My first BRRRR.... From purchase to refinance

My first BRRRR.... From purchase to refinance

Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes

Hello everyone! I want to chronicle my first BRRRR investment and hope to share a success story with all of you. My main purpose is to help new investors, that are thinking about jumping into real estate investing, get a real life picture of what to expect. This isn't HGTV and I am not some Guru, I am a 40 year old dad with two kids that is tired of working 50 hours a week so someone else can get rich. I want the freedom that real estate has the potential to give, and I want something that I can share with my daughters when they get older. I have never chronicled anything like this before, so bear with me.

Now, about me. I have some experience in real estate investing, but not much. I bought my first rental, a SFH in Cincinnati Ohio, in 2010. It was pretty turnkey and has cash-flowed well for me over the years. I moved to the Philly suburbs in 2013 and decided to keep that rental because of its low maintenance and good cash-flow. I also fix and flipped a house last year, just to do it, and made a little money but nothing to write home about. That's it, so I don't have a ton of experience and consider myself still very green in all of this.

So lets talk about the property.... I am scheduled to close next Thursday. 

It is a SFH in central NJ that was a VA forclosure, that I purchased for $55,000. It is a 3 bed, 1.5 bath that needs a complete rehab. I toured at least 20 homes and offered on 5 before landing this one. I utilized the BP calculators to analyze deals and this seemed like a winner. It's not a homerun deal, but will cash flow nicely and is in a good rental area. So here are the numbers....

Purchase price $55,000

Closing costs $3500

Renovations (my initial estimate) $35,000

Taxes $5000/yr

ARV $130,000

Target rent $1600/month

I am purchasing using a hard money lender, then refinancing through my credit union after 6 months "seasoning". The terms of the hard money are as follows.... 9 month, interest only loan at 10.5%, with 20% down payment and 4 points. The points are rolled into the loan so they are paid at refinance. So I will be putting out $22,500 of my own money to fund this deal. I'm going to use real numbers because I think too many people talk about "real estate with no money down", "get loans with 100% funding". For a new investor with no experience, It's going to be difficult to invest in real estate without money. So my suggestion for new guys and gals out there looking to invest, the first step is to SAVE MONEY! Very few people invest starting with nothing. It's much easier if you have something to invest.

Here are pictures of the property as it sits today.... And thanks for reading, I hope it gives newer investors the confidence they need to jump in and take the risk!!

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Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 97 posts · 30 votes
9y

Defiantly SAVE money, LEARN from others and last and MOST important... DO IT. You never know if you're going to make it happen until you make it happen!

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  • Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y

    @Mike Ventura I'm so sorry I didn't address your question sooner, It never came through my notifications. 

    Yes, the monthly payments are added to the loan and due on payoff.

    My credit union re-fi terms are 80% LTV with 2 options.... A 15 year fixed or a 5 year arm, amortized over 25 years. Both are 4.75%

    CLOSING DAY!!

    After a few delays and back and forth about fees and such, we closed on the property this afternoon. We almost had to delay again because there was a mistake on the final HUD that needed to be fixed but we made it!

    So, for the people thinking getting into BRRRRing with no money, I wrote 2 checks today. One at closing for $21,150 because with no experience or track record of this scale of rehab, I was required to put down 20% of the loan amount. You may be able to find a lender that requires less but you need cash to invest in real estate, unless you are one of the very luck few that have rich friends or relatives willing to throw 10's of thousands of dollars at you. The second check I wrote was to my contractor, foe another $9000. For those that don't know, hard money lenders will finance the renovation, but it is a reimbursement draw, so you have to put the money out up front. 

    So, so far my "low money down" BRRRR has taken $30,000 plus from my bank account. My contractor is prepared to start next week so I will continue to post about the journey as things come up.

    Thanks!

  • Manville, NJ · Member since 2015 · 141 posts · 87 votes
    9y

    Great post!  Thank you for the update. It sure takes money to make money!  

  • Columbia, NJ · Member since 2015 · 47 posts · 20 votes
    9y
    Jason DiClemente well done! All the best with the next steps. What credit union did you use? I’m looking at my next deal to BRRRR and the refinance options look attractive. Thanks Jason
  • Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y
    @Mike Ventura I am using freedom credit union out of Bucks county. I do a lot of business with them and the rates are favorable. They also are able to loan with the property in an LLC.
  • Rental Property Investor · Springfield, PA · Member since 2017 · 101 posts · 20 votes
    9y

    @Jason D. Thanks for sharing this.  This is exactly what I am looking into for my first property.  I'm in Delaware County.  Do the lenders you mention lend only in NJ?  I need a lender. 

