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Joshua Dorkin Verified Donor

BiggerPockets Founder from Denver, Colorado

Oct 23 '12, 06:45 AM
3 votes


A little over 3 years ago, we initiated a system on the site called 'influence'. This
Influence System was designed to reward those users who engage and give back to BiggerPockets.

At first, the system was lauded almost universally by our members, but at a certain point in time it started to become a point of contention. Eventually we changed the system to one that we believed to be more fair and even, but unfortunately, in evaluating the system and your reaction to it, we realized that perhaps the system was doing more harm than good.

Many of our users felt that 'influence' wasn't an accurate measure of their actual influence on the site, and sadly, some of our power users were turned off and cut their participation here.

While I'll argue that the system always did what it was designed to do -- measure those people who at any point in time were making the most impact on the site -- I'm also willing to accept that the system was never perfect by any means.

With that in mind, as we continue our push to improve the site and execute 'Project Simplify' we've decided that it is time for influence to become a relic of the past.

As you can see, there is no longer an influence score reflected on the forum sidebar or on your profiles. As a gift to you for our 8th BiggerPockets Birthday, we've killed off the influence system.

I know several people who will be very happy about this, and extend an invitation to them to return to the site. For those of you who liked the system, I'm sorry, but it just had to go.

Like anything else that we do, I expect strong reaction here. As some of you like to say [pulls out the popcorn] . . .



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Uwe S.

Real Estate Investor from Dublin, Ohio

Oct 23 '12, 07:16 AM


Joshua,
I loved the old influence system and it was a pleasure to have it on profile.
With the new one it changed all there was no more fun. I think you know my reaction posts of the new one.

So its good to kill it even its hard for you. Thank you.

-Uwe



James Vermillion Donor

Real Estate Investor from Lexington, Kentucky

Oct 23 '12, 07:48 AM


I never cared about the influence system one way or another. Having read the "Project Simplify" plan I see where the move is coming from and look forward to future changes to improve the community.



J Scott Moderator Donor

Real Estate Investor from Ellicott City, Maryland

Oct 23 '12, 07:53 AM


Good decision...congrats Josh!



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Al Williamson

Multi-family Investor from Sacramento, California

Oct 23 '12, 09:18 AM


Hey, it's good to re-evaluate and make changes - especially if it leads you in a more focused direction. Onward!



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Nick J.

Real Estate Investor from Scottsdale, Arizona

Oct 23 '12, 09:48 AM


I respect and support your decision.



Joel Owens Moderator

Real Estate Broker from Canton, Georgia

Oct 23 '12, 10:15 AM
3 votes


It doesn't bother me.

My connections,fun of sharing info,and landing business wasn't from people seeing my influence score.

It was from them finding posts of me helping others and sharing information on the site freely and with the expectation of nothing in return.

I come to the forums because it's a fun way to interact and learn as well.I do not drink coffee so this is my coffee in the morning !



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Carlos Flores

Real Estate Investor from Dallas, Texas

Oct 23 '12, 12:11 PM
1 vote


RIP influence bar.



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Bill G.

Real Estate Investor from Springfield, Missouri

Oct 23 '12, 01:34 PM


Josh, I too support the move. I bet you can tell who has added the most to the site on any basis, daily, weekly or monthly. Just a simple acknowledgment might be nice from the powers that be, perhaps on a monthly basis. Maybe a top blogger and forum contributor, I'm sure there are many ways to say thanks to those who might give a little more keeping the site moving. I'm sure all the regulars know too who actively contributes. I'm glad you took it off and while I may have held the 100 pts for a long time, I sure got razzed for it....LOL.



Karen Margrave Moderator

Developer from Orange County, California

Oct 23 '12, 01:46 PM


:( Personally I used it as a motivator to post! I guess I'm just to competitive. Either way, BP is a great site, and it's your baby Josh!



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Joshua Dorkin Verified Donor

BiggerPockets Founder from Denver, Colorado

Oct 23 '12, 01:56 PM
2 votes


Thanks for all the feedback guys!

Karen M. - Hopefully the removal of the system doesn't de-motivate you to engage here on the site. You've become one of the thought leaders in the community, which is a great thing!



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Joel Owens Moderator

Real Estate Broker from Canton, Georgia

Oct 23 '12, 04:34 PM


Is the awards thing still going or is that showing up for us as a historical thing as well??



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Jeff B.

