Harris and Trump's Housing Plans from Last Night's Debate

https://www.housingwire.com/articles/harris-touches-on-housing-topics-in-presidential-debate/

Property Manager · Lansdale, PA · Member since 2021 · 844 posts · 1k+ votes

In last nights debate, Vice President Harris emphasized housing affordability, addressing the shortage of homes and proposing a plan to increase housing supply by 3 million units. She also highlighted her background and connection to first-time homebuyers, contrasting it with Trump’s real estate wealth.

Harris proposed tax credits for builders, cutting red tape, and a $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time buyers. She also touched on the rising cost of property insurance due to climate change. Trump did not address housing as directly but has previously suggested cutting regulations and using federal land for new construction.

Sharing this because it could have a significant impact on the housing market in the near and long term.

To read more, you can check out HousingWire's full article here: https://www.housingwire.com/articles/harris-touches-on-housi...

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Kristin Flores-Brockman

Real Estate Agent · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2021 · 142 posts · 59 votes

If Harris gets elected and implements this $25k for FTHB, guess what that will do to the price of the homes.....? increase them by $25k. People forget, there are implications when you give things away for free. Ultimately, someone will be paying for it. NOTHING is for free, someone ultimately pays for it.

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Steve K.
Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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Even with the pandemic, Trump era was by FAR much better for me and all I know. Which makes me wonder what it would have been without covid.
Your the first person I've know to coin Biden era as better.
Really?

Let's just look at the hard numbers:

Unemployment: Was 6.3% when Trump left office and is now 4.2%

Consumer Price Index: Was up 1.4% in 2020 and is now up 2.5%

Median Household Income: Rose 4% during Biden and FELL 2.9% during Trump. The Census called that “the first statistically significant decline since 2011".

Budget Deficit: Was $3.1 Trillion in 2020, is now $1.9 Trillion.

Federal Debt: Rose 39% during Trump, 25% during Biden.

Numbers don't lie. Trump inherited a strong economy in 2016 and left us with a struggling economy in 2020.

Blame Covid all you want. Part of the reason Covid was so bad for the US was that Trump fumbled the ball. Instead of working on a vaccine he sat in the Oval Office watching his fellow crackpots on Fox News and told everyone he believed the cure was to inject bleach into their veins. The guy mostly just worked on his golf game and watched TV while he was president.
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James Hamling
Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes
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Quote from @Steve K.:

Even with the pandemic, Trump era was by FAR much better for me and all I know. Which makes me wonder what it would have been without covid.
Your the first person I've know to coin Biden era as better.
Really?

Let's just look at the hard numbers:

Unemployment: Was 6.3% when Trump left office and is now 4.2%

Consumer Price Index: Was up 1.4% in 2020 and is now up 2.5%

Median Household Income: Rose 4% during Biden and FELL 2.9% during Trump. The Census called that “the first statistically significant decline since 2011".

Budget Deficit: Was $3.1 Trillion in 2020, is now $1.9 Trillion.

Federal Debt: Rose 39% during Trump, 25% during Biden.

Numbers don't lie. Trump inherited a strong economy in 2016 and left us with a struggling economy in 2020.

Blame Covid all you want. Part of the reason Covid was so bad for the US was that Trump fumbled the ball. Instead of working on a vaccine he sat in the Oval Office watching his fellow crackpots on Fox News and told everyone he believed the cure was to inject bleach into their veins. The guy mostly just worked on his golf game and watched TV while he was president.

Wow.... I had no idea you were like this Steve.... I just lost so much respect for you, I really truly did.

He NEVER said inject bleach in your veins, that's an out right LIE, it's ridiculous, and it comes from delusional HATE. Hate mongering.

Your are spinning things like a F5 tornado!

Trump was hit with the FULL FORCE of the covid pandemic. Entire governments nearly fell from covid. Europe was in taters. The world was in total chaos. And the US faired BEST is the world, FACTS. So much better than others that the US was exporting ventilators, masks, medical supplies to rest of world. No 1 person, party, group or anything can take credit for that, it was people being decent people, doing the best they could vs this insane political-everything obsession tribalism today! I know because I was part of that measure, as I worked with Dr Without Borders getting N95 masks out as I scoured and found "hidden supplies" from various home services warehouses and got them out there into medical services circulation. So I am speaking from some 1st hand knowledge here.

