First LTR Under Contract — Getting Cold Feet Before Closing. Normal Nerves or Reasons

First LTR Under Contract — Getting Cold Feet Before Closing. Normal Nerves or Reasons

Member since 2025 · 53 posts · 37 votes

I’m currently under contract on my first LTR, and as I get closer to closing, I’m starting to get cold feet and would really appreciate some perspective from more experienced investors.

The property:

  • Brand-new 2026 construction
  • 4 bed / 2 bath SFH
  • 1,828 sq. ft.
  • Builder is offering a great interest rate + $20K toward closing costs
  • I’ve already put down $10K in earnest money
  • Planning to hold for approximately 5–7 years

I’m in the home stretch and basically just waiting to close. However, I’ve seriously started questioning whether I should move forward. Walking away would mean losing my $10K earnest money, so obviously I don’t take that lightly.

Here are the things making me nervous:

1. Future appreciation / new construction competition

Part of my investment thesis is that this area will continue to grow due to major tech, aerospace, and other employers expanding in the region.

However, I visited the property today (it’s about two hours from where I live), and what really stood out to me was the amount of vacant land owned by large builders with plans for additional new construction.

That concerns me because when I eventually sell in 5–10 years, I could potentially be competing against builders offering rate buydowns, closing-cost incentives, upgrades, etc. that individual sellers simply can’t compete with.

I’m wondering how much continued new construction could suppress appreciation or resale values in an area like this.

2. Tenant placement / vacancy

Another concern is how long it could realistically take to find a qualified tenant.

I’m expecting to close around mid-September, which puts me into what is generally considered a slower leasing season.

The numbers work reasonably well once the property is occupied, but I’m starting to run through worst-case scenarios in my head: What if it takes 3 months? 4 months? 6 months to find a tenant?

For those investing in similar markets, how much vacancy do you typically underwrite when purchasing a new LTR?

3. Limited immediate tax benefit

My MAGI is over $150K, so based on my understanding of the passive activity loss rules, I likely won’t be able to use rental losses to offset my W-2 income right now. Those suspended passive losses can potentially be used in future years, which is still valuable, but it removes one of the immediate benefits I initially associated with owning rental real estate.

That brings me back to appreciation. If I’m potentially dealing with negative/limited cash flow in the beginning, can’t immediately utilize the tax losses, and appreciation ends up being weaker than expected, I’m questioning whether the overall return justifies the risk.

4. And finally… maybe this is just first-investment anxiety?

This is probably the biggest thing I’m struggling to separate.

I’m naturally a worrier. I analyze everything, run worst-case scenarios, and question my decisions—especially when there’s a significant amount of money involved.

So I’m trying to figure out:

Are these legitimate red flags that should make me reconsider the deal, or is this the normal “what the heck am I doing?” feeling that comes with buying your first investment property?

For those who have been investing for a while: Did you experience this before your first rental? Were there deals you almost walked away from because of similar concerns?

I’d especially love to hear how you evaluate a deal when the biggest uncertainty is future appreciation + tenant demand + a large pipeline of new construction.

Any feedback, experiences, or things you think I should be analyzing before I make the final decision would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
2mo

Like All RE its meant for very long term holds to get the full benefit.

with new builds in a new community at least from me experience  a few rentals is OK but if they are all rentals or majority of rentals your values are always going to track what a investor will pay for a given rental return.  

Homeowners generally ( owner occ) will steer clear of these developments simply because ( if there is no HOA taking care of the front yards) rentals just do not present curb appeal the same way.. they will look run down in a few years..

But if your in for the long haul 10 years plus then I suspect this is just fine if rentals are what your looking to do. The money is made with your tenant paying off the house.. But keep in mind you cant just sell as you will have recapture and if the property does no go up a fair bit you could find your self brake even or even a loss if you want to exit before any real appreciation has happened.. by the time you add in sales cost and depreciation that is. or you will need to get on the 1031 hamster wheel. 

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  • MD/DC · Member since 2024 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2mo

    Full disclosure I am not a fan of new builds as investments in general and when they advertise specials it is even more sus. I don't think there are many new builds that are actually a good deal and I feel like they prey on novice investors who believe a new build means no maintenance and great tenants which is not accurate. There are concerns of ease of resale because your property is now used if they are still building and selling new. 

    That said it doesn't necessarily mean you can't still make this work. Is it a decent area now for a rental property?  If it is my guess is this is more about nerves. Reflect and attempt to discern if you are just anxious because this is a big purchase or if it really isn't a good area for rental properties now, not just what may happen years down the road. Also consider that you will now take a $10,000 hit if you walk. There is the sunk cost fallacy to consider for sure but starting over and purchasing another property with a $10,000 deficit doesn't sound appealing either. Best wishes with whatever you decide. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    2mo

    Like All RE its meant for very long term holds to get the full benefit.

    with new builds in a new community at least from me experience  a few rentals is OK but if they are all rentals or majority of rentals your values are always going to track what a investor will pay for a given rental return.  

    Homeowners generally ( owner occ) will steer clear of these developments simply because ( if there is no HOA taking care of the front yards) rentals just do not present curb appeal the same way.. they will look run down in a few years..

