Has anyone else noticed?
Bruce WoodruffPro Member
Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votesHas anyone else noticed?
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Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
4moIt is definitely not just you, @Bruce Woodruff, and it is ruining the site. So many are asking for "help", or "how do you ___? with either nonsensical extremely broad subject, or they are ostensibly giving "pointers" and bullet lists of common reasons for "failure", yet clearly show no actual knowledge of the subject. And then there are those that ask broad questions with zero factual setup to give a useful answer. Or simply asking for someone to hand over ready to use documents and forms, having clearly not researched the subject at all. And what's up with all the bizarre names, and no names (placeholder placeholder is pure laziness) of course none have more than a dozen posts, no profile info. Except the dumbasses that make duplicate or triplicate posts to one subforum, or the same basic post to multiple subforums, often unrelated to subject.
For those that want to promote themselves or their great "deals", do so in the proper subforum, you lose ALL credibility and/or look desperate by trying to be sneaky with your "curious" questions. That also applies to certain posters that like to essentially summarize or just restate what other honest responses have been, trying to look very pro. But they often don't bother to actually read the OP and give at least partial response that has no bearing whatsoever. Laughable, and very annoying.
One clown had a "poor me" story, where they handed over funds and then were ghosted, yet a basic search turned up the names involved and numerous Red Flags. These keyboard kowboys act like they know how to use AI, but can't to the most basic research on any subject apparently.
I do blame some of this on some of those with seemingly actual experience that "confirm" how easy PM is, when in fact their experience has been pretty limited, or flat out lucky, trading low quality for fast bucks, taking short cuts, not following applicable laws or building codes. These types are either slumlords or their model is just putting lipstick on pigs. Much like a shady used car salesman.
I am getting sick of it, and have stopped making comments to nearly all. What makes it worse is the apparent lack of interest by site management. I have asked several questions in this subforum since my return a few months ago, and most went unanswered by staff (thanks JD). I don't need someone to hold my hand, by I do expect at least an acknowledgment when raising specific site issues. There is no FAQ, so the few real people that visit the site have no way to learn how best to utilize the site, nor do they have the first clue about any guidelines...it is just apparently a complete free for all!
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- Real Estate Agent · Kansas City · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes4mo
Agreed. Harder and harder to find genuine questions to answer. I get annoyed of these short, generic posts with a lame question at the end. I think they are trying to build their reputation but it's opposite.
- Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes4mo
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
It seems that there are a LOT more posts from people giving advice, kinda like short length Blogs........rather than people asking for help/advice like we used to see, or discussions between experienced folks on here.
And of course, most of these 'Blogposts' are quite obviously crafted by AI. Look, I have no problem with AI when used properly, but AI giving out Real Estate/Construction/Investor advice is just wrong. As has been said recently, this Forum offers invaluable advice from people who have actually 'been there - done that'. Or it used to I should say.
Maybe I'm wrong, iIs it just me?
No, you're not wrong. I've noticed that there aren't a lot of new faces, either.
Maybe everybody has gone to "lurker mode" but quite a few experienced people I have booked marked for following are no longer posting, as well. Not really sure why, might be they all got tired of answering the same type of question over and over or it may be that they are busier looking for deals. The market has changed, IMHO and it's harder to find clean deals that are priced right, that cash flow. (I don't think it's an interest rate problem, I think it's an inflated valuation one, income to purchasing ratio) I'm fine, but I've been through down markets before and that's where creative finance comes into play, but I'd say for sure, things are changing and becoming more quite.
- Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes4mo
It is definitely not just you, @Bruce Woodruff, and it is ruining the site. So many are asking for "help", or "how do you ___? with either nonsensical extremely broad subject, or they are ostensibly giving "pointers" and bullet lists of common reasons for "failure", yet clearly show no actual knowledge of the subject. And then there are those that ask broad questions with zero factual setup to give a useful answer. Or simply asking for someone to hand over ready to use documents and forms, having clearly not researched the subject at all. And what's up with all the bizarre names, and no names (placeholder placeholder is pure laziness) of course none have more than a dozen posts, no profile info. Except the dumbasses that make duplicate or triplicate posts to one subforum, or the same basic post to multiple subforums, often unrelated to subject.
For those that want to promote themselves or their great "deals", do so in the proper subforum, you lose ALL credibility and/or look desperate by trying to be sneaky with your "curious" questions. That also applies to certain posters that like to essentially summarize or just restate what other honest responses have been, trying to look very pro. But they often don't bother to actually read the OP and give at least partial response that has no bearing whatsoever. Laughable, and very annoying.
One clown had a "poor me" story, where they handed over funds and then were ghosted, yet a basic search turned up the names involved and numerous Red Flags. These keyboard kowboys act like they know how to use AI, but can't to the most basic research on any subject apparently.
I do blame some of this on some of those with seemingly actual experience that "confirm" how easy PM is, when in fact their experience has been pretty limited, or flat out lucky, trading low quality for fast bucks, taking short cuts, not following applicable laws or building codes. These types are either slumlords or their model is just putting lipstick on pigs. Much like a shady used car salesman.
I am getting sick of it, and have stopped making comments to nearly all. What makes it worse is the apparent lack of interest by site management. I have asked several questions in this subforum since my return a few months ago, and most went unanswered by staff (thanks JD). I don't need someone to hold my hand, by I do expect at least an acknowledgment when raising specific site issues. There is no FAQ, so the few real people that visit the site have no way to learn how best to utilize the site, nor do they have the first clue about any guidelines...it is just apparently a complete free for all!
- Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes4mo
Quote from @Richard F.:
It is definitely not just you, @Bruce Woodruff, and it is ruining the site. So many are asking for "help", or "how do you ___? with either nonsensical extremely broad subject, or they are ostensibly giving "pointers" and bullet lists of common reasons for "failure", yet clearly show no actual knowledge of the subject. And then there are those that ask broad questions with zero factual setup to give a useful answer. Or simply asking for someone to hand over ready to use documents and forms, having clearly not researched the subject at all. And what's up with all the bizarre names, and no names (placeholder placeholder is pure laziness) of course none have more than a dozen posts, no profile info. Except the dumbasses that make duplicate or triplicate posts to one subforum, or the same basic post to multiple subforums, often unrelated to subject.
For those that want to promote themselves or their great "deals", do so in the proper subforum, you lose ALL credibility and/or look desperate by trying to be sneaky with your "curious" questions. That also applies to certain posters that like to essentially summarize or just restate what other honest responses have been, trying to look very pro. But they often don't bother to actually read the OP and give at least partial response that has no bearing whatsoever. Laughable, and very annoying.
One clown had a "poor me" story, where they handed over funds and then were ghosted, yet a basic search turned up the names involved and numerous Red Flags. These keyboard kowboys act like they know how to use AI, but can't to the most basic research on any subject apparently.
I do blame some of this on some of those with seemingly actual experience that "confirm" how easy PM is, when in fact their experience has been pretty limited, or flat out lucky, trading low quality for fast bucks, taking short cuts, not following applicable laws or building codes. These types are either slumlords or their model is just putting lipstick on pigs. Much like a shady used car salesman.
I am getting sick of it, and have stopped making comments to nearly all. What makes it worse is the apparent lack of interest by site management. I have asked several questions in this subforum since my return a few months ago, and most went unanswered by staff (thanks JD). I don't need someone to hold my hand, by I do expect at least an acknowledgment when raising specific site issues. There is no FAQ, so the few real people that visit the site have no way to learn how best to utilize the site, nor do they have the first clue about any guidelines...it is just apparently a complete free for all!
I'm reminded of the time a company in Japan that teaches English, had their students join a forum, to post and learn better English. I can't remember if it was Bigger Pockets or not, but
the super mod eventually banned IP addresses from that school, so it cut down a lot. It just seems a lot of new 'investors" are trying AI like that see what results. Same kind of thing. I'm Not sure though.
- Rental Property Investor · San Francisco Bay Area · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes4mo
Quote from @Richard F.:
It is definitely not just you, @Bruce Woodruff, and it is ruining the site. So many are asking for "help", or "how do you ___? with either nonsensical extremely broad subject, or they are ostensibly giving "pointers" and bullet lists of common reasons for "failure", yet clearly show no actual knowledge of the subject. And then there are those that ask broad questions with zero factual setup to give a useful answer. Or simply asking for someone to hand over ready to use documents and forms, having clearly not researched the subject at all. And what's up with all the bizarre names, and no names (placeholder placeholder is pure laziness) of course none have more than a dozen posts, no profile info. Except the dumbasses that make duplicate or triplicate posts to one subforum, or the same basic post to multiple subforums, often unrelated to subject.
For those that want to promote themselves or their great "deals", do so in the proper subforum, you lose ALL credibility and/or look desperate by trying to be sneaky with your "curious" questions. That also applies to certain posters that like to essentially summarize or just restate what other honest responses have been, trying to look very pro. But they often don't bother to actually read the OP and give at least partial response that has no bearing whatsoever. Laughable, and very annoying.
One clown had a "poor me" story, where they handed over funds and then were ghosted, yet a basic search turned up the names involved and numerous Red Flags. These keyboard kowboys act like they know how to use AI, but can't to the most basic research on any subject apparently.
I do blame some of this on some of those with seemingly actual experience that "confirm" how easy PM is, when in fact their experience has been pretty limited, or flat out lucky, trading low quality for fast bucks, taking short cuts, not following applicable laws or building codes. These types are either slumlords or their model is just putting lipstick on pigs. Much like a shady used car salesman.
I am getting sick of it, and have stopped making comments to nearly all. What makes it worse is the apparent lack of interest by site management. I have asked several questions in this subforum since my return a few months ago, and most went unanswered by staff (thanks JD). I don't need someone to hold my hand, by I do expect at least an acknowledgment when raising specific site issues. There is no FAQ, so the few real people that visit the site have no way to learn how best to utilize the site, nor do they have the first clue about any guidelines...it is just apparently a complete free for all!
This is spot on! Interestingly people comment on these blog type posts (including myself) and the OP usually doesn't reply back to any of the commenters.
Now I need to find the bizarre names lol... I saw several "Placeholder Placeholder" people or bots make posts. Placeholder #1 seemed to have about 100 posts then Placeholder #2, #3, etc had much fewer, maybe 2 posts.
Some positive news: someone from the Bay Area DM'ed me a few weeks ago and we got on a call so there are some real people on BP :-)
- Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes4mo
Quote from @Richard F.:
It is definitely not just you, @Bruce Woodruff, and it is ruining the site. So many are asking for "help", or "how do you ___? with either nonsensical extremely broad subject, or they are ostensibly giving "pointers" and bullet lists of common reasons for "failure", yet clearly show no actual knowledge of the subject. And then there are those that ask broad questions with zero factual setup to give a useful answer. Or simply asking for someone to hand over ready to use documents and forms, having clearly not researched the subject at all. And what's up with all the bizarre names, and no names (placeholder placeholder is pure laziness) of course none have more than a dozen posts, no profile info. Except the dumbasses that make duplicate or triplicate posts to one subforum, or the same basic post to multiple subforums, often unrelated to subject.