Because as chance has it N95 masks are also popularly used by RRP Contract work, so when hospitals called out for help, several of us in the trades side knowing this pitched in to help.

All the #'s your using are SOOOOO skewed. Why don't you just say GWBjr was worst pres for air travel because look at all the flight cancelations under him, then say how we need to ignore 911.

See, this is the BS that just irk's the hell outta me. Your so damn obsessed with your "tribe" being right that you will literally say anything, do anything, no limits.

If your side is legitimately so dang superior and "right" than you would NOT need to stoop to such BS. Hell, Pres. trump is far from flawless, how about sticking to facts, say how he's a horrible public speaker, because he is, the guy is atrocious. Or how about he is the living embodiment of hyperbolae, because again, he is. But no, you go into koo-koo-crazy-land BS on it......

JB and Kama-lama-ding-dong inherited "the" rebound nation, that's just a fact. Trump was saddled with epic hell the likes that nobody had dealt with in over 100 years, FACTS. So how about we not spin and distort the facts.

Myself and literally everyone I know, R, D, Independents ALL agree life was better under Trump, even despite covid. Why do we all say that, because it simply was.

We now have fights over which of the 44,279 genders a person is, kids getting even more bat-sh_t crazy, our society is in melt-down. Racism is worse than it's ever been in my entire life time or my parents lifetime. Wars raging left right and center. Disparity gap is now the disparity grand canyon. Journalism went extinct as the parasite called marketing-media took it over so we can't trust literally ANYTHING anymore because everything is with some bias. The polarized extremist nut jobs on BOTH sides seem to have taken the steering wheel and one is yelling to drive us off a cliff the other yelling to drive straight into it and us sane people are just in the fetal position rocking back and fourth trying to wake up from this damn nightmare that the crazies have broke out the nut-barn and took over......

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Michael Quarles
Flipper/Rehabber · Bakersfield, CA · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
2y
Quote from @James Hamling:

Quote from @Steve K.:

Even with the pandemic, Trump era was by FAR much better for me and all I know. Which makes me wonder what it would have been without covid.
Your the first person I've know to coin Biden era as better.
Really?

Let's just look at the hard numbers:

Unemployment: Was 6.3% when Trump left office and is now 4.2%

Consumer Price Index: Was up 1.4% in 2020 and is now up 2.5%

Median Household Income: Rose 4% during Biden and FELL 2.9% during Trump. The Census called that “the first statistically significant decline since 2011".

Budget Deficit: Was $3.1 Trillion in 2020, is now $1.9 Trillion.

Federal Debt: Rose 39% during Trump, 25% during Biden.

Numbers don't lie. Trump inherited a strong economy in 2016 and left us with a struggling economy in 2020.

Blame Covid all you want. Part of the reason Covid was so bad for the US was that Trump fumbled the ball. Instead of working on a vaccine he sat in the Oval Office watching his fellow crackpots on Fox News and told everyone he believed the cure was to inject bleach into their veins. The guy mostly just worked on his golf game and watched TV while he was president.

Wow.... I had no idea you were like this Steve.... I just lost so much respect for you, I really truly did.

He NEVER said inject bleach in your veins, that's an out right LIE, it's ridiculous, and it comes from delusional HATE. Hate mongering.

Your are spinning things like a F5 tornado!

Trump was hit with the FULL FORCE of the covid pandemic. Entire governments nearly fell from covid. Europe was in taters. The world was in total chaos. And the US faired BEST is the world, FACTS. So much better than others that the US was exporting ventilators, masks, medical supplies to rest of world. No 1 person, party, group or anything can take credit for that, it was people being decent people, doing the best they could vs this insane political-everything obsession tribalism today! I know because I was part of that measure, as I worked with Dr Without Borders getting N95 masks out as I scoured and found "hidden supplies" from various home services warehouses and got them out there into medical services circulation. So I am speaking from some 1st hand knowledge here.

Because as chance has it N95 masks are also popularly used by RRP Contract work, so when hospitals called out for help, several of us in the trades side knowing this pitched in to help.

All the #'s your using are SOOOOO skewed. Why don't you just say GWBjr was worst pres for air travel because look at all the flight cancelations under him, then say how we need to ignore 911.

See, this is the BS that just irk's the hell outta me. Your so damn obsessed with your "tribe" being right that you will literally say anything, do anything, no limits.

