Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
I've been wondering lately if the American people would rise up and fight for ANYTHING? My personal opinion is that the American people would give up every single right they have (including their property) and become virtual slaves to a socialist/communist/fascist government without any fight whatsoever (or has that ship already sailed).
Is there ANYTHING that YOU would fight for? Anything at all?
For full disclosure, I did not read the entire thread..... Politics gets boring. Too many viewpoints, not much in the way of facts
here are some facts
As a young man I served in the USMC. I was an infantryman in Desert Storm. We were ordered to go out and do terriable things to young men just like ourselves, it was our duty. We all took the oath. We all wanted to be there.
In the name of my wife and children, I would do much worse to any involved, with a smile on my face......
I know a Vietnam jarhead, he was with 1/9, the walking dead. Those guys know what a bad day really is.
We spoke about Mrs Neopalatiano and her singleing out of Vet's as a threat.
His comment was. " that is the only person in DC that understands what a threat is", LOL
We are blessd as a country. Go to the Westbank and ask this question.
Liberal immigration policy brings in outside immigrants that will vote in their favour. they also try to get votes from violent criminals and anywhere else they can (at least in Canada). the outcome of these policies in Canada tripled organized crime and Toronto the good became Toronto the gang war turf. real estate became the new marijuana plantations. I swiftly cancelled all my plans to become an international DJ and started hanging out with military instead.
also under the Liberals we lost our democracy. we didn't recognize it right away the way you Americans are vigilant about. when I wrote my MP I received a condescending photocopied reeducation letter in the mail. when I wrote the newspaper I received a threatening phone call and notified the police. those were my first clues at that time.
Canadians voted in a Conservative minority government who have been picking up the huge mess particularly in the area of crime and public safety. recently the minority parties tried to take over the government in a non-elected way and there was a public outcry which they completely ignored. the Queen sent her representative to shut down our government for weeks. I can not support anyone but Conservative in Canada as they are the ONLY ones who consider the interests of our country and are even sane.
actually I think he's referring to the tendency of people who base their concepts on theory rather than experience and facts, who argue about arguing. <---that's it right there. lol. regardless I am enjoying the commentary.
Funny thing is, all Canadians I spoke to have agreed that Canada would be nothing like it is today without the aggressive but calculated immigration policies, specially during the past 1990-2000 decade. Comparable in aggressiveness maybe only with the influx of immigrants to the US at the beginning of the 1900's.
As opposed to the US immigration during the same past decade, Canada has targeted on relatevely young, better (higher) educated wave of immigrants whose immediate contribution to the economy was nothing to be neglected, provided quite a boost. I remember seeing Toronto growing, changing, developing during that time from one week to another (that's how often I was traveling there).
Sadly though, they were probably mostly Liberals, ultimately destined to ruin the country, from what I hear now :lol:
Dunno if he is or not, but I don't mind calling a bluff when I see one. Sort of like "elected in pure communist fashion"
HAHAHA ok I have my biases too based on Canadian experience of pathetic wannabe governments. you have to admit it makes a person nervous when the masses are hailing their new hero leader in the media in the midst of the "greatest crisis" since the historical great depression and he is relatively a newcomer. particularly when he has some "extreme" views compared to the average American. but what made me really nervous was the policies written on the government website when he was first in office. I suppose Americans are used to your media. when the Canadians try that BS, they get laughed off the ballot.
I thought the original question was "Is ANYTHING worth fighting for"
I merely skimmed through all the post since my last one but it seems like the same people ( as seen in other threads) enter into a no win "opinionated' argument.
Funny thing is, all Canadians I spoke to have agreed that Canada would be nothing like it is today without the aggressive but calculated immigration policies, specially during the past 1990-2000 decade. Comparable in aggressiveness maybe only with the influx of immigrants to the US at the beginning of the 1900's.
As opposed to the US immigration during the same past decade, Canada has targeted on relatevely young, better (higher) educated wave of immigrants whose immediate contribution to the economy was nothing to be neglected, provided quite a boost. I remember seeing Toronto growing, changing, developing during that time from one week to another (that's how often I was traveling there).
Sadly though, they were probably mostly Liberals, ultimately destined to ruin the country, from what I hear now :lol:
Toronto certainly is a city of immigrants. I quite like going to different streets a few blocks apart and feeling like I am in different parts of the world. The problem was that the most recent Liberal government lowered the bar so much that immigrants had to be swiftly deported and others just killed themselves off in gang wars and cost taxpayers a great deal in additional policing. I think the NDP party was behind a lot of the activism, but the Liberal party supported it, that hurt our country. Our most extreme NDP activist is now living in France with his gay lover because he became so extreme that Canada wouldn't have him anymore.
particularly when he has some "extreme" views compared to the average American.
