Is it possible to make referral commission recommending a lender?

Is it possible to make referral commission recommending a lender?

Rental Property Investor · Medellin, Colombia · Member since 2016 · 231 posts · 215 votes

Hello BP world.  I know you can receive a commission as a real estate agent / broker if you have a license and refer business to someone, but does the same rule apply to mortgage lenders/brokers.  

Example - you have a lenders license and know someone ready to buy a house, you refer them to another lender - can you be paid some finders fee in this example? 

Thanks

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Lender · CA · Member since 2018 · 635 posts · 393 votes
3y

Hey Jonathan, short answer: depends.  For any conventional lending like Fannie/Freddie etc., the answer is a hard no.  You absolutely cannot.  For some commercial lending you can.  If you were looking to refer clients to a lender that was doing 1-4 unit residential standard lending, they would be legally prohibited from paying a referral in that case (as in your example, that would not work). 

But if you had your lending license and say your brokerage worked with a commercial bank on a commercial loan and you sent the client in and you gathered the documents and did a lot of the processing, you could, potentially receive a referral fee from them as they are not beholden to the same lending regulations as conventional lenders.

The problem with these arises when it comes time to refinance a lot of banks/lenders will try to cut you out and market directly to your client down the road.

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  • Lender · CA · Member since 2018 · 635 posts · 393 votes
    3y

    Hey Jonathan, short answer: depends.  For any conventional lending like Fannie/Freddie etc., the answer is a hard no.  You absolutely cannot.  For some commercial lending you can.  If you were looking to refer clients to a lender that was doing 1-4 unit residential standard lending, they would be legally prohibited from paying a referral in that case (as in your example, that would not work). 

    But if you had your lending license and say your brokerage worked with a commercial bank on a commercial loan and you sent the client in and you gathered the documents and did a lot of the processing, you could, potentially receive a referral fee from them as they are not beholden to the same lending regulations as conventional lenders.

    The problem with these arises when it comes time to refinance a lot of banks/lenders will try to cut you out and market directly to your client down the road.

  • Rental Property Investor · Medellin, Colombia · Member since 2016 · 231 posts · 215 votes
    3y

    Thanks for the feedback!  I need to see if this person was telling me bad information or maybe I misunderstood it.  Would it make any difference If I joined a firm? or even a specific firm.  

    My situation is that I have a lot of leads of potential buyers and we are connecting them with brokers.  I am trying to figure out if there is a way to vertically integrate this a bit more to include being compensated for helping people get loans as well.

  • Simmy AhluwaliaPro Member
    Lender · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 200 votes
    3y

    We offer referrals to realtors for INVESTMENT financing only, residential or commercial; HOWEVER, you can't double-dip.  

    If you have agency representation on the deal, your client is going to need financing regardless to Close.  If it's a simple referral for a client needing financing and you have NO agency/fiduciary relationship in the deal, then yes, we can work with that.

  • Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    3y

    @Jonathan Farber there is a mountain of details, variables, where it can become a very VERY long "well maybe if" conversation but I will just fast track this to what matters. 

    Short-short version is it's all sizzle and no steak. You'd be doing all kinds of gymnastics to ultimately capture a very small amount of $, making a very poor ROI.

    BUT, there is other ways to approach it that IS a good ROI. For example, a quid-pro-quo type relationship. For example, I have one lender I have worked with for years because he is legitimately the best resource for any of my retail buyers. He refers me clients whenever get's the chance in like kind, I never asked for this, we have no contract for it, he legitimately knows I am an amazing rock-star of Real Estate so there is that, but see, that's far more valuable than any tiny kick-back $.

    And now both him and one of my other lenders want to do some JV-type lead programs, in which they will pipeline new clients directly to me.

    That's the correct, most efficient, simple and profitable way to do this with lenders. 

    Again, they are not forced to do this, they just do it because I am damn good at what I do, so why wouldn't they want the best for there clients, only closed business = $ right. And same for myself, I want the best for my clients because only closed business = $. 

  • Lender · Freehold, NJ · Member since 2022 · 235 posts · 85 votes
    3y

    Hey Jonathan! You certainly can, depending on the lender. If we work with you and you recommend us to other people we can set up a referral program with you that if the loan closes you'll get compensated for it in some way. It just depends on the team that you work with!

    Send me a message!

  • Lender · FL · Member since 2023 · 27 posts · 17 votes
    3y

    Hello Jonathan, for conventional loans it's not possible. However, if it is an investment loan (depending on the type of loan) for a private lender you can get a referral fee. However, most lenders will take your client and then cut you out of the next deals.

  • Mark MunsonBusiness Member
    Lender · Orlando, FL · Member since 2022 · 440 posts · 300 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jonathan Farber:

    Hello BP world.  I know you can receive a commission as a real estate agent / broker if you have a license and refer business to someone, but does the same rule apply to mortgage lenders/brokers.  

    Example - you have a lenders license and know someone ready to buy a house, you refer them to another lender - can you be paid some finders fee in this example? 

    Thanks


    If they are non-owner occupied commercial loans, you can set up a referral or broker channel. Just make sure the lender you work with has a referral agreement or broker agreement, if they don't then I'd not do business with them. You want the agreement to be between you and the actual lender's name, some lenders are unethical and use shell-LLCs to execute the agreements so they can solicit your clients in the future and avoid going against the agreement. You want language in the agreement in regard to soliciting your clients, you should be protected for at least a year from the last loan you referred or brokered and you should have the ability to reengage the client if the client tries to circumvent you. There is a lot more to look out for, so message me if you need any feedback. 
  • Lender · Fort Mill, SCinstal · Member since 2016 · 68 posts · 64 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jonathan Farber:

    Hello BP world.  I know you can receive a commission as a real estate agent / broker if you have a license and refer business to someone, but does the same rule apply to mortgage lenders/brokers.  

    Example - you have a lenders license and know someone ready to buy a house, you refer them to another lender - can you be paid some finders fee in this example? 

    Thanks

    Generally, no.  Here is the regulation.   Compensation practices   "no loan originator may receive compensation from another person in connection with the same transaction".    On the external side, it is labeled a "kickback" and unethical.  You can lose your license, suffer fines and jail time.  

    That said, there are exceptions and here are a few:

    - Paying referrals is covered by RESPA (Internal referral fees)  - This is normally inside of the firm where you are not licensed in a particular state.  
    - Dual role - My company today has its real estate license.  In theory, I could put a realtor under me and it would be an internal referral fee.  
    MSA - You are allowed to build MSA's for co-marketing purposes, which kinda meets your purpose.  It is a gray area in the rules, but one were a lender might work with you.

    I can't think of another exception, but the group may be able to.

  • Lender · United States · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 499 votes
    3y

    As Simmy pointed out, investment properties and/or DSCR loans can be paid out a referral fee. I pay all my referrals, but that's because I do DSCR.

  • Lender · Collinsville, IL · Member since 2019 · 32 posts · 13 votes
    3y

    @Jonathan Farber confirming the responses mentioned above: for investor/non-owner occupied loans, a lender  can pay out a referral fee. We at Lendai (loans to foreign national investors) offer this for all partners referring business to us. Best of luck!

  • Lender · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 899 votes
    3y

    @Jonathan Farber-  " finders  fee"   from one lender to another not possible 

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