If your side is legitimately so dang superior and "right" than you would NOT need to stoop to such BS. Hell, Pres. trump is far from flawless, how about sticking to facts, say how he's a horrible public speaker, because he is, the guy is atrocious. Or how about he is the living embodiment of hyperbolae, because again, he is. But no, you go into koo-koo-crazy-land BS on it......

JB and Kama-lama-ding-dong inherited "the" rebound nation, that's just a fact. Trump was saddled with epic hell the likes that nobody had dealt with in over 100 years, FACTS. So how about we not spin and distort the facts.

Myself and literally everyone I know, R, D, Independents ALL agree life was better under Trump, even despite covid. Why do we all say that, because it simply was.

We now have fights over which of the 44,279 genders a person is, kids getting even more bat-sh_t crazy, our society is in melt-down. Racism is worse than it's ever been in my entire life time or my parents lifetime. Wars raging left right and center. Disparity gap is now the disparity grand canyon. Journalism went extinct as the parasite called marketing-media took it over so we can't trust literally ANYTHING anymore because everything is with some bias. The polarized extremist nut jobs on BOTH sides seem to have taken the steering wheel and one is yelling to drive us off a cliff the other yelling to drive straight into it and us sane people are just in the fetal position rocking back and fourth trying to wake up from this damn nightmare that the crazies have broke out the nut-barn and took over......

Careful the BP gods will remove your post. They removed mine.

it seems that they pick and choose which people they remove.
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Alecia LovelessPro Member
Member since 2019 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
2y
@Noah Bacon In my geographic area and market which is a 75 mile radius I can’t think of a single home that’s been built in years that didn’t cost at least $400,000. There are probably some less expensive Modular’s that have been placed but not many.
It’s just not cost affordable to build new construction here. I just got an estimate of $180,000 to convert existing space into a 3 bedroom apartment. I can buy two more apartment buildings with at least 8-10 units for $180,000.
I dont think just because she says she’s going to encourage an additional 3MM homes to be built per year means it will reach a lot of areas in this country just as others have pointed out.
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Dan H.Pro Member
Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
2y
Quote from @James Hamling:

Quote from @Steve K.:

Even with the pandemic, Trump era was by FAR much better for me and all I know. Which makes me wonder what it would have been without covid.
Your the first person I've know to coin Biden era as better.
Really?

Let's just look at the hard numbers:

Unemployment: Was 6.3% when Trump left office and is now 4.2%

Consumer Price Index: Was up 1.4% in 2020 and is now up 2.5%

Median Household Income: Rose 4% during Biden and FELL 2.9% during Trump. The Census called that “the first statistically significant decline since 2011".

Budget Deficit: Was $3.1 Trillion in 2020, is now $1.9 Trillion.

Federal Debt: Rose 39% during Trump, 25% during Biden.

Numbers don't lie. Trump inherited a strong economy in 2016 and left us with a struggling economy in 2020.

Blame Covid all you want. Part of the reason Covid was so bad for the US was that Trump fumbled the ball. Instead of working on a vaccine he sat in the Oval Office watching his fellow crackpots on Fox News and told everyone he believed the cure was to inject bleach into their veins. The guy mostly just worked on his golf game and watched TV while he was president.

Wow.... I had no idea you were like this Steve.... I just lost so much respect for you, I really truly did.

He NEVER said inject bleach in your veins, that's an out right LIE, it's ridiculous, and it comes from delusional HATE. Hate mongering.

Your are spinning things like a F5 tornado!

Trump was hit with the FULL FORCE of the covid pandemic. Entire governments nearly fell from covid. Europe was in taters. The world was in total chaos. And the US faired BEST is the world, FACTS. So much better than others that the US was exporting ventilators, masks, medical supplies to rest of world. No 1 person, party, group or anything can take credit for that, it was people being decent people, doing the best they could vs this insane political-everything obsession tribalism today! I know because I was part of that measure, as I worked with Dr Without Borders getting N95 masks out as I scoured and found "hidden supplies" from various home services warehouses and got them out there into medical services circulation. So I am speaking from some 1st hand knowledge here.

Because as chance has it N95 masks are also popularly used by RRP Contract work, so when hospitals called out for help, several of us in the trades side knowing this pitched in to help.

All the #'s your using are SOOOOO skewed. Why don't you just say GWBjr was worst pres for air travel because look at all the flight cancelations under him, then say how we need to ignore 911.

