegally, yes, was it a crime, sure was, but a social crime will not erase a immigration crime.
Does the insanity of open border need to be stopped, OF COURSE. But rounding up and deporting 10 million, that's plain crazy talk. Maybe your too sheltered in your life to have an understanding, and what you really need is to travel some, go to other countries, experience things, meet some of these people, LEARN, because as opposed to open boarders as I am I would NEVER condone nor allow such insane SS style actions. In no way is it an "answer" for anything other than how to break the country.
Your "answer" here is "I want, so let's take it from these people!". That's a slippery slope. You justify targeting a segment of persons, where does it end? Because it won't work. So who is next? Prejudice and hate begets prejudice and hate.
- Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 740 votes2y
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We know people that bought a mobile home and put in a park that they have to pay lot rent. They paid $43,000 for their mobile home in 2012 and as of Dec 2022 they had paid $8,000 off leaving a $35,000 note still due on their home. That's highway robbery. When I found this out I paid off his mortgage and put him on a 10 year personal note that saves him $30,000 in interest. I would like to do this for a lot of people but the reality is that most of these mobile homes are upside down. There should be laws against letting mobile home manufacturers sell these kinds of loans to poor people! It's just wrong.Quote from @Logan M.:
I have felt drawn to investing in Mobile Home Parks partially because I feel like it allows me to have an impact by providing affordable housing.
I don't see this having a major impact as most communities aren't going to let a lot new parks just open up. They're having enough issues with tiny homes. We need more of the mid range multifamily but new and the 3/2's for starter homes,
- 2yBruce WoodruffPro MemberContractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votesYou must not be reading all the posts. There are large portion of responders who don't agree that 'we' should make housing more affordable. People need to go find affordable housing, there's a huge difference...
- Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes2y
Quote from @Jordan Moorhead:
@Logan M. I agree 100%. We need to end Nimbyism and pop up as much affordable housing as possible. The gov needs to cut the red tape and make it cheap and easy to build, that will make housing affordable. Tax incentives don't hurt either. MHP are the cheapest and easiest affordable housing solutions out there, we need to get out of our own way and build thousands of parks.
1,000%!
It seems easier to get past regulation red-tape to build a strip club next door to a daycare than it is to develop a MHP near a populace density area.
Manufactured housing is wildly antiquated, because of this factor several companies have re-invision and invigorate the engineering of such to wild success. Taken to scale, holly-cow, it would be a MAJOR boom of domestic job's in manufacturing and the price of manufactured housing unit's would fall like a stone from the ability to implement assembly line production that only scaling volume would afford. That's all that's missing, ability to scale the new tech in manufacturing of these to effect the lowered cost's to produce.
The modular style being perfected now, game changing. Investors exist for this, manufacturers exist, $ sitting sidelines, it's all there just need to regulations to open up to allow the dang development of such.
How do I know? Because I am one of em sitting here red-tape-tied to my chair. Regulation opened up, I would be at it tomorrow starting on minimum 1 if not 4 sites. It consistently blow's my mind how some government bodies say a MHP will invite a "shady" group, crime, issues, but hey let's slap up apartment after apartment after apartment because that always goes so well....
Frustrating to say the least.
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Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Palmer Thomas:
The solution is simple. America just needs to enforce its existing laws.
We currently have over 10 million illegal immigrants living in the US. These criminals are taking housing away from Americans and driving up prices. We simply need to deport them and housing prices would become much more affordable.
For some reason this obvious solution is never even brought up as a possibility.
Because it's INSANE!
Deporting 10 MILLION people.... ok "Mein Führer", exactly how do you propose to logistically do that? Squads roaming the street's, grabbing people, loading onto trains?
Really? I merely suggest that we enforce our existing laws and you call me Hitler.
You should apologize for making such a pathetically stupid and insulting comment.Looks like you need to pickup a book, because what your saying here IS reminiscent of EXACTLY what Hitler campaigned upon leading up to the Reichstag fire of 1933 that catapulted him into power, and the later horrors all of which started with "all your problems' are due to THOSE PEOPLE, let's deport them all".
