Would you hire a guy with one leg to do your cabinets?

Would you hire a guy with one leg to do your cabinets?

Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2008 · 469 posts · 32 votes

He seems to know his stuff, has worked on boats all his life, was able to lay out for me in detail a couple options to redo my kitchen and bath cabinets for $12/hr and he'd use me or someone for grunt work. He lives out of his boat on ss and lost his leg from a motorcycle accident and is on pain meds and could use some money to sail off to wherever the wind takes him next and I could have a part in that lol. He seems a little desperate and kinda bugging me with over friendliness which I imagine is because of his physical challenges, I'm guessing but he seems friendly and skilled enough and we'd be working together replacing doors and refinishing/painting that formica covered composite wood stuff the boxes are made of and replacing the (horizontal) particle board. I've gotten professional quotes so it looks like I could save a lot. Would you?

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Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
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He's missing a leg and lives on a boat? Sounds like a pirate and you don't want to hire pirates to hang cabinets. Don't ask me how I know this.

Seriously, his disability has nothing to do with anything. Living on a boat and working for $12 an hour is a pretty big red flag for me. If you think a professional is expensive, try hiring an amateur.

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  • Realtor · Charleston, SC · Member since 2016 · 229 posts · 159 votes
    8y

    IHOP Cabinet Company, One leg up cabinets, The first and only step cabinet company..... Best foot forward cabinets, 

    I wouldn't let that be a deciding factor. Some people are very good at what they do regardless of number of limbs they have. He could have more talent in his 3 appendages than most have in their four....

  • JD MartinBusiness Member
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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Nathan Gesner:

    He's missing a leg and lives on a boat? Sounds like a pirate and you don't want to hire pirates to hang cabinets. Don't ask me how I know this.

    Seriously, his disability has nothing to do with anything. Living on a boat and working for $12 an hour is a pretty big red flag for me. If you think a professional is expensive, try hiring an amateur.

     LOL. This is the quote of the week right here. Although I am dying to know how you know you shouldn't hire pirates to hang cabinets :D :D

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  • San Antonio, TX · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Benjamin Cowles You may want to ask for a schedule of when the work will be completed. If he seems desperate and also on medication due to pain, you may run into scheduling issues in the future based on his health. Good luck!! 

  • Staten Island, NY · Member since 2015 · 17 posts · 15 votes
    8y

    I would say approach this no differently than you would in hiring  any other contractor. If he's done work for others and they're happy with his work-why not hire him?  When I was 17 -18 years old I used to work in a parking garage, my boss had one leg and he was able to drive a stick shift - NO I'm not kidding . When people have a disability they usually find ways to compensate for it, I'm sure people here have heard about blind folks who have a more developed sense of hearing etc. 

    $12 an hour? I'm pretty sure that's less than one would make flipping hamburgers where I live. I strongly believe that you get what you pay for and would be more concerned about him being willing to work for $12 an hour , especially  the quality of work done for such  low compensation. As a tradesman myself with 20+ years of experience I wouldn't get out of bed for twice that amount.

    Best of luck in your endeavors.

  • Charleston, WV · Member since 2017 · 113 posts · 50 votes
    8y
    If you lost a leg, would you want to be discriminated when looking for work? A solid employee for $12 an hour is a blessing Hire him for a week probation period. Tell him expectations just like any 2 legged employee.
  • Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 22 posts · 3 votes
    8y

    If that guy can do the work why not?

  • Ned J.Pro Member
    Investor · Manteca, CA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y

    and if he sues you....he will lose.....he doesn't have a leg to stand on !!! Ta dah....

    Please be sure and tip your waitress, I'm here all week...8 and 10 PM shows...goodnight.....

  • Rogers, AR · Member since 2017 · 49 posts · 18 votes
    8y

    If the guy worked on boats all his life get him. They are some of the most capable carpenters in the world.

    I have a ex-roommate that was in a very similar way from an auto accident.  He has little mobility in his arm and both legs. That said he is about as functional as everyone else I know, it just takes him longer.  The dude is an amazing carpenter and plumber. And I am learning a lot every job I asked him to take on.

    Hope the guy works out.

  • Developer · Union Point, MA · Member since 2015 · 63 posts · 31 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Valerie Hiscoe:

    Carpenters who work on boats are usually highly skilled because they'e often not working with square edges. If he has experience like that, he'd be more than capable of looking after your cabinetry.

    I'd hate for you to be prejudice against someone for their disability. I don't think an insurance company could legally be able to be so therefore your liability should be contained within the bounds of anyone else doing the job. If it weren't for this newfound awareness of liability and release, you might not otherwise thought of it, so you can thank him for reminding you to protect yourself.

