First Duplex Purchase with only $3,000 out of Pocket!

First Duplex Purchase with only $3,000 out of Pocket!

Residential Real Estate Broker · Mount Vernon, WA · Member since 2015 · 28 posts · 47 votes

We just received loan approval on our first investment property! We still have to sign and record the transaction, but we should be closed by the middle of next week. It is a duplex that we will live in half and rent out the other half. We are using FHA financing at 3.65% interest (I don't think rates can get much better than that).

I am excited and very nervous at the same time. Something about your first property is nerve-wrecking! We will be inheriting the tenant next to us, but they are on a month-to-month agreement. They have been renting there for 3 years now, and it seems like they take good care of the unit when we did our inspection. They are using Section 8 so that'll be a learning experience right off the bat.

I was putting off buying a property for so long, because I didn't think we could afford it. As it turns out, it was a lot more doable than I realized. It helps that we were able to apply the rent from one side of the duplex toward our income to qualify. 

We are getting in to this property for about $3k out of pocket, which allows us to keep our reserves healthy for any unexpected expenses. Being a RE Broker representing myself in the transaction, it turns out I can use my commission as a "buyer credit", which is about $8k. The seller is contributing $2k toward our closing costs and the listing agent is contributing another $2.5k toward our closing costs. (Word of advice here: never ask an agent to contribute part of their commission toward your closing costs or you risk seriously damaging your relationship with them. In our case, it was a very tough negotiation with a stubborn seller, and the listing agent offered her contribution to bring the deal together. I've also built a great relationship with a majority of the local agents in my area, so that helps too). 

We haven't even moved in to this one yet, and I'm already looking at how we can get the next deal! 

Thank you, BP! 

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Financial services executive · Frederick, MD · Member since 2015 · 609 posts · 341 votes
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Congrats. You'll find Section 8 to be a breeze. You need to take your HUD1  to the Housing Authority so they can switch the direct deposit over to you. The good and bad thing is they'll likely be around all day. I like that at my remote rentals. I wouldn't care for it with them next door. I suggest you give them a plan of contact, hours method etc that takes place out and away from the home. Set clear boundaries that you don't want to receive reports about problems at your home. If they try stand firm cause nothing is worse than bitching tenants when you're trying to wind down. Finally, be nice but aloof. Don't make friends  brief and professional. If they lose their voucher you might have to put themy out one day.

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  • Wholesaler · Bloomfield, NJ · Member since 2016 · 104 posts · 16 votes
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    @Jenna Estefan Congrats I can't wait to have that experience of purchasing my first rental property as well. I wish you much more success.

  • Investor/Realtor · Hoover, AL · Member since 2010 · 1k+ posts · 459 votes
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    Congrats!!!

  • Real Estate Broker · Tacoma, WA · Member since 2016 · 34 posts · 14 votes
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    Originally posted by @Shanel Wiggins:

    @Jenna Estefan Good to know each state operates differently as far as licensure. In NYS, all licenses are not "brokers" for first time agents you will get a "Salesperson License", after 2 years of operating as a Salesperson you can apply to be a broker (I believe you need additional training and must take a state exam). So, the licensed salesperson must hang their license under a licensed broker. 

     Oh ok that makes sense - Washingtons States calls all of us brokers. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Tacoma, WA · Member since 2016 · 34 posts · 14 votes
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    @Albert Bui Your posts on this thread are so informational!! I wish I could bookmark them!

  • Investor · Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2015 · 27 posts · 4 votes
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    Congratulations on getting your first deal, it is inspiring and motivating. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Pompano Beach, FL · Member since 2014 · 6 posts · 2 votes
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    Thanks for sharing that. Did you need A1 credit to aquire the 3.65 down?

  • Investor · Urbandale, IA · Member since 2016 · 10 posts · 4 votes
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    Wait !, don't sign a new lease right away...  make sure you have a quality renter / neighbor, if they are on month to month you have options, once you sign a new lease your options are very , limited.  just saying they might really have 4 cars, friends or family living there, ... it can go on and on, congrats ! 

  • Investor · Providence, RI · Member since 2016 · 142 posts · 40 votes
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    Hey @Jenna Estefan, first... congratulations!  Also I'm just a little confused when you say $3000 out of pocket but the purchase price is $278k, wouldn't 3.5% be $9730?

    I'm actually just a little behind you doing the same thing, my deal is pending inspection and a few other (hopefully minor) things.  I'm putting 5% down on the house which is $175k and that comes to $8.9k 

  • Gerald JordanPro Member
    Investor · Columbia, MD · Member since 2014 · 35 posts · 7 votes
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    Congrats Jenna this is a good example for me and I have picked up some good information for when I decide to purchase my first multi-unit. Thanks for sharing.

  • Investor · NJ · Member since 2015 · 182 posts · 38 votes
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    Originally posted by @Jenna Estefan:

    @Shanel Wiggins it is interesting that each state is unique. WA changed to an all broker state, and now we have 3 levels of brokers, Broker, Managing Broker and Designated Broker. After 3 years you are eligible to take an exam to be a Managing Broker. A broker and managing broker must hang their license under a designated broker. Sounds like it pretty much works the same, just with different titles. PS that's funny you're in Mount Vernon, NY because the duplex we are buying is in Mount Vernon, WA. 

    @Amanda W. It's depends on which state you get licensed in. Each state has specific license requirements, and you have to be licensed in the state you plan to do business, so that might make it difficult if you're going to be moving from state to state frequently and doing deals in different states. Some people get licensed in multiple states, but I'm not sure how difficult that would be. In WA, to get your license, you have to do 90 hours of RE courses that are approved by the DOL and then you have to pass a State and National exam. Then you have to do continuing education. Just depends on your goals/needs if it's worth it to you. Hope that helps! 