For those that want to promote themselves or their great "deals", do so in the proper subforum, you lose ALL credibility and/or look desperate by trying to be sneaky with your "curious" questions. That also applies to certain posters that like to essentially summarize or just restate what other honest responses have been, trying to look very pro. But they often don't bother to actually read the OP and give at least partial response that has no bearing whatsoever. Laughable, and very annoying.
One clown had a "poor me" story, where they handed over funds and then were ghosted, yet a basic search turned up the names involved and numerous Red Flags. These keyboard kowboys act like they know how to use AI, but can't to the most basic research on any subject apparently.
I do blame some of this on some of those with seemingly actual experience that "confirm" how easy PM is, when in fact their experience has been pretty limited, or flat out lucky, trading low quality for fast bucks, taking short cuts, not following applicable laws or building codes. These types are either slumlords or their model is just putting lipstick on pigs. Much like a shady used car salesman.
I am getting sick of it, and have stopped making comments to nearly all. What makes it worse is the apparent lack of interest by site management. I have asked several questions in this subforum since my return a few months ago, and most went unanswered by staff (thanks JD). I don't need someone to hold my hand, by I do expect at least an acknowledgment when raising specific site issues. There is no FAQ, so the few real people that visit the site have no way to learn how best to utilize the site, nor do they have the first clue about any guidelines...it is just apparently a complete free for all!
Thanks. I've been on record as saying I hate the robots, although maybe I shouldn't be saying that since they'll probably come for me first 🤣
I have no idea what the answer is. The conversations have been happening behind the scenes but there's not been any real resolution other than what we've already been doing, which is lopping off obvious AI but the AI is getting so good it's getting hard to completely nail down what is AI. As @Marcus Auerbach said, AI is getting as good or better at answering questions and even putting together processes than humans.
All I can say is keep reporting what you see. We do get the reports and review.
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- Flipper/Rehabber · CA · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes4mo
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
It seems that there are a LOT more posts from people giving advice, kinda like short length Blogs........rather than people asking for help/advice like we used to see, or discussions between experienced folks on here.
And of course, most of these 'Blogposts' are quite obviously crafted by AI. Look, I have no problem with AI when used properly, but AI giving out Real Estate/Construction/Investor advice is just wrong. As has been said recently, this Forum offers invaluable advice from people who have actually 'been there - done that'. Or it used to I should say.
Maybe I'm wrong, iIs it just me?
Yup....but hey its still a fun way to burn a couple of minutes. Don't you dare leave lol
- 4moHenry ClarkPro MemberDeveloper · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
OP agree. But I like there have been no “Lost money in a Syndication” posts lately.
I miss the one heavy poster who would supply data a lot. Most of the time over my head, but I liked the different spin on RE.
It would be curious to know the traffic trends between this forum and the Podcasts. More people may have moved to the podcasts since you can work and listen.
- Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes4mo
My pet peeve is when someone asks a question. The question is then answered in first response or two. Then you have 10+ additional responses. Either “What so and and said.”, I agree with the previous answers..’ or the worst one. The 5 or 6 responses all saying exactly what the correct response already was, totally ignoring the answer was already given.
Either they can’t be bothered to read previous responses or they just want to get a post in showing how smart they are.
- Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes4mo
Yep, as soon as I see bullet points it's a dead giveaway. AI alert!
- Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes4mo
It's because people are using AI to generate content and posting it into forums versus using blogs.
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Quote from @Chris Seveney:
It's because people are using AI to generate content and posting it into forums versus using blogs.
What do you think is the motive? Are they just lazy? Or do they want to up their post count more easily? Or do they just have big egos? Can they not write intelligently on their own?
- Flipper/Rehabber · CA · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes4moI think some motives are of course connections for sales, probably some scams, some want help (subjective term. Some are "founders" that are collecting data for AI models. Remember all data can be monitized. Some are just having fun with AI.
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
It's because people are using AI to generate content and posting it into forums versus using blogs.
What do you think is the motive? Are they just lazy? Or do they want to up their post count more easily? Or do they just have big egos? Can they not write intelligently on their own?
I dont think their lazy in their own eyes.
Ego is certainly apart of it, but look at how many big egos are here anyway. Kinda goes with the territory.
They can probably write better than me, lol but the 1 thing that separates us from AI is our falability, AI will eventually replicate that too. It is machine learning afterall.
The big deal here is tokens, 1 token equals apprx 3/4 of a word/character etc. Tokens are sold for large language models. Im no expert on this stuff but its all around me, and there's big bucks in it.
This tech revolution will be much different than old ones like hardware & software - Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes4moWhat the heck is a token?
Quote from @Alan F.:
I think some motives are of course connections for sales, probably some scams, some want help (subjective term. Some are "founders" that are collecting data for AI models. Remember all data can be monitized. Some are just having fun with AI.Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
It's because people are using AI to generate content and posting it into forums versus using blogs.
What do you think is the motive? Are they just lazy? Or do they want to up their post count more easily? Or do they just have big egos? Can they not write intelligently on their own?
I dont think their lazy in their own eyes.
Ego is certainly apart of it, but look at how many big egos are here anyway. Kinda goes with the territory.
They can probably write better than me, lol but the 1 thing that separates us from AI is our falability, AI will eventually replicate that too. It is machine learning afterall.
The big deal here is tokens, 1 token equals apprx 3/4 of a word/character etc. Tokens are sold for large language models. Im no expert on this stuff but its all around me, and there's big bucks in it.
This tech revolution will be much different than old ones like hardware & software - Flipper/Rehabber · CA · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes4mo
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
What the heck is a token?Quote from @Alan F.:
I think some motives are of course connections for sales, probably some scams, some want help (subjective term. Some are "founders" that are collecting data for AI models. Remember all data can be monitized. Some are just having fun with AI.Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
It's because people are using AI to generate content and posting it into forums versus using blogs.
What do you think is the motive? Are they just lazy? Or do they want to up their post count more easily? Or do they just have big egos? Can they not write intelligently on their own?
I dont think their lazy in their own eyes.
Ego is certainly apart of it, but look at how many big egos are here anyway. Kinda goes with the territory.
They can probably write better than me, lol but the 1 thing that separates us from AI is our falability, AI will eventually replicate that too. It is machine learning afterall.
The big deal here is tokens, 1 token equals apprx 3/4 of a word/character etc. Tokens are sold for large language models. Im no expert on this stuff but its all around me, and there's big bucks in it.
This tech revolution will be much different than old ones like hardware & software - Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes4mo
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
It's because people are using AI to generate content and posting it into forums versus using blogs.
What do you think is the motive? Are they just lazy? Or do they want to up their post count more easily? Or do they just have big egos? Can they not write intelligently on their own?
my guess is attempting to build brand reputation, but let me tell you from someone who has been around the block (preaching to the choir as you have as well), 99% have a specific product to sell so they will be active for a very brief moment then disappear when they realize that its not a quick thing (building a reputation). We see it all the time from the subto guru having students posting how awesome they are because of a new training or some syndicator talking economy to say how now is a great time to buy X and owe buy the way, I am raising $10M for X....
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- Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes4mo
The questions are missing, also the audience. Why would you ask on BP when you can get a better answer in 2 seconds from AI.
- Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes4mo"Why would you ask on BP when you can get a better answer in 2 seconds from AI."
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
The questions are missing, also the audience. Why would you ask on BP when you can get a better answer in 2 seconds from AI.
I know you know this....but because a real person with real knowledge (like you or me :-) will give a much better and more well-rounded answer based on real-world experience, not an artificial compilation of data by a computer. - Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes4mo
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
"Why would you ask on BP when you can get a better answer in 2 seconds from AI."Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
The questions are missing, also the audience. Why would you ask on BP when you can get a better answer in 2 seconds from AI.
I know you know this....but because a real person with real knowledge (like you or me :-) will give a much better and more well-rounded answer based on real-world experience, not an artificial compilation of data by a computer.Maybe a year ago that was still the case. But AI has surpassed the capability of humans in many ways. Especially when it comes to questions and answers.
We have been testing our an AI legal advisor on landlord-tenant law. By we I mean the RPA (Rental Property Association of Wisconsin, a non profit).
We developed it with Claude and it built it's own interface. It will answer strictly based on the letter of the law, super easy to just provide the pdf of Wisconsin Chapter 704 and ATCP 134, plus some case law. We have been testing it for weeks with out attorneys (they specialize in landlord law) and have not found a single flaw.
You can ask absolutely dump and incomplete questions, like: "tenant paid half rent - what should I do" and it will ask you the necessary questions to have a full understanding of the relevant factors before giving you a concise answer.
Not that we would do that, but it would take 5 minutes to train it on everything that has ever been written on the BP forums and I would probably ask it to first develop a way to qualify the content of posters and assign them a credibility score before using their responses.
I encourage everyone to spend some time learning AI. Otherwise you will be the person looking up phone numbers on the yellow pages and find out that your book is 5 years old and they don't print them anymore..
I'll give you an example.
Gemini is really good with video. You are a contractor.
Take a short video of a bathroom, go over every detail, take closeups of floor, baseboard etc so Gemini can "see" the condition and then ask it to write a SoW for you, provide some basics about your labor rate, overhead, profit expectation and produce a quote an estimate.
And you don't have to do this every time. You teach it your business basics once (labor rate, overhead cost,..) and then it will do it every time. You can even tell it to sharpen the pencil for this one or pad a little extra.
Let me create an example. I just bough a downtown condo for the weekends, still in the process of moving in. I provided Gemini this picture.
Base on that 1 photo and a short 1 line prompt Gemini responded with this:Got it. You’re dealing with a **Sanus SLF428** full-motion mount going into a high-rise setup. Since you're likely hitting **25-gauge (or thinner) steel studs**, standard lag bolts are out—they’ll just strip the flange.
### 1. Layout & Prep *
**Locate the Furring/Studs:** Use a rare-earth magnet to find the screw heads; electronic finders can be wonky with metal. Mark centers. *
**Check the Reveal:** Use a laser level to shoot your horizontal line for the wall plate. *
**Drill Pilot:** Use a titanium bit. If you feel the bit "pop" through immediately, you're on thin-gauge.
### 2. The Anchor Spec>
**Warning:** Do not use the lag bolts included in the Sanus box.> *
**The Hardware:** Use **1/4-20 Snaptoggle (Toggle Bolt)** heavy-duty anchors. * **Hole Saw:** Drill your **1/2" holes** through the center of the metal stud. * **Set the Channel:
** Insert the metal channel, pull the straps tight, and zip the plastic collar flush to the drywall. Snap the straps.### 3. Hanging the Plate *
**Bolt Up:** Use **1/4-20 x 2-1/2" Grade 5 machine screws** (with washers) to secure the wall plate to the Snaptoggles. *
**Torque:** Drive them home until snug, but don’t over-torque and deform the metal stud flange.
### 4. Hardware & Dressing *
**Brackets:** Attach the vertical rails to the VESA patterns on the back of the panel. Use the shortest screws possible to avoid bottoming out in the chassis. *
**The Hang:** Set the TV onto the wall plate. Lock the safety bolts or tabs. *
**Cable Management:** Since you're in a condo, you likely have a fire-rated assembly. If you’re running LV (Low Voltage) through the wall, ensure you’re using **CL2/CL3 rated cables** and a proper brush plate or recessed media box.### 5. Final Adjustments *
**Leveling:** Most Sanus mounts have post-install leveling screws at the top of the bracket. Dial it in. *
**Tension:** Adjust the tilt and arm tension so the client can pull it out without feeling like they’re ripping the wall down.