    But if your in for the long haul 10 years plus then I suspect this is just fine if rentals are what your looking to do. The money is made with your tenant paying off the house.. But keep in mind you cant just sell as you will have recapture and if the property does no go up a fair bit you could find your self brake even or even a loss if you want to exit before any real appreciation has happened.. by the time you add in sales cost and depreciation that is. or you will need to get on the 1031 hamster wheel. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Denver CO · Member since 2019 · 210 posts · 333 votes
    2mo

    Probably a little bit of both.  Come up with a plan for if things don't go according to plan.  Turn into primary?  Sell and take a loss? Improve the property (understand it's new build)?  If it's close still go through with the purchase. 

    Agree with others that new builds are catch 22.  It's a great property but by comparison they're building another newer/better property right next door.  Can't explain it either but most of my experience tracking new builds I tend to see a lot of turnover in the properties and the development while it's being stood up.  So you're buying into an unfinished development (schools, demographics, renters, etc...).  It honestly seems like the taxes are reassessed and then folks feel a squeeze and decide to sell. 

  • Patrick DruryBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH & Cleveland OH · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    2mo

    @Carissa Atendido

    2) Every property you buy will take a little time to stabilize/ get up and running. Even if it's turnkey, you still have to post change of ownership notices and let tenants know where to pay rent moving forward. Buying a property in the winter and eating a little more vacancy isn't ideal but in my opinion, that isn't a reason to walk away from the property. The problem can easily be solved by placing a tenant and putting them maybe on a longer lease and being mindful of the lease end dates so they can renew or move out in a time of year where you are in peak leasing season moving forward. 


  • Specialist · Long Beach, CA · Member since 2011 · 888 posts · 401 votes
    2mo

    You could consider doing a cost seg study in the first year of owning it. That will allow you to depreciate the property quite a bit

    • Carissa AtendidoPro Member
      OP
      Member since 2025 · 53 posts · 37 votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Aristotle Kumpis:

      You could consider doing a cost seg study in the first year of owning it. That will allow you to depreciate the property quite a bit


       Do you recommend this even if my MAGI is above $150K?

    • Dan H.Pro Member
      Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Aristotle Kumpis:

      You could consider doing a cost seg study in the first year of owning it. That will allow you to depreciate the property quite a bit

      You must have missed that she is high enough income that she cannot even write off the losses associated with standard depreciation. This implies she does not qualify for REP or qualify for the STR exemption. Accelerated depreciation would not benefit her and would have the costs associated with the cost segregation.

      @Carissa Atendido I have concerns.   Here are some of my thoughts:

      - you are concerned about the appreciation outlook.   This would lead me to have concerns about rent growth.

      - You refer to high income restricting writing off your passive losses against active income.   This implies you are expecting this property to show losses.  

      So if the return is not coming from appreciation or cash flow, what is the source of the return?   I think you need to be able to answer the question on the source of the return prior to purchase.   It will suck to lose $10k money but that will suck less than having the work and risk of residential RE with negative cash flow and little or no appreciation.  

      Note RE will not always be the best investment option.  I feel this is especially true of retail, rent ready purchase without a value add at market rate financing.

      Good luck

  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    2mo

    You don't mention what area the property is actually located, so any talk about appreciation is nothing but a wild guess.

    With new construction, I would be most concerned with the quality of the materials and workmanship of the build. It no doubt looks very good, but cheap material choices...cabinets, flooring, doors, choice of backsplash and tub surround materials, and other options will not hold up well under Good Tenants, let alone tenants that do not get screened properly, have lots of kids/teens (or all adults), and are not managed well. With new properties, often there are also defects that show up after some daily use, so you need to make sure the tenant is aware to report them, and you should plan on two, maybe three inspections over the first 18 months, followed by close annual inspections thereafter to monitor conditions.

    • Carissa AtendidoPro Member
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      Member since 2025 · 53 posts · 37 votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Richard F.:

      You don't mention what area the property is actually located, so any talk about appreciation is nothing but a wild guess.

      With new construction, I would be most concerned with the quality of the materials and workmanship of the build. It no doubt looks very good, but cheap material choices...cabinets, flooring, doors, choice of backsplash and tub surround materials, and other options will not hold up well under Good Tenants, let alone tenants that do not get screened properly, have lots of kids/teens (or all adults), and are not managed well. With new properties, often there are also defects that show up after some daily use, so you need to make sure the tenant is aware to report them, and you should plan on two, maybe three inspections over the first 18 months, followed by close annual inspections thereafter to monitor conditions.


       HI Richard, 

      Good points! This property is located in SW Palm Bay, FL (for those who arent familiar its close to Melbourne and about 50 mins away from the Kennedy Space Center - NASA, SpaceX).

      I was planning on just doing a 10 month inspection since the property is under builder warranty, but do you recommend doing one before closing as well and then another one on month 10 or 11 before my warranty expires? 

    • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Carissa Atendido:
      Quote from @Richard F.:

      You don't mention what area the property is actually located, so any talk about appreciation is nothing but a wild guess.

      With new construction, I would be most concerned with the quality of the materials and workmanship of the build. It no doubt looks very good, but cheap material choices...cabinets, flooring, doors, choice of backsplash and tub surround materials, and other options will not hold up well under Good Tenants, let alone tenants that do not get screened properly, have lots of kids/teens (or all adults), and are not managed well. With new properties, often there are also defects that show up after some daily use, so you need to make sure the tenant is aware to report them, and you should plan on two, maybe three inspections over the first 18 months, followed by close annual inspections thereafter to monitor conditions.


       HI Richard, 

      Good points! This property is located in SW Palm Bay, FL (for those who arent familiar its close to Melbourne and about 50 mins away from the Kennedy Space Center - NASA, SpaceX).

