1st Post! Toledo OH?

1st Post! Toledo OH?

Austin, TX · Member since 2026 · 8 posts · 9 votes

Hey everyone, first post here!

I'm based in Austin, TX and just starting to look at out-of-state buy-and-hold rentals — single family and small multifamily, budget around $100-150K per property. Plan is to self-manage my first couple of properties before bringing in a PM once I scale up.

Toledo keeps coming up in my research for cash flow, and I've seen 43605, 43608, and 43609 mentioned as the go-to zips for lower-priced deals. Before I go further I'd love some real-world input:

- What's the current on-the-ground reality in those three zips — tenant quality, turnover, vacancy?
- Given I'll be self-managing at first (out of state), are these zips realistic for that, or would you steer a first-timer toward something a notch safer/easier?
- Any specific streets/pockets within those zips you'd avoid vs. feel good about?
- Are there other Toledo-area neighborhoods (or nearby Ohio markets) you'd recommend instead for someone with my setup?

Appreciate any insight — trying to do this right rather than fast. Thanks in advance!

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Ashish AcharyaBusiness Member
CPA, CFP®, PFS · FL · Member since 2017 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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Nathan, I’d be careful about choosing a Toledo zip code based mainly on purchase price and projected cash flow.

For an out-of-state first rental, I’d put a lot of weight on tenant turnover, property condition, block-by-block differences, and how easy the property will be to manage remotely. A cheaper house can look great on paper and still become the more expensive investment if you’re dealing with frequent turnovers, deferred maintenance, collections issues, or a lot of hands-on management from another state.

I'd also avoid treating 43605, 43608, or 43609 as if every property inside the zip performs the same way. With markets like Toledo, the street and immediate pocket can matter just as much as the zip code. I'd want local rent comps, recent sales, vacancy history, property-manager feedback, and a realistic repair/CapEx estimate for the exact property.

Since you’re planning to self-manage at first, I’d also ask yourself whether the extra yield is worth the additional operational complexity. Sometimes paying a little more for a cleaner property in a more stable pocket makes more sense for a first out-of-state rental than chasing the absolute highest cap rate.

From the tax side, I’d also compare the after-tax return, not just the headline cash flow. Depreciation, financing, repairs versus improvements, and your eventual management structure can all affect the real economics.

Feel free to DM me, I’d be happy to send over our Turn Key Rental Analyzer so you can compare Toledo properties using the same assumptions instead of relying only on listing numbers.

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  • Ashish AcharyaBusiness Member
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    Nathan, I’d be careful about choosing a Toledo zip code based mainly on purchase price and projected cash flow.

    For an out-of-state first rental, I’d put a lot of weight on tenant turnover, property condition, block-by-block differences, and how easy the property will be to manage remotely. A cheaper house can look great on paper and still become the more expensive investment if you’re dealing with frequent turnovers, deferred maintenance, collections issues, or a lot of hands-on management from another state.

    I'd also avoid treating 43605, 43608, or 43609 as if every property inside the zip performs the same way. With markets like Toledo, the street and immediate pocket can matter just as much as the zip code. I'd want local rent comps, recent sales, vacancy history, property-manager feedback, and a realistic repair/CapEx estimate for the exact property.

    Since you’re planning to self-manage at first, I’d also ask yourself whether the extra yield is worth the additional operational complexity. Sometimes paying a little more for a cleaner property in a more stable pocket makes more sense for a first out-of-state rental than chasing the absolute highest cap rate.

    From the tax side, I’d also compare the after-tax return, not just the headline cash flow. Depreciation, financing, repairs versus improvements, and your eventual management structure can all affect the real economics.

    Feel free to DM me, I’d be happy to send over our Turn Key Rental Analyzer so you can compare Toledo properties using the same assumptions instead of relying only on listing numbers.