Any specific concerns about the wall depth or fire-blocking in that unit?
--------------------------Good thing I already bought toggle bolts ;-)
It actually took longer to copy and paste it to BP than it did take me to take that photo, prompt Gemini and get a response.
- Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes4mo
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
"Why would you ask on BP when you can get a better answer in 2 seconds from AI."Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
The questions are missing, also the audience. Why would you ask on BP when you can get a better answer in 2 seconds from AI.
I know you know this....but because a real person with real knowledge (like you or me :-) will give a much better and more well-rounded answer based on real-world experience, not an artificial compilation of data by a computer.Maybe a year ago that was still the case. But AI has surpassed the capability of humans in many ways. Especially when it comes to questions and answers.
We have been testing our an AI legal advisor on landlord-tenant law. By we I mean the RPA (Rental Property Association of Wisconsin, a non profit).
We developed it with Claude and it built it's own interface. It will answer strictly based on the letter of the law, super easy to just provide the pdf of Wisconsin Chapter 704 and ATCP 134, plus some case law. We have been testing it for weeks with out attorneys (they specialize in landlord law) and have not found a single flaw.
You can ask absolutely dump and incomplete questions, like: "tenant paid half rent - what should I do" and it will ask you the necessary questions to have a full understanding of the relevant factors before giving you a concise answer.
Not that we would do that, but it would take 5 minutes to train it on everything that has ever been written on the BP forums and I would probably ask it to first develop a way to qualify the content of posters and assign them a credibility score before using their responses.
I encourage everyone to spend some time learning AI. Otherwise you will be the person looking up phone numbers on the yellow pages and find out that your book is 5 years old and they don't print them anymore..
I'll give you an example.
Gemini is really good with video. You are a contractor.
Take a short video of a bathroom, go over every detail, take closeups of floor, baseboard etc so Gemini can "see" the condition and then ask it to write a SoW for you, provide some basics about your labor rate, overhead, profit expectation and produce a quote an estimate.
And you don't have to do this every time. You teach it your business basics once (labor rate, overhead cost,..) and then it will do it every time. You can even tell it to sharpen the pencil for this one or pad a little extra.
Let me create an example. I just bough a downtown condo for the weekends, still in the process of moving in. I provided Gemini this picture.
Base on that 1 photo and a short 1 line prompt Gemini responded with this:Got it. You’re dealing with a **Sanus SLF428** full-motion mount going into a high-rise setup. Since you're likely hitting **25-gauge (or thinner) steel studs**, standard lag bolts are out—they’ll just strip the flange.
### 1. Layout & Prep *
**Locate the Furring/Studs:** Use a rare-earth magnet to find the screw heads; electronic finders can be wonky with metal. Mark centers. *
**Check the Reveal:** Use a laser level to shoot your horizontal line for the wall plate. *
**Drill Pilot:** Use a titanium bit. If you feel the bit "pop" through immediately, you're on thin-gauge.
### 2. The Anchor Spec>
**Warning:** Do not use the lag bolts included in the Sanus box.> *
**The Hardware:** Use **1/4-20 Snaptoggle (Toggle Bolt)** heavy-duty anchors. * **Hole Saw:** Drill your **1/2" holes** through the center of the metal stud. * **Set the Channel:
** Insert the metal channel, pull the straps tight, and zip the plastic collar flush to the drywall. Snap the straps.### 3. Hanging the Plate *
**Bolt Up:** Use **1/4-20 x 2-1/2" Grade 5 machine screws** (with washers) to secure the wall plate to the Snaptoggles. *
**Torque:** Drive them home until snug, but don’t over-torque and deform the metal stud flange.
### 4. Hardware & Dressing *
**Brackets:** Attach the vertical rails to the VESA patterns on the back of the panel. Use the shortest screws possible to avoid bottoming out in the chassis. *
**The Hang:** Set the TV onto the wall plate. Lock the safety bolts or tabs. *
**Cable Management:** Since you're in a condo, you likely have a fire-rated assembly. If you’re running LV (Low Voltage) through the wall, ensure you’re using **CL2/CL3 rated cables** and a proper brush plate or recessed media box.### 5. Final Adjustments *
**Leveling:** Most Sanus mounts have post-install leveling screws at the top of the bracket. Dial it in. *
**Tension:** Adjust the tilt and arm tension so the client can pull it out without feeling like they’re ripping the wall down.
Any specific concerns about the wall depth or fire-blocking in that unit?
--------------------------Good thing I already bought toggle bolts ;-)
It actually took longer to copy and paste it to BP than it did take me to take that photo, prompt Gemini and get a response.
Yeah, cool stuff indeed. I recently used Ai to develop a proposal for a bath remodel. Pretty quick and thorough, but needs fine-tuning to fit my needs specifically.
- Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes4mo
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
"Why would you ask on BP when you can get a better answer in 2 seconds from AI."Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
The questions are missing, also the audience. Why would you ask on BP when you can get a better answer in 2 seconds from AI.
I know you know this....but because a real person with real knowledge (like you or me :-) will give a much better and more well-rounded answer based on real-world experience, not an artificial compilation of data by a computer.Maybe a year ago that was still the case. But AI has surpassed the capability of humans in many ways. Especially when it comes to questions and answers.
We have been testing our an AI legal advisor on landlord-tenant law. By we I mean the RPA (Rental Property Association of Wisconsin, a non profit).
We developed it with Claude and it built it's own interface. It will answer strictly based on the letter of the law, super easy to just provide the pdf of Wisconsin Chapter 704 and ATCP 134, plus some case law. We have been testing it for weeks with out attorneys (they specialize in landlord law) and have not found a single flaw.
You can ask absolutely dump and incomplete questions, like: "tenant paid half rent - what should I do" and it will ask you the necessary questions to have a full understanding of the relevant factors before giving you a concise answer.
Not that we would do that, but it would take 5 minutes to train it on everything that has ever been written on the BP forums and I would probably ask it to first develop a way to qualify the content of posters and assign them a credibility score before using their responses.
I encourage everyone to spend some time learning AI. Otherwise you will be the person looking up phone numbers on the yellow pages and find out that your book is 5 years old and they don't print them anymore..
I'll give you an example.
Gemini is really good with video. You are a contractor.
Take a short video of a bathroom, go over every detail, take closeups of floor, baseboard etc so Gemini can "see" the condition and then ask it to write a SoW for you, provide some basics about your labor rate, overhead, profit expectation and produce a quote an estimate.
And you don't have to do this every time. You teach it your business basics once (labor rate, overhead cost,..) and then it will do it every time. You can even tell it to sharpen the pencil for this one or pad a little extra.
Let me create an example. I just bough a downtown condo for the weekends, still in the process of moving in. I provided Gemini this picture.
Base on that 1 photo and a short 1 line prompt Gemini responded with this:Got it. You’re dealing with a **Sanus SLF428** full-motion mount going into a high-rise setup. Since you're likely hitting **25-gauge (or thinner) steel studs**, standard lag bolts are out—they’ll just strip the flange.
### 1. Layout & Prep *
**Locate the Furring/Studs:** Use a rare-earth magnet to find the screw heads; electronic finders can be wonky with metal. Mark centers. *
**Check the Reveal:** Use a laser level to shoot your horizontal line for the wall plate. *
**Drill Pilot:** Use a titanium bit. If you feel the bit "pop" through immediately, you're on thin-gauge.
### 2. The Anchor Spec>
**Warning:** Do not use the lag bolts included in the Sanus box.> *
**The Hardware:** Use **1/4-20 Snaptoggle (Toggle Bolt)** heavy-duty anchors. * **Hole Saw:** Drill your **1/2" holes** through the center of the metal stud. * **Set the Channel:
** Insert the metal channel, pull the straps tight, and zip the plastic collar flush to the drywall. Snap the straps.### 3. Hanging the Plate *
**Bolt Up:** Use **1/4-20 x 2-1/2" Grade 5 machine screws** (with washers) to secure the wall plate to the Snaptoggles. *
**Torque:** Drive them home until snug, but don’t over-torque and deform the metal stud flange.
### 4. Hardware & Dressing *
**Brackets:** Attach the vertical rails to the VESA patterns on the back of the panel. Use the shortest screws possible to avoid bottoming out in the chassis. *
**The Hang:** Set the TV onto the wall plate. Lock the safety bolts or tabs. *
**Cable Management:** Since you're in a condo, you likely have a fire-rated assembly. If you’re running LV (Low Voltage) through the wall, ensure you’re using **CL2/CL3 rated cables** and a proper brush plate or recessed media box.### 5. Final Adjustments *
**Leveling:** Most Sanus mounts have post-install leveling screws at the top of the bracket. Dial it in. *
**Tension:** Adjust the tilt and arm tension so the client can pull it out without feeling like they’re ripping the wall down.
Any specific concerns about the wall depth or fire-blocking in that unit?
--------------------------Good thing I already bought toggle bolts ;-)
It actually took longer to copy and paste it to BP than it did take me to take that photo, prompt Gemini and get a response.
Well, THAT is not what we are seeing on BP! So here is the question I asked (and did not get an answer for) another seasoned poster that generated a truly great AI post:
How much are you spending on AI to achieve that level? Are you using only free versions? $20-$30 per month models? Or are you at an Enterprise level? What is your average input/output token usage? Which model do you find best suited for RE related usage?
I have been quite satisfied with more frequent use of grok for mostly general research, and certainly learn more on a topic very quickly, and, easily verifiable. But, I also use up my "free" allotment pretty quickly, or must "try later" due to heavy usage. Honestly, the first paid levels do not look like they offer too much additional. - Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes4mo
Quote from @Richard F.:
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
"Why would you ask on BP when you can get a better answer in 2 seconds from AI."Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
The questions are missing, also the audience. Why would you ask on BP when you can get a better answer in 2 seconds from AI.
I know you know this....but because a real person with real knowledge (like you or me :-) will give a much better and more well-rounded answer based on real-world experience, not an artificial compilation of data by a computer.Maybe a year ago that was still the case. But AI has surpassed the capability of humans in many ways. Especially when it comes to questions and answers.
We have been testing our an AI legal advisor on landlord-tenant law. By we I mean the RPA (Rental Property Association of Wisconsin, a non profit).
