When refinancing a rented property does it have to be serviced by a property manager?

When refinancing a rented property does it have to be serviced by a property manager?

Investor · Atlanta GA · Member since 2019 · 35 posts · 20 votes

Hi,

I am an out of state investor, currently rehabbing a property which I plan to rent out and refinance in a few months. 

From what I was reading about refinancing requirements - seems like some of them require the property to be managed by a management company. 

Can I self manage this property and still get a refinance? (I have boots on the ground in case needed)

Thanks  

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Robin SimonBusiness Member
Lender · Austin, TX · Member since 2022 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
2y
Quote from @Yael Maroko:

Yes, I am referring to a DSCR loan.

OK, so this is something I need to ask the lender as part of my lender due diligence. 


Nope, a property manager wouldn't be required as part of the DSCR Loan underwriting process

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  • Adam BartomeoBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2y

    The simple answer is that they don't care if you are self-managing or if there is a PM.

  • Investor · Atlanta GA · Member since 2019 · 35 posts · 20 votes
    2y

    So its not usually a requirement? Even when I'm far from the property? 

  • John MorganPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Grand Prairie, TX · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    2y

    @Yael Maroko

    I’ve done several refinances out of town and nobody asked or cared. I just gave the appraiser my tenants phone numbers. And always tell them the number you’re looking for on the appraisal. lol

  • Lender · Charleston, SC · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2y

    If you're using a DSCR loan, this will be lender specific. A few of the DSCR investors we work with require the owner have landlord/property management experience OR that a licensed PM is in place to manage the property. Conventional does not have this requirement at the moment, but there are rumors that Freddie will be updating guidelines soon to require 1 year of landlord/PM experience for investment property loans. If Freddie does this, my guess is Fannie will follow suit.

  • Investor · Atlanta GA · Member since 2019 · 35 posts · 20 votes
    2y

    Yes, I am referring to a DSCR loan.

    OK, so this is something I need to ask the lender as part of my lender due diligence. 

  • Lender · Charleston, SC · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Yael Maroko:

    Yes, I am referring to a DSCR loan.

    OK, so this is something I need to ask the lender as part of my lender due diligence. 


     Correct. Some will require one year of experience or a property manager, and some will not. 

  • Lender · Ponte Vedra, FL · Member since 2024 · 26 posts · 11 votes
    2y

    Nope most lenders won’t care. As long as the property is claimed as self-managed you should be good. If the one lender won’t, the next one will just wake sure there is no deferred maintenance.

  • Mike GrudzienPro Member
    Lender · Eugene, OR · Member since 2019 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2y

    Some require, some don't.  Check with each lender.

  • Lender · Nationwide Lender / Novus Home Mortgage, a division of Ixonia Bank / NMLS #423065; Craig Warner / NMLS #129642 · Member since 2024 · 78 posts · 15 votes
    2y

    We do not have this requirement.

  • Lender · Member since 2021 · 495 posts · 130 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Yael Maroko:

    Hi,

    I am an out of state investor, currently rehabbing a property which I plan to rent out and refinance in a few months. 

    From what I was reading about refinancing requirements - seems like some of them require the property to be managed by a management company. 

    Can I self manage this property and still get a refinance? (I have boots on the ground in case needed)

    Thanks  

    As others have stated, this can be lender specific.
    some will also look to your experience as an out of state manager to determine whether or not you can self-manage.

    cheers!
  • Ko KashiwagiPro Member
    Lender · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2022 · 967 posts · 445 votes
    2y

    It's lender specific, so I'd recommend pursuing the refinance with a lender that doesn't require it in your case. You should be able to get a DSCR financing without including the PM fee in the calculation as well which would give you more leverage. Some don't even require occupancy at time of closing!

  • Developer · New York City, NY · Member since 2015 · 812 posts · 718 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Yael Maroko:

    Hi,

    I am an out of state investor, currently rehabbing a property which I plan to rent out and refinance in a few months. 

    From what I was reading about refinancing requirements - seems like some of them require the property to be managed by a management company. 

    Can I self manage this property and still get a refinance? (I have boots on the ground in case needed)

    Thanks  


     It depends on the bank.  Some banks over a certain amount of money may require third par-y property management for the first year or two.

  • Robin SimonBusiness Member
    Lender · Austin, TX · Member since 2022 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Yael Maroko:

    Yes, I am referring to a DSCR loan.

    OK, so this is something I need to ask the lender as part of my lender due diligence. 


    Nope, a property manager wouldn't be required as part of the DSCR Loan underwriting process

  • Erik EstradaBusiness Member
    Lender · Member since 2022 · 6k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2y

    It depends on the lender, but majority of DSCR lenders will not have this requirement to close on a refinance.

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  • Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2017 · 81 posts · 13 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Yael Maroko:

    Hi,

    I am an out of state investor, currently rehabbing a property which I plan to rent out and refinance in a few months. 

    From what I was reading about refinancing requirements - seems like some of them require the property to be managed by a management company. 

    Can I self manage this property and still get a refinance? (I have boots on the ground in case needed)

    Thanks  


    You can self-manage your property and still qualify for a refinance, but it depends on the lender's specific requirements. Some lenders may prefer properties managed by a professional management company, especially for investor loans, but many also allow self-management.

  • Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    2y

    This is more common for commercial (5+ units, often lenders in this category want the owner/operator to have experience self managing or hire professional management), and not very common 4 units and under, IME.  

  • Developer · New York City, NY · Member since 2015 · 812 posts · 718 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Steve K.:

    This is more common for commercial (5+ units, often lenders in this category want the owner/operator to have experience self managing or hire professional management), and not very common 4 units and under, IME.  


    This.  A building owner across one of my buildings has owned a building since the 80s.  Since he's a one person shop (along with a super), he refinanced his 3 million dollar property and the bank required him to hire a property management company.  While we do not generally manage properties outside of our own properties, I did him a favor and added his property under our umbrella.  Since we are already registered with Fannie and Freddie as a property management company, he was able to get his mortgage.  I was happy to help; for a small fee. 

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