Sane people, see they don't even need to know history because immediately the notion of rounding up 10 million people for deportation jumps out as logistically insane. Just picture it, seriously, what would such action look like. Socially, it would be nut's. Did they come in illegally, yes, was it a crime, sure was, but a social crime will not erase a immigration crime.
Does the insanity of open border need to be stopped, OF COURSE. But rounding up and deporting 10 million, that's plain crazy talk. Maybe your too sheltered in your life to have an understanding, and what you really need is to travel some, go to other countries, experience things, meet some of these people, LEARN, because as opposed to open boarders as I am I would NEVER condone nor allow such insane SS style actions. In no way is it an "answer" for anything other than how to break the country.
Your "answer" here is "I want, so let's take it from these people!". That's a slippery slope. You justify targeting a segment of persons, where does it end? Because it won't work. So who is next? Prejudice and hate begets prejudice and hate.
Best comment in the thread!
on site, building a custom with guys that never met each other. Guys from Belarus, Ukraine, El Salvador, Ireland, Mexico etc.
Materials in pickup trucks, igloo coolers for lunch, Porta potty for facilities. All in a muddy field.
Crappy prints by architect (clip art) that's never left office.
Everyone gets along & happiness measured in productivity.
Meanwhile "investors" postulate over how many Angel's can dance on the head of a pin.
These threads truly the definition of irony.
- Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes2y
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Quote from @Steve K.:
I'd like to see an eventual return of the the first-time homebuyer tax credit that we had in 2008-2010 (up to $8k). Legislation to create a new version, which would contribute up to $15,000 towards the down payment for first time home buyers, was introduced in 2021. But it has not passed in Congress. It would not have made sense to add fuel to the already overheated market of 2021, but I think it would make sense to bring the tax credit back if the market continues cooling into 2024.
Canada did that. First time home buyers can get 5-10% of the purchase price from the government. It is interest free, but when they sell they need to return that money plus a share of any profit. So if they bought a new home for $450,000 and got 10% from the government, and then sell 5 years later for $500,000; they pay the government back their $45,000 and $5K of the profit (I'm guessing realtors fees and a few other things come out, so it would be less than $5K, but you get the idea). There are a few 'strings' attached like to qualify, you need to make less than $120K. The money is applied to the mortgage, so it lowers the amount they need to borrow.
Ugh.... Seriously, this is supposed to be an INVESTOR focused site, doe's nobody understand simple economics?
Exactly how does making things MORE EXPENSIVE make them more affordable?
That's exactly what this plan does, it makes housing more expensive. If you go to Walmart and tell people you'll pay 10% of there purchase that day, no interest, just pay you back some day, what do you think happens? Do people spend less? No, they spend MORE.
Pay part of peoples down to buy homes, they spend MORE on homes. Sellers ALWAYS want to sell for MAXIMUM possible, it's not conspiracy it's common sense. So give buyers FREE MONEY and they will spend MORE, sellers demanding MORE, making housing more unaffordable.
In fancy economic speak that's called INFLATION.
It blows my mind how this isn't common knowledge given everyone just lived through this. Is our collective memory retention that of a 80yr old with Alzheimer's? Are we all 10-second-Tom's?
- Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes2y
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
You must not be reading all the posts. There are large portion of responders who don't agree that 'we' should make housing more affordable. People need to go find affordable housing, there's a huge difference...
This is sample case study. This is actually what's really happening.Statistically speaking, most 95% of potential buyers have ability to purchase and live in Class C Area in year 2015. But 50% of them pushes themselves to buy into Class A- or Class B. The remaining 45% is still waiting and think they can still rent forever. Suddenly Class A going up 40% and Class C going up 70% in the span of 4 years (2015-2019). Now these 70% of buyers (the old leftover 40% group and new 20% potential buyer) is screaming ooooh ahhhh home is so unaffordable becoz they can't buy in Class A/B anymore. This is our group that we suppose to help ? LOL
But, again, even with the price rising, 60% of them can buy in Class C. Now feeling the market is againts them, they are panic and they start bidding class C, the Class C is feeling gentrification, new cycle happened: most previous owner of Class C is typically moving to ...... cheaper area outside town (Class B 100 miles away and do the same loop cycle). Now Class A appreciation 3% YoY. Class C appreciating 6% YoY.