We developed it with Claude and it built it's own interface. It will answer strictly based on the letter of the law, super easy to just provide the pdf of Wisconsin Chapter 704 and ATCP 134, plus some case law. We have been testing it for weeks with out attorneys (they specialize in landlord law) and have not found a single flaw.
You can ask absolutely dump and incomplete questions, like: "tenant paid half rent - what should I do" and it will ask you the necessary questions to have a full understanding of the relevant factors before giving you a concise answer.
Not that we would do that, but it would take 5 minutes to train it on everything that has ever been written on the BP forums and I would probably ask it to first develop a way to qualify the content of posters and assign them a credibility score before using their responses.
I encourage everyone to spend some time learning AI. Otherwise you will be the person looking up phone numbers on the yellow pages and find out that your book is 5 years old and they don't print them anymore..
I'll give you an example.
Gemini is really good with video. You are a contractor.
Take a short video of a bathroom, go over every detail, take closeups of floor, baseboard etc so Gemini can "see" the condition and then ask it to write a SoW for you, provide some basics about your labor rate, overhead, profit expectation and produce a quote an estimate.
And you don't have to do this every time. You teach it your business basics once (labor rate, overhead cost,..) and then it will do it every time. You can even tell it to sharpen the pencil for this one or pad a little extra.
Let me create an example. I just bough a downtown condo for the weekends, still in the process of moving in. I provided Gemini this picture.
Base on that 1 photo and a short 1 line prompt Gemini responded with this:Got it. You’re dealing with a **Sanus SLF428** full-motion mount going into a high-rise setup. Since you're likely hitting **25-gauge (or thinner) steel studs**, standard lag bolts are out—they’ll just strip the flange.
### 1. Layout & Prep *
**Locate the Furring/Studs:** Use a rare-earth magnet to find the screw heads; electronic finders can be wonky with metal. Mark centers. *
**Check the Reveal:** Use a laser level to shoot your horizontal line for the wall plate. *
**Drill Pilot:** Use a titanium bit. If you feel the bit "pop" through immediately, you're on thin-gauge.
### 2. The Anchor Spec>
**Warning:** Do not use the lag bolts included in the Sanus box.> *
**The Hardware:** Use **1/4-20 Snaptoggle (Toggle Bolt)** heavy-duty anchors. * **Hole Saw:** Drill your **1/2" holes** through the center of the metal stud. * **Set the Channel:
** Insert the metal channel, pull the straps tight, and zip the plastic collar flush to the drywall. Snap the straps.### 3. Hanging the Plate *
**Bolt Up:** Use **1/4-20 x 2-1/2" Grade 5 machine screws** (with washers) to secure the wall plate to the Snaptoggles. *
**Torque:** Drive them home until snug, but don’t over-torque and deform the metal stud flange.
### 4. Hardware & Dressing *
**Brackets:** Attach the vertical rails to the VESA patterns on the back of the panel. Use the shortest screws possible to avoid bottoming out in the chassis. *
**The Hang:** Set the TV onto the wall plate. Lock the safety bolts or tabs. *
**Cable Management:** Since you're in a condo, you likely have a fire-rated assembly. If you’re running LV (Low Voltage) through the wall, ensure you’re using **CL2/CL3 rated cables** and a proper brush plate or recessed media box.### 5. Final Adjustments *
**Leveling:** Most Sanus mounts have post-install leveling screws at the top of the bracket. Dial it in. *
**Tension:** Adjust the tilt and arm tension so the client can pull it out without feeling like they’re ripping the wall down.
Any specific concerns about the wall depth or fire-blocking in that unit?
--------------------------Good thing I already bought toggle bolts ;-)
It actually took longer to copy and paste it to BP than it did take me to take that photo, prompt Gemini and get a response.
Well, THAT is not what we are seeing on BP! So here is the question I asked (and did not get an answer for) another seasoned poster that generated a truly great AI post:
How much are you spending on AI to achieve that level? Are you using only free versions? $20-$30 per month models? Or are you at an Enterprise level? What is your average input/output token usage? Which model do you find best suited for RE related usage?
I have been quite satisfied with more frequent use of grok for mostly general research, and certainly learn more on a topic very quickly, and, easily verifiable. But, I also use up my "free" allotment pretty quickly, or must "try later" due to heavy usage. Honestly, the first paid levels do not look like they offer too much additional.I started last year with the $20 version of ChatGPT, then started using Gemini in addition, because it has been trained on YouTube and is much better with visual information and with videos. See TV mount example above. ChatGPT prefers text. And this year I switched over to Claude ($20) and especially Claude CoWork.
"Real Estate" is not really an application that lets you pick an AI. It's more specifically about the task.
- Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes4mo
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
Quote from @Richard F.:
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
"Why would you ask on BP when you can get a better answer in 2 seconds from AI."Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
The questions are missing, also the audience. Why would you ask on BP when you can get a better answer in 2 seconds from AI.
I know you know this....but because a real person with real knowledge (like you or me :-) will give a much better and more well-rounded answer based on real-world experience, not an artificial compilation of data by a computer.Maybe a year ago that was still the case. But AI has surpassed the capability of humans in many ways. Especially when it comes to questions and answers.
We have been testing our an AI legal advisor on landlord-tenant law. By we I mean the RPA (Rental Property Association of Wisconsin, a non profit).
We developed it with Claude and it built it's own interface. It will answer strictly based on the letter of the law, super easy to just provide the pdf of Wisconsin Chapter 704 and ATCP 134, plus some case law. We have been testing it for weeks with out attorneys (they specialize in landlord law) and have not found a single flaw.
You can ask absolutely dump and incomplete questions, like: "tenant paid half rent - what should I do" and it will ask you the necessary questions to have a full understanding of the relevant factors before giving you a concise answer.
Not that we would do that, but it would take 5 minutes to train it on everything that has ever been written on the BP forums and I would probably ask it to first develop a way to qualify the content of posters and assign them a credibility score before using their responses.
I encourage everyone to spend some time learning AI. Otherwise you will be the person looking up phone numbers on the yellow pages and find out that your book is 5 years old and they don't print them anymore..
I'll give you an example.
Gemini is really good with video. You are a contractor.
Take a short video of a bathroom, go over every detail, take closeups of floor, baseboard etc so Gemini can "see" the condition and then ask it to write a SoW for you, provide some basics about your labor rate, overhead, profit expectation and produce a quote an estimate.
And you don't have to do this every time. You teach it your business basics once (labor rate, overhead cost,..) and then it will do it every time. You can even tell it to sharpen the pencil for this one or pad a little extra.
Let me create an example. I just bough a downtown condo for the weekends, still in the process of moving in. I provided Gemini this picture.
Base on that 1 photo and a short 1 line prompt Gemini responded with this:Got it. You’re dealing with a **Sanus SLF428** full-motion mount going into a high-rise setup. Since you're likely hitting **25-gauge (or thinner) steel studs**, standard lag bolts are out—they’ll just strip the flange.
### 1. Layout & Prep *
**Locate the Furring/Studs:** Use a rare-earth magnet to find the screw heads; electronic finders can be wonky with metal. Mark centers. *
**Check the Reveal:** Use a laser level to shoot your horizontal line for the wall plate. *
**Drill Pilot:** Use a titanium bit. If you feel the bit "pop" through immediately, you're on thin-gauge.
### 2. The Anchor Spec>
**Warning:** Do not use the lag bolts included in the Sanus box.> *
**The Hardware:** Use **1/4-20 Snaptoggle (Toggle Bolt)** heavy-duty anchors. * **Hole Saw:** Drill your **1/2" holes** through the center of the metal stud. * **Set the Channel:
** Insert the metal channel, pull the straps tight, and zip the plastic collar flush to the drywall. Snap the straps.### 3. Hanging the Plate *
**Bolt Up:** Use **1/4-20 x 2-1/2" Grade 5 machine screws** (with washers) to secure the wall plate to the Snaptoggles. *
**Torque:** Drive them home until snug, but don’t over-torque and deform the metal stud flange.
### 4. Hardware & Dressing *
**Brackets:** Attach the vertical rails to the VESA patterns on the back of the panel. Use the shortest screws possible to avoid bottoming out in the chassis. *
**The Hang:** Set the TV onto the wall plate. Lock the safety bolts or tabs. *
**Cable Management:** Since you're in a condo, you likely have a fire-rated assembly. If you’re running LV (Low Voltage) through the wall, ensure you’re using **CL2/CL3 rated cables** and a proper brush plate or recessed media box.### 5. Final Adjustments *
**Leveling:** Most Sanus mounts have post-install leveling screws at the top of the bracket. Dial it in. *
**Tension:** Adjust the tilt and arm tension so the client can pull it out without feeling like they’re ripping the wall down.
Any specific concerns about the wall depth or fire-blocking in that unit?
--------------------------Good thing I already bought toggle bolts ;-)
It actually took longer to copy and paste it to BP than it did take me to take that photo, prompt Gemini and get a response.
Well, THAT is not what we are seeing on BP! So here is the question I asked (and did not get an answer for) another seasoned poster that generated a truly great AI post:
How much are you spending on AI to achieve that level? Are you using only free versions? $20-$30 per month models? Or are you at an Enterprise level? What is your average input/output token usage? Which model do you find best suited for RE related usage?
I have been quite satisfied with more frequent use of grok for mostly general research, and certainly learn more on a topic very quickly, and, easily verifiable. But, I also use up my "free" allotment pretty quickly, or must "try later" due to heavy usage. Honestly, the first paid levels do not look like they offer too much additional.I started last year with the $20 version of ChatGPT, then started using Gemini in addition, because it has been trained on YouTube and is much better with visual information and with videos. See TV mount example above. ChatGPT prefers text. And this year I switched over to Claude ($20) and especially Claude CoWork.
"Real Estate" is not really an application that lets you pick an AI. It's more specifically about the task.
Great info! I appreciate it. I have actually avoided using Gemini, not a fan of google, but it is good to know it's source. I have not seen Claude GoWork, although I have been using Claude sporadically, I'll need to look at that. Thanks again! - Rental Property Investor · San Francisco Bay Area · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes4mo
Quote from @Richard F.:
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
Quote from @Richard F.:
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
"Why would you ask on BP when you can get a better answer in 2 seconds from AI."Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
The questions are missing, also the audience. Why would you ask on BP when you can get a better answer in 2 seconds from AI.
I know you know this....but because a real person with real knowledge (like you or me :-) will give a much better and more well-rounded answer based on real-world experience, not an artificial compilation of data by a computer.Maybe a year ago that was still the case. But AI has surpassed the capability of humans in many ways. Especially when it comes to questions and answers.
We have been testing our an AI legal advisor on landlord-tenant law. By we I mean the RPA (Rental Property Association of Wisconsin, a non profit).
We developed it with Claude and it built it's own interface. It will answer strictly based on the letter of the law, super easy to just provide the pdf of Wisconsin Chapter 704 and ATCP 134, plus some case law. We have been testing it for weeks with out attorneys (they specialize in landlord law) and have not found a single flaw.