      I was planning on just doing a 10 month inspection since the property is under builder warranty, but do you recommend doing one before closing as well and then another one on month 10 or 11 before my warranty expires? 


      For new, I would definitely inspect sooner rather than later...you can't really trust a tenant to watch for small signs of Big problems. 
    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Richard F.:
      Quote from @Carissa Atendido:
      Quote from @Richard F.:

      You don't mention what area the property is actually located, so any talk about appreciation is nothing but a wild guess.

      With new construction, I would be most concerned with the quality of the materials and workmanship of the build. It no doubt looks very good, but cheap material choices...cabinets, flooring, doors, choice of backsplash and tub surround materials, and other options will not hold up well under Good Tenants, let alone tenants that do not get screened properly, have lots of kids/teens (or all adults), and are not managed well. With new properties, often there are also defects that show up after some daily use, so you need to make sure the tenant is aware to report them, and you should plan on two, maybe three inspections over the first 18 months, followed by close annual inspections thereafter to monitor conditions.


       HI Richard, 

      Good points! This property is located in SW Palm Bay, FL (for those who arent familiar its close to Melbourne and about 50 mins away from the Kennedy Space Center - NASA, SpaceX).

      I was planning on just doing a 10 month inspection since the property is under builder warranty, but do you recommend doing one before closing as well and then another one on month 10 or 11 before my warranty expires? 


      For new, I would definitely inspect sooner rather than later...you can't really trust a tenant to watch for small signs of Big problems. 

      If you click the link in my signature below you will see a 90 home subdivision I owned and built out in Oregon  price points 600 to 1 mil.. We encouraged or even made it mandatory that our buyers did a full home inspection prior to closing and gave us a punch list so I could have my subs come back and dial in the house for the new buyers of course these are all owner buyers not investors.. then at 1 year we do sheetrock pops and touch up and anything that we might have missed as a one year warranty then I also bought a 2 10 for the buyers.. This went a long way for us getting top dollar and having happy buyers.
    • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Richard F.:
      Quote from @Carissa Atendido:
      Quote from @Richard F.:

      You don't mention what area the property is actually located, so any talk about appreciation is nothing but a wild guess.

      With new construction, I would be most concerned with the quality of the materials and workmanship of the build. It no doubt looks very good, but cheap material choices...cabinets, flooring, doors, choice of backsplash and tub surround materials, and other options will not hold up well under Good Tenants, let alone tenants that do not get screened properly, have lots of kids/teens (or all adults), and are not managed well. With new properties, often there are also defects that show up after some daily use, so you need to make sure the tenant is aware to report them, and you should plan on two, maybe three inspections over the first 18 months, followed by close annual inspections thereafter to monitor conditions.


       HI Richard, 

      Good points! This property is located in SW Palm Bay, FL (for those who arent familiar its close to Melbourne and about 50 mins away from the Kennedy Space Center - NASA, SpaceX).

      I was planning on just doing a 10 month inspection since the property is under builder warranty, but do you recommend doing one before closing as well and then another one on month 10 or 11 before my warranty expires? 


      For new, I would definitely inspect sooner rather than later...you can't really trust a tenant to watch for small signs of Big problems. 

      If you click the link in my signature below you will see a 90 home subdivision I owned and built out in Oregon  price points 600 to 1 mil.. We encouraged or even made it mandatory that our buyers did a full home inspection prior to closing and gave us a punch list so I could have my subs come back and dial in the house for the new buyers of course these are all owner buyers not investors.. then at 1 year we do sheetrock pops and touch up and anything that we might have missed as a one year warranty then I also bought a 2 10 for the buyers.. This went a long way for us getting top dollar and having happy buyers.
      Well, it may have been pointed out previously, but all Contractors are not equal! I appreciate that a long time poster has been successful while doing things right! 

      Unfortunately, one of the last "new" units that I managed was a two bedroom condo in a 40 plus floor highrise that sold to the new owners for close to a cool million. It was purchased as an investment, so it still had that "new home" smell when I walked in. Mind you, this was a Union build. Paint was slopped on door hinges and several bathroom accessories, the water heater and the AC unit was in a utility closet that was unfinished on the inside, with exposed metal studs, and loose wires for thermostat and other wiring hanging on both sides. The fire suppression system had faulty sprayers, that started leaking before we even rented the unit. The shower door system was poorly designed and leaked badly when used normally. About a year later the builder was forced to go through the entire building and modify all of these door systems. The countertops were not sealed, nor were there any advisories to the buyers regarding the need, but it was clearly apparent after the first year that restoration and sealing was necessary, as an unplanned and ongoing, annual expense. There was no "routine" followup by the builder/developer once they handed over the keys. 

      To the point of my first post, lots of builders cheap out on cabinets and most other "finish" materials and products. Those just don't hold up under heavy tenant use, compared to higher (not extravagant) quality choices. Investors need to be able to discern the difference, and not be fooled by all the shiny-ness!
    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Richard F.:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Richard F.:
      Quote from @Carissa Atendido:
      Quote from @Richard F.:

      You don't mention what area the property is actually located, so any talk about appreciation is nothing but a wild guess.

      With new construction, I would be most concerned with the quality of the materials and workmanship of the build. It no doubt looks very good, but cheap material choices...cabinets, flooring, doors, choice of backsplash and tub surround materials, and other options will not hold up well under Good Tenants, let alone tenants that do not get screened properly, have lots of kids/teens (or all adults), and are not managed well. With new properties, often there are also defects that show up after some daily use, so you need to make sure the tenant is aware to report them, and you should plan on two, maybe three inspections over the first 18 months, followed by close annual inspections thereafter to monitor conditions.


