Mobile Home Park Academy - Kevin Bupp - gone dark?

Mobile Home Park Academy - Kevin Bupp - gone dark?

Gardendale, AL · Member since 2017 · 47 posts · 18 votes

For the past 20 days I have reached out via every avenue that I've heard referenced in Kevin Bupp and Charles Dehart's mobile home investing podcast, with no reply.

texted "Kevin" to 41... for the book
left a 5-start rating/review on itunes and emailed the info to gift@... for the CCS
emails to various contact addresses
(I'm deliberately being cryptic because these are meant for podcast listeners)

I wanted to purchase their MHPA course on their website but the button has been disabled.

Did they shut down?

@baspear
@kbupp

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Rental Property Investor · Clearwater, FL · Member since 2013 · 49 posts · 68 votes
7y

We are here! We've been dealing with some technical issues on the back end and are working on building a new site - it is in the works. 

See this reply in the discussion

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  • San Diego, CA · Member since 2017 · 105 posts · 55 votes
    7y
    @Adam Bradley I've attempted some of those things in recent months and have had similar results. I believe from a previous podcast that they've postponed the formal academy, and are instead focusing on their Deal Finder's Formula which is an abridged version. Though I've tried to purchase this recently and the website senda you in circles as well. They've had a couple of recent podcasts, so maybe they're focusing more on deals for their Sunrise syndication fund than the academy currently. Valuable use of their time I'm sure. Hopefully they can find bandwidth to get back to training soon though, I would also be interested in attending.
  • Rental Property Investor · El Monte CA · Member since 2018 · 134 posts · 66 votes
    7y

    Someone else said the same thing, I'm in the MHP University and boot camp , its extremely good i highly recommend it 

  • Specialist · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2016 · 186 posts · 173 votes
    7y

    So they only open it a few times a year. They doubled in size over the last year and like most of us only have so much time in the day. They are hiring more people so maybe they’ll have the bandwidth to move forward with it more. I’m one of the founding members of the academy and it was well worth the wait for it. 

    MHU is great as well. But if your persistent getting a hold of someone or getting what you want can be done. 

  • Investor · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 28 posts · 16 votes
    7y

    i'll be happy to help, i've gone through the course and it's very informative. Message me.

  • Rental Property Investor · Clearwater, FL · Member since 2013 · 49 posts · 68 votes
    7y

    We are here! We've been dealing with some technical issues on the back end and are working on building a new site - it is in the works. 

  • Gardendale, AL · Member since 2017 · 47 posts · 18 votes
    7y

    @Brian Spear, thank you for the update. Is there some place/feed/stream/site that I can check daily for the update? I'm currently listening through all the MHP podcasts (on 73 presently) and I don't know if I'll be up-to-date in time to catch the announcement on that future *latest* episode.

    If the site (https://mobilehomeparkacademy.com/) will get updated immediately (as I want to purchase immediately) upon the re-availability of MHPA then I can just keep checking there.

  • Gardendale, AL · Member since 2017 · 47 posts · 18 votes
    7y

    @Brian Spear, thank you. That answers all of my questions and more.

    I'll be checking DealFindersFormula.com daily for an update from its current incarnation.

  • Member since 2018 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    7y
    Where can one look to find a real estate mentor? What are some great questions to ask a real estate mentor/possible partner?
  • Rental Property Investor · Honolulu, HAWAII (HI) · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @Brian Spear I wanted to learn how to invest as a passive in MHP and was looking for a basic understanding. Is there a course or seminar you recommend for new folks?

  • Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 333 votes
    7y

    @Lane Kawaoka MHU (Frank Rolfe’s course) and the MH Academy mentioned above provide enough detail to become an educated passive investor.  In addition, or as a bare bones replacement, the following podcasts are highly educational on the niche.  Feel free to contact me any time regarding MHP’s.  We own and operate MHP’s and while we don’t accept passive capital at this time, we intend to change that in 2019.

    • Mobile Home Park Investors Poscast with Jefferson Lily
    • The Mobile Home Park Mastery Podcast with Frank Rolfe
    • The Mobile Home Park Investing Podcast with Kevin Bupp and Charles Dehart 

    You can also read through the resources on MHU’s website.  They have various webcasts and articles highlighting the nuances of the industry and the appeal of the asset class.

  • Mark RobertsonPro Member
    Investor · Salisbury, NC · Member since 2014 · 314 posts · 386 votes
    7y

    MH University and then MH academy. I wonder who was first and who borrowed (stole) the idea?

  • Rental Property Investor · Clearwater, FL · Member since 2013 · 49 posts · 68 votes
    7y

    @Adam Bradley you're welcome. And apologies to BP for the 'promotional' reply, which was removed. Was simply trying to answer Adam's question... 

    @Lane Kawaoka

    @Lane Kawaoka Certainly check out all of the resources @John Jacobus mentioned. MHU is a great for anyone looking to get a better understanding of the niche. We send our internal team members to attend the weekend bootcamp. It's a great way to get someone up to speed on the macroeconomics of the industry. 

    Additional educational content:

    • George Allen Blog
      • He has been an educator in the Manufactured Housing space for decades
      • He puts on a roundtable once/year where industry professionals share insights 
    • Park Place Education
      • I don't know Tony Ferris personally, but he shares his experience in the industry
    • MHI Conferences & Meetings 
      • Best place to meet & great executives in the industry.

    @Mark Robertson  Kudos on your great work over at CrowdDD. You're helping individuals achieve their goal of financial freedom by sharing the experiences you've learned over time. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Honolulu, HAWAII (HI) · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @Brian Spear Thanks! Exactly what I was looking for.

    If anyone is making their to one of these let me know!