You can ask absolutely dump and incomplete questions, like: "tenant paid half rent - what should I do" and it will ask you the necessary questions to have a full understanding of the relevant factors before giving you a concise answer.
Not that we would do that, but it would take 5 minutes to train it on everything that has ever been written on the BP forums and I would probably ask it to first develop a way to qualify the content of posters and assign them a credibility score before using their responses.
I encourage everyone to spend some time learning AI. Otherwise you will be the person looking up phone numbers on the yellow pages and find out that your book is 5 years old and they don't print them anymore..
I'll give you an example.
Gemini is really good with video. You are a contractor.
Take a short video of a bathroom, go over every detail, take closeups of floor, baseboard etc so Gemini can "see" the condition and then ask it to write a SoW for you, provide some basics about your labor rate, overhead, profit expectation and produce a quote an estimate.
And you don't have to do this every time. You teach it your business basics once (labor rate, overhead cost,..) and then it will do it every time. You can even tell it to sharpen the pencil for this one or pad a little extra.
Let me create an example. I just bough a downtown condo for the weekends, still in the process of moving in. I provided Gemini this picture.
Base on that 1 photo and a short 1 line prompt Gemini responded with this:Got it. You’re dealing with a **Sanus SLF428** full-motion mount going into a high-rise setup. Since you're likely hitting **25-gauge (or thinner) steel studs**, standard lag bolts are out—they’ll just strip the flange.
### 1. Layout & Prep *
**Locate the Furring/Studs:** Use a rare-earth magnet to find the screw heads; electronic finders can be wonky with metal. Mark centers. *
**Check the Reveal:** Use a laser level to shoot your horizontal line for the wall plate. *
**Drill Pilot:** Use a titanium bit. If you feel the bit "pop" through immediately, you're on thin-gauge.
### 2. The Anchor Spec>
**Warning:** Do not use the lag bolts included in the Sanus box.> *
**The Hardware:** Use **1/4-20 Snaptoggle (Toggle Bolt)** heavy-duty anchors. * **Hole Saw:** Drill your **1/2" holes** through the center of the metal stud. * **Set the Channel:
** Insert the metal channel, pull the straps tight, and zip the plastic collar flush to the drywall. Snap the straps.### 3. Hanging the Plate *
**Bolt Up:** Use **1/4-20 x 2-1/2" Grade 5 machine screws** (with washers) to secure the wall plate to the Snaptoggles. *
**Torque:** Drive them home until snug, but don’t over-torque and deform the metal stud flange.
### 4. Hardware & Dressing *
**Brackets:** Attach the vertical rails to the VESA patterns on the back of the panel. Use the shortest screws possible to avoid bottoming out in the chassis. *
**The Hang:** Set the TV onto the wall plate. Lock the safety bolts or tabs. *
**Cable Management:** Since you're in a condo, you likely have a fire-rated assembly. If you’re running LV (Low Voltage) through the wall, ensure you’re using **CL2/CL3 rated cables** and a proper brush plate or recessed media box.### 5. Final Adjustments *
**Leveling:** Most Sanus mounts have post-install leveling screws at the top of the bracket. Dial it in. *
**Tension:** Adjust the tilt and arm tension so the client can pull it out without feeling like they’re ripping the wall down.
Any specific concerns about the wall depth or fire-blocking in that unit?
--------------------------Good thing I already bought toggle bolts ;-)
It actually took longer to copy and paste it to BP than it did take me to take that photo, prompt Gemini and get a response.
Well, THAT is not what we are seeing on BP! So here is the question I asked (and did not get an answer for) another seasoned poster that generated a truly great AI post:
How much are you spending on AI to achieve that level? Are you using only free versions? $20-$30 per month models? Or are you at an Enterprise level? What is your average input/output token usage? Which model do you find best suited for RE related usage?
I have been quite satisfied with more frequent use of grok for mostly general research, and certainly learn more on a topic very quickly, and, easily verifiable. But, I also use up my "free" allotment pretty quickly, or must "try later" due to heavy usage. Honestly, the first paid levels do not look like they offer too much additional.I started last year with the $20 version of ChatGPT, then started using Gemini in addition, because it has been trained on YouTube and is much better with visual information and with videos. See TV mount example above. ChatGPT prefers text. And this year I switched over to Claude ($20) and especially Claude CoWork.
"Real Estate" is not really an application that lets you pick an AI. It's more specifically about the task.
Great info! I appreciate it. I have actually avoided using Gemini, not a fan of google, but it is good to know it's source. I have not seen Claude GoWork, although I have been using Claude sporadically, I'll need to look at that. Thanks again!I haven't used AI (intentionally, that is) but it was put on my work laptop. I type my own notes at work meetings and if I go to a real estate conference. I still go to the library and check out paper books.
I'm not a fan of AI largely because of the environmental impacts of water use and increased electricity. I know it's here to stay since I live in the land of tech and AI. AI companies have enabled San Francisco to make a comeback (return to office, higher rents, multiple offers on homes) after all the people who left during COVID for the suburbs and out of state. I'm fighting it every step of the way lol
- Investor · Fort Washington, MD · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes4mo
Place just isn't what it used to be. I don't even recommend to newbies anymore. Nearly all AI or posts that don't seem to be legitimate in any way. Also, for me, there were several inappropriate sentiments spewed openly that were never checked. It's a damn shame because this was such a powerhouse for learning. I enjoyed learning early on, then passing on my experience to others. It's nothing left here for me.
- Rental Property Investor · Burlington County, NJ · Member since 2019 · 540 posts · 771 votes4mo
Quote from @Mark Cruse:
Place just isn't what it used to be. I don't even recommend to newbies anymore. Nearly all AI or posts that don't seem to be legitimate in any way. Also, for me, there were several inappropriate sentiments spewed openly that were never checked. It's a damn shame because this was such a powerhouse for learning. I enjoyed learning early on, then passing on my experience to others. It's nothing left here for me.
I agree, Mark. Weaker contributions and moderators who leave offensive commenters and long-winded say-nothingers unchecked discourage intelligent dialogue. I occasionally visit the site in search of something valuable and rarely find it. It's a shame.
- Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes4mo
Quote from @Ron Brady:
Quote from @Mark Cruse:
Place just isn't what it used to be. I don't even recommend to newbies anymore. Nearly all AI or posts that don't seem to be legitimate in any way. Also, for me, there were several inappropriate sentiments spewed openly that were never checked. It's a damn shame because this was such a powerhouse for learning. I enjoyed learning early on, then passing on my experience to others. It's nothing left here for me.
I agree, Mark. Weaker contributions and moderators who leave offensive commenters and long-winded say-nothingers unchecked discourage intelligent dialogue. I occasionally visit the site in search of something valuable and rarely find it. It's a shame.
I wondered where you were, Ron.....we used to have some good, intelligent conversations. And all without AI..... :-)
- Rental Property Investor · Member since 2018 · 826 posts · 809 votes4mo
I’m sure we’ll be glad when everyone stops complaining about the AI posts as well.
Agreed that we lost good content when we lost Carlos. I was happy to see Mr NET CAPS go too, but perhaps he’s better than AI posts.
The forum will get better when deals come again - we’ll just need to be patient in the meantime.
- Rental Property Investor · Oconomowoc, WI · Member since 2016 · 996 posts · 431 votes4mo
BP has changed A LOT in the past 4 years. The AI posts are making it worse, but even before then, it went downhill. I'm more of an OG on here, so I remember the days when it was genuinely investors helping other investors. Before they had paid company accounts and stuff like that. When the most you had was a premium investor account. It's become rampant with self-promotion. Half of my keyword search alerts are now just "look at my awesome company" posts. Almost every post asking for help has a "call me, I'll solve your problem" like answer from someone wanting to sell you a service.
Hopefully, things will straighten out, and we can get back to being a community of investors seeking to help first with our knowledge.
- 4moColleen F.Pro MemberInvestor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
@Bruce Woodruff there are a lot of uninteresting posts lately but it seems like a lot less activity too. Some of what appears does feel like AI generated content.
I think people do go to AI for answers so that leads to less activity. For simple questions that is a positive for BP. But for complex situations it is different. An AI answer is only as good as the data it is using AS WELL as the completeness of the question. The plus of having experienced people answer is that the answers are more well rounded AND you can get an idea of who those people are who answer (know your source) and that is critical for more complex questions.
The downside of the AI we see here is the content that isn't really questions or information. That BP I think needs to address. - Lender · Tampa, FL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes4mo
It's gotten so bad I don't come on here as much. "1 Post, 0 Votes" is now the norm. I saw two of those posts just now. One had the phrase "sanity check" and another used dashes mid-sentence when no hyphenation was appropriate. These are 2 dead give-a-ways it was AI created. It's really getting old. I agree with you.
- Specialist · Tucson, AZ · Member since 2025 · 7 posts · 6 votes4mo
For someone just fishing around the industry because my husband and I are looking at getting back in the game after many years out of it, I appreciate your post.
I have only been here heavily since last week and thought it would be different. I was hoping for more insite, stats, feedback, etc.
I will stay in the pond for a bit longer - but I legit thought I was being a bit snooty - appranetly I am not.LOL - 4moHenry ClarkPro MemberDeveloper · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
OP. No I didn't write the following:
Why Bigger Pockets Feels Overloaded with AI PostsIt’s not just Bigger Pockets — the entire real estate and finance content space is seeing a surge in AI-generated posts, and that’s why you might feel overwhelmed.
The AI content boom
Since ChatGPT’s 2022 release, generative AI tools have made it easy to produce polished, long-form content in seconds. On LinkedIn, more than half of posts over 100 words are now estimated to be AI-generated LinkedIn. Medium saw its AI-written stories jump from under 2% to over 37% between 2022–2024, and Quora’s AI answers rose from ~2% to nearly 39% in the same period LinkedIn. This trend is spreading to niche communities like real estate, where platforms and influencers are using AI to scale content production.Why it’s happening now
- Ease of use: ChatGPT and similar tools can generate detailed, well-structured posts, reports, and even visual content.
- Speed and volume: AI can produce multiple posts quickly, filling feeds with “sloppy” or “slop” content that’s hard to distinguish from human work Fast Company.
- Algorithmic amplification: Platforms’ recommendation systems often prioritize engaging or novel content, which AI can generate in bulk Reddit.
- Community adoption: Even in Q&A and discussion boards, AI is now a common contributor, sometimes producing highly detailed but generic answers LinkedIn.
Impact on Bigger Pockets
Bigger Pockets’ audience is highly engaged and values quality, so AI-generated posts can feel out of place — especially if they’re generic, over-polished, or lack the authentic voice that builds trust. This can dilute the platform’s credibility and make it harder for genuine, high-value content to stand out.How to cope
- Curate your feed: Follow only creators and brands you trust, and block or mute accounts that consistently post AI-generated content.
- Use AI detection tools: While imperfect, some linguistic pattern analysis can help spot AI-generated text Fast Company.