       HI Richard, 

      Good points! This property is located in SW Palm Bay, FL (for those who arent familiar its close to Melbourne and about 50 mins away from the Kennedy Space Center - NASA, SpaceX).

      I was planning on just doing a 10 month inspection since the property is under builder warranty, but do you recommend doing one before closing as well and then another one on month 10 or 11 before my warranty expires? 


      For new, I would definitely inspect sooner rather than later...you can't really trust a tenant to watch for small signs of Big problems. 

      If you click the link in my signature below you will see a 90 home subdivision I owned and built out in Oregon  price points 600 to 1 mil.. We encouraged or even made it mandatory that our buyers did a full home inspection prior to closing and gave us a punch list so I could have my subs come back and dial in the house for the new buyers of course these are all owner buyers not investors.. then at 1 year we do sheetrock pops and touch up and anything that we might have missed as a one year warranty then I also bought a 2 10 for the buyers.. This went a long way for us getting top dollar and having happy buyers.
      Well, it may have been pointed out previously, but all Contractors are not equal! I appreciate that a long time poster has been successful while doing things right! 

      Unfortunately, one of the last "new" units that I managed was a two bedroom condo in a 40 plus floor highrise that sold to the new owners for close to a cool million. It was purchased as an investment, so it still had that "new home" smell when I walked in. Mind you, this was a Union build. Paint was slopped on door hinges and several bathroom accessories, the water heater and the AC unit was in a utility closet that was unfinished on the inside, with exposed metal studs, and loose wires for thermostat and other wiring hanging on both sides. The fire suppression system had faulty sprayers, that started leaking before we even rented the unit. The shower door system was poorly designed and leaked badly when used normally. About a year later the builder was forced to go through the entire building and modify all of these door systems. The countertops were not sealed, nor were there any advisories to the buyers regarding the need, but it was clearly apparent after the first year that restoration and sealing was necessary, as an unplanned and ongoing, annual expense. There was no "routine" followup by the builder/developer once they handed over the keys. 

      To the point of my first post, lots of builders cheap out on cabinets and most other "finish" materials and products. Those just don't hold up under heavy tenant use, compared to higher (not extravagant) quality choices. Investors need to be able to discern the difference, and not be fooled by all the shiny-ness!

      WE have good friends that live in Kahala neighborhood and have a few condos at Nauru tower . we have been staying there 1 ro 2 times a year for the last 20 years or so.. when we need to get out of the winter weather.  Anyway they are into RE and they had me go check out a foreclosure in one of the new high rises right behind them built part of all those being built by I think Hughes corp.. and when I walked through it same thing attention to detail was lacking for sure.  Nauru has kind of aged out as well. Just really in need of dated remodeling etc.. 
    • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Richard F.:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Richard F.:
      Quote from @Carissa Atendido:
      Quote from @Richard F.:

      You don't mention what area the property is actually located, so any talk about appreciation is nothing but a wild guess.

      With new construction, I would be most concerned with the quality of the materials and workmanship of the build. It no doubt looks very good, but cheap material choices...cabinets, flooring, doors, choice of backsplash and tub surround materials, and other options will not hold up well under Good Tenants, let alone tenants that do not get screened properly, have lots of kids/teens (or all adults), and are not managed well. With new properties, often there are also defects that show up after some daily use, so you need to make sure the tenant is aware to report them, and you should plan on two, maybe three inspections over the first 18 months, followed by close annual inspections thereafter to monitor conditions.


       HI Richard, 

      Good points! This property is located in SW Palm Bay, FL (for those who arent familiar its close to Melbourne and about 50 mins away from the Kennedy Space Center - NASA, SpaceX).

      I was planning on just doing a 10 month inspection since the property is under builder warranty, but do you recommend doing one before closing as well and then another one on month 10 or 11 before my warranty expires? 


      For new, I would definitely inspect sooner rather than later...you can't really trust a tenant to watch for small signs of Big problems. 

      If you click the link in my signature below you will see a 90 home subdivision I owned and built out in Oregon  price points 600 to 1 mil.. We encouraged or even made it mandatory that our buyers did a full home inspection prior to closing and gave us a punch list so I could have my subs come back and dial in the house for the new buyers of course these are all owner buyers not investors.. then at 1 year we do sheetrock pops and touch up and anything that we might have missed as a one year warranty then I also bought a 2 10 for the buyers.. This went a long way for us getting top dollar and having happy buyers.
      Well, it may have been pointed out previously, but all Contractors are not equal! I appreciate that a long time poster has been successful while doing things right! 

      Unfortunately, one of the last "new" units that I managed was a two bedroom condo in a 40 plus floor highrise that sold to the new owners for close to a cool million. It was purchased as an investment, so it still had that "new home" smell when I walked in. Mind you, this was a Union build. Paint was slopped on door hinges and several bathroom accessories, the water heater and the AC unit was in a utility closet that was unfinished on the inside, with exposed metal studs, and loose wires for thermostat and other wiring hanging on both sides. The fire suppression system had faulty sprayers, that started leaking before we even rented the unit. The shower door system was poorly designed and leaked badly when used normally. About a year later the builder was forced to go through the entire building and modify all of these door systems. The countertops were not sealed, nor were there any advisories to the buyers regarding the need, but it was clearly apparent after the first year that restoration and sealing was necessary, as an unplanned and ongoing, annual expense. There was no "routine" followup by the builder/developer once they handed over the keys. 