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  • Nicholas L.Pro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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    Hi @Nathan Hagstrom . There is no 'cash flow' right now on long term rentals in any market - none. Purchasing a rental and putting it into service is expensive, as you'll have thousands and thousands of dollars in unreimbursed costs that will take YEARS to pay yourself back for /pay off - closing costs, rent-ready costs, lease-up costs, repairs, turnover. Just because you make more than expenses in some random month is, in my opinion, not true cash flow until all the costs I mentioned are paid back. And new investors tend to hit a big cap ex item or a rough turnover and get discouraged when they are not prepared for it.

    I also think investing OOS at that price point is exceptionally difficult. Just to be blunt - no one in a local market attempts to hold top deals for random out of state investors; the best ones get snapped up quickly. And no one is going to manage for you, like you would manage yourself. If you're serious about this, you need to be able to travel to the market and do some of the tough work yourself IN PERSON setting up a network, getting to know a neighborhood, and looking at properties. And if that's not for you, then real estate investing may not be for you.

    I don't mean for this to come off as discouraging but I just see no point in sugar coating how challenging the market is everywhere right now.

    Unfortunately, returns on non value add LTRs are very, very low right now. I know this is a real estate forum (and I am still buying), but I am encouraging new investors to think very carefully about where to allocate their cash. It's not obvious to me that a random LTR is going to perform well.

    Hope this helps

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    • Austin, TX · Member since 2026 · 8 posts · 9 votes
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      @Nicholas L.  really appreciate your honest and raw feedback here, its definitely much appreciated. Noted on being in he market and networking. Would love to connect with you further on this if you are open to it? 

    • Member since 2023 · 93 posts · 60 votes
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      "rent-ready costs"

      Yes - This.

      Do some research on the Toledo Lead-Safe ordinance. City of Toledo | Lead Safe Certificate

      Toledo is serious about this. They are sending out court summons to owners that are not compliant. They are also sending out City auditors to confirm inspections performed by private lead inspectors.

      If the house has exterior paint you are expected to have 0% deterioration. Same for the interior.

      Pay attention to the windows. This is the area that causes the most pain and wallet-drain. Even when owners have added siding and trim around the windows, those old window-pane dividers are usually neglected. If the paint is degraded, then they need to be individually scraped and repainted - interior and exterior. That task alone is putting a lot of work on all the painters and handymen in Toledo.

      I have seen out-of-state buyers purchase from pictures provided by sellers. Scores of pictures, and from every angle, and all of a beautiful house. These pictures were photo-shopped beyond belief. I mean - I'm not a civil lawyer, but the degree that I have seen I would consider fraud.

      *** I suggest you make a friend/business-partner in Toledo that you pay to advise you. This would include not only the condition of the house itself, but also the things you cannot see in the listing. For example, what about the house next door? The entire block? Local knowledge that is not included in the listing. You mention 43608. I know that zip well. In my mind - Ghetto (no offense to anyone - just my opinion). There is good value to be found there, but you or a trusted partner need to be on the ground to identify it.

      Back to the lead risk for a minute. An important item you need to know. If you own an occupied unit one of these two things could happen:

      1. You receive a court summons, because you did not get a lead-safe certificate beyond the timeline.

      2. An occupant in the house is identified with a severely elevated Blood Lead Level (BLL), and the Health Dept puts a Lead Hazard Control Order (LHCO) on your house.

      If either of those happen, you are now trapped. You are the one held accountable, and you do not have the option of simply walking-away at that point. They have the option to hold you accountable. I have seen people in that situation.

      Regarding the first - that is the lesser of the two. You need to work with an EPA RRP certified person to get the house to the level to pass an inspection and get the Lead Safe Cert. The government is not yet in your business of how you are getting the work done. You know the protocols. Get it done; get your cert; and hire a lawyer to appear for you in court with your compliance proof.

      The second, a LHCO, is more serious. Now the Health Dept is involved, and they will be auditing your work process. You will need to hire RRP personnel, and you may be required to hire Lead Abatement contractors. They are expensive.

