Painting

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Hello everyone,

I am working with two painters at the moment. They are both giving me different prices for Painting and Prep work. They do not have a unified idea on what prepping would be. I'm tired of the back and forth. I want to come up with something universal I hand to each painting contract. 'This is what we expect, give us numbers for these things'. Now I'm asking you guys. What do you think Prepping includes? Is drywall included in that? I'll make my list based on the majority of what you guys say. I'm trying to make this a smoother process. Any recommendations are appreciated!

Thanks,

Mike

When you say "is drywall included", what is that referring to? Installing drywall? Texturing drywall? Minor drywall repairs? Something else?

My painters don't do any major drywall work (which I understand because they're painters not drywall installers), but they do minor drywall repairs as part of their prep work. 

Originally posted by @Kyle J. :

When you say "is drywall included", what is that referring to? Installing drywall? Texturing drywall? Minor drywall repairs? Something else?

My painters don't do any major drywall work (which I understand because they're painters not drywall installers), but they do minor drywall repairs as part of their prep work. 

Drywall install. One of my painters said something about that. They said it's finish work, not prep work. I'm just trying to come up with a list of what we expect our painter to do. If we say Prep work it means certain specific things. I'm seeking clear communication. I'm noticing lots of energy being wasted on back and forth phone calls, all of this comparison etc. I know that everything isn't black or white all the time, but I'm just trying to get it together the best I can.

What does it matter what they classify some part of the job as?

Walk through the house and point out everything you want them to do and tell them to give you a price.

(I own 42 rental units and paint quite a bit on the side. I don't install drywall but have access to people who can so I package quote based on what they will charge me for the install.)

I have one guy do everything. Wallpaper removal, drywall install, fix holes, prep prime paint. One throat to choke if there's issues.

One thing I do differently is prep. Some guys just wipe down, and some guy clean with chemicals before primer. What do you guys do? I haven't had any issues but I don't have any from a long time ago. Usually I prime and two coats of paint.

Originally posted by @Josh C. :

I have one guy do everything. Wallpaper removal, drywall install, fix holes, prep prime paint. One throat to choke if there's issues.

One thing I do differently is prep. Some guys just wipe down, and some guy clean with chemicals before primer. What do you guys do? I haven't had any issues but I don't have any from a long time ago. Usually I prime and two coats of paint.

One throat to choke if there's an issue. Josh I have to steal that from you. You're hilarious. 

I'm not sure what prep generally is. I looked some stuff up on google. it's a dead giveaway I don't know much about painting. I'm new and learning the ropes, but generally speaking this a learning experience for me AND I feel it will eventually moves things along.

 I'm just trying to put together a list of responsibilities for the painters. I could walk them around the house, but I just want to them to see a list, so that everyone is on the same page and i can get faster quotes that way. I would rather not have them ask me what I mean by prep or if this is included etc. I want all their questions to be answered so they don't have to ask me (or most). I know it's not a perfect world and I will still get questions, but I want to limit them.

Prep work depends on the job itself .   Each job is different .

Originally posted by @Matthew Paul :

Prep work depends on the job itself .   Each job is different .

 I know that it's different, but say I make a sheet that highlights the things I want done to the particular house we are flipping. I can print off a sheet highlight numbers 1, 4, 5, and then hand it over and ask for a quote based on this specific prep and painting. See what I mean. Oh Matthew Paul, It's good to see some people in my area.

I had a friend that was on a professional drywall crew and they never painted. In my personal opinion I would say that paint prepping would include just scraping back peeling paint, filling in any minor holes in trim with some wood putty, priming the surface, and painting. Assuming you have the option, I'd say leave the drywall to the professional finishing crew and the painting to the painters. Hope this helps! Good luck!

Originally posted by @Justin Grubbs :

I had a friend that was on a professional drywall crew and they never painted. In my personal opinion I would say that paint prepping would include just scraping back peeling paint, filling in any minor holes in trim with some wood putty, priming the surface, and painting. Assuming you have the option, I'd say leave the drywall to the professional finishing crew and the painting to the painters. Hope this helps! Good luck!

 @Justin Grubbs , you are the man! I really appreciate it. This is exactly what I am looking for. Does anyone agree or disagree slightly or completely with what he is saying?

Originally posted by @Mike V. :
Originally posted by @Matthew Paul:

Prep work depends on the job itself .   Each job is different .

 I know that it's different, but say I make a sheet that highlights the things I want done to the particular house we are flipping. I can print off a sheet highlight numbers 1, 4, 5, and then hand it over and ask for a quote based on this specific prep and painting. See what I mean. Oh Matthew Paul, It's good to see some people in my area.

 I  didnt notice that , you are just down Ritchie Highway from me .  Highlighting what you want done is good , but also listen to what they want to do . Why ? They may see something you arent aware of . If you tell me to do A, B , then C and I do it that way and something screws up , its not my problem .  

Where are you doing the rehab ?   I have a couple people looking for houses in Severna Park .  Problem is they are looking on the cheaper end , less than $ 375,000. 

We operate a drywall contracting business in Grand Rapids, MI.  All of the advice is good on this thread.  @Justin Grubbs  has a great recommendation for how to handle this in his region.  @Josh C.  has a great rec for how to handle this in his region (especially the one throat to choke wisdom).  In my experience, drywall and paint are conflated in some markets and treated as different trades in other markets.

When in doubt, it is easy to go materials suppliers (drywall specific, or paint specific, not the lumber yard that has a pile of drywall in the back). They will tell you how these trades are customarily approached in your region. You might ask the two painters which supplier they use to purchase drywall. Another option might be to ask your REI network in the area for their recommendations.

It is a lot easier to hire a bad contractor than it is to fire a bad contractor.  Stay diligent and plod through the back and forth communication frustrations.  The effort you make to figure this out for this project will add value to your future projects, as well.

Good luck!  Keep at it.

If you are dealing with a painter that is a "specialist" then you will definitely be back and forth on every project. I prefer dealing with good painters that are "generalists". The good generalists will preform a variety of tasks and be easier to negotiate with.

Frank R

Originally posted by @Chad Hovermale :

We operate a drywall contracting business in Grand Rapids, MI.  All of the advice is good on this thread.  @Justin Grubbs  has a great recommendation for how to handle this in his region.  @Josh C.  has a great rec for how to handle this in his region (especially the one throat to choke wisdom).  In my experience, drywall and paint are conflated in some markets and treated as different trades in other markets.

When in doubt, it is easy to go materials suppliers (drywall specific, or paint specific, not the lumber yard that has a pile of drywall in the back). They will tell you how these trades are customarily approached in your region. You might ask the two painters which supplier they use to purchase drywall. Another option might be to ask your REI network in the area for their recommendations.

It is a lot easier to hire a bad contractor than it is to fire a bad contractor.  Stay diligent and plod through the back and forth communication frustrations.  The effort you make to figure this out for this project will add value to your future projects, as well.

Good luck!  Keep at it.

 This is a great post. Off subject for just a moment, How are you getting the @ with the names to be highlighted and clickable? I tried to do it a couple of posts ago, but it doesn't show up. 

I'm going to call a couple of paint companies to see what they would do in my area. Thanks for the advice. I'm not exactly sure how to find my REI Network in the area, but maybe a simple google search will do. You have a ton of great advice, I really appreciate it.

@Mike V.   - when it you want to bring the name up, hit the @ sign, and then start typing the name with no spaces (at least three letters).

Underneath your message bar, you should see some names pop up.  Select the right one, and it should auto-fill.

Not exactly tech-support advice, but it's what I do.  (:

@Brandon Krieg you the man. I feel like a professional REI already. hahahaha.