Using 1031 to bail from Washington and invest elsewhere

Using 1031 to bail from Washington and invest elsewhere

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First time poster here.    We've decided to sell our 4Plex which we've held for 4 years.    We're giving up a 3.625% loan which speaks to our strong desire to look out of state.     We are looking hard at OKC, and still at AZ and TN.      We need to purchase 1.5mm in properties;  we owe 910K on our loan and anticipate our proceeds will be about $550K.    We are under contract for $1.579mm.         If we skip a 1031 our accountant tells us we'll owe $180K in boot taxes.

We are thinking about paying down our loan balance prior to closing; the 1031 would allow us to borrow less money..... even so, looking at rental properties of various sizes, with 40% down on a 6.99 30 year, we're seeing a few COC's in the 4-5% range. A few nicer properties as low as 3.5%. We have a 10 year time horizon so we're OK with relying on appreciation, rent increases, mortgage reduction to improve our net return. 10 year projections look very persuasive. One of many questions I have is..... in this higher interest rate environment, with objectives similar to ours, how low of a COC do experienced investors go to make deals? There's obviously a point where we'd be better off paying the boot tax and investing conservatively in a brokerage account.......

Thank you for your thoughts

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Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
11mo
Quote from @Perry Stanfield:

First time poster here.    We've decided to sell our 4Plex which we've held for 4 years.    We're giving up a 3.625% loan which speaks to our strong desire to look out of state.     We are looking hard at OKC, and still at AZ and TN.      We need to purchase 1.5mm in properties;  we owe 910K on our loan and anticipate our proceeds will be about $550K.    We are under contract for $1.579mm.         If we skip a 1031 our accountant tells us we'll owe $180K in boot taxes.

We are thinking about paying down our loan balance prior to closing; the 1031 would allow us to borrow less money..... even so, looking at rental properties of various sizes, with 40% down on a 6.99 30 year, we're seeing a few COC's in the 4-5% range. A few nicer properties as low as 3.5%. We have a 10 year time horizon so we're OK with relying on appreciation, rent increases, mortgage reduction to improve our net return. 10 year projections look very persuasive. One of many questions I have is..... in this higher interest rate environment, with objectives similar to ours, how low of a COC do experienced investors go to make deals? There's obviously a point where we'd be better off paying the boot tax and investing conservatively in a brokerage account.......

Thank you for your thoughts

We left Seattle for investing reasons. My understanding is that on a 1031 you can use multiple properties to make up the necessary amount. You should check and make sure that is accurate before relying on it though. I never did like the concept of having to buy within a specific time period to do a 1031.

We looked at various states for landlord favorability, cash flow, property taxes, natural disasters, livability, population inflow, etc. WE decided to transfer our investing to Arizona. We like and invest in Texas as well, but the combination of property taxes and ROI for the properties, left it in second place. So we invest in both.

Right now though, it seems prices are cooling in Austin and San Antonio. It isn't clear if you'd be moving to where you are investing or staying put, but I personally would want to be near my investments.
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  • Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11mo
    Quote from @Perry Stanfield:

    First time poster here.    We've decided to sell our 4Plex which we've held for 4 years.    We're giving up a 3.625% loan which speaks to our strong desire to look out of state.     We are looking hard at OKC, and still at AZ and TN.      We need to purchase 1.5mm in properties;  we owe 910K on our loan and anticipate our proceeds will be about $550K.    We are under contract for $1.579mm.         If we skip a 1031 our accountant tells us we'll owe $180K in boot taxes.

    We are thinking about paying down our loan balance prior to closing; the 1031 would allow us to borrow less money..... even so, looking at rental properties of various sizes, with 40% down on a 6.99 30 year, we're seeing a few COC's in the 4-5% range. A few nicer properties as low as 3.5%. We have a 10 year time horizon so we're OK with relying on appreciation, rent increases, mortgage reduction to improve our net return. 10 year projections look very persuasive. One of many questions I have is..... in this higher interest rate environment, with objectives similar to ours, how low of a COC do experienced investors go to make deals? There's obviously a point where we'd be better off paying the boot tax and investing conservatively in a brokerage account.......

    Thank you for your thoughts

    We left Seattle for investing reasons. My understanding is that on a 1031 you can use multiple properties to make up the necessary amount. You should check and make sure that is accurate before relying on it though. I never did like the concept of having to buy within a specific time period to do a 1031.

    We looked at various states for landlord favorability, cash flow, property taxes, natural disasters, livability, population inflow, etc. WE decided to transfer our investing to Arizona. We like and invest in Texas as well, but the combination of property taxes and ROI for the properties, left it in second place. So we invest in both.

    Right now though, it seems prices are cooling in Austin and San Antonio. It isn't clear if you'd be moving to where you are investing or staying put, but I personally would want to be near my investments.
  • Member since 2025 · 2 posts · 3 votes
    11mo

    Thank you Ken

    Grandkids, along with my wife's extreme affinity to our home, translate to us staying in the Washington area.    We're narrowing our focus to OKC, perhaps a 4Plex and a couple duplexes.  We're looking at tight margins but probably better than the bloodbath we'd experience with a $180k boot tax bill.

    • Rhett TullisBusiness Member
      Property Manager · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 617 votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Perry Stanfield:

      Thank you Ken

      Grandkids, along with my wife's extreme affinity to our home, translate to us staying in the Washington area.    We're narrowing our focus to OKC, perhaps a 4Plex and a couple duplexes.  We're looking at tight margins but probably better than the bloodbath we'd experience with a $180k boot tax bill.


       Duplex might be a good play here in okc but a 4plex will most likely be from the 1920's or so.  very few were build after that in the metro.  There are a few exceptions but not many. Still lots of other good deals out there though and I own a few duplexes myself that have been great over the years.

  • Basit SiddiqiBusiness Member
    Accountant · New York, NY · Member since 2015 · 8k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    11mo

    Did you do a cost segregation study on this property? 
    I am just trying to figure out why you would owe $180,000 in taxes.

    If the property did appreciate in a way that you would owe $180,000 after 4 years of ownership, that would mean the property appreciated a good amount.

    $900,000 appreciation if you are considering a 20% capital gains tax(or some hybrid between 15% capital gains tax and 25% depreciation recapture).

    With that said, if the property appreciated that much over a 4 year period, even if you lost money on cash flow, the appreciation more than made up for it.

  • Dave FosterBusiness Member
    Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    11mo

    @Perry Stanfield, I wouldn't be concerned about paying off the loan in your exchange because you will have to use all of the proceeds in your 1031 anyway to defer all of the tax. So you're better off adding the cash later on in your purchase if you want.

    Secondly, when it comes to a long-term play as such, you should focus more on the IRR (internal rate of return). Your NOI plus the amortization of the loan, plus the depreciation benefit, plus the appreciation of the property will show that your actual return is much better than just looking at the COC returns of the property. This is the whole key to buy and hold investing (the brrrr method in particular)

    What some investors like to do is what we call a diversification exchange, where you sell one investment property and invest in multiple smaller investment properties in a 1031 exchange. You could purchase the first one for cash and the second property with a loan. This allows you to mitigate risk and increase your cash flow potential with diversification, all while deferring the tax you would normally pay. 

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  • Member since 2025 · 29 posts · 13 votes
    11mo

    Hey @Perry Stanfield, I would highly recommend you reach out to @Jeremy Holden. He's an investor and agent in the Phoenix area and very dialed in to the market here.

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