      To the point of my first post, lots of builders cheap out on cabinets and most other "finish" materials and products. Those just don't hold up under heavy tenant use, compared to higher (not extravagant) quality choices. Investors need to be able to discern the difference, and not be fooled by all the shiny-ness!

      WE have good friends that live in Kahala neighborhood and have a few condos at Nauru tower . we have been staying there 1 ro 2 times a year for the last 20 years or so.. when we need to get out of the winter weather.  Anyway they are into RE and they had me go check out a foreclosure in one of the new high rises right behind them built part of all those being built by I think Hughes corp.. and when I walked through it same thing attention to detail was lacking for sure.  Nauru has kind of aged out as well. Just really in need of dated remodeling etc.. 
      Hey, this is a small island! I managed two units in the Nauru tower several years back. The condo I mention above was in the Moana Pacific. They are quite a bit newer, built 2007. 

      Be very cautious buying condos here, there are some serious issues with a lot of the AOAO's, old OR new...
    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Richard F.:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Richard F.:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Richard F.:
      Quote from @Carissa Atendido:
      Quote from @Richard F.:

      You don't mention what area the property is actually located, so any talk about appreciation is nothing but a wild guess.

      With new construction, I would be most concerned with the quality of the materials and workmanship of the build. It no doubt looks very good, but cheap material choices...cabinets, flooring, doors, choice of backsplash and tub surround materials, and other options will not hold up well under Good Tenants, let alone tenants that do not get screened properly, have lots of kids/teens (or all adults), and are not managed well. With new properties, often there are also defects that show up after some daily use, so you need to make sure the tenant is aware to report them, and you should plan on two, maybe three inspections over the first 18 months, followed by close annual inspections thereafter to monitor conditions.


       HI Richard, 

      Good points! This property is located in SW Palm Bay, FL (for those who arent familiar its close to Melbourne and about 50 mins away from the Kennedy Space Center - NASA, SpaceX).

      I was planning on just doing a 10 month inspection since the property is under builder warranty, but do you recommend doing one before closing as well and then another one on month 10 or 11 before my warranty expires? 


      For new, I would definitely inspect sooner rather than later...you can't really trust a tenant to watch for small signs of Big problems. 

      If you click the link in my signature below you will see a 90 home subdivision I owned and built out in Oregon  price points 600 to 1 mil.. We encouraged or even made it mandatory that our buyers did a full home inspection prior to closing and gave us a punch list so I could have my subs come back and dial in the house for the new buyers of course these are all owner buyers not investors.. then at 1 year we do sheetrock pops and touch up and anything that we might have missed as a one year warranty then I also bought a 2 10 for the buyers.. This went a long way for us getting top dollar and having happy buyers.
      Well, it may have been pointed out previously, but all Contractors are not equal! I appreciate that a long time poster has been successful while doing things right! 

      Unfortunately, one of the last "new" units that I managed was a two bedroom condo in a 40 plus floor highrise that sold to the new owners for close to a cool million. It was purchased as an investment, so it still had that "new home" smell when I walked in. Mind you, this was a Union build. Paint was slopped on door hinges and several bathroom accessories, the water heater and the AC unit was in a utility closet that was unfinished on the inside, with exposed metal studs, and loose wires for thermostat and other wiring hanging on both sides. The fire suppression system had faulty sprayers, that started leaking before we even rented the unit. The shower door system was poorly designed and leaked badly when used normally. About a year later the builder was forced to go through the entire building and modify all of these door systems. The countertops were not sealed, nor were there any advisories to the buyers regarding the need, but it was clearly apparent after the first year that restoration and sealing was necessary, as an unplanned and ongoing, annual expense. There was no "routine" followup by the builder/developer once they handed over the keys. 

      To the point of my first post, lots of builders cheap out on cabinets and most other "finish" materials and products. Those just don't hold up under heavy tenant use, compared to higher (not extravagant) quality choices. Investors need to be able to discern the difference, and not be fooled by all the shiny-ness!

      WE have good friends that live in Kahala neighborhood and have a few condos at Nauru tower . we have been staying there 1 ro 2 times a year for the last 20 years or so.. when we need to get out of the winter weather.  Anyway they are into RE and they had me go check out a foreclosure in one of the new high rises right behind them built part of all those being built by I think Hughes corp.. and when I walked through it same thing attention to detail was lacking for sure.  Nauru has kind of aged out as well. Just really in need of dated remodeling etc.. 
      Hey, this is a small island! I managed two units in the Nauru tower several years back. The condo I mention above was in the Moana Pacific. They are quite a bit newer, built 2007. 

      Be very cautious buying condos here, there are some serious issues with a lot of the AOAO's, old OR new...

      I have no interest in buying one when I can use one for free :)  And hang out at Wialia CC which has an awesome beach and a little golf  !!  then go home.
  • Realtor · Melbourne, FL · Member since 2021 · 111 posts · 51 votes
    2mo

    Hey Carissa, I am a local realtor here and I have the following brief answers to some of your questions: 

    1. Future appreciation / new construction competition-  VALID. Palm Bay is building like crazy and Lennar just approved another massive community in west Palm Bay with full build out in the next 12 years. There is no shortage of inventory of new homes over there.