See, this is the BS that just irk's the hell outta me. Your so damn obsessed with your "tribe" being right that you will literally say anything, do anything, no limits.

If your side is legitimately so dang superior and "right" than you would NOT need to stoop to such BS. Hell, Pres. trump is far from flawless, how about sticking to facts, say how he's a horrible public speaker, because he is, the guy is atrocious. Or how about he is the living embodiment of hyperbolae, because again, he is. But no, you go into koo-koo-crazy-land BS on it......

JB and Kama-lama-ding-dong inherited "the" rebound nation, that's just a fact. Trump was saddled with epic hell the likes that nobody had dealt with in over 100 years, FACTS. So how about we not spin and distort the facts.

Myself and literally everyone I know, R, D, Independents ALL agree life was better under Trump, even despite covid. Why do we all say that, because it simply was.

We now have fights over which of the 44,279 genders a person is, kids getting even more bat-sh_t crazy, our society is in melt-down. Racism is worse than it's ever been in my entire life time or my parents lifetime. Wars raging left right and center. Disparity gap is now the disparity grand canyon. Journalism went extinct as the parasite called marketing-media took it over so we can't trust literally ANYTHING anymore because everything is with some bias. The polarized extremist nut jobs on BOTH sides seem to have taken the steering wheel and one is yelling to drive us off a cliff the other yelling to drive straight into it and us sane people are just in the fetal position rocking back and fourth trying to wake up from this damn nightmare that the crazies have broke out the nut-barn and took over......

I believe this is direct quote:
“And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful.”

so he proposed injecting disinfectant (not bleach specifically, but bleach is a disinfectant).

imo many of these posts are not RE related. The OP’s post was about the candidates plans associated with housing. Definitely RE related.

Better off in trump presidency or Biden is not. Whether trump indicated to inject with bleach is not.

Me personally will never vote for someone who prevented a peaceful transition because his ego could not take that he lost. I feel he is like the crazy old man that every family and tolerates but pitys.

I am not a fan of many of Harris’ beliefs. Even though RE is far from free market, I am not a fan of taking it further from a free market.

Whatever your thoughts, vote.
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Steve K.
Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
2y
Quote from @James Hamling:

Quote from @Steve K.:

Even with the pandemic, Trump era was by FAR much better for me and all I know. Which makes me wonder what it would have been without covid.
Your the first person I've know to coin Biden era as better.
Really?

Let's just look at the hard numbers:

Unemployment: Was 6.3% when Trump left office and is now 4.2%

Consumer Price Index: Was up 1.4% in 2020 and is now up 2.5%

Median Household Income: Rose 4% during Biden and FELL 2.9% during Trump. The Census called that “the first statistically significant decline since 2011".

Budget Deficit: Was $3.1 Trillion in 2020, is now $1.9 Trillion.

Federal Debt: Rose 39% during Trump, 25% during Biden.

Numbers don't lie. Trump inherited a strong economy in 2016 and left us with a struggling economy in 2020.

Blame Covid all you want. Part of the reason Covid was so bad for the US was that Trump fumbled the ball. Instead of working on a vaccine he sat in the Oval Office watching his fellow crackpots on Fox News and told everyone he believed the cure was to inject bleach into their veins. The guy mostly just worked on his golf game and watched TV while he was president.

Wow.... I had no idea you were like this Steve.... I just lost so much respect for you, I really truly did.

He NEVER said inject bleach in your veins, that's an out right LIE, it's ridiculous, and it comes from delusional HATE. Hate mongering.

Your are spinning things like a F5 tornado!

Trump was hit with the FULL FORCE of the covid pandemic. Entire governments nearly fell from covid. Europe was in taters. The world was in total chaos. And the US faired BEST is the world, FACTS. So much better than others that the US was exporting ventilators, masks, medical supplies to rest of world. No 1 person, party, group or anything can take credit for that, it was people being decent people, doing the best they could vs this insane political-everything obsession tribalism today! I know because I was part of that measure, as I worked with Dr Without Borders getting N95 masks out as I scoured and found "hidden supplies" from various home services warehouses and got them out there into medical services circulation. So I am speaking from some 1st hand knowledge here.

Because as chance has it N95 masks are also popularly used by RRP Contract work, so when hospitals called out for help, several of us in the trades side knowing this pitched in to help.

All the #'s your using are SOOOOO skewed. Why don't you just say GWBjr was worst pres for air travel because look at all the flight cancelations under him, then say how we need to ignore 911.