- Engage with quality content: Prioritize posts with strong visuals, original research, or personal insights.
- Support human creators: Encourage and promote content from real estate professionals, investors, and community members who use AI only as a supplement.
In short, the AI content surge is a platform-wide trend, and Bigger Pockets is just one of many places feeling the effects. The key is to adapt by filtering, curating, and focusing on the human-driven content that still resonates with your audience.
- Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes4mo
Quote from @Henry Clark:
OP. No I didn't write the following:
Why Bigger Pockets Feels Overloaded with AI PostsIt’s not just Bigger Pockets — the entire real estate and finance content space is seeing a surge in AI-generated posts, and that’s why you might feel overwhelmed.
The AI content boom
Since ChatGPT’s 2022 release, generative AI tools have made it easy to produce polished, long-form content in seconds. On LinkedIn, more than half of posts over 100 words are now estimated to be AI-generated LinkedIn. Medium saw its AI-written stories jump from under 2% to over 37% between 2022–2024, and Quora’s AI answers rose from ~2% to nearly 39% in the same period LinkedIn. This trend is spreading to niche communities like real estate, where platforms and influencers are using AI to scale content production.Why it’s happening now
- Ease of use: ChatGPT and similar tools can generate detailed, well-structured posts, reports, and even visual content.
- Speed and volume: AI can produce multiple posts quickly, filling feeds with “sloppy” or “slop” content that’s hard to distinguish from human work Fast Company.
- Algorithmic amplification: Platforms’ recommendation systems often prioritize engaging or novel content, which AI can generate in bulk Reddit.
- Community adoption: Even in Q&A and discussion boards, AI is now a common contributor, sometimes producing highly detailed but generic answers LinkedIn.
Impact on Bigger Pockets
Bigger Pockets’ audience is highly engaged and values quality, so AI-generated posts can feel out of place — especially if they’re generic, over-polished, or lack the authentic voice that builds trust. This can dilute the platform’s credibility and make it harder for genuine, high-value content to stand out.How to cope
- Curate your feed: Follow only creators and brands you trust, and block or mute accounts that consistently post AI-generated content.
- Use AI detection tools: While imperfect, some linguistic pattern analysis can help spot AI-generated text Fast Company.
- Engage with quality content: Prioritize posts with strong visuals, original research, or personal insights.
- Support human creators: Encourage and promote content from real estate professionals, investors, and community members who use AI only as a supplement.
In short, the AI content surge is a platform-wide trend, and Bigger Pockets is just one of many places feeling the effects. The key is to adapt by filtering, curating, and focusing on the human-driven content that still resonates with your audience.
It's not about the answer-posts. The real problem is that nobody goes to BP anymore for advice. Posting a question here is not easy, describing a problem in one post takes cognitive effort and the results are so-so. Much easier to ask AI than to ask us here..
BP Forums are dying. I had to laugh when I saw the post on top $100 to help us make the forums better. It's like "help us make yellow pages better" - a last desperate dying attempt - 4moDon KonipolBusiness MemberInvestor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votesI’m not sure I totally agree, but the yellow page analogy certainly puts the situation in perspective.
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
Quote from @Henry Clark:
OP. No I didn't write the following:
Why Bigger Pockets Feels Overloaded with AI PostsIt’s not just Bigger Pockets — the entire real estate and finance content space is seeing a surge in AI-generated posts, and that’s why you might feel overwhelmed.
The AI content boom
Since ChatGPT’s 2022 release, generative AI tools have made it easy to produce polished, long-form content in seconds. On LinkedIn, more than half of posts over 100 words are now estimated to be AI-generated LinkedIn. Medium saw its AI-written stories jump from under 2% to over 37% between 2022–2024, and Quora’s AI answers rose from ~2% to nearly 39% in the same period LinkedIn. This trend is spreading to niche communities like real estate, where platforms and influencers are using AI to scale content production.Why it’s happening now
- Ease of use: ChatGPT and similar tools can generate detailed, well-structured posts, reports, and even visual content.
- Speed and volume: AI can produce multiple posts quickly, filling feeds with “sloppy” or “slop” content that’s hard to distinguish from human work Fast Company.
- Algorithmic amplification: Platforms’ recommendation systems often prioritize engaging or novel content, which AI can generate in bulk Reddit.
- Community adoption: Even in Q&A and discussion boards, AI is now a common contributor, sometimes producing highly detailed but generic answers LinkedIn.
Impact on Bigger Pockets
Bigger Pockets’ audience is highly engaged and values quality, so AI-generated posts can feel out of place — especially if they’re generic, over-polished, or lack the authentic voice that builds trust. This can dilute the platform’s credibility and make it harder for genuine, high-value content to stand out.How to cope
- Curate your feed: Follow only creators and brands you trust, and block or mute accounts that consistently post AI-generated content.
- Use AI detection tools: While imperfect, some linguistic pattern analysis can help spot AI-generated text Fast Company.
- Engage with quality content: Prioritize posts with strong visuals, original research, or personal insights.
- Support human creators: Encourage and promote content from real estate professionals, investors, and community members who use AI only as a supplement.
In short, the AI content surge is a platform-wide trend, and Bigger Pockets is just one of many places feeling the effects. The key is to adapt by filtering, curating, and focusing on the human-driven content that still resonates with your audience.
It's not about the answer-posts. The real problem is that nobody goes to BP anymore for advice. Posting a question here is not easy, describing a problem in one post takes cognitive effort and the results are so-so. Much easier to ask AI than to ask us here..
BP Forums are dying. I had to laugh when I saw the post on top $100 to help us make the forums better. It's like "help us make yellow pages better" - a last desperate dying attempt
About 80% of OP are AI generated, people seeking to fulfill a “program” designed to create awareness of their product, service or expertise and no actual engagement, just an item to check off on a list of things to do to “increase your visibility”. Wasting time on these has been so full of BS that many long time posters have either stopped responding, participating or left BP completely.
I looked at the newest 20 posts at one point yesterday and saw that 17 of them were posted by someone with 3 posts or less! And almost all fell into the obvious AI/programed posts we see so often.
After almost 17 years as a participant on BP I’m in the process of “rethinking my participation”. I just don’t see many posts where I can “add value” by participating. Even my own posts which used to generate 20 + responses mostly from well established real estate “players” now get 2 -3 REAL responses, and a couple of obvious AI generated self serving barely relevant replies.
on second thought maybe I do totally agree with you! - Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes4mo
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
Quote from @Henry Clark:
OP. No I didn't write the following:
Why Bigger Pockets Feels Overloaded with AI PostsIt’s not just Bigger Pockets — the entire real estate and finance content space is seeing a surge in AI-generated posts, and that’s why you might feel overwhelmed.
The AI content boom
Since ChatGPT’s 2022 release, generative AI tools have made it easy to produce polished, long-form content in seconds. On LinkedIn, more than half of posts over 100 words are now estimated to be AI-generated LinkedIn. Medium saw its AI-written stories jump from under 2% to over 37% between 2022–2024, and Quora’s AI answers rose from ~2% to nearly 39% in the same period LinkedIn. This trend is spreading to niche communities like real estate, where platforms and influencers are using AI to scale content production.Why it’s happening now
- Ease of use: ChatGPT and similar tools can generate detailed, well-structured posts, reports, and even visual content.
- Speed and volume: AI can produce multiple posts quickly, filling feeds with “sloppy” or “slop” content that’s hard to distinguish from human work Fast Company.
- Algorithmic amplification: Platforms’ recommendation systems often prioritize engaging or novel content, which AI can generate in bulk Reddit.
- Community adoption: Even in Q&A and discussion boards, AI is now a common contributor, sometimes producing highly detailed but generic answers LinkedIn.
Impact on Bigger Pockets
Bigger Pockets’ audience is highly engaged and values quality, so AI-generated posts can feel out of place — especially if they’re generic, over-polished, or lack the authentic voice that builds trust. This can dilute the platform’s credibility and make it harder for genuine, high-value content to stand out.How to cope
- Curate your feed: Follow only creators and brands you trust, and block or mute accounts that consistently post AI-generated content.
- Use AI detection tools: While imperfect, some linguistic pattern analysis can help spot AI-generated text Fast Company.
- Engage with quality content: Prioritize posts with strong visuals, original research, or personal insights.
- Support human creators: Encourage and promote content from real estate professionals, investors, and community members who use AI only as a supplement.
In short, the AI content surge is a platform-wide trend, and Bigger Pockets is just one of many places feeling the effects. The key is to adapt by filtering, curating, and focusing on the human-driven content that still resonates with your audience.
It's not about the answer-posts. The real problem is that nobody goes to BP anymore for advice. Posting a question here is not easy, describing a problem in one post takes cognitive effort and the results are so-so. Much easier to ask AI than to ask us here..
BP Forums are dying. I had to laugh when I saw the post on top $100 to help us make the forums better. It's like "help us make yellow pages better" - a last desperate dying attempt
Sadly, I think you are correct. Leads me to wonder if there is a way I can have AI fetch copies of all my posts for my own "training".
You are also very correct about it taking "cognitive effort" to post questions. Obviously, newbs don't know what they don't know, but recently, with or without AI, it seems they cannot effectively frame even the most basic of questions. I think that speaks to the failure of schooling and the impact of the more prevalent social media brain numbing process.
As for me, unless I see a long time poster comment on a new post that I feel the need to add to or question, I don't plan to respond anymore to those with fewer than at least a hundred posts. I wonder if I can get AI to filter the site for those? - Real Estate Investor · Orange Park, FL · Member since 2009 · 14 posts · 1 vote3mo
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
Quote from @Henry Clark:
OP. No I didn't write the following:
Why Bigger Pockets Feels Overloaded with AI PostsIt’s not just Bigger Pockets — the entire real estate and finance content space is seeing a surge in AI-generated posts, and that’s why you might feel overwhelmed.
The AI content boom
Since ChatGPT’s 2022 release, generative AI tools have made it easy to produce polished, long-form content in seconds. On LinkedIn, more than half of posts over 100 words are now estimated to be AI-generated LinkedIn. Medium saw its AI-written stories jump from under 2% to over 37% between 2022–2024, and Quora’s AI answers rose from ~2% to nearly 39% in the same period LinkedIn. This trend is spreading to niche communities like real estate, where platforms and influencers are using AI to scale content production.Why it’s happening now
- Ease of use: ChatGPT and similar tools can generate detailed, well-structured posts, reports, and even visual content.
- Speed and volume: AI can produce multiple posts quickly, filling feeds with “sloppy” or “slop” content that’s hard to distinguish from human work Fast Company.
- Algorithmic amplification: Platforms’ recommendation systems often prioritize engaging or novel content, which AI can generate in bulk Reddit.
- Community adoption: Even in Q&A and discussion boards, AI is now a common contributor, sometimes producing highly detailed but generic answers LinkedIn.