Real Estate Investor from Taylor Mill, Kentucky

Oct 23 '12, 04:37 PM


I knew about the influence system. But the fact that it was there certainly didn't give me any reason to act/post one way or another. I'm not one to keep score anyway, so "influence" doesn't impress me. Good, fact based responses from knowledgable participants does impress me.

With or without the influence system, this is the most informative real estate site that I have found. I will continue to come here to get my questions answered and to offer my limited experience to others.



Ned Carey Moderator

Wholesaler from Baltimore, Maryland

Oct 23 '12, 06:05 PM
4 votes


@Joshua Dorkin I finally get some influence and you pull the rug out from under me. :-)

Ned "My influence is still 85" Carey

PS: People really stopped posting becuase they didn't like the influence system? Wow get a life.



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Dale Osborn

Mobile Home Investor from Spanaway, Washington

Oct 23 '12, 06:11 PM


Glad to see it go away.



K. Marie Poe

Real Estate Investor from Central Valley, California

Oct 23 '12, 06:17 PM


@Joshua Dorkin I appreciate that Influence is gone. While it did what you said it did--indicate participation--I think it was also suggestive of other things, without meaning to be. Kind of like the influence knowing someone's IQ or SAT scores has. Or which graduate schools they went to. Shouldn't matter but people have a hard time ignoring it.

I hadn't read the article about Project Simplify until this thread. Thanks for sharing about your process with the consultants and about honing in on what BP can do best. Sounds hard and but also sound rewarding. Gave me lots to think about in my own "business". I already run a very simplified ship, practically minimalist. I'm not sure that is serving anymore. So this past year I've been thinking more about what to add. Project Complicate doesn't sound too good. Maybe Project Intensify?

In the spirit of simplicity: are the categories for "Start a topic" up for revision, by any chance? There's so much to drag through and I find it difficult to know where it's supposed to go with that many choices.



K. Marie Poe

Real Estate Investor from Central Valley, California

Oct 23 '12, 06:23 PM
1 vote


Originally posted by @Ned Carey:
Joshua Dorkin I finally get some influence and you pull the rug out from under me. :-)

Ned "My influence is still 85" Carey

PS: People really stopped posting becuase they didn't like the influence system? Wow get a life.

Ned Carey You'll always be Ned "85" Carey to me. :)



Steve Babiak

Real Estate Investor from Audubon, Pennsylvania

Oct 23 '12, 06:47 PM


Originally posted by Ned Carey:
...

PS: People really stopped posting becuase they didn't like the influence system? Wow get a life.

I think @Joshua Dorkin was implying that some people got P.O.'d that their influence number declined, and they stopped posting as payback. We'll see if they come back or not with this change.



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Joshua Dorkin Verified Donor

BiggerPockets Founder from Denver, Colorado

Oct 23 '12, 06:51 PM


@Ned Carey - Yes. I can think of quite a few. That said, as our regular posters know, being active here brings so much value beyond anything that a point system could ever offer. The connections, opportunities, and deals that come to the leaders of this community trump any points that could ever be given away by us. - Josh 'Never Got to 100' Dorkin

@K. Marie Poe - The system wasn't perfect, and I never claimed it to be. I think it going away is definitely a net positive. I'm glad you read the article about Project Simplify and that it resounded with you. That's why I put it together. As for project Complicate/Intensify -- good luck!

Finally, on simplifying forum areas . . . that's definitely part of the plan. We started the process by combining all the advertising and dealmaking forums into one forum simply dubbed, the Real Estate Marketplace. There will be more of that in the coming week or two as the plan continues to come together.

To the others that have commented, but who I haven't responded to, thanks for sharing your thoughts. As always, I definitely appreciate it!



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Joshua Dorkin Verified Donor

BiggerPockets Founder from Denver, Colorado

Oct 23 '12, 06:57 PM


@Steve Babiak - It was really a no win situation except in the very beginning. Once people started to game the system and ran away with points (many people admit to it and I never had an issue except in a few cases where it was our fault for not thinking far enough ahead to stop it), people got mad and some left. When we switched to what I believe was a more equitable system, people got mad and some left. There was no winning for BP, no matter what we did.

Did some people get PO'd -- yep. Do we hope they come back . . . absolutely. I don't hold it against people for leaving at all.

The bottom line is that people -- even those that left -- know the incredible value that this site brings, and until that goes away (which I don't see happening any time soon), there is value in posting and participating that trump any points we could ever award.



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