I dont understand the "No solicitation" policy.

I dont understand the "No solicitation" policy.

Las Vegas Nevada · Member since 2016 · 17 posts · 3 votes

On the podcast i always here go to bigger pockets and reach out to those in your area to meetup with them. But isn't asking someone to meet up a solicitation??? Or is the advice that is given on their to go to bigger pockets to find a meetup, then ask someone to meet you for lunch at the meetup?? I read a post by Josh saying that it is ok to send deals to people if you had already asked if it was ok for you to send them deals. But wouldn't asking that be a solicitation? And im assuming it must be ok to solicit others' services. Is it ok to contact people outside of biggerpockets if you found them here?

I want to find a mentor that i could work full time for free for, but I'm not sure how to go about this if their is a specific person i want to work with.  I know your supposed to post in the marketplace but then id be solicited by people i don want to work with and not the ones I do. If someone says that they mentor people on their profile is it then ok to reach out to them to ask to be mentored??

I have received these colleague requests, these would be considered solicitations no? Im just trying to clarify so i understand, admins please do not go into messages to punish these people, I dont want to narc on these people.

"Hey there Michael,

Since we live in the same area I wanted to connect. You’re going to be blown away by the resources BP has to offer.

Please let me know if you ever need help from an investor-friendly real estate agent who is also an investor.

Good luck and happy investing!"a

"I noticed that you recently viewed my profile. Please let me know if there is anything I can help you with. If you are interested in self-directed retirement account - I offer free consultation and discounts on our services to all BP members. Let me know if you would like to schedule time to chat."

Im very confused as to what you can say in a colleague request and how you are supposed to do business on here. In my mind contacting anyone for any reason would be a "solicitation" of some type.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/using-big...

I read the above page and i am further consused.

"Prospect Warm Leads by Seeing Who is Visiting Your Profile

Building up connections is imperative for success in any venture, and that especially rings true in the real estate business. With that in mind, we put together a feature that is designed to help our members grow their networks, by allowing them to see who is looking at their profiles and blog posts — this feature is only available to our PRO members (not Plus). Imagine the power of knowing who looks you up. All you need to do is follow up with those people to see what their interest is, and you’ve suddenly prospected a warm lead. While it may not lead to anything, you might also find your next partner, deal, or financing by spending a few minutes each week connecting with these folks."

So that sounds like it is OK to off your services to people that have viewed your profile?

"Don’t Solicit in a Colleague Request. Colleague requests are designed to build relationships. Your colleague request should include a message about who you are, but not a request for services or products.  "

"but not a request for services or products." This sounds like you cant even ask for a service to be performed for you that is offered by others..

So sounds like the only place i can  offer to work for someone for free is in the market place, correct? Not via private messages or colleague request? Or by contacting them outside of biggerpockets.

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Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2014 · 284 posts · 123 votes
9y

@Michael Hallahan I'm sure someone who runs the website can answer this more definitively. However, my own view on this is "you know it when you see it". If I come on the forums saying "jee...I'd really like to find a drywall contractor in Houston", and you message me offering to connect me with one, or even post about a good drywall contractor in Houston, that's probably not a solicitation.

On the other hand, if in response to my query your reply is "I sell the cheapest drywall you're going to find anywhere. $5.99 a pound. www.extracheapdrywall.com", that probably is a solicitation. A) you haven't answered my question and B) you're trying to sell me something that I didn't really ask for (although tangentially/tenuously it could be argued I did).

As another example, there was a thread on here about hoa foreclosures in Florida. Whenever someone would ask about the law regarding this type of foreclosure, a poster would show up and post erroneous and incorrect legal information and then offer to connect people with hoa foreclosures they had for sale. Again, didn't really answer the question (or did so disingenuously or incorrectly) and then tried to sell something.

As a general rule, if your intent is to sincerely help someone who has asked for help, it's probably not a solicitation. On the other hand, if your agenda is to plug your own product, while only pretending to help the person, then it probably is a solicitation.

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  • Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2014 · 284 posts · 123 votes
    9y

    @Michael Hallahan I'm sure someone who runs the website can answer this more definitively. However, my own view on this is "you know it when you see it". If I come on the forums saying "jee...I'd really like to find a drywall contractor in Houston", and you message me offering to connect me with one, or even post about a good drywall contractor in Houston, that's probably not a solicitation.