Impact on Bigger Pockets
Bigger Pockets’ audience is highly engaged and values quality, so AI-generated posts can feel out of place — especially if they’re generic, over-polished, or lack the authentic voice that builds trust. This can dilute the platform’s credibility and make it harder for genuine, high-value content to stand out.How to cope
- Curate your feed: Follow only creators and brands you trust, and block or mute accounts that consistently post AI-generated content.
- Use AI detection tools: While imperfect, some linguistic pattern analysis can help spot AI-generated text Fast Company.
- Engage with quality content: Prioritize posts with strong visuals, original research, or personal insights.
- Support human creators: Encourage and promote content from real estate professionals, investors, and community members who use AI only as a supplement.
In short, the AI content surge is a platform-wide trend, and Bigger Pockets is just one of many places feeling the effects. The key is to adapt by filtering, curating, and focusing on the human-driven content that still resonates with your audience.
It's not about the answer-posts. The real problem is that nobody goes to BP anymore for advice. Posting a question here is not easy, describing a problem in one post takes cognitive effort and the results are so-so. Much easier to ask AI than to ask us here..
BP Forums are dying. I had to laugh when I saw the post on top $100 to help us make the forums better. It's like "help us make yellow pages better" - a last desperate dying attemptMarcus is correct, but it's only one of the issues. Forums are absolutely a dying breed as people have left forums en masse for Facebook Groups. Instead of poring through a forum to find posts or get advice on specialized topics, there's a FB group for that. Have a question specifically about house hacking in Mobile, AL? There's probably a FB group called "House Hacking in Mobile Alabama", and people will go there and get just the info they need and connect with locals there. A forum about IT certs I've been a member of for the better part of two decades is closing down in a couple of weeks. That forum was IMMENSELY helpful to people in my profession and I can directly attribute some of my incredible success in my field to that forum. Even the greatest and most active forums are dying off. Look at https://www.city-data.com/forum/ as an example. Arguably the busiest forum I’ve ever come across and a tremendous resource, and the rate of participation is nothing like it used to be. Someone actually just made a post about it as well (https://www.city-data.com/forum/oahu/3530849-these-forums-dying-what-your-alternative.html#post68635268). Alongside FB groups, Reddit also seems to be more popular these days (for better or for worse).
And that brings me to another point. Along with that IT forum and other great forums I’ve been a member of for decades, and possibly here (not sure as I’ve been mostly out of the loop on the BP forums over the past decade plus), forums go through ownership/management changes, and technology changes. Both often for the worse. New management almost never is as good at running the forum they take over as the previous management. As well, the newer flashy forum software oftentimes takes away from the ease of use of the forums. I can definitely say the current BP forum UI is awful and the older, simpler UI was much easier to browse through. FB groups are just easier for people who are on FB anyways to hop into and use.
And the increase in posters just posting AI slop, or creating a front for their product or service is definitely a problem these days. That’s happening everywhere though. You can’t participate in forums, FB Goups, Reddit threads or even Twitter/IG without coming across it. The most annoying is ever since the advent of OnlyFans, all the OF girls joining those same places, creating and participating in the groups for a specific topic such as gaming, day trading, etc, and then all of a sudden when they’ve established a following, a Linktree appears in their profile and of course guess what’s in it, their OF link. Don’t see that here I don’t think, and instead it’s more people with services they want to sell doing the same, but it’s a broader problem.
I will say though, I myself spent years just learning from all of the great posters (been a member on this profile since 2009, but had another account before that), and have not yet been able to start REI due to starting a family in 2010 and after expanding it and then prioritizing life experiences with the family over pouring money into REI. My wife and I are going to finally start in the world of REI next year, and I'll definitely be more active, but I think part of the situation with the lack of quality BP forum participation is the current economical environment, and it's not as easy for people to jump into REI. Seems post crash and until 2021 when interest rates and property prices exploded was really the gilded age for REI and the barriers to entry had never been lower. So I hope the veterans here don't disappear completely and stick around for the next wave of folks starting their REI journey when the economical environment is better suited to it.
- 3moDon KonipolBusiness MemberInvestor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votesI don’t agree with some of your conclusions, though the reality of results is different for many of us.
Quote from @Joseph J.:
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
Quote from @Henry Clark:
OP. No I didn't write the following:
Why Bigger Pockets Feels Overloaded with AI PostsIt’s not just Bigger Pockets — the entire real estate and finance content space is seeing a surge in AI-generated posts, and that’s why you might feel overwhelmed.
The AI content boom
Since ChatGPT’s 2022 release, generative AI tools have made it easy to produce polished, long-form content in seconds. On LinkedIn, more than half of posts over 100 words are now estimated to be AI-generated LinkedIn. Medium saw its AI-written stories jump from under 2% to over 37% between 2022–2024, and Quora’s AI answers rose from ~2% to nearly 39% in the same period LinkedIn. This trend is spreading to niche communities like real estate, where platforms and influencers are using AI to scale content production.Why it’s happening now
- Ease of use: ChatGPT and similar tools can generate detailed, well-structured posts, reports, and even visual content.
- Speed and volume: AI can produce multiple posts quickly, filling feeds with “sloppy” or “slop” content that’s hard to distinguish from human work Fast Company.
- Algorithmic amplification: Platforms’ recommendation systems often prioritize engaging or novel content, which AI can generate in bulk Reddit.
- Community adoption: Even in Q&A and discussion boards, AI is now a common contributor, sometimes producing highly detailed but generic answers LinkedIn.
Impact on Bigger Pockets
Bigger Pockets’ audience is highly engaged and values quality, so AI-generated posts can feel out of place — especially if they’re generic, over-polished, or lack the authentic voice that builds trust. This can dilute the platform’s credibility and make it harder for genuine, high-value content to stand out.How to cope
- Curate your feed: Follow only creators and brands you trust, and block or mute accounts that consistently post AI-generated content.
- Use AI detection tools: While imperfect, some linguistic pattern analysis can help spot AI-generated text Fast Company.
- Engage with quality content: Prioritize posts with strong visuals, original research, or personal insights.
- Support human creators: Encourage and promote content from real estate professionals, investors, and community members who use AI only as a supplement.
In short, the AI content surge is a platform-wide trend, and Bigger Pockets is just one of many places feeling the effects. The key is to adapt by filtering, curating, and focusing on the human-driven content that still resonates with your audience.
It's not about the answer-posts. The real problem is that nobody goes to BP anymore for advice. Posting a question here is not easy, describing a problem in one post takes cognitive effort and the results are so-so. Much easier to ask AI than to ask us here..
BP Forums are dying. I had to laugh when I saw the post on top $100 to help us make the forums better. It's like "help us make yellow pages better" - a last desperate dying attemptMarcus is correct, but it's only one of the issues. Forums are absolutely a dying breed as people have left forums en masse for Facebook Groups. Instead of poring through a forum to find posts or get advice on specialized topics, there's a FB group for that. Have a question specifically about house hacking in Mobile, AL? There's probably a FB group called "House Hacking in Mobile Alabama", and people will go there and get just the info they need and connect with locals there. A forum about IT certs I've been a member of for the better part of two decades is closing down in a couple of weeks. That forum was IMMENSELY helpful to people in my profession and I can directly attribute some of my incredible success in my field to that forum. Even the greatest and most active forums are dying off. Look at https://www.city-data.com/forum/ as an example. Arguably the busiest forum I’ve ever come across and a tremendous resource, and the rate of participation is nothing like it used to be. Someone actually just made a post about it as well (https://www.city-data.com/forum/oahu/3530849-these-forums-dying-what-your-alternative.html#post68635268). Alongside FB groups, Reddit also seems to be more popular these days (for better or for worse).
And that brings me to another point. Along with that IT forum and other great forums I’ve been a member of for decades, and possibly here (not sure as I’ve been mostly out of the loop on the BP forums over the past decade plus), forums go through ownership/management changes, and technology changes. Both often for the worse. New management almost never is as good at running the forum they take over as the previous management. As well, the newer flashy forum software oftentimes takes away from the ease of use of the forums. I can definitely say the current BP forum UI is awful and the older, simpler UI was much easier to browse through. FB groups are just easier for people who are on FB anyways to hop into and use.
And the increase in posters just posting AI slop, or creating a front for their product or service is definitely a problem these days. That’s happening everywhere though. You can’t participate in forums, FB Goups, Reddit threads or even Twitter/IG without coming across it. The most annoying is ever since the advent of OnlyFans, all the OF girls joining those same places, creating and participating in the groups for a specific topic such as gaming, day trading, etc, and then all of a sudden when they’ve established a following, a Linktree appears in their profile and of course guess what’s in it, their OF link. Don’t see that here I don’t think, and instead it’s more people with services they want to sell doing the same, but it’s a broader problem.
I will say though, I myself spent years just learning from all of the great posters (been a member on this profile since 2009, but had another account before that), and have not yet been able to start REI due to starting a family in 2010 and after expanding it and then prioritizing life experiences with the family over pouring money into REI. My wife and I are going to finally start in the world of REI next year, and I'll definitely be more active, but I think part of the situation with the lack of quality BP forum participation is the current economical environment, and it's not as easy for people to jump into REI. Seems post crash and until 2021 when interest rates and property prices exploded was really the gilded age for REI and the barriers to entry had never been lower. So I hope the veterans here don't disappear completely and stick around for the next wave of folks starting their REI journey when the economical environment is better suited to it.
Trying to “time” the real estate market “cycle” is like trying to time the stock markets - looks doable and obvious in hindsight but near impossible for most people with any kind of sustainability.
The decision whether the “time is right” to invest is a personal one, but there’s money to be made in any market.
The keys to successful real estate investing are knowledge, experience, capital (or access to), and luck.
The best time to invest”buy” was always yesterday. The second best time is today. Third is tomorrow.
Investing in real estate is NOT the best investment anyone can make, despite the BS put out by both “gurus” and general observers. It’s only one of numerous different categories of investment. What real estate investing does lend to is GENERALLY rising values over a long term horizon, and the ability or possibility of leveraging those returns using 50% or greater leverage while paying RELATIVELY low interest rate on the borrowed capital.
The BIG opportunity in REAL ESTATE investment as opposed to other assets is the opportunity for an ACTIVE investor to ENHANCE ROI by their own efforts, knowledge, and expertise. - Rental Property Investor · San Francisco Bay Area · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes3mo
Quote from @Joseph J.:
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
Quote from @Henry Clark:
OP. No I didn't write the following:
Why Bigger Pockets Feels Overloaded with AI PostsIt’s not just Bigger Pockets — the entire real estate and finance content space is seeing a surge in AI-generated posts, and that’s why you might feel overwhelmed.
The AI content boom
Since ChatGPT’s 2022 release, generative AI tools have made it easy to produce polished, long-form content in seconds. On LinkedIn, more than half of posts over 100 words are now estimated to be AI-generated LinkedIn. Medium saw its AI-written stories jump from under 2% to over 37% between 2022–2024, and Quora’s AI answers rose from ~2% to nearly 39% in the same period LinkedIn. This trend is spreading to niche communities like real estate, where platforms and influencers are using AI to scale content production.Why it’s happening now
- Ease of use: ChatGPT and similar tools can generate detailed, well-structured posts, reports, and even visual content.
