Evaluating a Sub To Rental in Mount Morris MI Looking for Feedback on Underwriting

Evaluating a Sub To Rental in Mount Morris MI Looking for Feedback on Underwriting

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I’m evaluating a subject to opportunity in Mount Morris MI and wanted to get feedback from investors who’ve done creative finance or long term holds in smaller Midwest markets.

The property is a 2 bed 1 bath approximately 1,159 square feet built in 1954 with a fixed rate conventional mortgage at 3.625 percent. PITI is about 805 dollars per month. Total cash in is roughly 20k which includes catching up arrears. No cash to seller.

On the income side conservative rent estimates look like
About 1,000 per month as a traditional long term rental
About 1,100 per month with Section 8

There may be higher upside with MTR or STR depending on management but I'm underwriting this primarily as a long term hold.

What makes it interesting to me is the low fixed rate and control of the debt without a new loan but the downside is obviously tighter cash flow on a straight long term rental unless rents increase or taxes adjust favorably.

For those who have experience with subject to deals or holding rentals in similar Michigan markets I’m curious how you would underwrite the risk here. Would you view this more as a long term hold a hybrid strategy or something you would pass on. Are there any local considerations in Genesee County that would materially change the analysis.

Appreciate any insight and happy to clarify numbers if helpful

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  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    8mo

    @Josh Doidge You haven't shared what the mortgage balance is and what the property value is???

    That's a BIG part of evaluating Subject-To opportunities!

    You're investing $20k for what?

    $200 monthly cashflow, before maintenance, would be a 12% return => but it's going to be a LOT less once maintenance & vacancy is included.

    So, the equity needs to be considered to properly evaluate this opportunity.

    One last thing, have you looked into what the nonhomestead & uncapped property taxes will increase to?
    How about the increase in home insurance once converted to a landlord policy?

  • Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8mo
    Quote from @Josh Doidge:

    I’m evaluating a subject to opportunity in Mount Morris MI and wanted to get feedback from investors who’ve done creative finance or long term holds in smaller Midwest markets.

    The property is a 2 bed 1 bath approximately 1,159 square feet built in 1954 with a fixed rate conventional mortgage at 3.625 percent. PITI is about 805 dollars per month. Total cash in is roughly 20k which includes catching up arrears. No cash to seller.

    On the income side conservative rent estimates look like
    About 1,000 per month as a traditional long term rental
    About 1,100 per month with Section 8

    There may be higher upside with MTR or STR depending on management but I'm underwriting this primarily as a long term hold.

    What makes it interesting to me is the low fixed rate and control of the debt without a new loan but the downside is obviously tighter cash flow on a straight long term rental unless rents increase or taxes adjust favorably.

    For those who have experience with subject to deals or holding rentals in similar Michigan markets I’m curious how you would underwrite the risk here. Would you view this more as a long term hold a hybrid strategy or something you would pass on. Are there any local considerations in Genesee County that would materially change the analysis.

    Appreciate any insight and happy to clarify numbers if helpful

    With an estimate of the total crime rate at 4,301 per 100,000 people, with violent crime at 554 per 100,000 and property crime at 3,747 per 100,000, significantly higher than the U.S. average of 268.5 per 100,000, sure is an exciting place. Expect problems, big problems. 

    https://search.brave.com/search?q=Mount+Morris+MI+crime+rate...

    Don't get wrapped up in the deal, get wrapped up in whether you'll survive and if the property will survive on this one.

    Since you're "Looking for Feedback on Underwriting", I'd say keep looking, even though they offer subject to (there's a BIG reason they are a don't wanter"

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