    On the other hand, if in response to my query your reply is "I sell the cheapest drywall you're going to find anywhere. $5.99 a pound. www.extracheapdrywall.com", that probably is a solicitation. A) you haven't answered my question and B) you're trying to sell me something that I didn't really ask for (although tangentially/tenuously it could be argued I did).

    As another example, there was a thread on here about hoa foreclosures in Florida. Whenever someone would ask about the law regarding this type of foreclosure, a poster would show up and post erroneous and incorrect legal information and then offer to connect people with hoa foreclosures they had for sale. Again, didn't really answer the question (or did so disingenuously or incorrectly) and then tried to sell something.

    As a general rule, if your intent is to sincerely help someone who has asked for help, it's probably not a solicitation. On the other hand, if your agenda is to plug your own product, while only pretending to help the person, then it probably is a solicitation.

  • Las Vegas Nevada · Member since 2016 · 17 posts · 3 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Hal Thompson:

    @Michael Hallahan I'm sure someone who runs the website can answer this more definitively. However, my own view on this is "you know it when you see it". If I come on the forums saying "jee...I'd really like to find a drywall contractor in Houston", and you message me offering to connect me with one, or even post about a good drywall contractor in Houston, that's probably not a solicitation.

    On the other hand, if in response to my query your reply is "I sell the cheapest drywall you're going to find anywhere. $5.99 a pound. www.extracheapdrywall.com", that probably is a solicitation. A) you haven't answered my question and B) you're trying to sell me something that I didn't really ask for (although tangentially/tenuously it could be argued I did).

    As another example, there was a thread on here about hoa foreclosures in Florida. Whenever someone would ask about the law regarding this type of foreclosure, a poster would show up and post erroneous and incorrect legal information and then offer to connect people with hoa foreclosures they had for sale. Again, didn't really answer the question (or did so disingenuously or incorrectly) and then tried to sell something.

    As a general rule, if your intent is to sincerely help someone who has asked for help, it's probably not a solicitation. On the other hand, if your agenda is to plug your own product, while only pretending to help the person, then it probably is a solicitation.

    How would you come on the forums and say ""jee...I'd really like to find a drywall contractor in Houston" that seems like a pretty direct solicitation. Unless you make a thread about something else and just kinda sprinkle that in there ?

  • Investor · Avilla, IN · Member since 2013 · 796 posts · 769 votes
    9y
    Asking for recommendations for a drywall guy in a specific area is perfectly ok. Me making a post about a book I have written or a course on (fill in the blank real estate technique) is a direct solicitation to sell something and is a breach of the rules. It's also ok if you see on someone's profile that they're looking for local partners to contact them via private message and invite them to lunch. I don't see anything wrong with the PM's you've received assuming you've posted as long as you've commented somewhere or clicked on someone's profile and thus, made them feel there was a potential interest in what they offer.
  • Las Vegas Nevada · Member since 2016 · 17 posts · 3 votes
    9y

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/25/topics/147...

    When I was researching this I came across this thread, which led to me believe you can't ask for a referral to a vendor. Maybe it's just lenders you can't ask for, although I thought I read another thread where someone mentioned you can't ask for other services either.

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    BiggerPockets Money Podcast Host · Longmont, CO · Member since 2014 · 7k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    9y

    Thanks for bringing this up, @Michael Hallahan .

    The rules we have seem very restrictive at first glance, and they are. We exist to provide real estate information - without the hype. We want to keep our forums free from ads, spam, and all the other non-related garbage that seems to fill up many other forums.

    Asking for a vendor in a thread may seem like an innocent request - we're all here to help, right? Except that leads to people advertising themselves and their services.

    If someone does post that they're looking for a service, you may contact them through the PM system, and that is not considered solicitation since they have already 'put it out there' that they're looking for that service. (We do moderate the forums and remove these posts when we see them.)

    You cannot just randomly send PMs to people, just in case they might be looking for a service you provide. That is considered solicitation, and you can lose your PM privileges if you abuse the system.

    If you feel that you are receiving solicitous messages you don't want to receive, you can report the sender to our support department.

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