- Speed and volume: AI can produce multiple posts quickly, filling feeds with “sloppy” or “slop” content that’s hard to distinguish from human work Fast Company.
- Algorithmic amplification: Platforms’ recommendation systems often prioritize engaging or novel content, which AI can generate in bulk Reddit.
- Community adoption: Even in Q&A and discussion boards, AI is now a common contributor, sometimes producing highly detailed but generic answers LinkedIn.
Impact on Bigger Pockets
Bigger Pockets’ audience is highly engaged and values quality, so AI-generated posts can feel out of place — especially if they’re generic, over-polished, or lack the authentic voice that builds trust. This can dilute the platform’s credibility and make it harder for genuine, high-value content to stand out.How to cope
- Curate your feed: Follow only creators and brands you trust, and block or mute accounts that consistently post AI-generated content.
- Use AI detection tools: While imperfect, some linguistic pattern analysis can help spot AI-generated text Fast Company.
- Engage with quality content: Prioritize posts with strong visuals, original research, or personal insights.
- Support human creators: Encourage and promote content from real estate professionals, investors, and community members who use AI only as a supplement.
In short, the AI content surge is a platform-wide trend, and Bigger Pockets is just one of many places feeling the effects. The key is to adapt by filtering, curating, and focusing on the human-driven content that still resonates with your audience.
It's not about the answer-posts. The real problem is that nobody goes to BP anymore for advice. Posting a question here is not easy, describing a problem in one post takes cognitive effort and the results are so-so. Much easier to ask AI than to ask us here..
BP Forums are dying. I had to laugh when I saw the post on top $100 to help us make the forums better. It's like "help us make yellow pages better" - a last desperate dying attemptMarcus is correct, but it's only one of the issues. Forums are absolutely a dying breed as people have left forums en masse for Facebook Groups. Instead of poring through a forum to find posts or get advice on specialized topics, there's a FB group for that. Have a question specifically about house hacking in Mobile, AL? There's probably a FB group called "House Hacking in Mobile Alabama", and people will go there and get just the info they need and connect with locals there. A forum about IT certs I've been a member of for the better part of two decades is closing down in a couple of weeks. That forum was IMMENSELY helpful to people in my profession and I can directly attribute some of my incredible success in my field to that forum. Even the greatest and most active forums are dying off. Look at https://www.city-data.com/forum/ as an example. Arguably the busiest forum I’ve ever come across and a tremendous resource, and the rate of participation is nothing like it used to be. Someone actually just made a post about it as well (https://www.city-data.com/forum/oahu/3530849-these-forums-dying-what-your-alternative.html#post68635268). Alongside FB groups, Reddit also seems to be more popular these days (for better or for worse).
And that brings me to another point. Along with that IT forum and other great forums I’ve been a member of for decades, and possibly here (not sure as I’ve been mostly out of the loop on the BP forums over the past decade plus), forums go through ownership/management changes, and technology changes. Both often for the worse. New management almost never is as good at running the forum they take over as the previous management. As well, the newer flashy forum software oftentimes takes away from the ease of use of the forums. I can definitely say the current BP forum UI is awful and the older, simpler UI was much easier to browse through. FB groups are just easier for people who are on FB anyways to hop into and use.
And the increase in posters just posting AI slop, or creating a front for their product or service is definitely a problem these days. That’s happening everywhere though. You can’t participate in forums, FB Goups, Reddit threads or even Twitter/IG without coming across it. The most annoying is ever since the advent of OnlyFans, all the OF girls joining those same places, creating and participating in the groups for a specific topic such as gaming, day trading, etc, and then all of a sudden when they’ve established a following, a Linktree appears in their profile and of course guess what’s in it, their OF link. Don’t see that here I don’t think, and instead it’s more people with services they want to sell doing the same, but it’s a broader problem.
I will say though, I myself spent years just learning from all of the great posters (been a member on this profile since 2009, but had another account before that), and have not yet been able to start REI due to starting a family in 2010 and after expanding it and then prioritizing life experiences with the family over pouring money into REI. My wife and I are going to finally start in the world of REI next year, and I'll definitely be more active, but I think part of the situation with the lack of quality BP forum participation is the current economical environment, and it's not as easy for people to jump into REI. Seems post crash and until 2021 when interest rates and property prices exploded was really the gilded age for REI and the barriers to entry had never been lower. So I hope the veterans here don't disappear completely and stick around for the next wave of folks starting their REI journey when the economical environment is better suited to it.
I noticed the shift in the last 2 years. Experienced investors would comment on young people's posts, 18 to 22 years old posing "I don't want to work in corporate world for 30 years, "I heard the real estate is the path to financial freedom", etc" The OP would sometimes respond back about their specific situation. I did get a few new California investors DM me and have gotten on calls with them but this has declined significantly - maybe once in 10 months vs. talking to maybe 2 investors in 6 months.
Then the blog type posts and AI and bots occurred more often. I had someone probably DM me and trying to sell a system to help me analyze properties comment the same thing on someone else's post. It seemed to be a mass DM - no personal greeting. I reported this person. As far as I know he's still on here.
I haven't posted in more than a year to ask for advice. I joined a Facebook group specifically for my out of state investing. I met a few of the people in person and talked by phone/Zoom with others. They know the intricacies of that particular market.
With investing locally, I attend local meet ups and established relationships with these people, kind of like the old way of networking on a golf course. We haven't done golf but it's usually pickleball, centered around a lunch or a formal meetup, someone doing an educational session on local rental laws (for free). I've walked other investors' projects and learned so much about construction. We don't allow people to raise capital or solicit at these meet ups. If two people want to talk outside of the group and partner, they are free to do that. This group is like my second family - we have laughed, cried and bonded over real estate experiences, in state as well as OOS. You can't get that type of real life experience in posting on forums.
- 4moStephen QuesinberryBusiness MemberReal Estate Agent · Cumming, GA · Member since 2016 · 226 posts · 157 votes
Less new faces asking questions because they can just ask AI and it'd be easier to get clarity faster/quicker.
Only people here that need to build relationships and care about reputation. Positives I would think.
Cornerstone Real Estate Partners - 4moScott TrenchPro MemberRental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 6k+ votes
I wonder if a potential solution to this is a button that members can click that "suspects the post is AI generated". If the original post, or a comment receives enough such "votes", then it is automatically hidden until the poster appeals it, or a moderator overrides.
This will hide a ton of junk, while also giving humans the chance to make their case. It will force the community to acknowledging the real challenge of identifying AI junk, human junk (which is sadly also real), and AI - assisted content, and give "votes" the power to make a call about when the line is crossed, without giving one guy unilateral decision-making rights on it.
Some AI assistance is probably a GOOD thing. I know a few posters in this community who hav 10,000+ posts and still can't spell :). But, also gotta take out the trash.
- Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes4mo
Quote from @Scott Trench:
I wonder if a potential solution to this is a button that members can click that "suspects the post is AI generated". If the original post, or a comment receives enough such "votes", then it is automatically hidden until the poster appeals it, or a moderator overrides.
This will hide a ton of junk, while also giving humans the chance to make their case. It will force the community to acknowledging the real challenge of identifying AI junk, human junk (which is sadly also real), and AI - assisted content, and give "votes" the power to make a call about when the line is crossed, without giving one guy unilateral decision-making rights on it.
Some AI assistance is probably a GOOD thing. I know a few posters in this community who hav 10,000+ posts and still can't spell :). But, also gotta take out the trash.
Just click on the three dots at the bottom left of the post. The problem with that is that it doesn't seem like admin pays much attention to it. They should be more proactive to begin with IMHO. - 4moScott TrenchPro MemberRental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 6k+ votes
Quote from @Richard F.:
Quote from @Scott Trench:
I wonder if a potential solution to this is a button that members can click that "suspects the post is AI generated". If the original post, or a comment receives enough such "votes", then it is automatically hidden until the poster appeals it, or a moderator overrides.
This will hide a ton of junk, while also giving humans the chance to make their case. It will force the community to acknowledging the real challenge of identifying AI junk, human junk (which is sadly also real), and AI - assisted content, and give "votes" the power to make a call about when the line is crossed, without giving one guy unilateral decision-making rights on it.
Some AI assistance is probably a GOOD thing. I know a few posters in this community who hav 10,000+ posts and still can't spell :). But, also gotta take out the trash.
Just click on the three dots at the bottom left of the post. The problem with that is that it doesn't seem like admin pays much attention to it. They should be more proactive to begin with IMHO.Well I should have thought of that. I think it could be as simple as changing the language of "report abuse" to "report AI/Abuse", and if not used, moving that out to be next to "votes" in the UI.
- Investor · Hendersonville, NC · Member since 2016 · 498 posts · 285 votes4moI've seen a lot of experts posting very basic questions just to drive conversations lately. I'm not a huge fan. It's just fluff and doesn't really help anyone out.
- Huntsville, AL · Member since 2018 · 577 posts · 864 votes4mo
For me, it's the lack of local investors that are still on BP - 90+% of the Huntsville/Madison investors that used to be on BP no longer post or have left the site (or have left REI altogether).
Most who now make posts about investing in this area either are trying to sell something or have no clue what they are talking about.
It's a shame - I am very thankful for everything I learned on this site over the last 8+ years and enjoyed sharing insights.
- 3moAdam TafelBusiness MemberReal Estate Agent · St. Paul, MN · Member since 2017 · 570 posts · 393 votes
Preach… I feel like Facebook is worse, the same people posting clearly AI generated “content” in the same cheesy voice is comical.
Upside Property Sales 4.9108 Reviews - Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes3mo
I agree, and I made this comment in another post where you're now seeing people start out with a statement in the title. They will use some long-winded AI response to validate that statement and then pose a question at the end.
Either everyone took the same guru training on how to post on Bigger Pockets, or is using AI.
7e investments53 Reviews - Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes3mo
@Becca F. - masses of content have been created in the 2010-2020 period: just look at the number of REI books published in this period. Around 2015 I used to be able to say that I have read every single significant book about real estate investing.
There was only a hand full before 2008, like Kiyosaki, McElroy, DeRoose, maybe Napoleon Hill.. Now we see literally hundreds of titles published per year on every micro topic you can think of.
And they all talk about making money in RE like it's 2015. And the current young generation walks into this massive universe of success stories and of course thinks they can do it.. and quit their job lol
- 3moNicholas L.Pro MemberFlipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
and the funny thing is, you're still on here adding tons of value as are many others in diverse markets.
whenever someone wants to invest in ________ I say, get on a plane and get yourself there, and the answer is usually - that's too hard, or i don't have time, or that would be too expensive.
but they'll shell out $50K on a down payment.
if anyone wants to fly to Pittsburgh and be talked OUT OF investing i'll pick you up at the airport and do so.
ugh.
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