Coming 2023, the remaining 25% of that potential buyer group can't even bidding Class C and Class D in the town, so they have to bid Class B for city 50 miles outside of their work location and commute by train.Meanwhile, one smart fellow USPS worker that was think ahead of their time, purchased simple 3/1 in Palo Alto (super class A) for 300k in 1998 (after Soccer World cup LOL) ; now our buddy here surprised in 2023, wow why suddenly my home price is 3 million, i don't do anything more productive to make money, i only purchased 300k 30 years ago LOL... now i have 2.5 million dollar ? and the baby boomers moved to Arizona, or Texas, buying with cash....
Driving up the price in Austin again LOL.
Money is moving. - Erie, PA · Member since 2022 · 16 posts · 8 votes2y
I think there are too many people looking in the same place to live. The US is mostly a capitalist economy. If you aren't providing the most value, why do you deserve to live in the best place. Most of the midwest, northern states, and central states are still very affordable on most budgets.
- Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes2y
@Logan M. when you say "unaffordability in housing" can you help define that a bit?
Are your focusing on renter's, home buyer's? What prices are we talking about because as many fo us just ran-away with what we understand this as, it's a good point to make sure were talking apples-2-apples here.
In todays world, I would not be surprised to find one arguing something needs to be done to make malibu beach front "more affordable" for the barista at Starbuck's to own, or some similar insanity. "Why can't I just have what I want because I WANT it" argument.
Side note, I have one "affordability" actions not yet mentioned. GO TO TRADE SCHOOL. Get an electrician's license, be a plumber etc., you don't find a single working electrician or plumber today complaining they "can't afford" really anything.
So, maybe the answer is as simple as go work where the $ is. Do better.
If flipping burgers at McD's isn't cutting it, or slinging coffee, carrying food, IDK, maybe get a career. Do something of greater value.
Just spit-balling....
- 2yJay HinrichsBusiness MemberReal Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
Quote from @James Hamling:
@Logan M. when you say "unaffordability in housing" can you help define that a bit?
Are your focusing on renter's, home buyer's? What prices are we talking about because as many fo us just ran-away with what we understand this as, it's a good point to make sure were talking apples-2-apples here.
In todays world, I would not be surprised to find one arguing something needs to be done to make malibu beach front "more affordable" for the barista at Starbuck's to own, or some similar insanity. "Why can't I just have what I want because I WANT it" argument.
Side note, I have one "affordability" actions not yet mentioned. GO TO TRADE SCHOOL. Get an electrician's license, be a plumber etc., you don't find a single working electrician or plumber today complaining they "can't afford" really anything.
So, maybe the answer is as simple as go work where the $ is. Do better.
If flipping burgers at McD's isn't cutting it, or slinging coffee, carrying food, IDK, maybe get a career. Do something of greater value.
Just spit-balling....
taking the sub trades to a little bit of an extreme.. my Dry wall sub has 400 employees and Jet. They also bid insulation but thats it. As I have said before in posts like these its all about location location location. And while some worry about affordability we do have to realize many folks especially in non appreciating markets dont want to own a home they are fine renting .. And if they dont make a enough to pay the rent then they need to change that or get roomates etc. - 2ySamuel CoronadoPro MemberInvestor · Huntsville, AL · Member since 2016 · 348 posts · 182 votes
I had a guy apply with me. He was a great candidate. I ask what's the deal. Why live in lower end housing in a low cost of living area when there is a lot better options? In my part of the world, you are much more than comfortable at 70k a year with two kids. I know other parts of the country, that's not even a living wage , but here it is. He said he everywhere else wanted literally almost double what I was charging.
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Palmer Thomas:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Palmer Thomas:
The solution is simple. America just needs to enforce its existing laws.
We currently have over 10 million illegal immigrants living in the US. These criminals are taking housing away from Americans and driving up prices. We simply need to deport them and housing prices would become much more affordable.
For some reason this obvious solution is never even brought up as a possibility.
Because it's INSANE!
Deporting 10 MILLION people.... ok "Mein Führer", exactly how do you propose to logistically do that? Squads roaming the street's, grabbing people, loading onto trains?