    2. Tenant placement / vacancy-  Realistically it shouldn't take very long (1-2 months max) as long as you are priced right. Have you looked at other rental competition in the new-er home space? I think the rental demand is definitely there but don't overprice. 

    3. Limited immediate tax benefit- So yes I think the massive supply is going to increase inventory and keep downward pressure on prices for re-sales for the forseeable future. While you are correct about all the growth this area is seeing, the supply of homes I think is keeping prices down and will continue to do so in Palm Bay especially. But no one knows the future... I did a video on all of these communites recently that I think you'd really like

    4. And finally… maybe this is just first-investment anxiety? - yes totally normal and your concerns are all super valid. I don't think you're ever going to make it huge with a LTR in Palm Bay but I also don't think the downside risk is big either. People love newer homes, people are moving to the area so I don't see a scenerio in which you absolutely get crushed and regret the decision.

    Hope this helps! Good luck and you got this!

  • Investor · Pacific Northwest · Member since 2026 · 538 posts · 313 votes
    2mo

    I think your anxiety is pointing at the right issue, but I’d frame it differently.

    The question isn’t whether this is a “good house.”

    It’s whether you’re buying an investment that works without needing appreciation to rescue the return.

    You mentioned that the numbers work reasonably well once occupied, but then listed three things that all make the economics weaker:

    possible lease-up delay

    limited/negative initial cash flow

    and uncertain appreciation because builders may continue adding competing inventory

    That tells me appreciation may be doing more work in the investment thesis than you originally realized.

    I’d take appreciation completely out of the model for a minute.

    Assume the house is worth exactly what you paid five years from now.

    Then model:

    3 months of initial vacancy

    market-rate property management even if you plan to self-manage

    normal ongoing vacancy

    repairs and maintenance despite it being new

    turnover costs

    insurance and tax increases

    leasing costs

    HOA if applicable

    and eventual selling costs

    What return does your actual invested cash produce under that scenario?

    If you still like the investment, then appreciation becomes upside.

    If the deal suddenly looks bad, you’ve identified what you’re actually betting on.

    The builder competition is a legitimate concern too.

    If there is a large amount of entitled land and builders can keep delivering essentially interchangeable 4/2 houses, your resale competition isn’t just existing homeowners.

    It’s a professionally financed seller that can offer rate buydowns, closing credits, warranties and upgrades.

    That doesn’t mean the area can’t appreciate. Strong population and employment growth can absorb a lot of new supply.

    But I’d want to know whether household formation is outrunning deliveries rather than simply saying “major employers are coming.”

    I’d look at the rental side the same way.

    Don’t ask generally whether September is a bad leasing month.

    Figure out how many comparable 4-bedroom rentals are available within the actual renter search radius, what they’re asking, how long they’ve been listed, whether rents are being reduced, and how many competing new homes will become rentals.

    Your property being brand new is useful only if tenants are willing to pay enough for that advantage.

    And I would mentally separate the $10K earnest money from the decision.

    It matters financially, but it is already at risk.

    The decision today is not:

    “Do I want to lose $10K?”

    It is:

    “If I did not already have $10K committed, would I invest the remaining amount required to own this property today?”

    If the answer is no, losing $10K can be cheaper than spending much more money defending the original decision.

    If the answer is yes after you remove appreciation, stress vacancy, and account for the competing supply, then this may simply be normal first-deal anxiety.

    But I would want the investment to survive those tests before calling it nerves.

  • Property Manager · Melbourne, FL · Member since 2019 · 468 posts · 173 votes
    2mo

    The earnest money is already spent. It should not decide whether the rest of the investment makes sense. Underwrite six months of vacancy, no appreciation, conservative maintenance, and resale competition from builders. If the deal still works, close. If it only works because the market saves you later, losing $10,000 may be the cheaper decision.

  • Investor · Pacific Northwest · Member since 2026 · 538 posts · 313 votes
    2mo

    I think some of this is normal first-deal anxiety, but I also think you’ve identified a few real underwriting questions that deserve answers before you tell yourself you’re “just nervous.” I wouldn’t try to decide which feeling it is. I’d make the property prove that the concerns are survivable.

    The first thing I’d mentally remove from the decision is the $10,000 earnest money. I know that sounds painful, but if it is truly nonrefundable at this point, it is already gone for decision-making purposes. The choice today is not between losing $10,000 and buying the house. The choice is between losing $10,000 and taking on the entire remaining investment. You don’t spend another few hundred thousand dollars to rescue the first $10,000.

    The new-construction concern is legitimate. If builders control a large amount of surrounding land and can keep delivering comparable houses, your eventual resale competition may not be another homeowner with a similar house. It may be a builder offering a brand-new version of your house with a rate buydown, closing-cost credit, warranty, and choice of finishes. That doesn’t mean the area won’t appreciate, but I would be very reluctant to make appreciation an important part of the return thesis until I understood how many additional units can realistically be delivered and over what period.

    There’s another wrinkle with the builder incentive you’re receiving today. The great rate and $20,000 toward closing are real economic value to you, but they may also be evidence that the builder currently needs incentives to clear inventory without cutting the headline price. That matters when you’re looking at comparable sales later. A neighborhood can appear to be holding prices while builders are quietly giving buyers $30,000 of economic value around the edges. I’d want to understand the effective price of the competing product, not just the recorded sale price.