      Back to 43608 ... if you told me you bought a house there and you later learned that you needed to put $7,000 of labor and supplies into it just to get the Lead Safe Cert and you needed to do it fast (now), then I would not be phased at all. Not the slightest bit surprised. Keep in mind, I'm not talking about roofing, mechanicals, cabinets, flooring, et al. I'm talking about addressing potential lead risk hazards. Addressing these potential hazards may or may not (more likely) add any value to the house. It's very frustrating for people spending a couple thousand dollars scraping and repainting window pane dividers when they realize that all they have done is become compliant, but they still have 100-year-old windows that are structurally failing. How about scaping and painting that useless, collapsing garage? Yes. Either that or demo it. Those are your choices.

      I am not trying to paint a doomsday scenario here. I just want all people (in or out of state) to understand these requirements and their associated risks. A lot of people are getting caught off-guard.

      Regards,

      Chris

      (Disclosure - I am an Ohio Lead Risk Assessor. I make money in this process, so I have a conflict. However, nothing in my post is driven by that conflict, i.e. I am not trying to make any money from this post. I am simply sharing things I have seen from the ground).

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
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  • Diana KhanPro Member
    Attorney · 10451 Mill Run Cir #755 Owings Mills, MD 21117 · Member since 2024 · 375 posts · 144 votes
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    Quote from @Nathan Hagstrom:

    Hey everyone, first post here!

    I'm based in Austin, TX and just starting to look at out-of-state buy-and-hold rentals — single family and small multifamily, budget around $100-150K per property. Plan is to self-manage my first couple of properties before bringing in a PM once I scale up.

    Toledo keeps coming up in my research for cash flow, and I've seen 43605, 43608, and 43609 mentioned as the go-to zips for lower-priced deals. Before I go further I'd love some real-world input:

    - What's the current on-the-ground reality in those three zips — tenant quality, turnover, vacancy?
    - Given I'll be self-managing at first (out of state), are these zips realistic for that, or would you steer a first-timer toward something a notch safer/easier?
    - Any specific streets/pockets within those zips you'd avoid vs. feel good about?
    - Are there other Toledo-area neighborhoods (or nearby Ohio markets) you'd recommend instead for someone with my setup?

    Appreciate any insight — trying to do this right rather than fast. Thanks in advance!

    @Nathan Hagstrom, one thing I’ve seen with out of state investors is that the property can look great on paper, but the real test is whether you can actually manage the landlord side from hundreds of miles away.

    Before buying, I would want to understand the local rental rules, have a lease that fits the state and property, and know exactly who will handle things that cannot wait for you to fly in. That includes repairs, access, notices, inspections, and problems with a tenant. I’ve seen investors save money by self-managing, then realize the harder part was not collecting rent. It was having a reliable process when something went wrong.

    I’d be glad to stay connected, @Nathan Hagstrom. I like that you’re trying to learn the market before buying because with an out-of-state first property, the management and legal setup can matter just as much as the cash flow.

  • Arman AhmedPro Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus Cleveland Dayton, OH · Member since 2024 · 2k+ posts · 917 votes
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    Quote from @Nathan Hagstrom:

    Hey everyone, first post here!

    I'm based in Austin, TX and just starting to look at out-of-state buy-and-hold rentals — single family and small multifamily, budget around $100-150K per property. Plan is to self-manage my first couple of properties before bringing in a PM once I scale up.

    Toledo keeps coming up in my research for cash flow, and I've seen 43605, 43608, and 43609 mentioned as the go-to zips for lower-priced deals. Before I go further I'd love some real-world input:

    - What's the current on-the-ground reality in those three zips — tenant quality, turnover, vacancy?
    - Given I'll be self-managing at first (out of state), are these zips realistic for that, or would you steer a first-timer toward something a notch safer/easier?
    - Any specific streets/pockets within those zips you'd avoid vs. feel good about?
    - Are there other Toledo-area neighborhoods (or nearby Ohio markets) you'd recommend instead for someone with my setup?

    Appreciate any insight — trying to do this right rather than fast. Thanks in advance!

    Toledo can be worth a look, but I’d be careful about judging it by ZIP code alone. For a first out-of-state purchase, I’d focus heavily on the specific street, tenant demand, and having a solid local team, especially if you plan to self-manage. I’d also compare neighboring Ohio markets, since there are a few promising areas that may be a better fit for your budget and strategy.