Really? I merely suggest that we enforce our existing laws and you call me Hitler.
You should apologize for making such a pathetically stupid and insulting comment.Looks like you need to pickup a book, because what your saying here IS reminiscent of EXACTLY what Hitler campaigned upon leading up to the Reichstag fire of 1933 that catapulted him into power, and the later horrors all of which started with "all your problems' are due to THOSE PEOPLE, let's deport them all".
Sane people, see they don't even need to know history because immediately the notion of rounding up 10 million people for deportation jumps out as logistically insane. Just picture it, seriously, what would such action look like. Socially, it would be nut's. Did they come in illegally, yes, was it a crime, sure was, but a social crime will not erase a immigration crime.
Does the insanity of open border need to be stopped, OF COURSE. But rounding up and deporting 10 million, that's plain crazy talk. Maybe your too sheltered in your life to have an understanding, and what you really need is to travel some, go to other countries, experience things, meet some of these people, LEARN, because as opposed to open boarders as I am I would NEVER condone nor allow such insane SS style actions. In no way is it an "answer" for anything other than how to break the country.
Your "answer" here is "I want, so let's take it from these people!". That's a slippery slope. You justify targeting a segment of persons, where does it end? Because it won't work. So who is next? Prejudice and hate begets prejudice and hate.
Please don't say you don't support an open border. If you support an open border, just own it. Be proud about it.
If you didn't support an open border, then you wouldn't be against actually enforcing the border we have. People try to cross illiegally every day. When they do, we catch them and send them back. But then you compare that to being like Hitler?
There is nthing 'Hitler' about trying to maintain your border. And that means not only trying to stop people from crossing. It also means if someone slips by and you catch them on our side, they still have to go back.My plan would be a 2:1. For every person we toss back that crosses illegally, we let in two people who are waiting in line. That way we slowly replace people that are here illegally with people who are here legally. That will also increase the quality of life of those immigrants as they will be legal from day 1. And we'll have more people here (which we really do need)
And as a side benefit -- if you're letting two people in for every one you kick out, it's hard to say "But but but, you're Hitler!" since the result is 2x the number of immigrants.- Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes2y
Quote from @Cody L.:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Palmer Thomas:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Palmer Thomas:
The solution is simple. America just needs to enforce its existing laws.
We currently have over 10 million illegal immigrants living in the US. These criminals are taking housing away from Americans and driving up prices. We simply need to deport them and housing prices would become much more affordable.
For some reason this obvious solution is never even brought up as a possibility.
Because it's INSANE!
Deporting 10 MILLION people.... ok "Mein Führer", exactly how do you propose to logistically do that? Squads roaming the street's, grabbing people, loading onto trains?
Really? I merely suggest that we enforce our existing laws and you call me Hitler.
You should apologize for making such a pathetically stupid and insulting comment.Looks like you need to pickup a book, because what your saying here IS reminiscent of EXACTLY what Hitler campaigned upon leading up to the Reichstag fire of 1933 that catapulted him into power, and the later horrors all of which started with "all your problems' are due to THOSE PEOPLE, let's deport them all".
Sane people, see they don't even need to know history because immediately the notion of rounding up 10 million people for deportation jumps out as logistically insane. Just picture it, seriously, what would such action look like. Socially, it would be nut's. Did they come in illegally, yes, was it a crime, sure was, but a social crime will not erase a immigration crime.
Does the insanity of open border need to be stopped, OF COURSE. But rounding up and deporting 10 million, that's plain crazy talk. Maybe your too sheltered in your life to have an understanding, and what you really need is to travel some, go to other countries, experience things, meet some of these people, LEARN, because as opposed to open boarders as I am I would NEVER condone nor allow such insane SS style actions. In no way is it an "answer" for anything other than how to break the country.
Your "answer" here is "I want, so let's take it from these people!". That's a slippery slope. You justify targeting a segment of persons, where does it end? Because it won't work. So who is next? Prejudice and hate begets prejudice and hate.
Please don't say you don't support an open border. If you support an open border, just own it. Be proud about it.
If you didn't support an open border, then you wouldn't be against actually enforcing the border we have. People try to cross illiegally every day. When they do, we catch them and send them back. But then you compare that to being like Hitler?