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y
    @Justin Seng the hard money lender I used was groundfloor financial. They lend in a number of states, including Pa I believe. I would personally not recommend them and will not use them again. I'll post a review of them at a later date after this deal is completed. Freedom credit union does lend in Delaware county and I highly recommen of them.
  • Lender · Berkeley, CA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 549 votes
    9y

    Congrats @Jason D.

    Thanks for sharing.

    FWIW, not all lenders require a loan to a LLC.

  • Rental Property Investor · Springfield, PA · Member since 2017 · 101 posts · 20 votes
    9y

    @Jason D. Thanks Ill check out Freedom Credit Union.

  • Wholesaler · Newark, DE · Member since 2015 · 303 posts · 80 votes
    9y
    Nice...definitely would like to follow the updates to your venture. Keep us posted...
  • Rental Property Investor · Overland Park, KS · Member since 2015 · 492 posts · 234 votes
    9y

    @Jason D.

    Would you be willing to post your projected numbers after the refi?

  • Hawthorne, NJ · Member since 2015 · 22 posts · 7 votes
    9y

    @Jason D., thanks for taking the time to share your experience. As someone that is exploring the REI world this kind of insight helps with what to expect.

    Would you use seek out foreclosures to utilize the BRRRR strategy again?

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y






  • Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y

    @William S. I will attempt to post the calculator screenshot but I'm having trouble getting that to work. It's basically as follows....

    Total refinance amount is going to be in the $90k - $95k range @ 4.75% amortized over 25 years. That will be enough to pay off the loan and retrieve all of my cash back out.

    Cashflow after all expenses will be right at $200 per month but I will manage it myself at first, raising cashflow to about $350 per month

    @Alex Malyarovich I would definitely do another foreclosure, It's a pain in the *** but now that I know what to expect, I'll know what to expect

  • Rental Property Investor · Overland Park, KS · Member since 2015 · 492 posts · 234 votes
    9y

    @Jason D.

    What are you setting aside for Capex, maintenance, vacancy?

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y
    @William S., because it is a full reno with all new mechanicals and roof, I set my reserves at 5% each. Vacancy will be reserved at 8.3%.
  • Rental Property Investor · Overland Park, KS · Member since 2015 · 492 posts · 234 votes
    9y

    @Jason D.

    Have you broken down the replacement cost per major item over the hold period (life of the loan)?

    Example: Roof cost $4,000, Lifespan is 25 years = $13.33/m

  • Johnston, RI · Member since 2017 · 6 posts · 9 votes
    9y

    Thanks for the post and the updates. I recently purchased my first buy and hold rental through a bank and I'm considering hard money for my next purchase but know nothing about the process. Good luck on the project and keep the posts coming!

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y
    @William S. I didn't break it down into that much detail. My total reserve for capex will be roughly $1000 per year. That should easily cover a water heater every 10 years, HVAC every 15, and a roof every 30. I will have an initial reserve of $5000 just in case. I plan on adding the capex reserve to my cash flow until the $5k is "paid off" and then adding it as reserve from there.
  • Rental Property Investor · Springfield, PA · Member since 2017 · 101 posts · 20 votes
    9y
    Jason DiClemente Jason is your loan interest only?
  • Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y
    @Justin Seng yes. All of the hard money lenders I contacted were interest only with a balloon payment due at the end of the term
  • Manville, NJ · Member since 2015 · 141 posts · 87 votes
    9y

    @Jason D. Hey Jason, so how's it going so far? Smooth sailing? Any hiccups with the property or the contractor? 

  • Real Estate Agent · San Jose, CA · Member since 2017 · 111 posts · 66 votes
    9y
    Awesome thread man. Keep us posted! Hoping everything pans out well for you. But from the looks and sounds of it, willing to bank on you getting this done!
  • Custodian · Lander, WY · Member since 2017 · 59 posts · 29 votes
    9y

    @Jason D.

    Just found this thread.

    Any progress to report.

    Fascinating so far!

    kirk

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y

    @Jake Recz so far so good. The city delayed us on the permit a little but we have started renovations and no issues with the contractor. Very receptive to ideas, been there almost everyday, and so far, good work.

    @Frederick Kirk Wendel we started reno about a week ago due to the city delay. Right now the siding and deck are about finished and windows should be delivered and installed by the end of the week.

    I visited the property today and took some pictures....

  • Hawthorne, NJ · Member since 2015 · 22 posts · 7 votes
    9y

    Thanks for the update.  Looking good thus far.  Seems like town delays need to be accounted for when estimating hold times. 

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