See, this is the BS that just irk's the hell outta me. Your so damn obsessed with your "tribe" being right that you will literally say anything, do anything, no limits.

If your side is legitimately so dang superior and "right" than you would NOT need to stoop to such BS. Hell, Pres. trump is far from flawless, how about sticking to facts, say how he's a horrible public speaker, because he is, the guy is atrocious. Or how about he is the living embodiment of hyperbolae, because again, he is. But no, you go into koo-koo-crazy-land BS on it......

JB and Kama-lama-ding-dong inherited "the" rebound nation, that's just a fact. Trump was saddled with epic hell the likes that nobody had dealt with in over 100 years, FACTS. So how about we not spin and distort the facts.

Myself and literally everyone I know, R, D, Independents ALL agree life was better under Trump, even despite covid. Why do we all say that, because it simply was.

We now have fights over which of the 44,279 genders a person is, kids getting even more bat-sh_t crazy, our society is in melt-down. Racism is worse than it's ever been in my entire life time or my parents lifetime. Wars raging left right and center. Disparity gap is now the disparity grand canyon. Journalism went extinct as the parasite called marketing-media took it over so we can't trust literally ANYTHING anymore because everything is with some bias. The polarized extremist nut jobs on BOTH sides seem to have taken the steering wheel and one is yelling to drive us off a cliff the other yelling to drive straight into it and us sane people are just in the fetal position rocking back and fourth trying to wake up from this damn nightmare that the crazies have broke out the nut-barn and took over......

Here is what he said, verbatim (parenthesis are mine, the rest is his):

"So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous... whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light... and I think you said that hasn't been checked but you're going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside of the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting... and then I see the disinfectant (talking about bleach) where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? So it'd be interesting to check that. I'm not a doctor. But I'm, like, a person that has a good you-know-what (points to his head)."

Perhaps paraphrasing this to say that he said people should inject bleach as a cure is slightly unfair, but I wouldn't call it a lie because the underlying point is accurate: he was suggesting that injecting bleach was a cure and bragging about how smart he is because he came up with the idea, and it's obviously all crazy talk. It was a sensitive time for the country and a terrible time for the president to engage in crazy talk like that during a press conference, which is why it got so much attention and is still referenced. You were working with DR's without borders (good for you btw), he was propagating conspiracy theories and bragging about his brilliant idea to cure covid by putting UV light and disinfectant into the body.

For the record I read both Fox News and CNN and I realize that the truth is somewhere in between the two. I agree with you that we are in the "post-truth" era of journalism unfortunately. I consider myself a centrist so I don't really have a "side". I have voted for Republicans, so your comments about tribalism are false assumptions. I truly disliked Trump before he became a Republican (he has switched parties 5 times remember).

I'm from the NYC area originally and not many there like him. He and his family have long held a reputation in the city for not being honest people. For example they are well-known for stiffing contractors (which by the way weren't you a contractor)? Trump actually wasn't respected at all as a businessman in the NYC business community. He was always more of a joke. A flashy rich kid pretending to be a real estate investor, without really being part of the real estate investment inner circle like the Rudin's and Tisch's. They all laughed at him. But he eventually spun his inherited wealth into an image of being a smart businessman (despite several bankruptcies, many failed businesses, burning a lot of people and being part of many, many bad deals and scams). His biggest success was his show where he played a successful businessman (which is when he started writing off $70k per year for his hair which you can see in his tax returns, and $95k for his daughters hair). If anyone doubts he's a grifter just look at his tax returns which is why he never released them like every other president has. 73% of his home town voted against him in 2020. What does that say about a person when nobody in their home town even likes them?

You can lose respect for me for having a different opinion than you if you want, or we can just agree to disagree. I'd prefer the latter although I have to say your ranting about communism and name-calling and some other comments here are pretty off-putting at times. For example saying racism is worse than it was in our parents lifetime... my parents remember when there were separate bathrooms and water fountains for different races and people were still being lynched in the South, so it's obviously an egregiously untrue statement although I agree that racism is still a big problem. I have relatives who like Trump and we agree to disagree but still love each other.

The underlying issue is like you said: true unbiased journalism is extinct and has devolved into rivaling echo chambers vying for clicks to sell ads. I understand why we've become so polarized and more people are moving to the extremes, so I try not to judge people personally for their opinions. We are all just misinformed. But my opinion of Trump precedes all that, and he's only gotten worse since then. You have a different opinion and that's fine, you've gotten different information on which you base your opinion. We can agree to disagree and not get personal.