There is nthing 'Hitler' about trying to maintain your border. And that means not only trying to stop people from crossing. It also means if someone slips by and you catch them on our side, they still have to go back.My plan would be a 2:1. For every person we toss back that crosses illegally, we let in two people who are waiting in line. That way we slowly replace people that are here illegally with people who are here legally. That will also increase the quality of life of those immigrants as they will be legal from day 1. And we'll have more people here (which we really do need)
And as a side benefit -- if you're letting two people in for every one you kick out, it's hard to say "But but but, you're Hitler!" since the result is 2x the number of immigrants.Stop assuming what I said because some whack-a-mole is getting off on a tangent and ACTUALLY READ what I ACTUALLY WROTE and what I was factually responding to.
I CLEARLY wrote about the necessity, in am immediacy, for securing the border. And what I spoke of is the VERY Nazi'esk proposal he said of rounding up and deporting 10 MILLION people. As I clearly stated, it's not only logistically unrealistic but IMMENSLY socially destructive because the measures and actions required to do a round-up and deportation of 10 MILLION people, a number greater than 98% of American cities entire populations, would in fact look exact like a Gestapo Nazi America.
And to boot, no, it would NOT effect some "cure" or "correction" to the affordability on housing as proposed.
What it would do is set the country on FIRE! It would rip this nation apart, which mind you is hanging on by dental floss stitching at this point. It would be utilized by persons, groups, entities and turned into a catalyst and ammunition that would make G.F. Riot's look like little league warm-up's. Politically it would be weaponized and deployed and shot like a gatling gun.
To do such is stupidity squared! To act oblivious to the obvious following fallout is ignorance squared!
Let me ask, since your so wrongly accusing me of assumptive opinions, have you, PERSONALLY, been effected from the immigration issue? Because I HAVE, directly, personally. Don't believe me, talk to a few Senators and find out.
I personally had family in immediate danger, way too long awaiting their immigration to clear, delayed repeatedly because of the illegal immigration flood. I went to Senate, yes, the U.S. Senate campaigning my families plight, requests of emergency amnesty, I was FIGHTING tooth and nail. My family was in harms way BECAUSE of the "open borders" so to your accusation I say GET-A-CLUE. You don't know me nor my beliefs, and so absolutely incorrectly laid accusations here. My family was in the streets manning volunteer citizen militia barricades and security teams all while awaiting approved immigration status already done but pushed back and back and back only and soely because of the da*m open borders BS.
I am arguably the MOST opposed to open boarders, most PRO legal immigration as I am personally living it's nightmares now, today, in this BS. And I say rounding up 10 million for deportation is LUNACY! Unrealistic, dangerous lunacy.
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Quote from @Cody L.:
For every buyer that feels 'ripped off' because the were outbid by someone from Shanghai, there is a SELLER that got a higher price than they would have otherwise. And if this Shanghai person really 'overpaid', then they'll lose money in the long runQuote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Palmer Thomas:
Nothing I love more than hearing I got outbid on yet another house by another investor from Shanghai in a highest and best bidding war orchestrated by the realtors, by the way.
And don't make me feel dirty by defending Realtors -- but if they do something that results in a higher price for their client, that's their job"And don't make me feel dirty by defending Realtors -- but if they do something that results in a higher price for their client, that's their job"
that's their job - agreed, which is my point in including them as one of the factors contributing to the housing crisis brought up by the OP. - Member since 2023 · 52 posts · 43 votes2y
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
it makes sense actually, because for every transaction seller has to allocate 7% to agents so in other words, price virtually inflated to accommodate the agent. The 7% in reality , is equal to 18 months appreciation by average.Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Ivan Terrero:
@Ralph Nagle......maybe it is misguided government policy that creates more problems when they make laws that don't make sense?
They are without question the prime enablers. It's the cobra effect.
They are considering 50 year mortgages in the UK to combat their housing crisis. Anyone think that will work? perfect example
Yes, and the more times they can get you to transact, the better- evidenced by how often they keep reaching out to past clients asking if they are ready to move again, and trying to entice them by how much they claim they can get for their house. Their incentives are part of the problem for sure.
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