    • Austin, TX · Member since 2026 · 8 posts · 9 votes
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      @Arman Ahmed Hi Arman, any particular market in OH as an alternative you would recommend? 

  • Investor · USA · Member since 2017 · 94 posts · 71 votes
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    Hello Nathan,

    I maintain a residence in DFW and in Toledo where i have properties. It is doable but it is challenging. I am in Toledo twice a month which is how I am able to make it work but even then it is difficult. I am finishing a house and you have to inspect what you expect even with trusted contractors.

    Nate

    • Austin, TX · Member since 2026 · 8 posts · 9 votes
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      @Nathaniel Walker Hi Nate, thanks for the note back here. Would you be open to connecting? 

    • Investor · USA · Member since 2017 · 94 posts · 71 votes
      21h

      Yes, please feel free. I am on a cruise this week but I am available any time after this week to connect. Since I have multiple properties in Toledo I fonnd it helpful to get a local telephone number as some contractors won't return out of state calls.

      Nate

  • Gregory AcsPro Member
    Lender · MD · Member since 2025 · 162 posts · 62 votes
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    Welcome to BiggerPockets, Nathan!

    It sounds like you're taking the right approach by doing your research before jumping into a deal. Since you're investing out of state, I'd spend as much time building a reliable local team as you do analyzing neighborhoods. A good agent, property manager, contractor, and lender can make a huge difference, especially when you're managing from a distance.

    I'd also recommend getting your financing strategy in place before you narrow down a property. Knowing exactly what you qualify for and how your numbers will look can help you move quickly when the right opportunity comes along. If you'd like to discuss financing options for an out of state investment, I'd be happy to help.

    • Austin, TX · Member since 2026 · 8 posts · 9 votes
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      @Gregory Acs thank you for taking the time to respond and giving some good advice here. I'm definitely open to connecting. Shoot me a DM

  • Alfath AhmedBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Nathan Hagstrom I haven't sold many investment properties in Toledo but I do a ton of volume in Cleveland and Columbus. Toledo is a cheaper market and it is easy to cashflow there.

    However, Cleveland is better in cashflow and more population and easier rentability. I don't recommend you self-manage from OOS ever. Hire a good PM that can actually take care of your property.

    • Austin, TX · Member since 2026 · 8 posts · 9 votes
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      @Alfath Ahmed thanks Alfath, appreciate your insights here and I have also heard good things about Cleveland. Any particular neighbourhoods you recommend there? 

  • Specialist · I give advice - [email protected] - I focus on states where investing is profitable, reasonably safe & secure · Member since 2026 · 46 posts · 8 votes
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    Quote from @Nathan Hagstrom:

    Hey everyone, first post here!

    I'm based in Austin, TX and just starting to look at out-of-state buy-and-hold rentals — single family and small multifamily, budget around $100-150K per property. Plan is to self-manage my first couple of properties before bringing in a PM once I scale up.

    Toledo keeps coming up in my research for cash flow, and I've seen 43605, 43608, and 43609 mentioned as the go-to zips for lower-priced deals. Before I go further I'd love some real-world input:

    - What's the current on-the-ground reality in those three zips — tenant quality, turnover, vacancy?
    - Given I'll be self-managing at first (out of state), are these zips realistic for that, or would you steer a first-timer toward something a notch safer/easier?
    - Any specific streets/pockets within those zips you'd avoid vs. feel good about?
    - Are there other Toledo-area neighborhoods (or nearby Ohio markets) you'd recommend instead for someone with my setup?

    Appreciate any insight — trying to do this right rather than fast. Thanks in advance!

    One of the most surprising revelations an investor from an expensive market like Austin has in dealing with inexpensive markets like Toledo, is to "think, they all think, the same thinking" as you. The don't. Your expectations can inversely determine your profitability. You are likely to over guess the return and under guess how challenging it would be dealing with troubled renters, and the experience can be exhausting and frustrating. Many people do one property become disillusioned, and move on to something simpler like training alligators.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Dubai · Member since 2026 · 24 posts · 5 votes
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    @Nathan Hagstrom

    Nathan, welcome! One thing I'd be very careful about is self managing your first properties from another state. A cheap property can quickly become expensive when every maintenance issue requires someone on the ground.