    You should look into if you can get multiple VA/FHA loans. I believe you can get multiple FHA loans if you move away, so that could be a great way to acquire rentals as you move along, just be careful to not over-leverage yourself and that you have enough reserves to cover yourself if there is a disaster at one of your properties.

     Yes, I wonder how this will work out once I apply for reciprocity in other states. I am looking for a brokerage to hang my license with, then I will submit my application to NYS for my salesperson license. 

    Btw, That is funny!!! When I seen that you said you were buying in Mt. Vernon I thought for a quick second that you were pertaining to NY. Then, I realized that there is a Mt. Vernon in other states :)

  • Investor · NJ · Member since 2015 · 182 posts · 38 votes
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    Originally posted by @Eboni Allen:
    Originally posted by @Shanel Wiggins:

    @Jenna Estefan Good to know each state operates differently as far as licensure. In NYS, all licenses are not "brokers" for first time agents you will get a "Salesperson License", after 2 years of operating as a Salesperson you can apply to be a broker (I believe you need additional training and must take a state exam). So, the licensed salesperson must hang their license under a licensed broker. 

     Oh ok that makes sense - Washingtons States calls all of us brokers. 

     Yes, it was a little confusing for a moment. 

  • Orlando, FL · Member since 2015 · 33 posts · 10 votes
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    Congrats~! amazing news. Blessings indeed.

  • Lender · Bellevue WA & Orange County, CA · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @David Stephens:

    Thanks for sharing that. Did you need A1 credit to aquire the 3.65 down?

     Hi david,

    FHA is credit insensitive, same with VA veterans financing so the best pricing at 720 + fico and the pricing at 660-680 pricing is only fractionally off meaning your rate will barely be different, maybe .125% at most.

    This is a stark difference from conventional where the 40-60 point difference in fico is literally .375% to .50% difference in rate a borrower will receive, not to mention potential points as well. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2015 · 96 posts · 31 votes
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    Congratulations to you and your family and especially you for being such a savvy investor!

  • Daniel DietzPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Reedsburg, WI · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 857 votes
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    @Albert Bui,

    Are there 'low down payment options' other than FHA where you do NOT need to do a refinance down the road to get rid of the PMI? I am thinking multi-family owner occupied and I am in a 'rural area' where I know a lot of single family buyers are doing USDA Loans if that matters.

    Thanks, Dan Dietz

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    Investor · Skagit County, WA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 807 votes
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    @Jenna Estefan Congrats on your purchase Jenna! I think that's a great way to get started. We are investing neighbors, as I love Mount Vernon for investing, and my family has lots of four-plexes and single family rentals in the area. How long have you been a real estate agent?

    We are currently in the process of doing a similar process as you. We are buying two homes on one lot and will live in the main house and rent out the older back one. Such a smart strategy for real estate investing!

  • Information Systems and Cyber Security Manager – US ARMY · Augusta, GA · Member since 2015 · 128 posts · 30 votes
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    Originally posted by @Eboni Allen:

    @Albert Bui Your posts on this thread are so informational!! I wish I could bookmark them!

     You can bookmark them...  just dump the thread to evernote. :-)  I evernote everything.  They have a browser button you can install that will allow you to grab all or just a portion of any web page.  Clip all artcles, receipts, blog posts..  and then I can search in evernote and it will bring up anything related to my search criteria. Best app ever.  As a side note you can even take hand written notes and photos of documents which are then OCR'd (text is made searchable) automagically by evernote.

  • Real Estate Broker · Tacoma, WA · Member since 2016 · 34 posts · 14 votes
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    @John McConnell Thanks! I will do that.

  • Realtor · Murfreesboro, TN · Member since 2016 · 6 posts · 6 votes
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    Congratulations! Very exciting stuff. I am looking to do the same now.

  • Investor · Quincy, MA · Member since 2016 · 11 posts · 5 votes
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    Congrats!

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Mount Vernon, WA · Member since 2015 · 28 posts · 47 votes
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    @Stephen Torti Yes, the total costs to close the loan including the down payment is around $16-17k. Between seller and agent concessions and using my commission as a buyer credit, I only need to bring about $3,000 cash to close. Hope that makes sense. Good luck with your purchase! 

    @Craig Anfinson Smart, I'll definitely want to feel them out. I just want to make sure to set expectations up front. The current property manager told me I'll have to sign a new agreement with them for the Housing Authority, I don't know if that's accurate or not but guess I'll find out! I'll still keep them on month to month either way. 

    @Julie Marquez Coming up on 3 years as an agent. Are you buying for yourself in Seattle or more up north? Skagit County seems to make a lot of sense for investing, plus I grew up in Anacortes so very familiar with the area. What are you doing to find deals in the area? 

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Mount Vernon, WA · Member since 2015 · 28 posts · 47 votes
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    Thank you everyone for all your comments and feedback. All the support is even more motivating! 

  • Financial services executive · Frederick, MD · Member since 2015 · 609 posts · 341 votes
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    I suggest you get a free Google Voice number for maintenance requests. This way you can turn off calls past a certain hour or for any other reason you don't want them to forward through. It has also useful features like call recording which you'll probably find useful down the road.

  • Highlands, NJ · Member since 2016 · 52 posts · 9 votes
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    First off Congrats!!! Also thanks for sharing your story in such details, and wish ya the best of luck! I am looking to do the same exact scenario as you. 

  • Lender · Haverhill, MA · Member since 2016 · 60 posts · 21 votes
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    I'd like to know if you actually get to closing on this loan. This looks like you will need 85% LTV on this loan because its an Identity of Interest Transaction http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/documents/huddoc?i...

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