I've said my piece and look forward to getting back to talking about real estate with you. This is why I'm not a fan of discussing politics on BP!
edit: Dan H. beat me to it, and more concisely too.
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Ron Brady
Rental Property Investor · Burlington County, NJ · Member since 2019 · 540 posts · 771 votes
2y
Quote from @Steve K.:

Quote from @James Hamling:

Quote from @Steve K.:

Even with the pandemic, Trump era was by FAR much better for me and all I know. Which makes me wonder what it would have been without covid.
Your the first person I've know to coin Biden era as better.
Really?

Let's just look at the hard numbers:

Unemployment: Was 6.3% when Trump left office and is now 4.2%

Consumer Price Index: Was up 1.4% in 2020 and is now up 2.5%

Median Household Income: Rose 4% during Biden and FELL 2.9% during Trump. The Census called that “the first statistically significant decline since 2011".

Budget Deficit: Was $3.1 Trillion in 2020, is now $1.9 Trillion.

Federal Debt: Rose 39% during Trump, 25% during Biden.

Numbers don't lie. Trump inherited a strong economy in 2016 and left us with a struggling economy in 2020.

Blame Covid all you want. Part of the reason Covid was so bad for the US was that Trump fumbled the ball. Instead of working on a vaccine he sat in the Oval Office watching his fellow crackpots on Fox News and told everyone he believed the cure was to inject bleach into their veins. The guy mostly just worked on his golf game and watched TV while he was president.

Wow.... I had no idea you were like this Steve.... I just lost so much respect for you, I really truly did.

He NEVER said inject bleach in your veins, that's an out right LIE, it's ridiculous, and it comes from delusional HATE. Hate mongering.

Your are spinning things like a F5 tornado!

Trump was hit with the FULL FORCE of the covid pandemic. Entire governments nearly fell from covid. Europe was in taters. The world was in total chaos. And the US faired BEST is the world, FACTS. So much better than others that the US was exporting ventilators, masks, medical supplies to rest of world. No 1 person, party, group or anything can take credit for that, it was people being decent people, doing the best they could vs this insane political-everything obsession tribalism today! I know because I was part of that measure, as I worked with Dr Without Borders getting N95 masks out as I scoured and found "hidden supplies" from various home services warehouses and got them out there into medical services circulation. So I am speaking from some 1st hand knowledge here.

Because as chance has it N95 masks are also popularly used by RRP Contract work, so when hospitals called out for help, several of us in the trades side knowing this pitched in to help.

All the #'s your using are SOOOOO skewed. Why don't you just say GWBjr was worst pres for air travel because look at all the flight cancelations under him, then say how we need to ignore 911.

See, this is the BS that just irk's the hell outta me. Your so damn obsessed with your "tribe" being right that you will literally say anything, do anything, no limits.

If your side is legitimately so dang superior and "right" than you would NOT need to stoop to such BS. Hell, Pres. trump is far from flawless, how about sticking to facts, say how he's a horrible public speaker, because he is, the guy is atrocious. Or how about he is the living embodiment of hyperbolae, because again, he is. But no, you go into koo-koo-crazy-land BS on it......

JB and Kama-lama-ding-dong inherited "the" rebound nation, that's just a fact. Trump was saddled with epic hell the likes that nobody had dealt with in over 100 years, FACTS. So how about we not spin and distort the facts.

Myself and literally everyone I know, R, D, Independents ALL agree life was better under Trump, even despite covid. Why do we all say that, because it simply was.

We now have fights over which of the 44,279 genders a person is, kids getting even more bat-sh_t crazy, our society is in melt-down. Racism is worse than it's ever been in my entire life time or my parents lifetime. Wars raging left right and center. Disparity gap is now the disparity grand canyon. Journalism went extinct as the parasite called marketing-media took it over so we can't trust literally ANYTHING anymore because everything is with some bias. The polarized extremist nut jobs on BOTH sides seem to have taken the steering wheel and one is yelling to drive us off a cliff the other yelling to drive straight into it and us sane people are just in the fetal position rocking back and fourth trying to wake up from this damn nightmare that the crazies have broke out the nut-barn and took over......