    I’d treat the rental question the same way. Don’t ask whether it might take six months to lease and then scare yourself with the answer. Find out what the evidence says. How many comparable 4/2 single-family rentals are available right now? What are they asking? How long have they been listed? How many similar houses are sitting in the same subdivision? Are builders also selling to investors who will become your rental competition? If fifteen nearly identical houses are all chasing the same tenant, that matters considerably more than somebody telling you September is a “slow season.”

    Then I'd underwrite the ugly version of the first year. Give yourself a few months of vacancy, a rent below the number you hope to get, leasing costs if applicable, management even if you initially self-manage, maintenance, and a real reserve. It's brand-new construction, which reduces some near-term repair uncertainty, but it doesn't eliminate vacancy, tenant damage, landscaping, appliances, HOA costs if applicable, insurance changes, or the possibility that your rent assumption was optimistic.

    If that ugly version is unpleasant but financially harmless, you probably have nerves. If the ugly version creates a liquidity problem, requires appreciation to bail you out, or makes you uncomfortable enough that you would be forced to sell into a bad market, then you’ve identified something more important than nerves.

    On the tax side, your understanding is basically right. If your MAGI is $150,000 or more, the special allowance that can otherwise permit some actively managed rental losses to offset nonpassive income is generally phased out.

    That does not necessarily mean the losses disappear; passive losses can carry forward and may become useful against passive income later or under the applicable disposition rules. But I absolutely would not count a tax deduction you can’t currently use as part of the economics that makes the acquisition acceptable. (IRS)

    The question I’d keep coming back to is whether you would buy this property if I removed appreciation from the spreadsheet for the first five years.

    Not because appreciation will actually be zero. Nobody knows that.

    But if the answer becomes “no” once appreciation disappears, then what you’re primarily buying is a forecast about this location. That is a very different investment from buying a rental whose operations already justify the capital.

    I’d also compare it with the simplest alternative available to you. You are about to put some amount of cash into this house and accept five to seven years of concentration, tenant risk, transaction costs, and illiquidity. What return does the property reasonably need to produce to justify doing that instead of keeping the money liquid or investing it elsewhere? “The numbers work reasonably well once occupied” would not be enough for me. I’d want to know what return I am actually being paid for taking these particular risks.

    And I wouldn’t assume that walking away means you failed your first investment. Losing $10,000 because your diligence changed your opinion would hurt, but it would still be a controlled loss. Closing on a property you no longer believe in because you already spent $10,000 is how a controlled loss occasionally turns into a very expensive lesson.

    On the other hand, if you verify tenant demand, can comfortably survive a slow lease-up, the property produces an acceptable return without requiring much appreciation, and the builder pipeline doesn’t materially change your thesis, then I wouldn’t let the fact that you suddenly feel terrified decide the deal either.

    Being scared before your first closing is normal.

    Needing everything to go right after your first closing is not.

    That’s probably the distinction I’d try to prove before settlement.

  • Ashish AcharyaBusiness Member
    CPA, CFP®, PFS · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2017 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    2mo

    If your MAGI is over $150K and you don’t otherwise qualify for an exception, you’re right to be cautious about assuming the rental losses will immediately offset W-2 income.

    Those passive losses generally carry forward rather than disappear, so the question is really when and how they become usable. Future passive income can absorb them, and a fully taxable disposition of the entire activity can also release suspended passive losses, subject to the specific facts and tax rules.

    Given a planned 5–7 year hold, I’d still evaluate cost segregation on the new construction, but only after modeling whether the accelerated losses actually help you. A brand-new property gives you a clean depreciable basis with no prior depreciation history, which can make the analysis straightforward. But if all the additional depreciation simply creates a larger suspended-loss balance, the timing of the benefit matters.

    I’d also have the eventual exit modeled now. More accelerated depreciation generally means a lower adjusted basis later, which can increase taxable gain and depreciation recapture when you sell. That does not automatically make cost seg a bad strategy, but it does mean the current deduction and future exit tax should be analyzed together rather than looking only at the year-one deduction.

    For the deal itself, I’d underwrite a conservative vacancy period, realistic reserves, and a scenario where rent growth and appreciation are weaker than expected. If the property still makes sense without needing appreciation or immediate tax savings to rescue the return, that is a much stronger investment thesis.

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  • Stuart UdisPro Member
    Attorney · Philadelphia · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    2mo

    I would describe this as misplaced priorities and losing sight of the fundamentals. From your earliest posts, you seemed distracted by matters outside the real estate itself, such as entity structuring, asset protection and still appear to be emphasizing tax benefits. Did this take your attention away from properly analyzing the underlying investment?

    How well do you know this particular market? Is there existing housing stock selling at comparable prices, or are the only comparable sales other new builds within this development or others nearby? Are these homes primarily being purchased by owner occupants, or are most of the buyers investors who intend to rent them? Buying in a development consisting largely of investor owned rentals is generally ill advised and could negatively resale demand, and future appreciation.

    Also, keep in mind that many builders intentionally gross up their sale prices and then offer financing incentives or concessions to reduce buyers’ monthly payments. They know most buyers are more focused on the "perceived deal" they are getting and their monthly cost than the stated purchase price. This has become particularly prevalent in the higher interest rate environment.

    Make sure you are not relying on artificially inflated comparable sales and falling victim to the same sales strategy and really understand the fundamentals behind the location and purchase.

  • Adam BartomeoBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2mo

    You are over analyzing...

  • J CastroBusiness Member
    Lender · Florida · Member since 2025 · 755 posts · 265 votes
    2mo

    First, congratulations on getting your first LTR under contract!