    With your $100K–$150K budget, I'd focus less on finding the cheapest zip code and more on finding a property that requires the least intervention.

    Before buying I'd do three things. 1- speak with at least two local property managers, 2- get actual rental and vacancy figures for the specific streets you're considering, and 3- have a contractor inspect the property thoroughly.

    I would also calculate your returns assuming one month of vacancy, unexpected repairs and professional management fees, even if you plan to manage everything yourself

  • Real Estate Agent · Minster, OH · Member since 2019 · 35 posts · 19 votes
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    @Nathan Hagstrom Let's connect. I'd love to discuss ideas/opportunities.

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
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    If you invest OOS, your biggest challenge won't be finding properties to meet your goals on paper, it’ll be successfully building a knowledgeable & trustworthy local team.

    The biggest mistake we see OOS investors making in our market, over and over again, is not fully understanding Neighborhood/Property/Tenant Classes and how they impact your probability of success!

    They all run their ROI numbers assuming Class A results – when buying Class B, C & even D rentals.

    Then they’re shocked when their performance expectations aren't met😞

    If you choose to invest OOS, and have little to no landlord experience, we highly recommend targeting Class B Neighborhoods/Properties/Tenants. If you target Class C, you better be prepared emotionally & financially for plenty of challenges.

    You can find Class B properties in the Midwest to BRRRR, but it will take more digging and YOU will need to understand how to analyze & identify them - because a lot of agents, wholesalers, PMCs, etc. will try to sell you Class C or D misrepresented as Class B:

    ·      Many of them don't know/care what Class the properties are, so they're incompetent.

    ·         Others know exactly what they are doing, so should be labeled as crooks!
    EITHER WAY YOU LOSE!

    Why is Property Class so important for investors to understand and apply in their investing strategies?

    Because the Property Class dictates the Class of the tenant pool that the property will attract.

    The Tenant Class greatly impacts rental income stability and property maintenance/damage by tenants.

    Both Property Class and Tenant Class will affect what type of contractors, handymen and property management companies you should target and be willing to deal with a property.

    The Property Class will also impact the maintenance & renovations you do to, “Maintain to the Neighborhood/Market”.

    Why is that important?

    Well, if you buy & renovate a property in Class D area to Class A standards, what Tenant Class will actually rent it?

    Or, if you put several Class D tenants in a Class A four-plex, what do you think will happen to the property?

    What do you think will happen if you rehab a Class D rental to Class A standards?

    So, if you fail to apply the correct assumptions to a property, your expectations won’t be met, and it may even be a financial disaster.

    We use the following to rank Property Classes, in order of importance:

    • Property Tenant Pool: closely linked to location, but not always.

    • Property Location: closely linked to tenant pool, but not always.

    • Property Condition & Amenities: it’s important to, “Maintain to the Neighborhood/Market.”

    Key metrics for each Property Class:

    Class A Properties:
    Tenant Pool: Majority of FICO scores 680+, no convictions/evictions in last 7 years.
    Tenant Default: 0-5% probability of eviction or early lease termination.
    Section 8: Class A rents are too high and won’t be approved.
    Vacancies: 5-10%, depending on market conditions.
    Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.

    Class B Properties:
    Tenant Pool: Majority of FICO scores 620-680, some blemishes, no convictions/evictions in last 5 years.
    Tenant Default
    : 5-10% probability of eviction or early lease termination.
    Vacancies
    : 10-15%, depending on market conditions.
    Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 1-3 years for positive cashflow, balanced amounts of relative rent & value appreciation.
    Section 8: Class B rents are usually too high for the Section 8 program.