    My brother lost an arm and I can safely promise you that he accomplishes twice as much because he tries twice as hard. But i can also promise you with a fair amount of certainty that if someone has been uprooted from their life and forced to rely on social services - they are going to be fairly desperate. Its got nothing to do with their skill level or personality - its that they dont have enough money to live. My brother is lucky because thats not the case but I  would hate for him to be considered a charity case just because he's trying to earn a living. So there's that.

    As per payment, I like to get an idea of how much something should cost, less materials (which I usually get myself) and set a payment plan - 10-20% for showing up the first day (which doesn't always happen), another 20-30% halfway through or so, 90% when it' done, and the final 10% a couple of weeks later when the things that nobody noticed were left undone have been completed to your satisfaction. Some people add bonuses and penalties for time constraints if those are of the highest priority. Keep in mind though, that if someone is desperate and inexperienced at giving estimates, they will probably lowball it. That's not good for either of you so get more than one estimate or an example of his working on something so you can get a realistic ballpark figure.

    And write a contract for exactly what, where, when, how, and by whom, no matter who ends up doing the work. And if you'e going to hire someone licensed and insured, make sure you get proof of their license and insurance.

    It sounds like the man you'e contemplating to have do this work also has some creative and design experience. Don't underestimate that because he may foresee problems or options that you might not. Having been a boater myself, I know that boats are, by necessity, usually well designed.

    Best of luck with your renovation.

    The insurance company needs to know about the pain meds and the lack of licensure, the workmen's comp issues. They'll want to know what insurance HE has. And then they'll tell you they're NOT going to cover the homeowner if he proceeds (ie., does stupid things). Actually, if the owner were to contact the insurance company to ASK about this, he'd go on their radar. In the Northeast (US) an insurance company will surprise visit, to stop by, to check closets for electric heaters, from time to time. Coming from California I had not know this would actually happen. It does. It did happen to me! Read the agreements with the insurance company. 

    Be polite to the gentleman seeking work:

    "I've decided to hire a contractor to do the whole thing, personally, I don't feel much like getting involved with this sort of work myself"

  • Investor · Richmond, BC · Member since 2013 · 316 posts · 133 votes
    8y

    Hi Benjamin

    You didn't actually mention if this is a flip or your principal residence. As @Charles Delisio mentionned above, the insurance you purchase will be different.

  • Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2008 · 469 posts · 32 votes
    8y

    Well I didn't hire him. Turned out to be a dour butt when I asked for references. Tried to use fact he worked for himself as an excuse and raised his voice as if I wasn't getting something. Oh well.. 

  • Member since 2016 · 13k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    8y

    Too bad, having only one leg you could have used him to prop up the uppers when you were attaching them to the wall.

    Also for future info kitchen floors are always finished before installing lower cabinets.

  • Rogers, AR · Member since 2017 · 49 posts · 18 votes
    8y
    @Benjamin Cowles, great job. I would be dubious of anyone who is not willing to give references. I have noticed the more people ignore red flags they more often then not get burned.
  • Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2008 · 469 posts · 32 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Valerie Hiscoe:

    Hi Benjamin

    You didn't actually mention if this is a flip or your principal residence. As @Charles Delisio mentionned above, the insurance you purchase will be different.

     My own residence thanks.

  • Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2008 · 469 posts · 32 votes
    8y

    I see a "post has been removed". That just makes me want to have it put back so I can see it. 

  • Kuba F.Pro Member
    Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 694 votes
    8y

    I avoided this thread for fear it was a how many pirates does it take to screw in a lightbulb joke.  

    Surprisingly good advice in here on both sides.  You don't need a professional to do handyman work, but whoever does work for you should be able to show you that they can, via references, previous work examples, etc.

  • Investor · Richmond, BC · Member since 2013 · 316 posts · 133 votes
    8y

    @Benjamin Cowles

    I also think it' best to install floors then uppers then lowers. I prefer my floors going wall to wall in case I want to change something at a later date, and it' easier to install uppers without base cabinets in the way.  I think that's the usual.

  • Investor · River City, Manitoba · Member since 2017 · 162 posts · 193 votes
    8y

    Pick two of the three  at best..

    You can get things done well

    you can get things done cheap

    you can get things done fast.

    He has one leg which means he may do things a little slower. That doesn't mean he isn't skilled or qualified to do the job. But it's simple. Vett him like you would any other person that you would come in and do the job. Does he come recommended, or have any references. How physically capable are you? You're going to be doing this together, sounds like he knows what he is doing but you'll be doing the muscle work. Which isn't a bad thing you'll get the best seat in the house to learn something if this guy cuts the mustard. 

    On a side note for carpentry work I pay my guys $25/hr to be by my side or $35 on their own but I have expectations and know if a guy has skills or can just talk the talk.

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