    I think the fact that you’re getting nervous and asking these questions is actually a good thing. You’re not blindly moving forward—you’re stress-testing the investment before committing.

    One thing I would focus heavily on is whether the deal works without depending on future appreciation. Underwrite it with conservative vacancy, realistic operating expenses, maintenance/capex reserves, and a higher-than-expected period of vacancy. Then ask yourself: If appreciation is flat for the next 5–7 years, am I still comfortable owning this property?

    The new construction pipeline is definitely something to analyze. Look at how many competing units are actually coming online, what builders are currently offering, and whether your property has something that differentiates it when you eventually sell or lease it.

    I’d also be careful about letting the $10K earnest money drive the decision. The question shouldn’t be, “Do I want to lose $10K?” It should be, “Knowing everything I know today, would I still invest the remaining capital into this deal?”

    And yes—first-deal anxiety is very real. 

    Do your due diligence, run the numbers conservatively, and make the decision based on the investment fundamentals rather than emotion. If the deal still makes sense after you beat it up on paper, you may simply be experiencing the normal discomfort that comes with making your first big investment.

    Good luck—you’re asking the right questions. 

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  • Member since 2025 · 12 posts · 7 votes
    2mo
    5-7 year hold and you should be good on the appreciation side. Another option is to invest as a passive investor and learn how larger companies do it (and you can be 100% hands off). You do lose control as a passive investor, but lots of deals out there to still make money and have an operator force appreciation and make you money! If you are set on owning your own RE, buy in a good area that is in a growth trajectory of a market and hold it until you are comfortable enough with your returns. Best of luck!!
    • Carissa AtendidoPro Member
      OP
      Member since 2025 · 53 posts · 37 votes
      2mo

      Hi Zane,

      The one thing that worries me related to appreciation is the face that major builders like DR Horton, Moronda, Lennar, KB Homes have bought plots of land in the area ready to build. While I look at this as a positive because builders wont build just to build for their houses to sit empty if the growth projections haven't been assumed. But on the other side of the coin, continuous new builds over the course of 10 years could really soften the housing market and negatively affect appreciation rates of resale homes. I'm in this deal because I know Palm Bay, FL is and will be growing for a fact, but I'm concerned if the population growth won't keep up with the new houses being built in turn hurting my property when i try to sell it down the line or even try to rent (people like newer homes).

      As for the passive investing option -- I actually participated in 3 syndication deals as an LP in 2021 + 2022 and invested A LOT of money which has been tied up all these years giving me no yield. they were just bad deals unfortunately. One syndication went belly up and I lots over $75K just like that. poof

      So, hence my hesitation on just jumping on a deal again - i want to make sure that this will work out this time. But im plugging in all these scenarios in Claude and these numbers are scaring me. I'm starting to wonder if there are any positive cash flowing deals these days without having to rehab properties or buying it wholesale.

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    2mo

    OP look at these questions.

    1- why this development versus the others. Location location. New School system? Easy access to interstate or buried? Close to shopping, grocery or entertainment compared to others? Etc etc.

    2- within this development why this lot? Is it a bad lot at a T intersection or noisy entrance? Is it a larger quieter lot on a cul desac? Is it closed to a park or clubhouse? Etc etc.

    3- another play. Lose or trade the deposit. Buy a demo home at reduced rate or a Great empty lot to hold. People are like cows they follow the herd. As a development fills the FOMO. You will be holding one of the best lots.

    4- calculate failure. What is that cost versus you not starting to learn REI strategies? My first deal my cost of failure would have been about $50,000. Decided to move forward versus just relying on a salary job.

    5- what is great about a new house is very little repairs. Can do warranties. Have someone do an efficiency test or use a heat sensor in the inside of the house for leaks. Foundation issues and settling would be my major hidden concerns. If two story look at the upper walls for hairline cracks. Open all of those doors and windows for jams. Check or ask about house next door.

    6- ask a neighbor to walk thru their house of the same design and builder.

    The rest is just number crunching.

    Lock your interest rate for as long as possible. If inflation continues to go up you will make more money in your debt than the property.

    Start small and Make Your Big Mistakes Early.

  • Dan HandfordPro Member
    Investor · Lexington, SC · Member since 2018 · 779 posts · 501 votes
    1mo

    Carissa, the useful question is not whether the anxiety is normal, but whether the deal survives the scenarios creating the anxiety. I would re-run the property with no appreciation, a slower initial lease-up, one full turnover, higher insurance and taxes, and a meaningful reserve for the first several years. Then compare that return with keeping the capital liquid. The builder incentives should be included in your basis, but they should not substitute for durable tenant demand. If the deal still meets your minimum return without tax benefits or appreciation, the nerves may simply be the cost of making a first decision. Which assumption changes the result fastest: achieved rent, months vacant, or eventual resale price?

    • Carissa AtendidoPro Member
      OP
      Member since 2025 · 53 posts · 37 votes
      1mo

      I honestly dont know if any deal is even worth pursuing these days.

      I ran the numbers (with the help of Ai to do all the math for me) and the deal looks terrible. But if I were to do this for honestly ANY deal, I would get the same crappy outcome. So now my question is - is REI even worth it or does it only make sense if you find an offmarket deal that's deeply discounted or if the market crashes like 2008. I'm even more confused now than ever and I know lots of people here are saying dont make my decision based on whether I will $10K, but to look at it from a worse case scenario perspective and if it still holds, then its a sound deal and if it isnt - losing $10K could actually be the better decision.

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