  • Jim JohnsonPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2008 · 355 posts · 324 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Mark Robertson:

    MH University and then MH academy. I wonder who was first and who borrowed (stole) the idea?

     So prior to both was Mobile Home Millions. Dave and Frank were both presenters at mobile home millions. They felt they could put on a better gig. So The Mobile Home Park Store started the 'Bootcamp'. Mobile Home University was a separate forum operating by separate people. Dave and Frank bought MH University and folded the "bootcamp" under that entity. MH Academy came into the game along side MH University and The MHPS Bootcamp. 

    There seems to be some bleeding of information that flows back into mobile home millions for all of the education stuff that exists today. Dave and Franks stuff is pretty original, and the data package they give you is purely from them. When you come right down too it, you have a few different people teaching much the same stuff. Its like going to any school or reading most any textbook, much the same data, authors write and present it with their own flair. 

  • Joshua DiazPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Bronx, NY · Member since 2015 · 269 posts · 165 votes
    7y

    @Adam Bradley

    I have also been going through the podcasts to learn what I can about this niche. Thank you for this thread and thank you to everyone for the responses and info.  I am definitely interested in attending the deal Finder’s formula.

  • Developer · Upper Black Eddy, PA · Member since 2013 · 21 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    @Brian Spear so...the Deal Finder's Formula is the only training program currently available through MHA?  Is it currently available or is it being revised?  If not...is there an ETA?  I've just finished the MHU Homestudy Course...which was excellent, especially in the areas of due diligence and operations.  It seems that the MHA course may be a good addition to the MHU info especially in regards to acquisitions.  I'm interested in signing up with the MHA course ASAP.

    Kathleen

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2018 · 1 post · 1 vote
    7y

    I just tried to buy the course myself right now and it also took me in circles even. It said it processed the payment, but no actual material or receipt was ever received or able to be accessed. See enclosed screen shot I received. When I go to "click through to access" it just takes me to a page to buy the course I just bought! Such a bummer. 

  • Autumn RankinPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Bandera, TX · Member since 2017 · 148 posts · 56 votes
    7y

    im planning on attending a MHU event this year. Currently working a deal on a 10 lot + 1 house MHP 

  • Rental Property Investor · Louisville, KY · Member since 2008 · 342 posts · 123 votes
    7y

    I always enjoyed Lonnie Scruggs books. 

  • Jim JohnsonPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2008 · 355 posts · 324 votes
    7y

    On the Lonnie Scruggs books. My advise is to be selective on what you implement from his books.  While there is some really good negotiating info, and info on what to look for you must really take out the financing part. 'Lonnie Deals' as a legal way to finance mobile homes as a business died with the Safe Act. So your exit strategy must be something different- Lease Option is the closest. I would advise, a lease and option are two different things. Once someone leases a home for a certain amount of time they have the option to purchase it.  This is exactly what the car dealerships do. The keys here are no part of the lease payment can be used to reduce the purchase price of the home. The purchase price can not be nominal or- your really a lender and thus subject to the safe act. 

    So- how would that look-

    You purchase a home for $5,000 and then spend $3,000 fixing it up. You then lease it to someone for 48 months on payments of $350 per month. ( $16,800 in lease payments ). Then, they have the option of buying the home from you for $4,000 Cash NOT financed. (Total $20,800 - $8,000= $12,800) The assumption is- they stay in the house for the 4 years and at the end they have the $4,000 in cash to pay off the home. 

    If everything worked just like that- you have about a 40% yearly return.

    Here is the problem- in my experience a bit less than 50% of the buyers finish the lease and pay the options. Depending on the state, and local market  it can be as low as 25% or for me- as high as 75%. The nicer the product the higher the probability the buyer will stick.

    Anyway- hope that insight helps... 

  • Rental Property Investor · El Monte CA · Member since 2018 · 134 posts · 66 votes
    7y

    @Jim Johnson Thanks for breaking it down like that. I have a park with 3 homes that will go up for sale soon. That will help alot!

  • Warsaw, IN · Member since 2018 · 33 posts · 8 votes
    6y

    @Jim Johnson can you expand on  “The purchase price can not be nominal or- your really a lender and thus subject to the safe act.”... also, in this scenario, would the seller not be able to collect a non refundable option fee upfront? 

  • Jim JohnsonPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2008 · 355 posts · 324 votes
    6y

    @Diego Lopez The price must be what a reasonable person might pay for the home at the end of the lease option. 

    Say your talking about a 1980 3 bed 2 bath single-wide if good condition.

    So- you can collect an option fee- say $1000, or more maybe $1,500. Then you lease the home, say for $300 per month for 4 years (14,400). Then at the end of the 4 years the final purchase price is $3,500 or $5,000. Some thing that is not nominal- like it can not be $100. So in total you have collected 1000 + 14,400 + 3,500... $15,700 between the options payment, the lease payments and the final purchase price. If you sold the same home in cash today, maybe you would charge $12,000. This is the way car lease agreements are done, you give some money up front, you pay the lease, and at the end you have the option to purchase the car for a predetermined price. If you only charge like $100... well then the IRS, and any regular person would see that as financing not a lease option. Then you need to figure our the interest your going to claim on your taxes, and because it is a loan, you must comply with the safe act. 

  • Warsaw, IN · Member since 2018 · 33 posts · 8 votes
    6y

    @Jim Johnson thank you for that clear explanation!

  • Investor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2019 · 48 posts · 7 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Rudy Avila:

    Someone else said the same thing, I'm in the MHP University and boot camp , its extremely good i highly recommend it 

     Have you acquired a park since taking the course?  If so, how helpful was what you learned?

    Robert

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