Here is what he said, verbatim (parenthesis are mine, the rest is his):

"So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous... whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light... and I think you said that hasn't been checked but you're going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside of the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting... and then I see the disinfectant (talking about bleach) where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? So it'd be interesting to check that. I'm not a doctor. But I'm, like, a person that has a good you-know-what (points to his head)."

Perhaps paraphrasing this to say that he said people should inject bleach as a cure is slightly unfair, but I wouldn't call it a lie because the underlying point is accurate: he was suggesting that injecting bleach was a cure and bragging about how smart he is because he came up with the idea, and it's obviously all crazy talk. It was a sensitive time for the country and a terrible time for the president to engage in crazy talk like that during a press conference, which is why it got so much attention and is still referenced. You were working with DR's without borders (good for you btw), he was propagating conspiracy theories and bragging about his brilliant idea to cure covid by putting UV light and disinfectant into the body.

For the record I read both Fox News and CNN and I realize that the truth is somewhere in between the two. I agree with you that we are in the "post-truth" era of journalism unfortunately. I consider myself a centrist so I don't really have a "side". I have voted for Republicans, so your comments about tribalism are false assumptions. I truly disliked Trump before he became a Republican (he has switched parties 5 times remember).

I'm from the NYC area originally and not many there like him. He and his family have long held a reputation in the city for not being honest people. For example they are well-known for stiffing contractors (which by the way weren't you a contractor)? Trump actually wasn't respected at all as a businessman in the NYC business community. He was always more of a joke. A flashy rich kid pretending to be a real estate investor, without really being part of the real estate investment inner circle like the Rudin's and Tisch's. They all laughed at him. But he eventually spun his inherited wealth into an image of being a smart businessman (despite several bankruptcies, many failed businesses, burning a lot of people and being part of many, many bad deals and scams). His biggest success was his show where he played a successful businessman (which is when he started writing off $70k per year for his hair which you can see in his tax returns, and $95k for his daughters hair). If anyone doubts he's a grifter just look at his tax returns which is why he never released them like every other president has. 73% of his home town voted against him in 2020. What does that say about a person when nobody in their home town even likes them?

You can lose respect for me for having a different opinion than you if you want, or we can just agree to disagree. I'd prefer the latter although I have to say your ranting about communism and name-calling and some other comments here are pretty off-putting at times. For example saying racism is worse than it was in our parents lifetime... my parents remember when there were separate bathrooms and water fountains for different races and people were still being lynched in the South, so it's obviously an egregiously untrue statement although I agree that racism is still a big problem. I have relatives who like Trump and we agree to disagree but still love each other.

The underlying issue is like you said: true unbiased journalism is extinct and has devolved into rivaling echo chambers vying for clicks to sell ads. I understand why we've become so polarized and more people are moving to the extremes, so I try not to judge people personally for their opinions. We are all just misinformed. But my opinion of Trump precedes all that, and he's only gotten worse since then. You have a different opinion and that's fine, you've gotten different information on which you base your opinion. We can agree to disagree and not get personal.

I've said my piece and look forward to getting back to talking about real estate with you. This is why I'm not a fan of discussing politics on BP!
edit: Dan H. beat me to it, and more concisely too.

@Steve K. I appreciate your data, your consideration of all of the issues, your capacity to be self-reflective and recognize the imperfect choice of the far better plans and proposals, your professionalism with presenting your perspective and your willingness to share your point of view. I also appreciate your calling out the full-on intellectual bankruptcy of some comments. Your patience when responding to some unhinged screeds is remarkable. Glad to read your additions to the discussion.
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Errol GrahamPro Member
Investor · FL · Member since 2020 · 38 posts · 25 votes
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I have read through a number of the posts on this thread.It is really hypocritical to say that a policy is bad when it gives a tax break or subsidy to someone else but good when I get the tax break or subsidy.
It also engenders more inequity in the society when the wealthy gets more tax breaks but there is none for the poor.
Finally it is not helpful for a debate or discussion when participants don’t bring facts or their personal experiences but rather resort to specific political talking points.
As real estate investors, i believe that we have a responsibility to objectively analyze policies or proposed policies that will impact the sector and the economy as a whole.
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Noah BaconPro Member
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Property Manager · Lansdale, PA · Member since 2021 · 844 posts · 1k+ votes
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This post is largely not staying on topic anymore and we feel like the majority of points made on this subject are already posted. Please reach out to me or [email protected] if you have questions or comments.
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