    Class C Properties:
    Tenant Pool: Majority of FICO scores 560-620, many blemishes, but should have no convictions/evictions in last 3 years. Verifying recent 2-years of rental history very important! Same for 2-years of job/income stability.
    Tenant Default: 10-20% probability of eviction or early lease termination.
    Section 8: Class C rents usually meet program requirements, proper screening still recommended.
    Vacancies: 10-20%, depending on market conditions and tenant screening.
    Cashflow vs Appreciation: Should cashflow immediately, at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation.

    Class D Properties:
    Tenant Pool: Majority of FICO scores under 560, little to no good tradelines, lots of collections & chargeoffs, but should have no convictions/evictions in last 12 months. Verifying last 2-years of rental history and income/employment extremely important to find the “best of the worst”.
    Tenant Default: 20-30% probability of eviction or early lease termination.
    Section 8: Class D rents meet program requirements, often challenges to pass Section 8 inspection.
    Vacancies: 20%+, depending on market conditions and tenant screening.
    Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, all cashflow with little, maybe even negative, relative rent & value appreciation.

    Where did we get our FICO credit score information from?

    Check out this chart:

    FICO Score

    Pct of Population

    Default Probability

    800 or more

    13.00%

    1.00%

    750-799

    27.00%

    1.00%

    700-749

    18.00%

    4.40%

    650-699

    15.00%

    8.90%

    600-649

    12.00%

    15.80%

    550-599

    8.00%

    22.50%

    500-549

    5.00%

    28.40%

    Less than 499

    2.00%

    41.00%

    Make sure you understand the Class of properties you are looking at and the corresponding results to expect.

    For example, Metro Detroit has 132 cities and the City of Detroit 183 Neighborhoods, which we’re analyzing and classifying to make better investing decisions.

  • Lender · Las Vegas · Member since 2026 · 22 posts · 3 votes
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    I wonder why you are considering beginning in OH vs TX? There are many local TX deals to test the waters and your fortitude. If you want to be more active, that is my first suggestion. Any time you go farther away, some of those issues become more difficult if you don't have a great system in place and allows you the chance to test things. Just my thoughts. Good luck.

    • Austin, TX · Member since 2026 · 8 posts · 9 votes
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      @James Irvine Fair enough of you to ask. Finding a good deal in TX is hard due to property taxes. But maybe worth me considering on my 1st one. 

  • Gregory AcsPro Member
    Lender · MD · Member since 2025 · 162 posts · 62 votes
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    Welcome to BiggerPockets, Nathan!

    It sounds like you’re taking the right approach by researching the market before making an offer. Since you’re investing out of state, I’d focus just as much on building a strong local team as I would on choosing the right neighborhood. A good agent, property manager, contractor, and lender can make a huge difference, especially when you’re buying your first investment.

    I’d also recommend getting your financing lined up early so you know exactly what your buying power is before the right deal comes along. That puts you in a much stronger position when you’re ready to make an offer. I’m a mortgage broker and work with out-of-state investors regularly. If you’d like to talk through financing options for your first rental, feel free to send me a message.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    I was just in Toledo last week .. its a MUCH bigger MSA than I had imagined and like all cities it has its A areas B areas C areas and D areas .. What I always tell folks is if your out of state find out what the median price point is for the MSA and then buy at that point or higher.. simple logic dictates that if the median is say 225k which I suspect I am close even though its a WAG on my part.. homes that are in the median tend to have a really good mix of owner occ and rental opportunities and is the safest.. remember this is about equity preservation Not gambling on whether D class home will actually work.

  • Min ZhangBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    23h

    Hi there, Nathan! Toledo is worth looking into, but I’d probably look beyond just the ZIP codes and pay attention to the specific area and the numbers on each property. Since you’ll be managing from out of state, having a good local contact would be really helpful too. I’d also compare a few nearby markets before deciding where to start.

  • V.G JasonPro Member
    Investor · Member since 2022 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    You're in arguably the greatest city in the world, but you seek dirt?

    Austin has no income tax, will grow to be the 2nd biggest tech hub, will become a massive combo metro with San Antonio and you want to go to Toledo. It's also in a correction which is a great time to pursue.

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