Again, blanket statement. In my book and many others I know, the previous decider had many EXTREME views compared to average the American. Who's to say who's right? Ultimately the electors, prolly? Unfortunately Canadians can't vote in the US, last I've heard...
J Scott would you mind posting a pic? it's a bit creepy and impersonal talking to someone without a pic. hope that is ok.
thank you for participating in the housing market as we need that.
I was wondering if you are as passionate about supporting America outside of America as you are about supporting it inside America. considering that USA is 5% of the population of the world.
particularly when he has some "extreme" views compared to the average American.
Unfortunately Canadians can't vote in the US, last I've heard...
now to me( someone who doesn't spend all my time fighting an opinionated argument in a forum about REAL ESTATE INVESTING) that remark seemed like a political cheap attack at Shana Gray.
seriously people! get off of your high horse and get back to discussing things related to the thread instead of immigration and foreign policies.
I know you ( and if you think I'm talking about you then you're probably right ) will turn your attention to me and I just wanted to let you know I'm ok with that as it's expected b/c I've probably sparked some political fire in your brain b/c I said "get off your high horse" so go ahead and bring it, I'll still sleep like a baby while you're wasting your day away over ridiculous nonsense. :mrgreen:
particularly when he has some "extreme" views compared to the average American.
Unfortunately Canadians can't vote in the US, last I've heard...
now to me( someone who doesn't spend all my time fighting an opinionated argument in a forum about REAL ESTATE INVESTING) that remark seemed like a political cheap attack at Shana Gray.
seriously people! get off of your high horse and get back to discussing things related to the thread instead of immigration and foreign policies.
I know you ( and if you think I'm talking about you then you're probably right ) will turn your attention to me and I just wanted to let you know I'm ok with that as it's expected b/c I've probably sparked some political fire in your brain b/c I said "get off your high horse" so go ahead and bring it, I'll still sleep like a baby while you're wasting your day away over ridiculous nonsense. :mrgreen:
Nick, relax, Shana and I enjoy poking at each other's arguments.
And TRULY REALLY sorry to disappoint you but I won't turn my attention to you.
J Scott would you mind posting a pic? it's a bit creepy and impersonal talking to someone without a pic. hope that is ok.
thank you for participating in the housing market as we need that.
I was wondering if you are as passionate about supporting America outside of America as you are about supporting it inside America. considering that USA is 5% of the population of the world.
:oops:
Sounds like Love, LOL
HAHA! no I am a polite Canadian and I am sure he is married and I am not fond of Liberals lol. he seems so adamant to protect people living in the USA on fine points even if they are potential terrorists, that I wonder if he has any concept of USA involvement in the rest of the world? if he thinks that potential terrorists on American soil should have a list of rights, how does he feel about Americans on foreign soil, particularly military? most people can't answer this question sadly. because they base their viewpoints on propaganda and hearsay. only about 3% of Americans have ever been outside the USA. and their cognitive and confirmation biases are based on their limited experiences...
I for one think fighting for FREEDOM is worthwhile. Unfortunately wars like the current one in Irak are nothing about that (freedom).
And fighting for one's liberties is worthwhile. Like the ones that PA took away. Like borrowing a book from a library should not be a reason for scrutiny, like it was 20 yrs ago in the communist block. But of course, that's my opinion, that many here disagree with.
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security." B. Franklin
I was wondering if you are as passionate about supporting America outside of America as you are about supporting it inside America. considering that USA is 5% of the population of the world.
I am passionate about supporting all people, everywhere. Pretty much every financial cause I support is global, not local, with most of my charitable giving going here:
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx
I worked for Bill for a long time, and have tremendous respect for his global outreach, and share his belief that it's about making this a better world for everyone, not just Americans.
sadly all the Liberals I spoke to personally (a lot) were far less educated than those in the videos.
So, wait a second...
Every single liberal you spoke with was far less educated than those in the video?
Every one of them? Not a single one was more educated?
And far less? None of them even came close to be as educated as the one in the video?
Either you're exaggerating, or the sample set you found was highly skewed.
Either way, after a statement like that, I'm not sure we can have a productive debate.
Plus again, I just don't get the fact that people on here want to support their assertions with statements that start with "I..."
Your experience doesn't matter. My experience doesn't matter. There are 300 million people in this country, and 6 billion people in the world.
I don't care how many people you know or have talked to, it's not statistically significant, and is for the most part more a reflection of who you associate with than it is a reflection of the world.
J Scott that is why I like productive debates because I am looking for information. my background is in the entertainment industry. many people are more concerned with animal rights than human rights (excepting terrorists) and that concerns me.